2014 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar Silver Coin Collection

Today, October 28, 2014 at 12:00 Noon ET, the United States Mint will begin accepting orders for the 2014 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar Silver Coin Collection. This will represent the third and perhaps most eagerly anticipated of the three special numismatic products issued to mark the 50th anniversary of the series.

The series was authorized shortly following the assassination of President Kennedy and the first coins were issued in 1964. The obverse was designed by Gilroy Roberts and features a portrait of President Kennedy based on his inaugural medal. The reverse was designed by Frank Gasparro based on the Presidential Seal. Upon the coin’s initial release, a large proportion of the mintage was hoarded by the public as mementos, which limited the number of pieces which actually circulated. The tendency to save rather than spend the new half dollars contributed to the decline in circulation for the denomination. Since 2002, the half dollar has only been struck to fulfill demand from collectors and not minted for general circulation.

Since the beginning of the series, the coins have undergone some changes. The original portrait design by Gilroy Roberts has been modified over the years resulting in a very different appearance of the modern portrait compared to the original. The composition of the coins has also changed from the original 90% silver to copper-nickel clad, which has been used for circulation strikes since 1971.

The release of the 2014 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar Silver Coin Collection brings the series back to its roots by restoring the original portrait design and issuing the coins in the original 90% silver composition. This portrait and composition are used across four half dollars struck at four different mints with different finishes.


The set includes one reverse proof coin from the West Point Mint, one proof coin from the Philadelphia Mint, one enhanced uncirculated coin from the San Francisco Mint, and one uncirculated coin from the Denver Mint. Each of these coins has not been offered previously and represents a distinct and separate issue from the 2014 Kennedy Half Dollars included in other numismatic products.

2014-w Reverse Proof Kennedy Half Dollar

Of the four coins, two issues feature finishes never before seen within the Kennedy Half dollar series. The 2014-W Reverse Proof Kennedy Half Dollar features mirrored raised design elements and inscriptions against a frosted background. This is the opposite of the appearance of the traditional proof coin. The reverse proof finish has previously been used for the American Silver Eagle, American Gold Eagle, American Platinum Eagle, and American Gold Buffalo within special numismatic products.

2014-S Enhanced Uncirculated Kennedy Half Dollar

The 2014-S Enhanced Uncirculated Kennedy Half Dollar uses different degrees of laser frosting to create a unique appearance. On the obverse, the portrait, lettering, and border will receive a heavy laser frosting treatment. On the reverse, the lettering and border will receive a heavy laser frosting treatment. The eagle will receive a moderate laser frosting treatment, and the stars will receive a laser polish technique to accentuate them against the field. An enhanced uncirculated finish has only been used on one previous occasion for an American Silver Eagle issued within a special set.

The four coins of the 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar Silver Coin Collection are packaged within an embossed faux leather folder which includes an image of President Kennedy from the original half dollar design along with flag imagery. Each set also includes a booklet on the development and design of the half dollar and a separate printed certificate of authenticity.

The sets are priced at $99.95 plus applicable shipping and handling. Sales are conducted through the US Mint’s website at http://catalog.usmint.gov and by phone at 1-800-USA-MINT.

Just days ahead of the on-sale date, the US Mint announced a product limit of 300,000 units. The Mint indicated that they would have more than 180,000 units immediately available for the start of sales. There is an ordering limit of 5 sets per household imposed.

Unexpected Product Limit

Establishing a product limit for the 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar Silver Coin Collection was an unexpected development and was announced only days before the product release.

Ever since the one-day sell out of the 2011 25th Anniversary Silver Eagle Set, the US Mint has shied away from establishing specific product limits for high demand products. (The exception is the case of commemorative coins such as the Baseball Hall of Fame Coins which have mintage limits established by Congress.) Instead of setting product limits, the US Mint has used limited four week ordering windows or left mintage levels open ended and based on demand.

When the 50th Anniversary Kennedy Silver Set was first announced, there was no specific product limit in place. In fact, I had asked the Mint if they ever planned on going back to establishing maximum mintages for special products and at the time they indicated their preference for no mintage limits due to the difficulty in gauging customer demand.

Since the US Mint typically aims for broad product distribution, they likely established the 300,000 product limit as their approximation of the total collector demand for the collection. Will this prove too little, too high, or just right?

For anyone contemplating the product limit, here are some figures to consider from other special Kennedy products and somewhat comparable special silver numismatic sets.

  • In 1998, the US Mint offered a special Kennedy Collector’s Set, which included the 1998-S Robert F. Kennedy Silver Dollar and a special matte finish 1998-S Silver Kennedy Half Dollar. The set was priced at $59.95 and sold approximately 62,000 units during a four week ordering window.
  • In 2006, the 20th Anniversary Silver Eagle Set was offered and included three Silver Eagle coins with proof, burnished, and reverse proof finishes. The sets were priced at $100 each and limited to 250,000 units with an initial ordering limit of ten sets per household. A sell out occurred after approximately two and a half months.
  • The 2011 25th Anniversary Silver Eagle Set contained five Silver Eagles including two coins unique to the sets. Priced at $300 per set, there was a product limit of 100,000 and ordering limit of five per household. A sell out occurred in less than 5 hours.
  • The 2012 San Francisco Silver Eagle Set contained proof and reverse proof Silver Eagles with the “S” mint mark. One of the coins remained unique to the set. The product was offered during a four week ordering window and priced at $149.95. Opening day sales reached 85,341 units. Final sales reached 251,302, which was later adjusted to a final audited mintage of 224,935 sets.
  • The 2013 West Point Silver Eagle Set contained a reverse proof and enhanced uncirculated Silver Eagle with the “W” mint mark. Both coins were unique to the set and this represented the first use of the enhanced uncirculated finish. The sets were priced at $139.95 each and offered during a four week ordering window. Opening day orders reached 140,648 units. Final sales reached 281,310 units, although this was subsequently adjusted to 235,689.
  • The 2014 Baseball Hall of Fame Silver Dollars featured an innovative design for a popular theme. The coins were priced at$47.95 for the uncirculated and $52.95 for the proof with a maximum mintage of 400,000 across both versions and ordering limit of 100 coins per version. Opening day sales reached 156,675 silver dollars. A sell out occurred in just under two weeks.
  • The 2014 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar Uncirculated Coin Set was originally offered with no stated product limit and an ordering limit of five per household. The set was priced at $9.95. Opening day sales reached 68,974 and have now risen to 134,631. A product limit of 200,000 was just announced.
  • The 2014 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar Gold Proof Coin was originally priced at $1,240 per coin and had an ordering limit of five coins per household. Opening day sales reached 56,694 and have since risen to 64,303. The ordering limit has been removed, no product limit has been imposed.

New US Mint Website

Today’s high profile release will represent the first big test for the United States Mint’s new retail website and order management system which launched on October 1, 2014. In addition to improvements to the design and functionality, the new system features dynamic scaling to meet peak capacity.

For past major releases, the US Mint’s website has slowed to a crawl or even crashed. To temporarily deal with the issue, the US Mint had utilized an online waiting room which during times of high traffic queued customers to enter the website. Neither of these situations was ideal and I am sure customers are hoping for a better experience this time around.

Good luck to all readers today who plan to order the set!

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  1. hw says

    A&L Futures says
    October 28, 2014 at 10:16 am
    (1st week sales) – 3,341 — wow!

    Those are probably the ones that got picked up for $1600.

  2. thePhelps says

    Well… today is finally here for those of us that passed on the Gold coin. I am looking forward to the reverse and enhanced coins in this set!

  3. A&L Futures says

    @ hw,

    I thought the same thing. Do you honestly think they (i.e. the U.S. Mint) will honor that price?

  4. KEITHSTER says

    With the Puck coming out on the 6th will the pucksters order less Kennedys or no effect? I can see some coins on hold from the get go! not mine I got over that but got lucky Good Lucky All:>:>:>:>:>

  5. Eddie says

    I just wished the Mint had put them into a wooden box like they did with the ASE. It would have a more classy look to the entire set instead of that fake leather folder they are putting them in.

  6. hw says

    A&L Futures says
    October 28, 2014 at 10:31 am
    @ hw,

    I thought the same thing. Do you honestly think they (i.e. the U.S. Mint) will honor that price?

    Weill, I picked one up for $1600. Already delivered.

  7. Sith says

    @KEITHSTER – I was going to wait but with the mintage limit their will not be any coins to order by the time the puck comes out.

  8. A&L Futures says

    @ hw

    Hey, congratulations!

    Perhaps the TPGs will create a new “Error Price” label to commemorate your purchase. (lol)

  9. VA Rich says

    Here we go – gotta love it! Good Luck!

    JFK silver set sell out predictions –

    Ibex – 6pm, Wednesday, Oct 29th
    Mark Rex – 10pm, Wednesday, 29-Oct
    cagcrisp – 10am, Friday, 31-Oct

    VA Rich – 3pm, Monday, 3-Nov
    Pittsburgh P – 6pm, Tuesday, 4-Nov (week 1)
    Sith – gone by the 6th
    AkBob – 6pm, Thursday, 6-Nov
    Steve – 5pm, Tuesday, 11 Nov (week 2)
    thePhelps – by the 12th or so

    EagleOne – Wednesday, 31 Dec
    GoldFishin – March 2015 or Bust! (about the time the ’14 LESPS will be available)
    bg35765 – Never (and can be said for a price reduction in the AtB puck)
    NC_Stacker – Never
    Hawkster – it will be a struggle to reach 300,000

    It’s Game On!

  10. lucky43113 says

    i dont usually buy this kind of thing but im going to chance it with the limited number i figured it was worth a shot

  11. lucky43113 says

    people have been selling this silver kennedy set on ebay for a few days now prices were 139 to 169

  12. cagcrisp says

    Opening Day Sales for Silver Kennedys (Sorted Lowest/highest) CLOSED

    • TimTom 55,000 10/14
    • Dustyroads 64,000 08/09
    • CaptainOverkill 75,000 08/08
    • thePhelps 85,500 08/08
    • bg35765 87,281 08/25
    • GoldFishin 88,844 08/09
    • HiCal 93,564 08/08
    • Sith 100k 08/09
    • VA Bob 105k 08/08
    • Louis 115k 08/09
    • VA Rich 100k on 08/08/14 ; 137k 08/09
    • Pittsburgh P 148,888 08/08
    • Bob R 169,000 08/08
    • Hawkster 184,546 08/08
    • cagcrisp 212,125 08/08

  13. A&L Futures says

    With the new website, had anyone confirmed whether or not the “Waiting Room,” will go into effect (4-min)?

  14. says

    I just want to add I consider my prediction of 75K opening day sales to be completely invalid now. The introduction of mintage limits have changed everything. I am now anticipating a sellout within a week, and possibly within 48 hours. This will go similarly to the BHoF ordering.

  15. vaughnster says

    I want to get my sets right at the opening bell. I’m buying a few extra sets to possibly flip so the First Strike/Early Release eligibility helps. This should be fun!

  16. Larry says

    I have been looking forward to this ever since I saw the set at the ANA show. Also looking forward to the Everglades 5 OZ puck. Not generally big on commems, but boy that US Marshals gold for next year sure looks cool!
    I really liked the four week window with no mintage limit. But 300K should hopefully be enough. Good luck to everyone ordering!

  17. vaughnster says

    I agree with CaptainOverkill, a week tops before it sells out. Kennedy’s are still popular with collectors and this set looks spectacular!

  18. vkind says

    Did not hit the waiting room page when I went to usmint site……is waiting room concept still there?

  19. Sith says


    That will depend on if the website can handle the traffic, assuming it does this set will sell out in under 48 hours.

  20. Mark Rex says

    Order placed for 5x – USM025919xx – One Day Shipping
    Was refreshing like a madman and I think I got my checkout confirmation within 20 seconds of sales. 🙂

  21. thePhelps says

    The worst part of the process was the CC info – which isn’t as smooth as the old site.

    Got my sets ordered.

  22. VA Bob says

    VA Rich – order#USM02592XXX completed 12:01 no issues with the site, but I prefer the old one better. 2 sets ordered, as I planned before price or limits were advertised, plus one FS bronze set.

  23. NC_Stacker says

    Placed an order then went back to place another, difference between my two orders is 694 out by 12:02

    Easy as pie.

  24. halfpint says

    just ordered kennedy 4 coin set ,took only about 2 minutes went great no problems,ordered about 1 minute after 12:00

  25. Jon in CT says

    While browsing the Mint’s catalog website right now it’s impossible to sense that the Mint had a major product drop at noon. I detect no hiccups or slowdowns at all.

  26. says

    Wow, cheers to the new website, best experience ever! I was on my PC, my wife on hers. Neither of us went into a waiting room. I got 2 sets with a confirmation in less than 2 minutes. My wife got one in the exact same time frame. They seem to have gotten this quite right. I’m thrilled with their performance. You can teach old dogs new tricks. Good Luck to everyone else. I can only hope the same experiences for you too.

  27. Dave says

    Webpage error details

    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; MS-RTC LM 8; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)
    Timestamp: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:08:37 UTC

    Negative will not let me check jurat box to complete check out!!!!

    Message: ‘val().length’ is null or not an object
    Line: 1
    Char: 72777
    Code: 0
    URI: https://catalog.usmint.gov/on/demandware.static/Sites-USM-Site/-/default/v1414468867490/js/checkout.min.js

  28. Dave says

    User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; MS-RTC LM 8; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)
    Timestamp: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:08:37 UTC

    Negative will not let me check jurat box to complete check out!!!!

    Message: ‘val().length’ is null or not an object
    Line: 1
    Char: 72777
    Code: 0
    URI: https://catalog.usmint.gov/on/demandware.static/Sites-USM-Site/-/default/v1414468867490/js/checkout.min.js

  29. Dante says

    Done, took three minutes because I type slow (had to re-enter my CC info).


    I guess the demand is not overwhelming the new site. If nobody else will say it, I will:

    Nice job, US Mint.

  30. says

    Still no confirmation email, but the order is listed in my order tracking list with a number so it seems everything is in order.

    I was literally done in 25 seconds after the product went up. Yes, I actually timed it.

    I would say the mint’s upgrade has been a resounding success. The somewhat less useful interface is a-okay with me since I can enjoy no-fear ordering going into future hot releases now. 🙂

  31. Sith says

    About a 4k difference between my first order and my second order . The orders no longer show the time but they were about 1 minute apart.

  32. Erik H says

    Looks like the website can handle the traffic… or nobody is buying??? In and out in under a minute. I would have been faster but I forgot about the CC security code.

  33. VA Rich says

    Good deal Bob! Yeah, this site is twice as fast as the previous in pushing orders, appears to be about 300-400/minute

  34. VA Bob says

    Well now we’ll see how quick they ship. We’ve heard the “coins on hand” story before, and it still took a week or more to ship.

    I suppose I’ll get use to the website (do I have a choice?). It is not as intuitive as the old site was IMO. All they need to do was fix the guts, the appearance was fine. Well nothing stays the same. Next product for me is the Everglades 5 oz. then I’m done for the year.

  35. Brad says

    It looks like several thousand orders have been placed already, based on the numbers posted here. Very impressive. The new website, horrible design aside, works like a charm. Like some others here, I did have my doubts. So, I have to apologize to the Mint for doubting them. It seems they really DID address the bog-down issue.

  36. Sith says

    @Dante – I did experience a slow down between orders…and got an error, which would not go away. I closed that browser and used my second one. That is why it took a minute between orders, but I agree good job US Mint!

  37. Erik H says

    I also noticed that the only shipping option that was offered was “Budget $4.95”. I thought it was a coding error but realized that because I ship to a PO Box they will not offer Expedited shipping services unless you use a physical address.

  38. Frankie says

    Let’s assume 300-400 orders per minute with an average of 2-3 sets being ordered per order = approx. 1000 sets ordered per minute. Sell-out should occur within 5 hours…
    I know, just pure speculation…! 🙂

  39. says

    VA Bob,

    Your feelings more or less match mine. I don’t like the interface as much, but the ease of ordering something like the Kennedies put a smile on my face today. It does seem like the “guts,” as you put it, have been fixed pretty well.

  40. Eddie says

    I would like to get from this 1st batch and some from 2nd batch to see if there are any differences.

  41. VA Dave says

    Ordered in about 30 seconds – in and out!! Finally after all these years a ordering system that is actually an ordering system.

  42. Louis says

    Terrific except for the fact that my 2nd order is not listed in order history and no e-mail confirms so far. Anyone have the same experience with a 2nd order? Anyone get an e-mail yet?

  43. Ikaika says

    @ Dave

    I had the same problem. The CC information stored would not appear and typing a new one did not allow to proceed to check out. Switched from Explorer to Safari and it worked fine. Lost 15 minutes but got the order in.

  44. VA Bob says

    lucky43113 – I checked my bank account, the charge is also pending. This might bode well for faster shipping, after all.

  45. MD Dave S. says

    Used the Internet app on my Android phone. Finished in 3 minutes (I need to learn to scroll faster). Good job U.S. Mint!

  46. Dan in Fla says

    No problems with order for Kennedy at 1206pm Five sets ordered.
    I wish I would have ordered two of those Platinum coins before they went up.

  47. says

    To quote Lard a## from Stand By Me, “DONE!” Took 42 seconds, no hitches. What portion of the order # does the counter want again?

  48. VA Bob says

    Ikaika – Did you click the drop down arrow next to the CC# input box? My CC was in there, just had to add the security code.

  49. says


    I have still not received a confirmation email. When I did my “test order” there was an instant confirmation email sent showing me my order, followed a half hour later by a full order confirmation listing my number, the products I bought, and the prices.

    I am not sure why no emails are being dispatched. You might want to try phoning the mint, their lines are probably a lot less clogged with the website running smooth.

  50. Ikaika says

    @ VA Bob

    Yes, I did and still did not load up the info. Interesting, in Explorer I can’t see my order but in Safari I can.

  51. lucky43113 says

    ok i called paypal i have not been charged they just authorized the mint to take the money but nothing processing at the moment what a relief

  52. VABEACHBUM says

    Interesting couple of days… had to travel to rural S.C. (read BFE) to help with some family matters.

    So I just completed my order of 3 sets – via a 52K dial-up connection using my older laptop and Firefox – in 7 minutes from log-in to check-out. No scripting errors at all, and any delays were the result of my connectivity constraints vice the US Mint website.

    Only drawback I found was having to re-enter CC info that I had already loaded and confirmed two times previously during my account updates.

    Needless to say, pleasantly surprised so far!!

  53. Louis says

    2nd order now appears in history. Since it seems no one is getting e-mails, I am not worried esp. since I have order #’s and receipts. I am sure the phone lines are clogged.
    Can’t wait to see opening day #’s.

  54. thePhelps says

    I just got email confirmation of my order.

    Interesting note… I checked my order number against the order I placed last week on the 23rd… only 11,404 difference between the 2…

  55. says

    VABEACHBUM, I also noticed that my CC info was not filled in when I went to checkout (I have it stored) so I just entered the security code and moved on. No problems completing the order after that. It did make me question it for a second though!

  56. Erik H says

    My order history didn’t show up in IE until I logged out and then back in. It did show up in FireFox, weird.

    Should I reorder my “missing” order now or wait a few hours so it can ship out later giving me a chance to cancel if needed?

  57. Pittsburgh P says

    Site handled well it seemed. I think I was the only one that had an issue. Wouldn’t allow me to check out at first but I refreshed and I was allowed… Then it didn’t complete the transaction because it said I reached my household limit! It was my first order… Did it again and it went through at 12:11 but I was charged 17,95$ for shipping! I clicked standard for 12.95$ and with orders over 300$ you get a complimentary upgrade to expedite… I wonder if they just put that down and charge me the 12.95$ when it ships? anyone else get standard and was charged 17.95?

    Glad all went well for most!!!

  58. VA Bob says

    I’ll say one (more) thing I particularly don’t care for in the website history is that it lists more than one of the same product as 1 item. This is confusing if you go back looking for a particular purchase with multiples of the same item.

  59. MSL says

    Placed two orders for Kennedy silver sets at approx 12:30pm. Each order went through in less than probably two minutes for each transaction. Kudos. Can’t believe it!

  60. Pittsburgh P says

    VaBob I agree with you there for sure! I noticed that awhile ago when looking through the new order history… Don’t like it at all!

  61. fmtransmitter says

    So I switched the “button” to inactive for the Spouse medals and added them to this Kennedy order to save on shipping. If I get two sets of those medals, I am gonna be upset because I never got any tracking and still said processing. That is new website fault for not sending out my item when it was released on sub..

  62. Eddie says

    I ordered 3 on my 1st order and am trying to order 2 more with a different CC and when I do it says I have reached my order limit. Isn’t 5 the order limit or did the mint change it to 3?
    Anyone else have this problem?

  63. fmtransmitter says

    @PP, No, I had same problem. I was logged in and when I and clicked place order, it crashed for a second, had to refresh etc then took…

  64. Pittsburgh P says

    Glad I wasn’t the only one FM 😉

    Eddie, that happened to me but i just try my order again and it went through….

  65. Louis says

    We are only 1 hr into it and don’t know the average # of orders. Therefore any predictions right now are meaningless. I agree with CO and others that it will sell out this week.

  66. Eddie says

    Why is everyone not putting the last 4 numbers of there order number? Don’t we need the last 4 #’s because everyone has the USM0259 numbers.

  67. fmtransmitter says

    lucky43113 says
    OCTOBER 28, 2014 AT 1:09 PM

    mine are already on ebay
    flippin woo hoo!!

  68. Sith says

    @ibex – It has only been 1 hour and at least 15% of the total mintage (25% of the initial run) has been sold…we should reach back order status at about 5-6 PM today, and sell out by 8 PM tomorrow

  69. NC_Stacker says


    When looking at your order history it will only show 10 orders per page. You have to select view all in the lower right of the page.

  70. Sith says

    @ibex – It has only been 1 hour and at least 15% of the total mintage (25% of the initial run) has been sold within the first 15 minutes…if true we should reach back order status at about 3 PM today, and sell out by 10 PM tonight, but expect we will sellout by this time tomorrow.

  71. Stipe says

    Lowest order number I’ve seen is 25919xx (assume 00). 10 min ago 2607xxx(assume 000). That means 15,100 orders in about an hour.

  72. TimTom says

    Figured I’d chime in. Order 025928xx @ 12:03 (according to my clock) for a single set. Received Confirmation Email at 12:40pm. All in all very smooth. Now I think the limiting factor will be my internet speed and not the Mint’s website for future BIG releases. Can’t wait to see it in hand.

    Dare I say? You go Mint! Nah, they’ll mess it up somehow I’m sure. 😉

  73. Sith says

    @Eddie – I ordered first thing, and my first order number was 2592XXX. It makes a good enough starting point

  74. Eddie says

    I am still having trouble ordering the other 2.
    I received 1 e-mail that said my order could not be filled at this time and then got a second one that says my order went though.

  75. fmtransmitter says

    BTW, I was calling same time on website during ordering process and just kept getting a busy signal…Need improvement on the phones! Many people don’t have internet!

  76. Junior says

    2607xxx at 12:59PM

    I had an excellent transaction experience. I was expecting issues. I am pleased it was smooth.

    I too was surprised about the CC information not being pre-filled and then I located a drop down that filled my CC information in. I had to add the security code.

  77. Louis says

    Of course it could not go without some glitches. I ordered 3 and then 1 and just tried ordering a 5th and it says I already reached the limit!

  78. VA Bob says

    NC_Stacker – Yeah, that option to select other pages of orders is now gone from my history page, replaced with a “Continue Shopping” button.

  79. John says

    Ordered just after release time. Order number 2598XXX. It seemed like it took about an hour to get the confirmation email. The website seemed to operate just fine with loading/re-loading, so I wondered just how much demand there really is for this product. The only hiccup that I noticed was that at first, it did not load my saved credit card info. It seemed like it took it about a minute to populate those fields. Other than that, no big issue with the website.

    I did experience the 2011 25th anniversary Silver Eagle set and got an order in right away then too. This website experience was so very different from that time.

  80. Louis says

    Well, my 2nd e-mail has the total amount for 1 set as ordered but lists 2 sets which is wrong, and that is why they are not letting me place a final order for the 5th one. Will just have to be happy with my 4 unless they sort this out.

  81. Raphael says

    U.S. mint site having lots of problems, right now it is telling me a card that expires 08/15 has a expired date. When it had accepted as valid over a month ago.

  82. someguy says

    Had issues with the website, went to confirm order, got a blank page (wtf? did it take or not?). Tried again, still did not take. Tried a third time, and looks like it worked, I think…No email confirm, did not show up in order history until just now. Oh, and I tried calling customer “service”, and just got busy signals (for hours). I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

  83. jim b says

    I just placed a 3 set order. 1 for me 2 for my friends 2 boys. I was pleasantly surprised that there was no wait time or any of the past hot item shut downs. I am very much looking forward to looking at this set

  84. KEITHSTER says

    Not so easy here but got it done 45 min. of crash and go with all the crash and slow ended up with 10 in the bag? Then had to fight my way back to get them out! Took Mom an hour by phone but the look on her face priceless don’t think she could of hung it out much longer? Glad to here it went good for most but not here but not as bad as thought! Now just have to wait out the ships & cancels Good Luck And Good Day All:>:>:>:>:>

  85. jim b says

    just placed a 3 set order. 1 for me 2 for a friends 2 boys. I was very pleased that there were no problems with the web site at all as with other hot items. I am very much looking forward to looking at this set.

  86. Erik H says

    As stated earlier, my first order of two is MIA. My second order of two shows up in order history. I tried to order two more a few minutes ago to replace to missing two and it says Household limit reach. Logged out, in, cleared cache etc. still nothing.

  87. ibex says

    #2609xxx at 1:30 est. Thats about 17000 orders so conservatively say 3-4 sets per order on average thats 50,000-65000 sets sold. The rate of buys will slow down too now that the initial rush is over.

  88. says

    Question for everyone. Did anyone try to order using Google Chrome? I’ve heard reports already of problems with Internet Explorer, and my friend seemed to have trouble with Chrome too. Everything went fine when he switched to Firefox.

    Seems like the mint’s site might have specifically been designed with Firefox in mind.

  89. Blair J Tobler says

    I got my order in right away, and it said “Processing” in the status. Also, CC got pinged. Waited and waited for email confirmation. Meanwhile, about 30 minutes in, status on website changed to “On Hold”. Started to get nervous, because I know all my info is correct and I just ordered stuff a couple of weeks ago. Finally got the email confirmation at 1:07pm, and a few minutes after that the status changed back to “Processing” again. Despite some minor glitches, the site operated pretty well. I’m happy I got my one set.

  90. says

    Incidentally, my pre-2014 order history has also been wiped. There is no “next page” option that I can tell, just a big red “CONTINUE SHOPPING” button. It had previously gone back several years like VA Bob’s

    Also of interest is they didn’t “headline” the Kennedy set on the front page. They still have the FDR One Dollar Coin & First Spouse Medal Set at the top.

  91. Mr. Kairu says

    Process was very smooth and got the confirmation email. Mine was a lil earlier 2596xxxx. Yay!

  92. joe says

    I used Firefox and had some problems of my own doing. There is a Firefox add-ons called Ghostery that helps control the number of trackers that are allowed at a website. My computer would repeatedly lockup every time I tried to checkout, so I allowed the trackers associated with the US Mint site and the order when right through. When I was finished I disallowed the trackers again. It appears that even the Mint wants to know our business.

  93. VA Bob says

    NC_Stacker – LOL no doubt!!! I’ll probably get an audit too.

    Sith – No argument there. You know the big players are loving this.

    CO – I had no issues with IE 11. People using this might want to try opening an “In Private” browsing session (in the browser under tools, or settings/safety) or turning off “add-ons” or other browser helpers (also under tools). Also can set compatibility settings. Good luck.

  94. Sith says


    I got an error code when checking out using Firefox, I simply closed the tab and used a secondary tab without issue. Sorry earlier I said I used a second window browser I meant tab.

  95. fmtransmitter says

    Seems like the mint’s site might have specifically been designed with Firefox in mind.
    Just the opposite, firefox developers had everyone else’s websites in mind when they designed that browser!

  96. fmtransmitter says

    jim b says
    OCTOBER 28, 2014 AT 1:50 PM

    just placed a 3 set order. 1 for me 2 for a friends 2 boys. I was very pleased that there were no problems with the web site at all as with other hot items. I am very much looking forward to looking at this set.
    The real test will be the shipping out of these orders…

  97. J Allen says

    Ordered 3 sets by phone at approx. 12:45 pm CT. It took about 15 minutes to get through. Order #02611xxx.

  98. VA Bob says

    If you are computer savvy, or at least unafraid, you can try this if you are having IE 11 issues: From the open browser, on the Mints website, Press the “F12” key, this will open the Developer Tool screen. Then pressing both keys at the same time, press “ctrl” + “8”, this will take you to the emulation screen. For the “Document mode” drop down, select “9”, in the “User agent string” drop down select “Internet Explorer 9”. Your bowser should now emulate IE 9.

    I have to add, use at your own risk, because I don’t want anyone screaming if it doesn’t work for them. IE 9 was a good browser, just not as secure as IE 11 is supposed to be, but if this is the only page giving you problems, that shouldn’t matter. Good luck.

  99. Pittsburgh P says

    Chrome here… Idk if the issues I experienced were on my end or not but all in all under 10 minutes is still good while having problems.
    Sorry keithster, at least you & your mom got through 🙂

    Yeah FM… I hope the shipping goes as smoothly! We will see.

  100. Ikaika says

    @ CO

    I have two computers. One PC running IE and the other a MAC running Safari. On the PC, I can’t check out using my CC on file or by typing a new CC number. The CC on file does not show even after selecting it. After typing a new CC, the Continue Checkout button does nothing. I then switched to the MAC and Safari. CC on file shows up when selected and Continue Checkout button works just fine. Lost 15 min on this game, but got my set ordered. Another problem is the Order history: In the PC/IE I have no order history. In the MAC/Safari I see it just fine.

  101. Ikaika says

    BTW, I already received the order confirmation via email. Will see how sales go from here and might buy an extra set later on. Good luck to all!

  102. ibex says

    #2613xxx at 2:30 est. Thats about 21000 orders so conservatively say 3-4 sets per order on average thats 65,000-80000 sets sold. The rate of buys will slow down too now that the initial rush is over. Initial allocation doesn’t look close to selling out today.

  103. says


    That sounds almost exactly like what happened when my friend was trying to order with Chrome. It also happened to me when I tried with internet explorer last month when I was getting those irritating script errors.

    Sounds more like it’s a matter of bugs though than anything else, as most posters seem to have had no issues ordering using IE or Chrome.

  104. Eagle One says

    As of 12:00 PM PST…After 3 hours

    21,050 orders mint orders have been placed within the first three hour time period. Some orders may not include any K13 sets and some orders may include up to five K13 sets.

    21,050 x 5 = 105,250

    21,050 x 4 = 84,200

    21,050 x 3 = 63,150

    21,050 x 2 = 42,100

    I would guestimate that approximately 70,000 K13 sets have been sold in the first three hours.

    ibex, our numbers agree.

  105. says

    The numbers analysis is interesting. The pace of sales is not as quick as I’d expected if it is correct. I wonder if the gold Kennedy “poisoned the well?” I sincerely expected the mint would sell out of its stock on hand within 24 hours once I heard about the mintage limit.

  106. VA Rich says

    CO – if the past tells us anything, it’ll start to slow down between 3:30 & 4 pm.., and then pick back up starting around 6:00 pm EST.

    Thanks for the numbers analysis guys, I’m on the slide lines today stuck in meetings, wouldn’t be surprised to see 100k sold by later tonight. We may see a dead cat bounce over the weekend, though I think we’ll all agree, the bulk of sales will be captured in the first 48 hours…

  107. Eagle One says

    The earliest reported invoice number was 2,591,9XX. I rounded it to 2,591,950.

    The last reported invoice number was 2,613,XXX. I rounded it to 2,613,000.

    The error in reporting maybe ± 150 or 0.42%

  108. Sith says


    I think the gold poisoned the well but even so the sales volume does seem light. My initial guesstimate of 100K might be right. However I think we are under estimating sales volumes. In either case it will pick up again once the initials sales comes out and people get home from work.

  109. Raphael says

    Finally got my order in after disabling Ghostery. I used the previous mint website without any problems, so as far as I’m concerned they took 1 step forward and 2 backwards. There is a reason Grostery blocks some trackers, and it is not their honesty, and ability to keep data secure.

  110. says

    Heh, I got mine in BEFORE the first minute and mine hasn’t shipped yet. I think I may be further back in the line somehow as I didn’t get my confirmation email until after 1 in the afternoon.

    However, I am sincerely impressed these are shipping on the same day they were ordered. This is a huge leap forward from the mint’s older order fulfilment process. It took a few days for my “test” order I made Oct. 1 to ship so I was expecting a similar wait here.

    Apparently not!

  111. Mark Rex says

    My Order Number is USM025919xx and I paid $20 for UPS Next Day Air and my order is still processing. I thought paying the extra meant faster processing and shipping. Hopefully it moves to Shipped by tonight. It will be interesting to see when these actually ship instead of labels created.

  112. Louis says

    Well, here is what is interesting: 1.) I selected budget shipping 2.) it was my 2nd order placed about 1pm and with the email coming about 1:30 that was shipped, not my first order placed right at noon. I have generally had god results with Smartpost, so I should have it in a week or less.

  113. Sith says

    My second order shipped as it was the set by itself, the first order is processing…it contain another item. I used budget shipping.

  114. Louis says

    I am trying to find out what happened with the order limit issues, but at this point I want to see day 1 #’s before
    spending any more hard earned $.

  115. Wes says

    If it is light it maybe because 180,000 in stock and ready to go is a lot and some have decided there is no rush to order. If they had a counter on website like HSN of number sold they would IMO sell out faster. Still I think this is going well.

  116. BearMetal says

    I placed my first order at 1238 hrs EDT and my second order at 1626 hrs EDT.
    The difference between the two orders is 11,901.

  117. Sith says

    @RICH D – Don’t place your order number like that it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the full number.

  118. hw says

    I didn’t notice this before but my e-mail confirmation actually had the FedEx tracking number on it. I had routinely filed it away when I first got it. Amazing indeed! As noted earlier, status is “Shipped”.

  119. TimTom says

    My order shows as shipped, tracking number provided, but doesn’t work yet on fedex site. Chose budget option. Order for one set placed at 12:03pm. Wow!!

  120. ibex says

    Wow shipping already!!! That is extraordinary. If I remember right, with SmartPost, Fedex does the long distance leg then hands off to USPS for the local yokel delivery. Is that right?

  121. Eddie says

    I still can’t order more than 3 sets. It always says that I have reached my HH Limit. I reall don
    t know what is going on. I really do want 5 set altogether not just 3.

  122. Mr. Kairu says

    Also shipped for my order (that my wife made for me) 😀 can’t wait to see actual #s from today!

  123. VA Bob says

    PP- Thanks. I must of missed Louis selection. I ordered that set of FS medals in the same order, so I anticipate a delay with mine, but it is encouraging that others are shipping quickly.

  124. BearMetal says

    Eddie… Have you tried closing everything out and rebooting? If you were using IExx, try Mozilla Firefox or Google Chrome instead. If you have tried all three, the issue is most likely on the Mint’s end. Good luck!

  125. GoldFishin says

    Pitt P.- My son used Chrome on his Mac to place my order at around 12:39 am. He was in and out in less than 45 seconds with no issues. I ordered two sets. My order is is still “processing”. I am like you, don’t care if I get it all that fast. Order number 2605xxx.

    It is very evident that the website has a few minor glitches, but can handle whatever we can throw at it for accepting orders. I am impressed with the backbone the site has!

  126. Wes says

    They have sent me an email saying order has shipped as well. Fed ex so just invoice has been created with Fed Ex. Probably going out tomorrow. What a change.It’s no wonder why I didn’t see a cancel box.

  127. dave says

    i cant believe its already being shipped wow! the mint has totally suprised me with this issue and ive been buying from the mint since the 1980s just amazing

  128. VA Rich says

    lucky – that doesn’t sound so lucky, that’s $40 premium on a $99 set.

    cag – boxes shipping already – Flipper Nightmare!

  129. GoldFishin says

    @VA RICH- I was just about to say the same thing. If a person has offers for $700 for five sets I would be accepting. Folks will have sets by the end of week if they actually do ship out today and tomorrow. I will just sit back and wait for all the graded coins to hit the market and be very patient about my price. Meanwhile I will enjoy looking at my 2 sets with brand new shiny coins in them. Of course, I will have to “wear shades” to remove the ugly blue from my sight! 😉

  130. GoldFishin says

    No chance for flipper’s to cancel this time around, better be getting them sold quick! Only 7 days from date of product delivery to make a decision about returns.

  131. VA Rich says

    It’s gonna cost them to return this time around, unless they refuse delivery.., some lessons are harder to learn for some than for others, I suppose.

    Nice Job Mint – Impressive!

  132. Dante says

    GF –

    Come on, the blue color isn’t so bad.

    It could have been blaze orange. Or pink.


  133. VA Rich says

    GF – I’m going to buy a few more sets spaced out over time.., we’re due a ‘true error’ coin this year, and I’m hedging my bets. ;7

  134. Pittsburgh P says

    VaBob no problem, I had a few other items including a JFK medal in my orders so I expect a delay like you but think all early orders will ship this week by the looks of it.

    GF & VaRich I concur – FLIPPERS NIGHTMARE 🙂

    Man o man could it be that you or I or any collector will get his set before HSN or the like? As most I was cautiously optimistic, well maybe pessimistic, about the new site but so far I’d have to say thumbs

    Thought’s on sales? Have they been brisk enough to call for an early sell out or will they drag on….

  135. Pittsburgh P says

    Lucky 85$ is better than a loss… which is probably what you’ll be looking at if you wait till next week.

    VaRich yeah with the new Mint policies I do not see returns happening nearly as much!

  136. Ends in Error says

    I got to agree with the call on the error. Nothing will help pump up the Mint more than an error.

  137. Erik H says

    Just got off the phone with Customer Service. They told me that they have had “lost orders” that then effect the household limits when you try to reorder. She tried to place a phone order but it wouldn’t go through. I was told somebody would call me in 24-48 hours to reorder. One reason I break my orders up is so if this type of thing happens at least I get something, if I had tried to order all 5 in the first shot (the order that went MIA) I would have nothing!

  138. Eagle One says

    It is estimated that 70K sets sold in the first three hours. It is estimated that 25K sets have sold in the last three hours. The sets have been on the market for 6 hours.

    The first reported invoice number was 2,591,9XX
    The last reported invoice number was 2,619,113

    27,213 invoices were reported in the first six hours.

  139. VA Bob says

    Could be a sellers nightmare, with shipments this quick. It will definitely hurt the little flipper, but the big guys have still have an advantage. Their collection point is in the same vicinity address as the Mints Fulfillment Center. They pick up and overnight to the TPG’s for grading and labeling. We’ll see how quick the slabbed coins appear. 70 seekers, especially with ER/FR labels still won’t want to send them in and risk a 69. There should still be money in these for the biggest, and quickest sellers. We’ll see soon enough.

  140. VA Rich says

    VA Bob, et al., – how would you price a 69?

    Would it price at $25? Or $25 + the cost of grading fees (excluding shipping and return shipping fees)?

    The obvious answer is what the market will bare, though I’m interesting to see how 69’s price out.

  141. VA Bob says

    Erik H – Just from reading the comments, it sounds to me like the website broke the multiple orders. I haven’t heard anyone that just placed one order have any issues. Hope they get it straight for you, and the others in this situation.

  142. fmtransmitter says

    Wes says
    OCTOBER 28, 2014 AT 5:28 PM

    They have sent me an email saying order has shipped as well. Fed ex so just invoice has been created with Fed Ex. Probably going out tomorrow. What a change.It’s no wonder why I didn’t see a cancel box.

    DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ACTUAL TRACKING NUMBER? IF you only bought the silver Kennedy set? If you bought gold or expedited shipping please do not respond…

  143. VA Bob says

    VA Rich – Since you are talking slabbed coins, of course you’d have to figure costs in (TPG’s, eBay), plus multiple shipping charges (Mint, TPG, eBay). I believe you could ask $50 on top of costs for the RP and enhanced each, and $25 on top of costs for the others if they are 70’s. For 69’s you might as well keep them, or sell them raw for $25 each, as at this point I don’t believe the little guy can make much money on them. Bill sellers will fair better with bulk grading.

  144. cagcrisp says

    @fmtransmitter, I have Tracking Numbers but they want show up on the actual websites until some time tomorrow. I’ve never had numbers show up when they send them out on either the Mint’s website OR in an email.
    Only ordered the Silvers and didn’t use expedited shipping…

  145. GoldFishin says

    @ Cagcrisp- 27,213 orders first 6 hours plus projected orders next 6 hours of 9,600= 36,213 orders multiplied by 2.45337 sets per order= 88,844!!! 🙂

    I will accept my prize now! And NO, I haven’t rigged the numbers to match my guesstimate! Well….maybe just a little. I think my original guesstimate of 108,844 may be closer, just depends on the number of sets per order. I am thinking around 3.1 or so, but that could be low.

  146. Brad says


    My order placed around 12:01 has shipped already, UPS Ground with a tracking number. I selected “budget” shipping, as I can’t bring myself to spend any more on shipping than I have to. I long for the days when all online orders at the Mint ALWAYS shipped for free.

    Anyway, I don’t ever recall another time when an item shipped the same day I bought it. I’m very impressed.

  147. VA Bob says

    FM – Like you said, even if you get a tracking number, it will probably be tomorrow before you see movement. Pretty sure they load a large truck, possibly a semi trailer to get it to Fed Ex. Even that is refreshing.

  148. VA Bob says

    West coast still getting off work and commuting home. Might still be a couple more hours of life in the days orders.

  149. VA Bob says

    “Bill sellers will fair better with bulk grading”

    Should have been “Big sellers will fair better with bulk grading” sorry.

  150. Hidalgo says

    I placed an order for one silver Kennedy half set around 3:30 PM (EDT) by phone today. I had no problems connecting with a customer service representative. Since I have no plans to flip the coins or send them to a third party grader, I felt safe that I would be able to order a set online.

    As I stated yesterday, I question if these sets will appreciate considerably on the secondary market. It’s too early to tell, but with a mintage of 300,000, much will depend on how much folks will be willing to pay for the sets in the future….

  151. GoldFishin says

    @VA RICH- 69’s will most likely start out a few bucks above the cost of coins and grading, but will be below that cost pretty quickly IMO, especially if the 70 percentages are high, running around 70%. With ebay/paypal fees calculated in you will lose money, no doubt in my mind. You can compare this year’s 2014 S Kennedy Silver PF 70 50C sales to get some kind of idea. That is one reason I am not playing the grading game. Some of those 69’s don’t even cover cost of grading, much less the cost of the highest silver content coin in the Silver Proof Set. Hope this helps….you can look for yourself and see. Don’t go by what I think….but that is what I think.

  152. John D Moore says

    Ordered at 12:00 pm shows shipped with a tracking number. This shipment was budget. Way to go mint.

  153. VA Rich says

    12:01 order of 5 – UPS tracking # requiring adult signature – GET THIS – bargain shipping rate paid –

    Estimate UPS delivery date:
    Scheduled Delivery:
    Thursday, 10/30/2014, By End of Day


    VA Bob / GF – thanks gentlemen, no way am I playing the grading game, I just thought 69’s would rate a price of raw which would be at or above $25 (or there abouts).

  154. cagcrisp says

    @GoldFishin, your setting in a good place. The ONLY hope I have is that the numbers we are seeing are internet only. For me I needed 30,000 orders in Hour 1. When that didn’t happen, I knew I was TOAST…

    With the numbers we are seeing, I don’t see Ever selling 300k. The Demand was Not there on the clads, Not there on the Gold and now Not there on the Silvers…

    The Only hope we have on appreciation is When the Mint FINALLY Stops minting the JFK offerings…

    With Shipments already starting…………………..FLIPPERS NIGHTMARE…

  155. GoldFishin says

    @Va Rich- Ask yourself what you think a PR69 set would sell for….. and then consider that most people can do simple math and can divide by 4. That should give you an idea of what buyers will be willing to pay for an individual 69 coin. The RP’s will carry a premium above the others imo, the RP and the enhanced and maybe even the proof is what I would concentrate my resources on, in that order.

    Does anyone have a recent order#? I am considering ordering one more set just to find out what the latest number is, but I would rather not.

  156. VA Rich says

    Hey Pitt – if these things do arrive Thursday evening as my UPS tracking # shows, we’ll have them for class. Wonder if we can get a Baltimore label anyway.., I’d like a “Got this label in Baltimore without standing in line” label.

  157. fmtransmitter says

    So your getting tracking numbers from? Phone orders? It was busy signal for HOURS for me today..

  158. fmtransmitter says

    VA Rich says
    OCTOBER 28, 2014 AT 7:23 PM

    12:01 order of 5 – UPS tracking # requiring adult signature – GET THIS – bargain shipping rate paid –

    Estimate UPS delivery date:
    Scheduled Delivery:
    Thursday, 10/30/2014, By End of Day
    Where do you see this? All my stuff says processing…Has to do with the “merge”..I am playing “Survivor” here!

  159. VA Rich says

    Tracking # from the mint’s track order page and dropped into the UPS site, which shows a Thursday delivery EOD.

  160. fmtransmitter says

    Yea, I’m out…Either the medals slowed it down or the new account/merge…humbug…I can wait…lemme know how they look! lol

  161. Hidalgo says

    Just wanted y’all to know that my one order of the silver Kennedy half dollar set, that I purchased around 3:30 PM (EDT) today, is marked as “shipped” and has a FedEx smartpost tracking number assigned to it.

    Seems like, as of 3:30 PM today, fewer than 180,000 sets were sold.

  162. fmtransmitter says

    Wow, I got through via phone system! Anywho, she had no explanation as to why he medals never shipped and she had a tracking number for today but hasn’t posted to the website account…That is the longest tracking number I have ever seen,…

  163. GoldFishin says

    @Va Rich, Ends In Error- considering the US Mint is utilizing 4 different mints for this JFK silver set, with a die life of 1200 coins per die, divided by 720,000 coins already produced, you have 600 chances that one of the dies had an undetectable error or an intentional error that may have resulted in a short run of error coins. I would say that this is probably your best chance at an error coin in quite some time. But as much as we have complained here at MNB about quality issues, I wouldn’t bet the farm on it. It would be fun to have an error coin!!!

  164. Sith says

    @ny joe – The number seem to be solid, and in line with the initial estimates tooting my horn (hype) I would say they are close to 100K. Not spectacular but solid. Basically it was what was expected before the mint declared a product limit. Anyway if so the mint has another 80K of sets to sell before they even start the second patch. They should sell but the mint obviously overestimated demand, or the household limit was too tight. IMO the mint will now need word of mouth to sell the remaining 120K.

  165. A&L Futures says

    @ VA Rich,

    If my sets arrive (like yours) this Thursday, I may be inclined to drive up to Baltimore.

  166. vaughnster says

    I ordered five sets just after 12:00 and initially had budget shipping. My order has shipped and was bumped to UPS Ground w/signature required. I too am in shock over same day shipping! No chance for speculators to order and cancel after a few weeks. Is it just me or wouldn’t it be better to put the Kennedy sets on eBay after there is a sell out?? Seems then the price would skyrocket.

  167. VaBeachEd says


    I am out of town and had a problem with checking out online, so I called and got my order in about 7:19.
    My order # is 26241xx. I think that would be around 32,250 invoices from what I have read so far. If each order was 5 sets that would be around 161,250 sets or 4 sets each invoice = 129,000 sets. I might have been late, but it appears with this set I was safe not like when I got 5 sets of the 2011 silver eagle set of 5. I had to work the computer and phone at the same time to get that order in by 1:30 the day!

  168. Tinto says

    I had mine sent to my PO Box, the confirmation email (only ordered the JFK set) just mentions ” Fedex Smartpost POB” So I went to the Mint’s and logged in to check further. Nope … same description.

    Order status – PROCESSING

    Are they shipping from Denver, cause I saw DENVER written in CAPs under the line item of my confirmation email. When I went to the Mint’s website I didn’t see DENVER under the line item description …

    BT W why do they have

    “Mintage Limit – None
    Product Limit – 300,000 ” ???

  169. VA Rich says

    A&L Futures – yeah, this could get real interesting if they show on Thurs and then we could create our own “Pandemonium in Baltimore!” without the help of Hendrickson & Lukins. 🙂 I’ll be up there Friday with a MNB ‘rockstar’ and rolling in again Saturday, so perhaps I can collect on the cold one you one me! ;7

  170. VA Rich says

    I’m quite taken back that someone notorious from the MNB gang hasn’t commented on today’s website success….

  171. says

    My shipping notification arrived at 7:29.

    VABob and VARich made some comments on how the flipping might go. Personally, I am expecting poor premiums. First day sales were not as robust as I expected, and I am now questioning whether the initial production run will sell out within one week. Not only that, the mint is clearly on the ball with shipping to the point where hot products are now shipping within the same day of sales. It’s possible the dealers might get their orders to the graders first, but it will not take long at all for the small timers to get through either.

    My theory on what makes a “flipper’s paradise” coin is the following:

    1. Hot anticipated release
    2. Limited mintage
    3. Difficulty acquiring this product
    4. Lengthy wait times in the fulfillment process
    5. Not everyone who wants one was able to get one

    It’s worth noting the “hottest” products have been ones that sold out fast, with the mint’s website frequently crashing and then the mint only sending out a small initial shipment with heavily backed-up orders. Baseball Hall of Fame gold coins fit this bill very nicely. Ironically, by fixing their website and order fulfillment problems, the US Mint may have actually harmed the prospects for flippers in the future. Add in a dash of sour grapes regarding the whole gold Kennedy mess, and you have the makings of low premiums for the silver set.

  172. TimTom says

    @Tinto – I think that Denver thing is a remnant of the way the website sorts the catalog by mintmark. I noticed it also in my confirmation email. So technically it should have said West Point, San Fran, and Philadelphia also.

  173. GoldFishin says

    @VABeachEd- Thanks for the info….looks like the West Coast has come to play. It now looks as if 100K is a lock, at the time you ordered there was still nearly 5 hours left. If we end up with 40K orders, just plug in your number of sets per order and we have our first day sales total. I am thinking somewhere in the range of 3.5 sets per order realistically, give or take 2 tenths. It’s fun to speculate!!

    @VA Rich- Please let sleeping dogs lie…maybe he has gone underground because of the Ebola scare in the Northeast.

  174. mark says

    Captianoverkill….took the words right out of my mouth. Thats why I stated…… order only if you want one for your collection. These will be available for a long time.

  175. Eagle One says

    I just made my on-line purchase at 6:10 PM PST (9:10 PM EST). Invoice number is 2,626,5XX. A total of 34,600 orders have been placed in the last 9 hours. With an average of three sets per order; this equates to an estimate of 103,800 sets sold. However, I think the order sizes may be decreasing as things move past the hysteria phase.

  176. VA Bob says

    CO – Not even the 2001 Silver Buffalo sold out in one day. Give it some time. I don’t know if this set will sellout, but even if it does, I believe it will take some time to be worth some, for reasons I’ve already covered. If someone can get graded coins on eBay before the end of this week, which is in the realm of possibility for dealers with the horse power at the TPG, their is a chance money will be made for a relatively short period of time (barring something unusual happening), IMO.

  177. fmtransmitter says

    I agree with Goldfishin on good odds for mistakes either in minting or packaging. Do they really know which coin goes where? Did they send all the packets all around the Country to each Mint? Someone chime in please as to how they packaged these? If we have 4 different finishes from 4 different Mints, we have problems coming and maybe some errors…

  178. fmtransmitter says

    I think the Denver Mint made them all with different dies, and then we ALL will be hard “pressed” for a 70!!

  179. VA Bob says

    FM- the coins from all the mints go to an assembly area. I suppose they can still make a mistake. I just hope it’s somewhere cool, so tank top guy has to were long sleeves.

  180. fmtransmitter says

    Yea, no arm pit hairs please…And the blue fuzz isn’t from Susie;s Halloween hair at the ol Company party…It’s the faux leatherette shedding..

  181. GoldFishin says

    @Eagle One- with available data, we have now slowed to around 1000 orders per hour. The ratio of sets purchase per order is the key ingredient that we can only make educated guesses about. I think if we have any real upside surprises for today’s sales number based on current available data, it will be because there was some big boy bulk purchase shenanigans going on.

  182. fmtransmitter says

    BTW, I don’t know how Rick Tomaska was able to sit there and do an EIGHT straight hour show but I am glad I have a DVR with 4X fwd….Good job though on your new show…

  183. fmtransmitter says

    big boy bulk purchase shenanigans going on.
    That is alot of pre paid cards and PO Boxes/Addresses to have to use to stock pile..

  184. Louis says

    I agree that in the short-term these will not go up much even after sell-out, but over time they should do okay. Remember the 2006 20th anniv. set. 248K sold in about 10 days and they have done well. And like these coins they had a first- the first RP eagle. Be patient folks. Play craps or stocks for quick returns.

  185. Jon in CT says

    The stock price of PFSweb, the company which created the Mint’s new online sales software and which handles all of the Mint’s numismatic sales fulfillment operations, was up nicely today (+2.33%) on double its normal trading volume. There were some interesting, but slight, squiggles in PFSW’s price right around noon, as can be seen from today’s Yahoo summary.

  186. Sith says


    I agree with VA Bob it took about 2 weeks for the silver BHOF to sell out, and the Boy Scout coin took a month to sell out. Neither had such low household limits. It is to early to predict secondary value. As a reminder they both had a household limit of 100 coins.

  187. Louis says

    Let’s just enjoy the actual coins for a change and not worry so much about how these sets will do.

  188. Eagle One says

    GF – If I get two more data points tomorrow, then I will be able to derive an equation, and extrapolate a curve to determine the expected sell out dates for 180K and 300K. Also, the MNB will probably report tomorrow the total number of units sold today and this number can be used to determine the average number of sets per order invoice. At this moment (instantaneously); 2,462 orders per hour are being placed on the Mint’s Website.

  189. GoldFishin says

    @VA RICH- thanks bud!! At least we know where Jon was….watching his girlfriend’s squiggles. 😉

  190. GoldFishin says

    @Tinto- I also have a PO BOX, my CC was pinged but no shipment for me today either(still processing), even though I saw much later order’s that were shipped today. I am not worried about it this time, it may just be an anomaly.

  191. rob says

    I have UPS ( not Fed Ex or USPS) tracking that says my K13 sets are expected by Thursday the 30th. Order paced by phone at 12:04 EST

  192. says

    @eagle one and @Sith

    Thanks for the replies, can’t wait for the First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy gold coin next year to complete the entire set!

  193. US Marine says

    I have a tracking number for my two sets, They are leaving Memphis, My tracking # starts with USM0259 Hope you guys get yours soon. I was done ordering by 9:03 west coast time, I could of been out of there sooner, but they didn’t keep my credit card on site when they launched the new site……..

  194. Jerry Diekmann says

    I tried the on-line system this morning, and everything went smooth until the final tab, which was to place the order. I was trying to order 5 of the JFK silver sets, 1 FS medal set, and 2 FDR-Eleanor coin & medal sets. Thesystem came back with an “I’m sorry … can’t’ process at this time… try again later… thank you for yor patience. I admit I wasn’t surprised, as I figured the system would become overloaded and the Mint apparently again had not prepared for that probabbility. After several more tries of re-entering the required info, I gave up and tried the CS phone. The first try was a busy signal, but the second time the call went through and I was able to speak to a nice CS lady. I asked her if everyone was totally busy and she said there were several hundred reps taking calls today. I placed the order through her, but then an unexpected problem popped up. She couldn’t process my credit card info because she was receiving an error that the “maximum order amount bhad been reached”. I asked her why this error occurred and she said that my unsuccessful attempts on the on-line system triggered a message that maybe I was trying to order more than the maximum limit of coins. I can appreciate the Mint wanting to limit cheating, but in this case, the on-line order hadn’t even processed, so I didn’t know why the CS people would receive this message – I was only requesting one order which contained the 5 sets – all I would ever want, as I am a collector, not a flipper or seller. She said another department would have to review my order now before processing it, and they would telephone me within 24 to 48 hours to confirm their action. I was concerned that I could easily fall between the cracks in the next couple of days, as it is probably a zoo at the Mint now, so I did request and received a confirmation number which is supposed to ensure that my order will be processed. So I am on hold for the next couple of days. She did say that the same problem had occurred with other buyers, I guess those of us who like me had tried unsuccessfulkly to order on-line first and then called CS. It’s not over until the fat lady sings, so I can only hope that everything goes well, which is not always what happens when you are dealing with the Mint. Good luck to all you buyers and hopefully this information may be helpful to you as you try and place your orders.

  195. fmtransmitter says

    u tried to buy 10 sets admit it! j/k…
    Mintage Limit: None
    Product Limit: 300,000
    Household Order Limit: 5
    it should say 75k for ML?

  196. VA Bob says

    Jerry – Looks like there are a few bugs in the system yet, that they will have to work out. I don’t believe you are in any danger of not getting your sets. Good thing you called anyway though.

  197. Rich the elder says

    loged in placed order 2set complete at 12:04 ,done no glitches.I believe those with issues were self imposed!!!!!!!

  198. VA Bob says

    2013 JFK two roll set on back order. Really? Are they digging them out of the warehouse to fill orders? Some day there is going to be another GSA auction.

  199. Jerry Diekmann says

    frmtransmitter – Hi! I know you’re just kidding – 5 sets are plenty for me, at $99.95 a set – that’s quite a dent in my wallet and quite a high price given the actual value of the silver in the coins. But with 4 different silver coins, it should be a nice set to keep and refer to for a long time. I do hope there aren’t any more options of striking coins – 4 varieties are enough.

  200. GoldFishin says

    @ Cagcrisp, Eagle One -Just placed an order at 12:00 am EST for one 5 oz sub. Order number was 02628xxx, Closer to 9000 than 8000. Orders slowed to an average of around 700 orders per hour last 3 hours.

    First Reported Order# 025919xx
    Last Reported Order #02628xxx

    Total Orders First Day Sales= Approx. 36,600 or round to 37K orders.

    At 6:55 PM est I guessed 36,213 orders, wasn’t too far off. Crunch the numbers and see what you come up with.

  201. Eagle One says


    1,500 order invoices were placed between 8PM (EST) and 12AM (EST). That is an average of 375 order invoices per hour.

    A total of 36,100 order invoices were placed from 12PM (EST) and 12AM (EST). Assuming an average of 3 K13 sets per order invoice; the total number of individual K13 sets sold is estimated to be 108,300.

    Raw Data

    T0: # 2,591,900: Diff =0 invoices
    T+3 Hrs: # 2,613,000: Diff = 21,100 invoices
    T+5 Hrs: #2,619,113: Diff = 6,113 invoices
    T+8 Hrs: #2,626,500: Diff = 7,387 invoices
    T+12 Hrs: #2,628,000: Diff = 1,500 invoices

    *Assumption: The average number of sets included in an order is an estimate. It could be higher or lower and some invoices may include no K13 sets.

  202. Eagle One says


    The order numbers were provided by MNB posters that reported their order status in real-time from the start of todays sale.


    Thanks for that critical data point. We will see how things compare when the Mint releases their numbers on Wednesday.


    If I get two more data points on Wednesday; I can extrapolate to an approximate sell out date and time.

  203. cagcrisp says

    @GoldFishin and Eagle One, Thanks for the Numbers. Estimated 36,600 orders. Here are the Guys I Think have the best shot:

    • TimTom 55,000 10/14….. 1.50/order
    • Dustyroads 64,000 08/09…..1.75/order
    • CaptainOverkill 75,000 08/08…..2.05/order
    • thePhelps 85,500 08/08…..2.34/order

  204. VA Rich says

    Oh no…, it’s definitely 3.743 sets per order.., that’s how we’re going to end up at 137,000 sets sold day 1!

  205. thePhelps says

    Well – I waited all day for my “shipped” notice. It didn’t show up so I went to bed…ok It really wasn’t that important. I did look in my email this morning and find my order had shipped as well – I got the notice late last night.

    @cag…I think mine will be low – since the impact of the mintage limit appears to have driven several to order who hadn’t planned on it – and others to order who were going to wait. It’ll be interesting to see how it played out!

  206. GoldFishin says

    @Cagcrisp- I am thinking a little higher, maybe closer to between 2.34 and 3.1, but you could be right. I still have a chance if it as the lower end. I thought maybe VA BOB was going to be in the right range. It will be fun to find out. Have a nice day all>>

  207. halfpint says

    checked order this morning says shipped,on the kennedy 4 coin set ,only ordered yesterday about 30 seconds after 12:00 ,hope this is true seems very fast for the mint

  208. pigiron says

    placed order at 12:15 , on the 28th, order shipped fed-ex 11:15. 28th. scheduled delivery 11-1-14.

  209. CasualCollector says

    Regarding the Kennedy Silver sets that shipped “UPS Ground Sig Adult” — does anyone know if this is the type of shipping that UPS actually delivers to my house, or is it the one where UPS Delivers to local Post Office, and then the USPS Mailman delivers it to the house?

  210. vaughnster says

    CasualCollector–UPS Ground/Sig means the UPS driver delivers it and requires that someone sign for it at the time of delivery.

  211. TMMSR says

    Does anyone know/ remember the average number of 2011 25th silver eagle anniversary sets sold per order. It would be interesting to compare the number of 2011 25th anniversary sets sold per order to the number of 2014 50th anniversary Kennedy sets sold per order. My thoughts are that the Kennedy may prove to be higher – I base this on the fact that to buy the maximum number of Kennedy sets, it will cost $500. But if the maximum number of 2011 25th silver eagle anniversary sets were purchased, it would have cost $1500.

  212. Kerry says

    Tried to order through the Mint website several times this morning and couldn’t get the order to go through (I had already reset my password, etc. last week). Called the Mint and waited for over 30 minutes to get a live operator. Was told that the two-coin special Kennedy half-dollar uncirculated set is now sold out, but fortunately I was able to order two of the Kennedy four-coin sets. I’m not happy that the mintage for the two-coin set is lower than the mintage for the four-coin set. I had been waiting to order both types of sets together in order to save on shipping. Now I’ll have to go into the secondary market and pay much more than the extra shipping charge to get these sets. Thank you, United States Mint for another lousy buying experience!

  213. Brad says


    Is the 1975 version of the bicentennial half able to be told apart from the 1976 version, similar to the Ike Dollar? I think the Ike Dollar has the wide lettering on the back of the coins struck in 1975, and the narrow lettering on the 1976 version. I thought all the half dollars were the same though. Or, maybe you were just joking about the whole thing!

  214. Louis says

    Bear in mind that you can not bring your sets to Baltimore for grading according to the NGC site. It appears they need to be mailed in. They made an exception for the Chicago show but these kind of sets normally must be sent in. But I also don’t recommend doing it that way. Buy a graded set if you want one.

  215. Sith says

    @Kerry – Thank you for letting us know about the sell out, but is listed as “out of stock,” not “sold out” on the website. But that just sounds like a formality. Fortunately for me I got my set yesterday.

  216. Ikaika says

    @ Kerry

    Last time I checked it was out of stock, which does not mean soldout. Did CS confirm soldout?

  217. Sith says

    For those following sales, about 65K of the 2 coin set remained after the 26th…I image that the bulk of those sales happened in the last 24 hours.

  218. Ikaika says

    @ Sith

    I agree with you. Yesterday when I purchased the silver set, I picked another clad set to save on shipping. I think many did the same 🙂

  219. Small time collector says

    ordered after 6pm est and this morning order is shown as shipped!
    I ordered two sets, update shows 1 item shipped, yet charged for 2.
    Not sure what to expect. I ordered std ship to ground address ($4.95 option) it stated 1 to 2 week delivery. I’ll update when received on the left coast.

  220. VA Bob says

    STC – The mint now calls multiple physical items of the same stock number as ONE item. I don’t like that at all, it will lead to confusion as people will believe they are not getting the number of the same items they ordered. It also makes searching one’s history much more difficult. Hope they change that.

  221. Mr. Kairu says

    Does anyone else have trouble with this website some? A “Gatorhost” keeps popping up every now and again when I try to get on here. Wonder if it is with my work computer or with something else… and the site seems really slow (compared to any other site right now).

  222. cagcrisp says

    Ding, Ding, Ding…Johnny we have a Winner ….Actual Day 1 Sales for 12 hours ——-85,670

    The Winner —– thePhelps 85,500 08/08

    Dang…That is Close…Good Job Man!!!!!!!!!!!!

  223. says

    Mr. Kairu and Blair,

    I think this happens often when Michael’s site is experiencing high traffic, and I imagine that right now, with such heavy collector interest in the Kennedy release, the site is being flooded with curious onlookers. I imagine things will get back to normal shortly.

  224. VA Bob says

    Well it good to know the Mint still takes it’s time if you order different items. It makes me wonder if the quick shipping was for the JFK only and we can expect the “normal” progress for everything else? I’m not in a hurry, but thoughts of “hope and change” at the Mint are still under consideration, lol. Yeah, I went there.

  225. A different Jeff says

    I’m sure many ordered the 2 coin K14 set with the 4 coin K13 set. I ordered 3 of each, due on Nov 4 via ground.

    @Brad – the only way you can tell a 1975 Kennedy from a 1976 Kennedy is by the mint or proof set they are in. Other than that, there is no difference. Only the dollar has a distinct reverse, but it is not strictly identifiable as being 1975 or 1976. Only the heavy lettering variety was produced in 1975; both the heavy and fine lettering were produced in both years. The silver coins were only produced in 1975, so I suppose that is what is being alluded to. And those sets were available for 6 years before remainders were melted.

  226. A different Jeff says

    Said that wrong – “…both the heavy and fine lettering were produced in both years…” Should be – Both varieties were produced in 1975, fine lettering was 1976.

  227. Cochisz says

    Received my silver sets of the Kennedy halfs today they are beautiful. Saving for my grandchildren know they will love lhem also.

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