2013-P Perry’s Victory Five Ounce Silver Coin Sold Out

p-victoryThe 2013-P Perry’s Victory & International Peace Memorial Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coin has sold out at the United States Mint. This represents the third sell out of the year for the numismatic series, leaving only two designs still available for sale.

The first sell out had occurred for the White Mountain National Park design in mid-October. This was followed by the sell out for the Great Basin design just last week.

The Perry’s Victory design originally went on sale June 6, 2013, priced at $179.95 with a stated maximum mintage of 25,000 pieces. The price was later reduced to $154.95, following the lower market price of silver.

The most recent sales report published last week shows sales of the Perry’s Victory design at 17,632. The preliminary data for this week, which can sometimes be adjusted, shows sales of 17,934.

Similar to the prior two sell outs, the last reported sales are well below the maximum mintage level of 25,000 pieces and the product had only been available for a matter of months.

Collector attention will now be focused on the last two available designs of the series featuring Fort McHenry and Mount Rushmore. Preliminary data for this week shows sales at 19,133 and 19,449 pieces, respectively.

United States Mint Black Friday & Cyber Week Savings

A banner placed at the top of the United States Mint’s online product catalog is promoting an upcoming savings opportunity for collectors.

The banner states: “Our first ever Black Friday & Cyber Week Savings coming soon!”

Specific details of the savings have not been provided, which has led some readers to speculate within comments of the previous post. While it would be great to see some product price reductions, I think that the savings will be more limited. My guess for the upcoming promotion would be that the US Mint adds a “Last Opportunity” section  to their website and offers free shipping.

In prior years, the US Mint has held a “Last Chance Sale” later referred to as “Last Opportunity”. These promotions involved adding a special section to the website with older products which would conclude sales at specified dates leading into the end of the year. These have never actually been “sales” in that product prices were not reduced from previous levels.

During the summer months, the US Mint did offer free shipping for domestic web orders.

A potential clue about the savings can be found in the code used to place the banner on the US Mint’s website. To see this you can right click and “View Image Info” or use “View Page Source”. The alternative text or “alt text” for the banner image is “Free Shipping”.


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  1. VARich says

    I think the key word here is “Savings” which doesn’t imply a product “sale” – free shipping would be nice and perhaps discounts on some past clad offerings from ’11 or ’12. Maybe well the Making American History set reintroduced and offered for further discount – just kidding.

  2. Dustyroads says

    The US Mint seems to have predicted sales fairly well, but they may have underestimated demand slightly. I wonder if anyone wants to predict demand for next year?

  3. VARich says

    Dusty – if silver continues to trade in the $19-22 price range and given the stellar ’14 AtB designs, I for one won’t be delaying first day of sale purchases. If Gattlinburg mintage isn’t increased over the ’13 mintages.., it’ll smoke the current sales period we’re seeing, just say’n.

  4. Jon in CT says

    Except for gold and platinum products on a pricing grid, the Mint can’t alter product prices without first publishing the change(s) in the Federal Register,

  5. VARich says

    Jon – I’ve wondered in the past if the requirement to post a FR notice just applies to silver products or for all non-pricing grid offerings.., do we have a ruling out here? Anyone know?

    And if it does apply TO ALL non-grid products, guess we’ll have our answer by COB Thursday.

  6. KEITHSTER says

    Yup put off both this one and the WM both because of all the reports of bad coins being received remember those? Ended up missing the WM.thought I had it but got the old NLA. on my order man I don’t like that ! The only one I’ve missed so far good thing they made a few extra. And lucky me got 2 of the Perry’s to be delivered tomorrow:) Had ordered them the first time they backordered a month or two ago thought they wre making more and would have a shot at a clean one. but had to cancell because the WP’s were shpping and didn’t want to mess that up! So I think they must have made a second pressing of around 4000 and also believe in the first in storage last out to ship so these Perry’s should be lookin good also have the others comming same day from a day after order so they should be gone soon:) :> Good luck to you all & Happy Holidays

  7. Brad says

    Gold was back above $1,250 today. I sure hope it slips again in time for the Wednesday pm fix so we can have the price decrease. With the fixes thus far, it appears extremely likely that the average this week will be below $1,250. I can save a total of $100 on my Edith Roosevelt and Helen Taft coins if the decrease isn’t blocked by that @#$* Wednesday pm rule!

  8. fmtransmitter says

    Cool Jon in CT. I knew it was just a matter of time until these pucks popped at this price. I understand before when they were well over $200 but this is BUY time fellow collectors. Stack while you can!

  9. fmtransmitter says

    As far I can find, NO OTHER MINT sells 5 oz pucks near this price! Still have that Fortuna Redux on my radar one day though!

  10. stephen m says

    I too think the lower price of silver is greatly helping move the 5 oz’ers from the mint. Along with lower prices it appears that a rekindled interest in them has come alive. Glad to see it.

  11. Dustyroads says

    fm~I checked this out earlier when they where just being produced and really wanted to have one, but decided not to because they where foreign, beautiful coin though!
    Steve~Whats up with that?

  12. Eddie says

    fm-That is one of my favorite coins. Just haven’t been able to afford it yet also I can’t see paying 5-6 hundred dollars for one.

  13. fmtransmitter says

    Well, I just received my S Mint rolls of Rushmore Quarters from Mr. Chuck Taylor himself! Wow, what a nice package. I have two VERY nice SILVER embossed programs from the launch ceremony, signed and cancel stamped from that day, I have 2 flyers from the ceremony going over the days event schedule and both rolls, one heads, one tails, have a D. C. Nov. 4th cancel stamp AND the Chuck Taylor designed stamp used for rolls at the launch AND BOTH zip codes from South Dakota with cancel stamps from the day of the launch. Whew…

  14. fmtransmitter says

    These will go great with the rest of my Rushmore silver. Thanks Chuck! He really went out the way to get these for me. They have the Union Station cancel stamp in D.C. from Nov.4th. If these don’t qualify for FR ER, I don’t know what does except one from the pocket of a Mint worker!!

  15. Louis says

    Steve- $1795 is insane. I got 2 excellent ones that are probably just as nice. Maybe time to grade them. Are the pop #’s running low? I can’t understand why someone would pay 2 grand for a $130 coin.

  16. fmtransmitter says

    I don’t see where that puck said it actually SOLD for that. Says ended. Correct me if I am wrong please..

  17. fmtransmitter says

    Thanks Charles…Could be a fluke or a flute playing the Sound of Money in the future…Who knows…lol

  18. gary says

    FM – Thanks so much for posting the YouTube link on the making of the Fortuna Redux. When I had first seen this item I dismissed it as being a mere snuffbox & not a coin at all. When I read more about the making of this innovative coin I just had to spring for one and I am so glad that I did. It is a really stunning, and beautiful work of art!

  19. gary says

    If ANYONE really paid $1795 for a bullion Ft McHenry 5 oz., they need to get their head examined ASAP. I don’t care if it graded DIMPLE or PIMPLE, it ain’t worth 18X bullion value!!!

  20. thePhelps says

    While I agree that $1795 for that coin was way high to me… it appears someone is taking the broad view of the series.

    If the images keep improving like they do into next year – this series will have a massive number of coins overall – but each year might have limited mintage levels per coin. The further we move away from each years mintage totals – the harder it is going to be to get high grade coins – in either version. Even with bullion coins included – each coin has a total of 50,000 to 55,000 coins this year and for most series of coins that is exceptionally low mintages.

    IMO this series will grow in popularity as the images improve. Unlike other current mint series that are fading as they add another year of coins – the last 2 of this year and the 5 planned for next appear to be drawing more interest.

  21. VARich says

    3 of them have sold ranging from $1375 to $1795.., the seller has bagged over $4500 on $450 investment (or there a bouts)

  22. VARich says

    Fancy label + Excessive discretionary income = $1,500 for a $154 puck…

    …money better off going to a charity.

  23. says

    If you do a search on ebay “2013 Mchenry 5 oz pcgs” and then on the left side click on show only “sold listings” you will see completed sells for PCGS DMPL in the past week for $1795, 1675, 1455, 1366, 1329, 1324, 1375, 1475 and $1258.

    I also think these prices are crazy, but I was just trying to point out that the PCGS bullion McHenry coins are selling for way more than the other 2013’s.

    For example, on APMEX’s web-site they currently do not have any McHenry PCGS 69DMPL, but list a PCGS 69PL for $818 and a PCGS MS69 for $612.

    Conversely, they list the White Mountain PCGS 69DMPL for only $195.

    Also, they list a COMPLETE SET of 2011 PCGS MS69DMPL for $977, so McHenry must have a low PCGS population in high grades.

    @thePhelps, yes I agree…the “collector version in SP70 grade has been consistently selling for less than $200.

  24. thePhelps says

    Steve – I went back and looked and I have to admit I am kind of flabberghasted… (ok that doesn’t take a lot).

    The bullion coins are consistently drawing that much of a premium for a less quality coin? I mean I see a buy it now for $1300 MS69 DMPL… and then I see MCM and APMEX selling 10 for nearly the same price… and you can buy a SP70 of the same coin for $200…

    What people collect is often baffling to me…

  25. fmtransmitter says

    I can see a collector wanting to collect bullion graded high simply because they were not meant to be graded at all but mere bullion. Just like a high grade penny that sells for thousands. There are collectors of coins not minted to be a collector coin.

  26. fmtransmitter says

    @gary, glad you own one of the redux. Stunning example of where this hobby can go! Innovative to say the least!

  27. Sith says

    I will have to check my Henry’s at those prices it maybe worth it to get mine graded…assuming I have a DMPL, but based on price I doubt it.

  28. Eddie says

    This is the 1st yr. I was able to buy all of the coins from a single year and it was mainly because of the price of the coins. If they lower or keep the prices the same I should be able to collect all 5 in 2014 and beyond. It just depends on the price. BTW I only but the P Mint 5ozers

    Next year my goal is to buy one of the Fortuna Redux. You have to ask yourself why our Mint can’t come up with such a fantastic looking coin?
    I also want a 5ozer of Hot Springs in the OGP.

  29. Brad says

    Man, I hope we get our gold coin price decrease tomorrow! The average is most certain to be below $1,250, since the am fix tomorrow would have to be $1,300.50 or higher to skew it. But, the pm fix only has to be at $1,250 or above to override the average, and at the time of this writing the spot price is at $1,247. That pm rule almost always works against us.

  30. Ikaika says

    My thoughts on the high priced 2013 Mchenry 5 oz ATB in ms69DMPL and PL grade is the supply. I do not believe the quality of these bullion version has fallen. The ungraded one that I purchased from a dealer looks pretty DMPL to me. Once the market is flooded by them prices will drop significantly. My question is:
    Does anyone have the population report from PCGS or NGC for the ones that were graded? Maybe the dealers are not sending many for TPG because the previous ones aren’t selling much or they aren’t making much profit from them. IMHO.

  31. Dustyroads says

    What this means is that if you want to have a chance at finding a higher grade ATB bullion, you better buy these where they haven’t been sorted already. Hopefully, Mint Direct from Apmex or other type of packaging from another AP can at least give someone the possibility of scoring a diamond in the rough.

  32. Samuel says

    the reason i did not buy expensive coins this year is, you put an Unc AGE in the stock market, it will come out as an UHR at the year end.

  33. simon says

    Dusty : The second tier dealer/sellers sort these without a doubt. However, I do have my doubts that the “low pops” claimed by PCGS will hold in the long term. The Mint strikes these coins in very well established (repeatable) process which keeps within well established parameters (e.g. striking force, duration, temperature, lubricant viscosity, etc) ; particularly so when it comes to retiring dies. Unless some dealer purchases most or all of the bullion and chooses to stash it without TPG interference, there should be an equivalent number of DMPLs, PLs, and plain old slugs. These will show up eventually in the market. So the 1.7k+ price has a considerable amount of hype built in. Also keep in mind that PCGS has a very bad habit of taking coins minted in the mega-millions and hyping the value of the handful which they grade – for example a MS66 Lincoln cent dated 2010 is valued at $300 – 800. I can’t tell you how many of these have slipped through my loose fingers.

  34. fmtransmitter says

    Not the “label” hype again…It’s not going to go away and only get worse! Ugh! Like the Auction houses are even telling sellers, hey, we will grade your coins for you at no charge to you! Don’y worry about it, just give us your collection, and your profit margin, and we’ll do the rest. Buyer beware!

  35. Dustyroads says

    I was thinking the same thing, we will see in time if these can hang on to these prices after more begin showing up!

  36. thePhelps says

    If you look around there was the story this year about the 1995 W ASE selling for $86,000 and the population for that grade was extremely low… then all of a sudden a bunch of new coins were added to the mix increasing the population and lowering the value. They are still high dollar coins – but once peope start seeing $$ signs – coins will be graded – and value lowered.

    It isn’t like we are talking about a 1850s era coin…that is hard to find in any condition… we are talking about modern era coins – the only defining factor is a grade and many people holding the coins ungraded.

    I know that I wouldn’t pay that kind of money. It would be like buying a Generals clad half for $2,000 because it has a low population number on PCGS … the fact is it is still a Clad Half… and many people are holding them ungraded – and if they get graded 70’s…the value of my 2k coin drops like a rock and it can happen at anytime.

  37. Dustyroads says

    I’m familiar with the $86,000. selling price at the Florida auction, your right. I am also familiar with another auction for the same year coin, same grade, but for half that more recently. The question here is, what constitutes value? After all, what is gold worth, compared to, say, your or my life, it’s all subjective.

  38. MarkInFlorida says

    When you’re gone the local coin dealer will pay your family melt or less for your stuff, so I avoid anything with much of a markup from melt!

  39. A&L Futures says

    Subject: 2013 PCGS MS69 DMPL Fort McHenry 5 oz bullion sales

    Why on earth are these coins selling for $1,000 – $1,700 each? The slab may look like a First Strike (FS) coin, whose latest PCGS-reported population is 6, but each of the coins I’ve seen on eBay are not FS at all. For example, take a look at the following:


    What’s so great about this coin? Sure, it’s a DMPL, but so what? As of today, PCGS is reporting this coins population at 104. This is the same number you’d find for the standard “blue” insert… so I ask you again, “Why on earth are these coins selling for $1,000 – $1,700 each?

    If this is the price they’d pay for a standard inset, imagine what would happen if a FS coin hit eBay. The sale itself would generate its own MintNewsBlog update. (lol)

  40. KEITHSTER says

    OT I got my Mount Rushmore D UNC rolls from the bank yesterday and a co-worker pick me up a couple of rolls last friday so there out and inthe banks. and your right the dealers will only pay my peeps face or maybe melt but I’ll begone so who cares? Also got a Benjamin Harrison as a tip the other day so looks like sombody cracked open a bag and let a few of the bad ones go:) To bad it wasn’t a real Benjamin o well Good luck all !!

  41. thePhelps says

    A&L… good question…kind of the same question we are speculating on here.

    What are these people buying?

    Must be rerally good – I gotta have – gimme gimme stuff… or some serious off the wall BS flying around…

  42. Wes says

    Would be interesting if for Black Friday they released all the returned or cancelled orders for WP SAE set. About 50,000 should do it and put them on sale for 100.00 each.

  43. ann says

    One needs to be carefull when it comes to E Bay sales prices.
    I have heard more than once friends of the seller bidding on item and establish-
    ing higher prices.

  44. PdBallerina says

    Ampex has the Ft. McHenry DMPL69s for around $800. Can’t explain the $1700 price tag..could be shill bidders. IDK

  45. mark says

    Gold and silver will get hammered over the 4 day holiday. Markets closed…manipulation opportunity at its finest.

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