2013 America the Beautiful Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins

atb-numisRelease dates and updated pricing have been provided for the 2013 America the Beautiful Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins. These coins will feature White Mountain National Forest, Perry’s Victory and International Peace Memorial, Great Basin National Park, Fort McHenry National Monument, and Mount Rushmore National Memorial.

Previous numismatic releases for the .999 fine silver 5 oz coins have carried the “P” mint mark and utilized a special finish created through a vapor blasting technique.

Back in December, the US Mint had included release dates for each of the five coins on a preliminary product schedule. The release dates started with February 12, 2013, with subsequent dates at two or three month intervals. Early in the year, these products were all removed from the schedule, and later added back with “On Sale Date To Be Determined”.

Also in December, the Mint had published pricing in the Federal Register for the coins. The 2013-dated releases had a published price of $244.95, which would have been an increase of $15 over the last price of the 2012-dated releases, despite a lower market price of silver.

The newly established release dates begin with May 16, 2013. The next coin follows in close succession, and the final three releases are scheduled around the release date for the corresponding quarter products.

White Mountain May 16, 2013
Perry’s Victory June 6, 2013
Great Basin June 27, 2013
Fort McHenry August 2013
Mount Rushmore November 2013

Updated pricing for the products was published in the Federal Register this morning. The coins will be offered for sale at the price of $179.95. This price is the same as established for the 2012 Chaco Culture Five Ounce Silver Coin which resumed sales yesterday. It is also $65 less than the price published in December.

I have been told that the reason for the delay in establishing release dates for the 2013 ATB Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins is that the Treasury Department had only recently approved the maximum mintage levels for both the bullion and numismatic releases. I am trying to obtain information on exactly what these maximum mintage levels will be. I will pass along any information as soon as I receive it.

The maximum mintage levels will certainly be very interesting to see. In first three years of the series, the US Mint has already went from under-producing the coins to over-producing and back to under-producing.

In 2010, production delays had pushed the release of the coins out until December, when the bullion coins with production of only 33,000 units each were all released at the same time. In the face of high initial demand and the prospect of immediate secondary market premiums, the US Mint had established special rules and conditions for the distribution of the coins. The 2010-dated numismatic versions were released during 2011 with maximum mintages of 27,000 each. Demand for the initial releases was intense, driving quick sell outs and sometimes crashing the US Mint’s website.

In 2011, bullion production was expanded to 126,700 units for the initial releases. Although the first two designs quickly sold out, demand fizzled for the remaining designs, and the excess inventory of coins remained available for sale into the following year. Numismatic versions carried a maximum of 35,000 units. No designs managed to meet this sales level.

In 2012, bullion production was sharply curtailed with a low of 20,000 units for the Hawaii Volcanoes and Denali designs. The numismatic versions carried maximum mintages of 25,000 pieces, but it turned out that actual production was much lower. Sell outs occurred for the Acadia, Hawaii, and Denali designs when sales reached approximately 15,000 units.

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  1. Dan in Fla says

    I’m shocked that the prices are so low. When the 2010′s were 279.95 these are $100.cheaper.

  2. thePhelps says

    I think the mint levels are going to be the interesting part of this. The price may actually pull in buyers (like me) who wouldn’t have bought – and it will make for an interesting announcement.

    I’d guess they will set them at about 30k and see if they sell … the new price will make this interesting as the article suggests… because the past doesn’t give them any idea what the present will be.

  3. Brad says

    Yeah, I paid $279.95 for my 2010′s. I’m pretty sure they all sell for less than that now, especially the last three designs. I guess I’d have been better off to buy them later on the secondary market. You just never can tell, though. For a while, they commanded a pretty penny.

    I’ll venture a guess for the 2013 mintage levels at 30,000 bullion and 20,000 numismatic. There’s no guarantee they’ll all be struck, but with enough pent-up demand and lower prices it may happen. I wonder though, why bother to set a limit at all? The law doesn’t require it. They can strike as many as “the secretary deems appropriate”, right? Why not wait and see how they sell this year before locking in a maximum mintage? If they sell them all right off the bat, they’re sacrificing revenue.

  4. says

    I’m really not certain at all what we’ll see for maximum mintage levels. I’m inclined to guess about 15,000.

    The real question is whether the reduced price is going to juice sales. My suspicion is we might see a quick-ish sellout for White Mountain given the price reduction and pent-up demand..

  5. Pool Shark says

    CO,

    My thoughts exactly.

    Though I suspect the Mint anticipates this and may raise the mintages on the first couple issues nearer to 20,000 to “test the waters” and see how sales are before deciding on mintages for the later ones.

    Of course, the bullion versions have been such a losing program that they may cut mintages on both types just to reduce their losses…

  6. Pool Shark says

    Zaz,

    I assume so, since the first numismatic (White Mountain) will be out in less than two weeks, and the AP’s haven’t yet begun pre-sales of the bullion coins yet.

  7. Pool Shark says

    Fosnock,

    You have to admit though, that quick sellouts might cause great interest in, and attention to the 5-ounce program.

    Between the pricing/availability debaucle with the 2010′s and the over-production of the 2011′s, the Mint has turned-off a lot of would-be collectors.
    If they want to stop losing money on the program, they need to do something to drum-up major interest in the 5-ounce coins.

  8. says

    Pool Shark,

    It occurs to me that the mint’s new strategy may be to just produce a minimal number of these things at low mintages to ensure quick sellouts. If silver hadn’t gone and imploded over the past month, the mint could have probably produced the 2013 AtBs at 10K-15K and sold them at $245. They might have made a little money, and ended the problem of slow sales and lengthy availability times.

  9. Wes says

    OT I still think the price for the upcoming two coin ASE two coin set is high. Should be around ten dollars less at 129.95 not 139.95.

  10. Eddie says

    $180.00 is a more reasonable price but @ $150.00 that would be only $30.00 an oz. and The Mint would still make money. I like 3 out of the 5 but if they keep the price @ $180.00 I am going to try to get all 5 of them.
    Right now there is so many item coming out like the Silver Proof set, the 2 ASE set, and the unc.ASE coin. All of that adds up and I try to get 3 of each and that adds up to $777.00 and then throw in the 5 ozers the comes out to $1317.00 after all is said and done. That is a lot for this guy.

  11. george glazener says

    OT, sort of, but has anyone here been to White Mtn in New Hampshire? How does the scenery compare to the “biggies” like Great Smoky Mtns, or the Rockies, or places like that out west?

  12. Saucexx says

    Brad,

    I’m with you, I’m not sure why they even bother with a mintage limit. And really nor do I care unless it’s in the hundreds. The 2012′s and maybe even the 2010/11′s are all going to have historically low numbers no matter how you cut it.

  13. Tim says

    Most of these designs are sweet, I think the Fort M with the “bombs bursting in air” will be sharp in bullion or collector. The price is sweet as well if it stays this way. A bit OT, my 3 Generals arrived today, it was ordered around 3 PM, April 18th and it is very nice in hand….. Very pleased, good luck all!!!

  14. stephen m says

    I’m sure the lower prices on the 5 oz. will attract more collectors buying more 5 oz. ATB coins in the short term. If silver prices keep falling it will be interesting, to say the least, to see future sales #’s of the 5 oz. numismatic versions. I had intended to stay in but haven’t purchased any since the 2010′s.

  15. Rick of Ohio says

    What a deal! The mint lowers the price of the 2012 unc dollar set and then sells out before you can order.

  16. Dustyroads says

    At the beginning of the year the 5 oz. P’s looked as though they would be produced in 15,000 each, but it’s much easier to see a greater number now. Of course like many others here I would like to see mintage unchanged or lower, but at this time, 20,000 looks more reasonable for the Mint.

    Mintages pending pricing!!

  17. Ray says

    The bullion 5 ouncers were priced much better than the collector versions, yet the sales werent much greater than 20k, it seems hard to imagine that the collector coin would ever do much better than the bullion mintage. people are going a bit silver crazy right now. there isnt much available without the ridiculous $8+ premiums. if the 5oz bullion coins compete with the current premiums, they could go crazy. all very interesting indeed.

  18. says

    way ot…FS lovers….Silvertowne is have a sale on Washington and Adams FS coins graded NGC PF69 for $799.95.

  19. simon says

    OT ; Rec’d my Proof Generals 3-coin set. Outstanding ! The coins are very well struck and totally flawless. The dollar in particular gleams, and I ordered just before the sellout but must have received some of the first minted coins.

    CO : thanks for the Golino article on the Liberty coins. I certainly hope they get the approval and get going on the designs and minting of these gems. They should look awesome in the silver sets.

  20. Jon in CT says

    The mintage maximum will be 25K. Whether or not the Mint actually bangs out that number is an open question.

  21. Hidalgo says

    Now that the 2013 P 5 ounce ATB silver coins will be selling for $179.95, I wonder how that price will affect higher prices paid for the 2010 – 2012 ATB 5 ounce coins…..

  22. says

    I don’t think it will affact the previous years AtB’s as they are no longer available and will still command a premium. Just look at sales for the 2012 Acadia, Denali, Hawaii and 2010 and 2011 “P” coins on ebay.

  23. rpw says

    Based on the history of the 5oz ATB’s I think 15-20k will be the mintage.
    Seems sales have slowed down and I think only a few of the coins will peak particular interest from here on. Only those collecting all the 5oz ATB’s will continue to do so which seems to be around the 15k mark. I’ve been buying all so far (except I missed the Hawaii coin). Ticked at the mint for the “sudden” halt in sale of that coin. It was quite odd how the Volcanoes coin came out AFTER other ATB’s including the Chaco (which is STILL on sale). Now I have to pay up in secondary market to get it. Seems to be alot of fishy stuff going on in this coin collecting business! Personally – I don’t think the mint will complete the entire series of the 5oz ATB’s.

  24. ROS says

    ” the Treasury Department had only recently approved the maximum mintage levels for both the bullion and numismatic releases”

    This seems to remove the ability to tinker with max mintage numbers as some have suggested. Regardless of demand high or low the mintage will have been set for all 5 issues for the year.

  25. stephen m says

    Hidalgo, the effect of higher prices paid for 2010-2012 ATB 5oz. coins now that the 2013′s are @179.95 will only matter to a flipper or a person trying to make a profit although we all like to see our purchases turn into an increase in value. If only we could see into the future. Silver prices will be lower and/or higher at some points in time.

  26. Chuck says

    As far as I can tell until the 5 oz “P” ATB program came along the lowest mintage pure (.999) silver coin, 1 oz or larger put out by the US Mint was the 1995 W proof silver eagle at around 30,225. I realize the ATB program is not getting a great deal of love at the moment for whatever reason(s) but I have to think down the road they will be viewed differently especially when you’re looking mintages less than half of the ’95W. Most people didn’t see the ’95W potential in 1995 but look at those prices now.

  27. says

    Hidalgo,

    My guess is for the 2010s and 2011s, we may see their values decline further. In the case of the 2012s, I think (for now) their values should be safe, as there is a good chance they may collectively be the lowest mintage AtBs. I think as long as the mint produces more than 15K of White Mountain and future AtBs, and the price stays low, they should probably sell in greater numbers than the 2012 AtBs.

  28. Tom D says

    Only a government agency could be this inefficient… I placed an order (number 41203492) 4 weeks ago and called (talked to a person whose name was India) to check on it. I was told it was being “verified” because it is a large order and this verification usually takes 4-6 weeks (!). When I asked what I could do to help the verification process, I was told there is nothing I can do. Now I am trying the email option, which the U.S. Mind website also says can take several weeks for a response. If a private company operated this way it would be out of business! Unbelievable inefficiency. The mint’s retail operations need to be privatized.

  29. dv says

    I’ve visited at of these parks except the first. I will probably get it though just because I’d like to have all of them. I never bought at the 279 price
    But started when the first price decrease occurred. I as able to pick up the last 2010 at that price as well as a Yellowstone after market.

  30. Mark in Florida says

    Chuck, I think you’re right. These are really neat but they have had almost no publicity. I think when they are discovered by more people they will be hot. The mintages are minuscule compared to most key coins. And as people get older these will be the only coins they can read without a magnifying glass!

  31. im just a bill says

    You are right about the publicity thing Mark, but how are more people going to discover the ATB’s, when the mint only advertises to the individuals they already sell to?

  32. Dustyroads says

    I’m curious if the 5 oz. would be greatly more popular if Walking Liberty were on the obverse. My personal thoughts on the coins at the time I first learned of them were that they where more like rounds, and it has only been since I have been around them more that I have created an appreciation for them. I think that at this time they are still over shadowed by the much more popular ASE, which by the way is much easier to buy. I am inclined to think that some day these coin will be more highly viewed as collectors items since there production numbers are obviously low in comparison to so many other prized numismatic products. The only thing that may stand in their way are their accumulative numbers over the life of the series. It’s early though, so maybe they can grow in popularity.

  33. Hidalgo says

    @Dusty – data clearly show that the ASEs are much more popular than the ATB 5 ounce P coins. There are a number of reasons for that. In my opinion (and I know we all have one), the affordability and beauty of the ASEs have made them quite popular. And of course, their price… Folks can buy three ASEs for every one ATB 5 ounce coin (at $179).

    I’m not so sure that the ATB 5 ounce P coins are in such hot demand. Clearly, there is interest in the products, but I don’t see them flying off the shelves either. And they certainly are far from being sold in the quantities that the ASEs (bullion or collector coins) are.

  34. EvilFlipper says

    @ Hidalgo- We agree! The beauty an the affordability of ASE makes them VERY popular. I’m still suprised at how many people have never seen one however. No lie. I brought one to work and NO ONE except 1 Doc in the office had ever seen one. Blew me away. Most haven’t even seen old American coinage save for a mercury dime, wheat cent and buffalo nickel!

  35. Chuck says

    Talking bullion only, 2013 silver eagles are going for around $30 and some bullion ATBs are going for $150/$160 ($30-$32) so the price difference isn’t that great. Also, I agree the ASE is very popular but I think you have to take into account the fact that they’ve been around since 1986, 27 years. The ATBs are only into their 4th year. The collector “P” pucks are a different animal, not bullion/not proof with extremely low mintages (in some cases less than half of the 1995 W proof. Should be interesting.

  36. someone says

    “And of course, their price… Folks can buy three ASEs for every one ATB 5 ounce coin (at $179). ”

    If someone can afford to purchase 3 ASEs, that money would be better spent on the ATB 5 oz. piece.

  37. thePhelps says

    ““And of course, their price… Folks can buy three ASEs for every one ATB 5 ounce coin (at $179). ”

    If someone can afford to purchase 3 ASEs, that money would be better spent on the ATB 5 oz. piece.”

    That has a double edge sword to it… I might be able to afford the ATB’s – but reselling them is where I think people are kind of put off. The ASE is easy to turn around – because it has a lower initial cost. It is easier to sell as a single coin. I think that is why they have low sells of these to start with – the price isn’t one that everyone can afford and many may only buy 1 or 2 of them a year – and 5 a year is pretty expensive for the novice collector.

    It also didn’t help that this series started with silver at an all time high in cost. I will probably never go back and get the 2010 to 2012 coins – unless I buy them in bullion. While they are cool – the premium for them just isn’t acceptable.

  38. Dan in Fla says

    I was there when silver was at its highest (2011) and buying the ATB’s at $279 and I will be there when they go back. I can’t tell you how valuable it is to see the quarters in large format 3 “. Plus there is the five ounces of silver.

  39. Samuel says

    2 ordered after “backordered” in stock and reserved now with cancel box.

  40. thePhelps says

    wow…I think the lower price will drive people to buy these coins. It will be interesting… this is going to be an expensive month. :)

  41. thePhelps says

    I think the price jumping around killed the 2012… I think it will be interesting @ 180… could sell quick or drag out to 25k – I am thinking that might be about right myself.

  42. vaughnster says

    I’d be very happy if I can acquire all five of the 2013 5 oz P’s and the five bullion versions for $900 a set or less. I’m still committed to having a set of each for the entire series. You rack’em, I’ll stack’em :-)

  43. Chuck says

    At $180 per I’m thinking these will move pretty well. That’s only $36/oz for a collector coin.

  44. ROS says

    The irony of this issue is that the bullion versions are going to be the long term winners.

  45. Zaz says

    ROS is correct for a number of factors: the bullion is relatively easy to mar, the difficulty of finding DMPLs–not all the bullion is minted equally, as time goes by and more mishandling occurs the number of pristine coins drops, whereas collectors will keep the collector coins in the Mint supplied capsule. Even out of capsule, the vapor blasted surface is relatively immune to light fingerprints, just as the 3″ medals are today, and those are meant to be handled.

  46. Chuck says

    I’ve located 3 “P” Chacos w/OGP for $190 ea. Final mintage came in at just over 17K. Hmmm.

  47. nick says

    Hi all, I am new to collecting and I have been focusing on ASE’s. Please explain to me if you could why the bullion ATB are going to do better than the ones from the mint in the long run? Don’t they only sell on metal content? wouldn’t the numismatic ones demand a higher future price?

  48. says

    Bullion version of White Mountain 5 oz…I found one online dealer taking preorders with delivery beginning 5/24.

  49. kip cavenit says

    I have gotten every one made and have been happy with the bullion ones-I have gotten those from Provident Metals for $111 but they are one of the WORST companies on the net to deal with-for me at least. they screwed up and sent me 3 of the same coin-refunded 2 and i had sent back all 3 so i got screwed out of one 5 oz coin and had to buy another so be careful with them-but they are the cheapest i have found

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