2014 US Mint Circulating Coin Production Exceeds 13 Billion

evergladesThe latest updated figures show that the United States Mint struck more than 13 billion circulating coins in 2014. This now represents the fifth consecutive year of growth after circulating coin production bottomed in 2009.

For the month of December, production totaled 878.76 million pieces and was confined to just three denominations. The monthly total was up sharply compared to the year ago period of December 2013 when production was only 285.96 million pieces.

The table below includes the latest production figures broken down by denomination and mint facility for the latest month and the full year.

2014 US Mint Coin Production Figures
Dec 2014 Full Year 2014
Lincoln Cent – Denver 323.20 M 4,155.60 M
Lincoln Cent – Phil. 313.20 M 3,990.80 M
Jefferson Nickel – Denver 0 570.72 M
Jefferson Nickel – Phil. 43.36 M 635.52 M
Roosevelt Dime – Denver 96.50 M 1,177.00 M
Roosevelt Dime – Phil. 102.50 M 1125.50 M
Quarters – Denver 0 862.80 M
Quarters – Phil. 0 717.40 M
Kennedy Half – Denver 0 2.10 M
Kennedy Half – Phil. 0 2.50 M
Native Am Dollar – Denver 0 5.60 M
Native Am Dollar – Phil. 0 3.08 M
Pres Dollar – Denver 0 15.26 M
Pres Dollar – Phil. 0 19.88 M
Total 878.76 M 13,283.76 M

As mentioned, production for the month was limited to three denominations, cents, nickels, and dimes. The cent accounted for 72.4% of all production with 636.40 million pieces struck. This was followed by the dime with production of 199 million pieces and the nickel at 43.36 million.

Full year production for 2014 reached 13.28 billion pieces. This was up by 11.5% compared to the full year total for 2013 of 11.91 billion pieces. Looking further back full year circulating production levels reached 9.34 billion in 2012, 8.20 billion in 2011, 6.37 billion in 2010, and 3.55 billion in 2009.

The following table takes a look at the 2014 circulating coin production totals by denomination compared to the prior year.

2014 vs 2013 US Mint Circulating Coin Production
Full Year 2014 Full Year 2013 Change
Cents 8,146.40 M 7,070.00 M 15.22%
Nickels 1,206.24 M 1,223.04 M -1.37%
Dimes 2,302.50 M 2,112.00 M 9.01%
Quarters 1,580.20 M 1,455.20 M 8.59%
Half Dollars 4.60 M 9.60 M -52.08%
Native Am Dollars 8.68 M 3.64 M 138.46%
Pres Dollars 35.14 M 33.46 M 5.02%
Total 13,283.76 M 11,906.94 M 11.56%

As can be seen, there was growth in production for the cent, dime, and quarter, with a small decline in production for the nickel.

There were larger swings in production for the half dollar and Native American Dollar. In late 2013, the US Mint struck an extra production run of 6 million half dollars in response to an order from the Federal Reserve, which was subsequently canceled. This resulted in the unusually high half dollar production in 2013. For an unknown reason, Native American Dollar production was unusually low in 2013 and rebounded to normal levels in 2014.

Overall Presidential Dollar production was up modestly from the prior year. Production levels may see some larger moves upwards in the coming years as the recent Presidents are honored.

The final table below shows production totals by design for the 2014 America the Beautiful Quarters and 2014 Presidential Dollars. There have been no changes or additions to these figures since last month.

2014 US Mint Coin Production by Design
Denver Phil. Total
Great Smoky Mountains 99.40 M 73.20 M 172.60 M
Shenandoah 197.80 M 112.80 M 310.60 M
Arches 251.40 M 214.20 M 465.60 M
Great Sand Dunes 171.80 M 159.60 M 331.40 M
Everglades 142.40 M 157.60 M 300.00 M
Warren G. Harding 3.78 M 6.16 M 9.94 M
Calvin Coolidge 3.78 M 4.48 M 8.26 M
Herbert Hoover 3.78 M 4.48 M 8.26 M
Franklin D. Roosevelt 3.92 M 4.76 M 8.68 M
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  1. Hidalgo says

    * As the economy improves, more coins will be minted.

    Off topic. I ordered a 50th Anniversary Kennedy 2014 silver set on October 28, 2014. I returned it within 7 days for a refund. Just today, January 9, 2015, I received an email from the US Mint that they are processing my request for a refund. That’s about 2 months to process my refund request. Before the switch in shippers, it seemed that refunds were processed much quicker.

    Just wondering – has anyone else had to wait such a long time for the US Mint to process refunds?

  2. CasualCollector says

    The first time I returned something was 2 of the Kennedy Silver Sets. I remember I only had to wait a few days after they received the returned package before they credited my account.

    I just returned a couple of FDR Chronicles Sets. They should receive the package on Monday. I’m going to watch to see how long before they credit my account..

  3. CasualCollector says

    According to the Quantity-Left Utility, there are only 2 left of the 1 Ounce Gold American Eagle Uncirculated coins (GB5). But I don’t know if they can just print some more or not based on rules and guidelines…

  4. Hidalgo says

    @Casual Collector – thanks. Two months seems like a long time. Perhaps it is just an aberration.

    Re: the 1 Ounce Gold American Eagle Uncirculated coins (GB5). I’m not sure why a flipper would want to buy one of these coins. There is nothing special to them — they are not the lowest mintage AGE coins nor do they have any special significance (to my knowledge).

  5. Hidalgo says

    @CaptainOverkill – I still find pennies being used in smaller towns/rural areas and small, independent stores. Pennies also seem to wind up in fountains, coffee cans, and on the street (among other places).

    In bigger cities, folks tend to use plastic. I do.

  6. Brad says


    It looks like someone snapped up those two 2014-W Gold Eagle uncs you mentioned. It was probably on your tip they were available again. They had been out of stock since last Friday or Saturday I think. So, someone is probably thanking you right now!

  7. Eagle One says

    I had put back a number of 2009 P&D Dime and Nickel rolls with the hopes of the rock bottom mintages equating to some kind of value down the road. I’m just curious if anyone else had done the same.

  8. Hidalgo says

    @merryxmasmrscrooge – if you find a 2009 D Roosevelt dime in change, you have a winner! (Note: I collect modern circulating coins – these coins are my passion, more so that US Mint products.)

  9. Boz says

    Have received fewer than 10 ATB quarters in change over 4 years. Got a Smokey Mtn just this week, the only 2014 date so far. They are being hoarded somewhere. But 06 and 07 statehood quarters are everywhere now..,the logjam seems to have broken.

  10. Ralph says

    So if someone goes over 200 sales totaling $20,000 or more , Paypal will notify them? Is this correct?

  11. Hidalgo says

    Note: the Great Sand Dunes 5 ounce silver bullion coin is no longer available. Total sales: 21,900 coins.

  12. thePhelps says

    The 2009 Nickels and Dimes are keepers… even the circulated ones get a reasonable return on the bay.

  13. Rudy says

    Ralph-So if someone goes over 200 sales totaling $20,000 or more , Paypal will notify them? Is this correct?

    Don’t know, but if you want to know where you stand, log into your account, go to Activity-Statements-Reporting Center-Annual financial summary. This will have the total under payments received. I am $190 under. Good luck.

  14. Brad says


    I’m not sure if they notify you or not, but I do know that if you get close to the $20,000 threshold and they don’t have your SS# on file, they will hound you to DEATH for it! 🙂

  15. Brad says


    I guess I’d advise you to go ahead and start getting your records in order for your tax return, if you haven’t already. The good news is that if you sold some stuff to local coin dealers or at shows that didn’t involve PayPal, you may not have to fool with reporting any dinky stuff you may have sold that did go through them throughout the year. I would imagine that the IRS would only question your return if the amount you report as income is LOWER than the amount on your 1099-K. As long as the full dollar amount or more is accounted for, it shouldn’t be an issue.

    Still, if you only sold stuff for which you have records of what you paid and you were going to report it anyway, receiving the 1099-K shouldn’t be much of an issue for you. Just be certain that the sum of the amounts you list on your return under the sales price is at least the amount on the 1099-K. You can list as your cost basis in each item the sum of what you actually paid for it, the amount you paid in eBay and PayPal fees, and the amount you paid in postage/insurance to ship it. The difference is your capital gain or loss.

  16. Ralph says

    Brad: Thanks a ton. That was relief reading your reply. I printed it out. I can handle it now.
    Off subject: The other day, I noticed there was the same exact comment made by supposedly two different posters. There were different names. Is it possible to post on here under two different names?

  17. Erik H says

    From Previous thread:

    Eagle One says

    January 8, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    How is it that a PCGS SP-69 2014-D Enhanced SAC $1 typically sells on eBay for $170-180 and the NGC SP-69 2014-D Enhanced SAC $1 typically sells on eBay for $55-65? That is a 309.0% difference. Can the holder actually be worth that much more?

    I beleive that PCGS will crossover NGC slabs (not the other way around). If this is true, I would suggest buying as many NGC SP69 SAC $1 and quickly have them re-slabbed for a profit. I’ve notice some coins that I have in NGC holders sell for more in PCGS holders. I have thought about having them re-slabbed if I sell them and that trend continues, otherwise I like NCG holders better with the exception of PCGS Secure Plus Holders.

  18. Erik H says

    Hidalgo says

    January 9, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    Just wondering – has anyone else had to wait such a long time for the US Mint to process refunds?

    Yes, the refund process is much slower. I had to contact my credit card company after waiting 5 weeks for a refund of my “free shipping” that the mint charged me on “black friday”. Every week the CS reps says, “just wait 3 – 5 days to receive your credit”, yeah right!

  19. VA Bob says

    These numbers sound big, but when you think about it, it’s not really. For every man, woman, and child in the US (legally) that equates to about 25 cents and 7 dimes for each person for the entire year. Amazingly few people can ever own one of the dollars or half dollars. Imagine if this hobby was 10 times more popular.

    To answer CO’s question, those cents end up in jars, parking lots and sidewalks. I recently put 4 outstanding 2014 examples, I got in change from Chic-Fil-A, when the cashier open a roll of them, in cardboard and mylar flips. Don’t know why, they just looked nice. I’m always looking out for circulating coins in nice condition. Kind of a habit.

  20. Eagle One says


    Thank you for your reply. Also, a good idea on the cross over. I am just curious if the Early Release will cross over to First Strike. I have 5 NGC 2014-D ERs that I may want to have crossed over to PCGS.


    Thank you for your reply as well. I will be holding on to those rolls for the time being.

  21. Gary Not Dave says

    @Eagle One
    I also stuffed quite a bit of bank rolled 2009 Coinage…Nickels..Dimes…Quarters…and Golden Dollars….I am not sure I will see much of a return on these in my lifetime but maybe someday down the line a family member can get some value out of them…I have a 3 year old nephew I am trying to turn into a Coin Collector, so we will have to see!

  22. GoldFishin says

    @KCSO- You are quite astute with your observations of the Glades Pucks. I thought because of the price increase to 154.95 there were be fewer dealers that would have them graded since they were taking a beating on the SP Arches, GSD, and Shenandoah pucks. However, I thought the popularity of the design would still get enough of them in the game so there would at least be decent supply on Ebay, Unfortunately that hasn’t been the case. I didn’t like the seller’s ratings that had a some supply on Ebay so I never bought one waiting for somebody else to sell some. Hasn’t happened and now it looks like I won’t have one at all to complete this year’s set. I am not paying the inflated prices at which they are being offered. Only conclusion I have is what you said, they are tired of taking losses and just opted out of the glades altogether. I am really surprised there haven’t been any DMPL pucks available. They were at least making some money on the GSD and Arches dmpl’s… a lot of the GSD’s were selling for $180 -$200 so they were doing ok on them.
    There is a decent PCGS population on both versions of the glades(SP-366, DMPL-285), but it seems somebody out there is sitting on them waiting for a big payday and it looks like they will get it. I really screwed up by not paying the higher price and submitting some myself, but who would have thought this would happen with the most popular ATB design of the year? Oh well, we always have silver coins, gold coins, and circus coins! 🙂

  23. jeff says

    150k for a SP70 PCGS D Mint Sacagawea and the seller will include the OGP AND $1 bill for an additional $3 dollars in shipping REALLY ?

  24. GoldFishin says

    @Eagle One, Erik H- From PCGS web site. My thoughts are, as long as you don’t need a First Strike designation, you only have the grading fee and shipping/ins. cost to pay if the coin doesn’t make your specified minimum grade. However, PCGS is a stricter and more subjective grader, so you have to weigh the costs with the potential benefit. If the NGC coins you are submitting have a large value based on the ER designation, it may not be worth it. I would call PCGS to confirm that Early Release won’t transfer to First Strike. I have thought about doing this before, but my understanding is you won’t be able to get the FS designation, so I decided against it.

    CROSSOVER: For a coin previously graded (currently encapsulated) by another grading service. Minimum Grade: PCGS will holder the coin only if it meets or exceeds your specific request notated in the Minimum Grade column on the front of the form.

    Please specify one of the following options in the minimum grade column on the front of the form. If you leave this area blank, PCGS will assume the minimum grade is the grade currently on the holder.

    CURRENT – Requests coin to cross at grade listed on holder
    ANY – Requests coin to cross at any numerical grade (01-70)
    DETAILS – Request Genuine with Details
    LOWER GRADE – If you would like to specify a lower grade than listed on the holder, write your acceptable numerical grade (include suffix if applicable).

    Note the following limitations apply:

    You cannot specify a higher minimum grade.
    You cannot specify a minimum details grade for existing genuine-holdered coins.
    *****First Strike or equivalent will not be recognized.*****

    Fees: Standard grading fees will apply whether the coin crosses or not. Coins that do cross will also be charged a Guarantee Premium based on the value of the coin.*

  25. CasualCollector says

    Regarding the crossover fees. Last year PCGS offered a show special where you could submit up to 500 coins for crossover. And you only had to pay for the coins that actually did crossover. if you were looking to do this, perhaps you can wait to see if they offer the same special again this year at one of the upcoming shows…

    Here is the wording for last year’s offer:

  26. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    GF – Well, I’m brighter than I look! 😉
    I’ll get on the horn tomorrow and call around to see if certain known dealers anticipate launching any anytime soon, should be a good assessment of the future environment. You recall what Pitt and I used to joke about the gold jfks being.., blub, blub? yea or nah is fine. I gave up on the GSM, over the holidays pulled 5 from my folks place that are FS eligible and plan to fire those off of in the coming week. They’ve remained steadfast in the $500+ range and that’s more than this poor white boy can afford, so we’ll implement the back up plan. Though like you, there is no BU plan for the ‘glades.., yeah, caught with my pants down. Though it’s still early, and optimism always finds a way. Stay tuned…

  27. VA Bob says

    GoldFishin – So PCGS won’t recognize another TPG’s first strike gimmick. Who would have thunk it. 🙂 Pretty bad when they know it’s just a money grab.

  28. GoldFishin says

    @KCSO- If you need any capsules for your maple leafs, I have purchased from this seller several times. He layers the capsules between foam sheets and packs them very tightly and ships quickly. I have bought the direct fits for ASE’s and Maple Leafs and they are excellent quality and fit tightly and once you have them closed, good luck opening them. I usually don’t recommend sellers, but I think you will be happy with them if you need them at some point in time.


    Hope the link transfers…sometimes they don’t for some reason.
    On the SP70 glades…now that I think about it, if I was sitting on 50-100 of them I would probably sell a few now, but would wait for a sell out to be announced to sell some more, then I would wait even longer for Hawaii type prices to possibly arise.

  29. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @Eagle One says-January 9, 2015 at 3:57 pm
    “I had put back a number of 2009 P&D Dime and Nickel rolls with the hopes of the rock bottom mintages equating to some kind of value down the road. I’m just curious if anyone else had done the same.”

    Yes, I also had done so. I had also snatched up a bargain price, a few rolls of dimes, graded by PCGS as MS65 or higher.

  30. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    “Then if you do have a gain you add that to your tax’s for 2014. But if you have a loss you get No deduction.”

    Not entirely true — it depends . . .

  31. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Reporting Capital Gains
    Update May 25, 2011
    FS-2007-19, May 2007

    Incorrect reporting of capital gains accounts for part of an estimated $345 billion per year in unpaid taxes, according to Internal Revenue Service estimates.
    Almost everything you own and use for personal purposes, pleasure, business or investment is a capital asset, including:
    • Your home
    • Household furnishings
    • Stocks or bonds
    • Coin or stamp collections
    • Gems and jewelry
    • Gold, silver or any other

    Disclaimer: My post not to be construed as offering, accounting, tax, or legal advice. You should contact your own tax, accounting or legal advisoe for your particular situation.

  32. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Gold, silver, stamps, coins, gems, etc. These are capital assets except when they are held for sale by a dealer. Any gain or loss you have from their sale or trade generally is a capital gain or loss.

    Disclaimer: My post not to be construed as offering, accounting, tax, or legal advice. You should contact your own tax, accounting or legal advisor (or advisoe) for your particular situation.

  33. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Just an FYI: For those of you wanting to know how the IRS will ferret you out; they will simply match what you report on your tax return with the Form 1099-K (information return) reported electronically to them by Pay-Pal and other such companies.

    For those of you who think you will just open an account without a Social Security Number (SSN):

    New IRS regulations require all businesses that process payments to collect a Tax Identification Number (TIN) or a Social Security Number (SSN) for all sellers with more than 200 transactions in a calendar year, and to file a Form 1099-K for all sellers with more than 200 transactions and $20,000 USD paid to them in a calendar year. If they determined that you are likely to meet the above criteria, then they will need your Tax Identification Number (TIN) or Social Security Number (SSN) on file. While they are required to collect a TIN from sellers who have sold over 200 items, they are not required to report any information to the IRS unless the seller has sold over 200 items and has also had more than $20,000 in sales in a calendar year.

    Disclaimer: My post not to be construed as offering, accounting, tax, or legal advice. You should contact your own tax, accounting or legal advisor (or advisoe) for your particular situation.

  34. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Just a public service announcement for everyone’s benefit, so remember: “Do not kill the messenger.”

    LOL 🙂

  35. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    By the way — how did you think they planned to pay for “Obama-Care?” Well — now you know!

  36. VaBeachEd says


    Take a good look at this NGC GOLD I bought and tell me what you thing about the Grading and discription of the coin. I also checked the VERIFY NGC CERTIFICATION and it shows the picture and coin on the Slab Label, same one I bought on ebay and now have it in front of me. Another reason I like PCGS…..I wonder if NGC would like to buy it?



  37. Dustyroads says

    GoldFishin, I just got in a short time ago from an out of town visit with family and friends and read the past few threads, I too enjoy reading a good story from a fellow commenter, it adds a new layer to what I’m reading here.
    I have to be honest with you, I did look up the info, and yes, I do think that is you in the books at Norfolk Canyon with the Atlantic BM at 1,093lbs 12oz.
    Sounds like you had some excellent times out on the water.

  38. VaBeachEd says


    I am glad you looked it up, but it was me,( Ed), I was talking to Goldgishin. I have spent many a day on the water and in the woods.

  39. jhawk92 says

    @GoldFishin-we should keep an eye out for Everglades DMPL pucks for each other. It is that one and the 2010 set I need to finish out. There was a 2010 set on the bay a few weeks ago; decent price. I should have bought it as it had Yosemite and that one seems to be tough to find. Alas, that set was gone when I had funds to get it. Still would like to get 2010 in Mercanti, but there may not be full sets of those out there.

    @”Cool” Dave- ideas on how to work emails?

  40. fmtransmitter says

    I got email today saying my refund is in process. Were you all saying that you received same email from Mint but still took months for refund to actually post? Wasn’t clear on what I read. I did call them and give them the tracking number amd datr amd time item arrived. Thry added it to my details in their system and then she said she would shoot them an email requesting to process the refund. Got email next day. Havent checked to see if its back on the CC.

  41. fmtransmitter says

    Speaking of Mercanti, i got a ribbon for my competitive set of Wedge Tail Eagles. Ha. Im the only one in there. Lmao

  42. fmtransmitter says

    Oh boy, just closed on a stunning 1836 over 1336 Capped Bust. Can’t wait to touch her on her breasteses. .

  43. Dustyroads says

    VaBeachEd, So sorry about that, I should have gone with my feelings and checked once more before I started writing. Now that is cleared up…that was a big catch!
    About the heard, if you sell all of them at the end of this year, it will be expensive to get back in at a later date.
    The reason why I bring it up is because I just talked to a rancher the other day who regretted selling off too many of his heard over the past couple of years due to the Texas drouth conditions, now he’s wanting to replenish, but distraught over the expense.
    The price is very good now, but one can never forget about the taxes you will be seeing. You are going to have to sit down with your CPA and come up with a plan.
    Sorry again about the mix up.

  44. Dustyroads says

    fm, Congratulations on the blue ribbon…cool, and the 1836 error….Oh, and watch those fingers, you can hurt those half dollars.

  45. VaBeachEd says

    I can not leave my Dad alone for more than a few days and It is hard to be at the farm for more than a few days at a time. He will be 93 on March 1st. I think the cattle prices will hold for the next 18 to 24 months, but then start going back down. (JMHO) The ranchers out west are finally getting rain and if it keeps up they will have their herds built back in a couple of years. Like coins, supply and demand.
    I might have to sell all of the cattle this year and sell the farm next January, due to taxes, not sure yet. My neighbor, next door, has 192 acres and my 160 acres was once part of his families farm, so he would like to buy it. I live ( VA Beach) about 1 mile from the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel (17 miles across to Eastern Shore), so I might buy a small place (50 to 70 acres) to hunt on and get away from the crowd. Either way I am the last one to look out for my father and he comes before anything else. I don’t want UNCLE SAM to get too much, but I have to do what is best for my father.
    I had a call from the farm this morning and a FROST FREE faucet is broken for the cattle and the ponds frozen. I have a neighbor watching the place for me, but he is older than me with his own cattle an health problems, so now my plumbers fixing it. I hated to face it, but last summer, I saw what I had to do. I only hunted one afternoon and got a big 6 pointer with a 20″ spread. (we count both sides in VA). I still have 146 acres up there, that I have been working on a long term lease (25 to 35 years). They had a two year option on it, so if that goes thru (I still keep the timber and hunting rights) and it looks like it will go thru, I will never see the end of the lease, I will be 64 in 9 days.
    I need to go to sleep and let everyone get back to coins. I know better than get to far off topic in the day and early evening. I hope everyone has a good night and a warm weekend.

  46. Eagle One says

    Does anyone know if the $1 bank note included in the 2014 C&C set has any significant collector value or is it just a generic run of the mill note?

  47. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @jhawk92 says,January 9, 2015 at 11:52 pm
    “@”Cool” Dave- ideas on how to work emails?”

    Yes, one is to post to this blog using a different e=mal address and put a note in it, so when it gets moderated, Michael will see it. I don’t think Michael saw my last post asking him to provide you my e-mail address. Did you by chance see it?

    What ideas might you have?

  48. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @jhawk92 says,January 9, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    The other way is to give you a temporary mailing address and just have you send a cash, insured mail. Once I get that I will know it is you, since any other person sending cash would be taking a big risk . Once you do that, you could post and I would acknowledge when received. You would also put something in the envelope, only you would know, and confirm in a post when asked.

    I also have one more idea that would possibly be better, tell you next time.

    Let me know your ideas.

  49. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Guess that puts another day into the books. Time to sign off now with the National Anthem and then either a long (TV) “beeeeeeeeeeeeee” sound or white noise . . . then disembodied voices talking in that noise.

    Good Night all !

    Mr. “Cool” Dave 🙂

  50. Ralph says

    From the Mint’s website:

    The United States Mint processes all orders on a first-in, first-served basis. Once an order confirmation number is generated, the order is processed in the sequence it was received. Inventory is immediately reserved and the order fulfillment process begins. This includes products with a backorder status once inventory becomes available. Orders placed before the official on-sale date/time are not valid and will be cancelled.

    1. I think we learned they do not fill orders first in first out.
    2. How is it possible to place an order before an item is available? Never understood that one.

  51. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    Spent a little time this a.m. looking at some %’s ~

    – the $5 BHoFs are still showing over sold by 104 coins, is this the most likely result of an accounting issue that will be rectified when the audit is complete, or does an over-mintage happen from time to time? I thought with the move from Indy to Memphis that the number would sync up to authorized mintage by now, though it hasn’t

    – also, the ’13-W Burnished ASE is a key coin considerably for the Burnished coins & ’14 Burnished sales have been (and still ongoing with AUDCS) through the roof, I was wondering why the ’13 hasn’t seen more of an uptick in secondary value, unless the drop in Ag has had an impact (though the ratio of Ag to Burnish pricing has only increased during 2014 and the ’14 coin say its sales strong throughout the year – odd?????

  52. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    Just fyi, thought I’d post it before I deleted it:

    Alice Paul Proof (2012)* 3,505
    Frances Cleveland Proof (2012, 1st Term)* 3,158
    Frances Cleveland Proof (2012, 2nd Term)* 3,104
    Caroline Harrison Proof (2012)* 3,046
    Alice Paul Uncirculated (2012)* 2,798
    Edith Roosevelt Proof (2013) 2,785
    Ida McKinley Proof (2013) 2,677
    Helen Taft Proof (2013) 2,477
    Frances Cleveland Uncirculated (2012 1st Term)* 2,454
    Caroline Harrison Uncirculated (2012)* 2,436
    Frances Cleveland Uncirculated (2012 2nd Term)* 2,425
    Ellen Wilson Proof (2013) 2,407
    Eleanor Roosevelt Proof (2014) 2,381
    Edith Wilson Proof (2013) 2,338 (54 available)
    Florence Harding Proof (2014) 2,147
    Grace Coolidge Harding Proof (2014) 2,043
    Edith Roosevelt Uncirculated (2013) 1,947
    Ida McKinley Uncirculated (2013) 1,943
    Lou Hoover Harding Proof (2014) 1,895
    Helen Taft Uncirculated (2013) 1,845
    Ellen Wilson Uncirculated (2013) 1,826
    Edith Wilson Uncirculated (2013) 1,821
    Florence Harding Uncirculated (2014) 1,434
    Eleanor Roosevelt Uncirculated (2014) 1,379
    Grace Coolidge Uncirculated (2014) 1,355
    Lou Hoover Uncirculated (2014) 1,338

  53. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    VBeachEd / Goldfishin / Dusty – just want to echo Dusty’s sentiment, I enjoy reading the past/life experience you all share as well, adds a new dimension to your input and perspective. I think very highly of some of you all out here and continue to learn a lot, so make no apologies for it.

    Some bleachermonkey will always spout off having an issue with it though unless they’re providing value out here for the rest of us, though just blow that off. So far, MNB is off to a very civil and informative 2015 start…,

  54. cagcrisp says

    @Keep Calm & Stack On, I Always thought it Ironic that So Many were complaining about the Mint Re-opening the Silver BHOF coins to meet the 400k limit and yet I’ve haven’t seen the same Ire for the Mint Overproducing a Hard Deck Limit of 50k Gold. Ironinc isn’t it. Those complaining about the Mint doing the Right thing on the Silvers and yet No One complaining about the Mint doing the Wrong thing and producing more than the Limit on the Golds…

  55. jeff says

    That would be despicable but not overly surprised the mint has lost all control of their mandates. I would wait for the full yearly audit before I would suggest an over production occurred.

  56. Ralph says

    Interesting: On the product page for gold coins, the ER proof is missing. But, if you click onto the block ad at bottom of page for last chance 2014 FS, it is there???

  57. Dustyroads says

    KCSO, Good morning… I think the `13 burnished ASE’s will have to gain a reputation before they will see a price increase, plus, they are everywhere right now at reasonable prices. They quite possibly may be the one’s that many should have grabbed when cheap, but didn’t. Then again, maybe their low mintage is not significant enough for a big jump in price….regardless, it’s still the key. If you’re anything like me, having the key is cool, even though the masses may not be clambering for it at the moment.

  58. Dave SW FL says

    I would guess that the mint would not post the E.R. FS Proof until the 7 days after the last delivery has expired. And anyone ignoring the delivery requires UPS to try 3 X and then hold 5 days before returning to the mint. So it could be a while before they can be certain of “sold out ” status.

    We’ll just have to be patient as I am sure they want to get em ALL sold.

  59. thePhelps says

    I think the 13′ burnished will take time to evolve. The series is pretty new if you look at it… starting in what o6 or 07? It hasn’t really had a huge following. Too many people see the coin as simply a bullion coin with a mint mark on it. Which might also be hurting the sales overall. I picked up a couple extra when I had a chance – for future trades etc…

  60. OSU-fan says

    A friend of mine returned 8 ER proof coins yesterday. They should be available sometime next week at US Mint.com

  61. Hidalgo says

    @Keep Calm & Stack On and @thePhelps – the 2011 – S American Silver Eagle burnished coin from the 25th Anniversary American Silver Eagle set is the key to the burnished ASE series. Its mintage is just 99,892. Uncertified coins are selling for approximately $180 – $200 on the secondary market.

  62. Hidalgo says

    Correction: uncertified coins are selling for approximately $150 – $175 on the secondary market.

  63. Mark Rex says

    Hi guys. I have a couple quick questions. I know I need to address a few responses I got from my last post and I will but something has me concerned. Today I recieved my first ever PCGS graded 5 oz puck, the 2014 Arches NP First Strike MS69DMPL Mert Signed and it seems odd. First the grade, a while back I ordered a APMEX Mint Direct tube of 2013 White Mountain pucks that months later my wife who is blind accidentally opened. All of these coins seem to be better grade/condition and just as if not more proof like than the Arches I got today. The Arches coin has spots and a nick in the field below the ‘A’ in Arches. I don’t understand how it could grade 69 but I’m just a semipro grader lol. I don’t want to call the company out by name in case I’m wrong unless a bunch of you call for it. I’m going to be looking into their exchange policy in hopes of getting a better one. I got it for $175 which I though was a great deal plus I got to earn eBay Bucks and a now expired gift code so if I do get a refund I’m out the eBay Bucks and lose the money from the gift card (that can’t be used anymore) so that sucks as it really only cost about $150 after credits. As I said this is my first graded puck and another thing throwing me off is the front label with the “First Strike, Coin Desp, Mert Signed” are not lined up with the label on the reverse with the “PCGS” words. Another red flag for me was I ordered it 3 weeks 2 days ago and finally got it today. They told me they were low in stock and awaiting for more to come back from PCGS. I asked and got no answer but from my understanding PCGS will only give First Strike to coins submitted within 30 days from their release and I’m pretty sure that time had long passed. Am I just being to paranoid about things? Guess I’m worried about counter fitting. Tell me I’m nuts. I’ll try to find a way to post pics. Thanks in advance, Mark Rex.

  64. jeff says

    San Francisco is not the same as West Point two different coins, S is not considered Burnished just the W

  65. Eagle One says

    Mintages for the most recent burnished Silver Eagles.

    (includes burnished W minted Silver Eagles issued in Dollar Sets)

    2011-W 409,766
    2012-W 230,872
    2013-W 222,097
    2014-W 249,297

    2013 W is the key but very difficult to find without spots.

  66. Hidalgo says

    Re: the 2011 S American Silver Eagle for the 25th Anniversary Set….

    I guess it’s a matter of interpretation and classification. The US Mint press room release clearly states that the 2011 W and 2011 S American Silver Eagles (ASEs) in the set are “uncirculated.” Anyone looking at the surfaces of these coins would classify them as “burnished.”


    PCGS considers the “burnished” ASEs to be the uncirculated collector versions (W mint mark), along with the 2011 – S from the 25th Anniversary ASE set.


    Further, there are coin collectors who consider the 2011 S ASE from the 25th Anniversary ASE set to be “burnished” as well. Check out this thread:


  67. Hidalgo says

    Re: the 2011 S American Silver Eagle for the 25th Anniversary Set….

    I guess it’s a matter of interpretation and classification. The US Mint press room release clearly states that the 2011 W and 2011 S American Silver Eagles (ASEs) in the set are “uncirculated.” Anyone looking at the surfaces of these coins would classify them as “burnished.”

    PCGS considers the “burnished” ASEs to be the uncirculated collector versions (W mint mark), along with the 2011 – S from the 25th Anniversary ASE set.

    Further, there are coin collectors who consider the 2011 S ASE from the 25th Anniversary ASE set to be “burnished” as well.

  68. fmtransmitter says

    Mark, you are learning the shady side of the business. Your coin is legit, I assume, but that doesnt mean you get what the label says. Also
    you will get your eBay bucks back if issued a refund. The seller sounds like a seller, not a dealer, as they would have known not to say they were waiting to get back from PCGS. Now going forward I would recommend not having a trigger finger, read every single thing said in the ad, ONLY buy with pictures of the actual coin, good pics, and then ask questions of the seller before you buy and see what kind of response-communication they have. Also feedback. Welcome to the hobby.

  69. jeff says

    Mark, If your not satisfied send it back that’s all that matters. I’m not an aficionado on grading either however if I notice a problem on a coin it magnifies the problem holder or not. I know its a hassle but at that price seemed a little high. best regards keep searching.

  70. GoldFishin says

    @Mark Rex- I need to know more about where you bought it. I have bought from almost everyone in the U.S. you can imagine. If it is from another country I would need to see some nice resolution photos.
    I have also bought from almost every major seller on Ebay. If you tell me more, I may be able to help you with it. I bought a couple of the Arches graded 69 dmpl a couple months back and they weren’t the greatest dmpl in the world, but dmpl nonetheless. There are different levels of Deep mirrored, but as long as they meet the minimum standard they are still dmpl. I can tell you from personal knowledge that the 2011 issues had some of the best mirrors of any year. You could use them to shave with if you wanted to, or for the ladies put on your eyeliner. A small nick here or there is not uncommon with 69 dmpl pucks.

  71. thePhelps says

    Hidalgo – you are correct the S is a burnished coin – I think the difference is it was part of the Anniversary set and is unique in and of itself because it is the 1st ever issued from the San Fran mint. That said, it isn’t part of the series of burnished ASE coins annually released by the mint. Those are the W mint marked coins that are annually released now as part of the dollars set or a stand alone coin.

  72. GoldFishin says

    @Mark Rex- FMT gave you good advice about trying to buy items that only have pics of the actual coin. I know that is not always possible for large volume sellers, but make sure they have return privileges before you buy. I also bought the Mercanti label Arches, but only because I could get them for the same price as the regular flag label. They weren’t the absolute best quality dmpl, but I was still happy with the quality. It is good to be skeptical, you should always stay that way. I have done the same thing you did, and compared fonts on labels and compared them to other coins I have with the same year, same label. I suspect that the coin you have is ok, but if you are not happy with it and you can return it, I would do so. Some sellers may block you from future purchases, but if they do that, you don’t want to buy from them anyway. Whenever I have returned coins I am always very polite and in most cases have received better condition coins in return. If it is a seller I am unfamiliar with, I frequently communicate with them upfront and ask for the best quality possible, so they already know that if I receive a coin sub par it will get returned. Oh, I forgot what I started out to say. You can abbreviate the seller’s user name or use a few letters if they are a large volume seller, I can most likely figure it out. If you don’t want to call out the seller, I think that is very ethical of you and maybe the right thing to do in this instance.

  73. VaBeachSteve says

    @ Jhawk & cool Dave – I think it would be easy for you guys just to post your EBay handle and communicate that way. I believe that’s allowed.

    @ Cagcrisp- as a holder of a few HOF $5 coins, I will be throwing a fit later if the final mintAge goes over 50k. But I agree with Jeff that we need to wait for the final tally first. I’ve actually picked up a couple of 70’s on the Bay at very reasonable prices ($525- $540 range). I believe these will be long term winners

  74. Eagle One says

    In order, the only Silver Eagles that you should own…..

    1995-W 33,100 (PR)
    2008-W 42,000 (Rev07)

    2011-P 99,882 (RP)
    2011-S 99,882

    2013-W 222,097
    2012-S 224,981 (RP)
    2012-S 224,981 (PR)
    2012-W 230,872
    2013-W 235,689 (RP)
    2013-W 235,689 (EP)
    2014-W 249,297
    2006-P 250,000 (RP)

    2011-W 409,766
    2006-W 466,573
    2008-W 533,757
    2007-W 621,333

  75. Eagle One says

    Just curious, how does everyone feel about the PCGS Silver Eagles graded with the “WTC Ground Zero Recovery” designation?

  76. Erik H says

    Eagle One saysJANUARY 10, 2015 AT 8:07 PMJust curious, how does everyone feel about the PCGS Silver Eagles graded with the “WTC Ground Zero Recovery” designation?


  77. VA Bob says

    Mark Rex – Seems like the TPG’s want people to buy the label and not notice the coin. It’s all subjective and they certainly don’t spend much time grading bullion.

    I’m also a bit skeptical about PL designations. It’s one thing if the coin has smooth surfaces. Take for instance the 2009 UHR, it has a mild burnished field. To me PL’s in this case could only indicate worn dies, yet these go for mad money. There are better indicators of a good strike for this coin (such as distinct Lady Liberties navel, this would fade after so many strikes). ATB’s do have smooth fields, but why would they become less proof-like after multiple strikes. Can you tell I don’t care for these TPG invented titles? Personally, not a lot of faith in TPG’s, too many examples of their antics to ignore.

  78. Eagle One says

    Actually, I find them very historical and significant. To hold a Silver Eagle that survived such a devastating tragedy is so symbolic. Kind of like Lady Liberty emerging from the rubble. To hold one is a very moving experience. Especially if it is dated 2001.

  79. Tinto says

    TPGs have so many labels and probably more to come unfortunately. BTW does anyone know how many types of labels each of the 2 major TPGs have issued?

  80. Bernie in FL says

    @The Real “Cool” Dave

    Thanks for info update. My CPA had never seen a 1099K when it first came out in early 2014. He did his research and got back to me with so so Misinformation.

    I called PayPal today to get a definitive definition of the word “Payments”. As in previous posts everyone is saying $20,000 AND 200 “Sells”. But that is incorrect!!! Paypal makes the correct wording as $20,000 And 200 “PAYMENTS”, not Sells.

    They define “Payments” as ANY incoming Payments you received regardless if it was a Sell or Not. They consider a Payment as any Payment from anyone for anything regardless if it was a Sell or not.

    For example a Payment would, and is, a simple payment received from anyone for any reason. NOT just for ebay or off ebay sales.

    I Know I did less than 200 ebay and off ebay sells for 2014, but Paypal included for example a Payment sent to me from a friend for taking care of Tanking up his car. It was for $24 dollars, but was charged one “Payment”.

    So for those of you that are close to 200 sells, do NOT forget to add in the Payments you may have received form Family and Friends. As they will be counted toward your Total Payment Count…………

    Here is the Hyperlink to the Official definition from the Paypal web site:


  81. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @GoldFishin says, January 10, 2015 at 5:37 pm
    “@Mark Rex- I need to know more about . . . ”

    “A small nick here or there is not uncommon with 69 dmpl pucks.”

    I would agree with GoldFishin’s response 100 percent.

  82. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @Bernie in FL says, January 10, 2015 at 9:36 pm
    “@The Real “Cool” Dave”

    Bernie thanks for the info, as well. What everyone needs to remember is — it doesn’t matter what Pay-Pal says or does. It is more important to be concerned with how the IRS views the individual situation ; providing the Pal issues a correct Form 1099-K.

    What is important is how everyone accounts for the information on the Form 1099-K. The government is primarily concerned with getting its fair cut. Thus — here it comes again, “depending,” on how you account and report that information and/or income to the IRS is what is key.

    So, for example, if you have 22K shown on Form(s) 1099-K and $2,500.00 is for money you forwarded to your daughters account to pay tuition, you would not report that as a sale in your accounting. You would however report, $19,500.00 less your cost (say, 19K for example, as cost) and then report a gain of $500.00.

    Oh, however don’t forget to report that Puck that was graded 69 DMPL, but had a few nicks and you ended up taking a loss of $50.00 on it — LOL!

    Disclaimer: My post not to be construed as offering, accounting, tax, or legal advice. You should contact your own tax, accounting or legal advisor for your particular situation.

  83. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Bernie note:
    “I called PayPal today to get a definitive definition of the word “Payments”. As in previous posts everyone is saying $20,000 AND 200 “Sells”. But that is incorrect!!! Paypal makes the correct wording as $20,000 And 200 “PAYMENTS”, not Sells. ”

    This what Pay-Pal says and not the IRS. Pay-Pal says that because it’s not their place to determine whether or not that $2,500.00 tuition money transferred to the daughters account was a sale or not a sale.

    “New IRS regulations require all businesses that process payments to collect a Tax Identification Number (TIN) or a Social Security Number (SSN) for all * sellers with more than 200 transactions in a calendar year, and to file a Form 1099-K for all sellers with more than 200 transactions and $20,000 USD paid to them* in a calendar year.”

    The term “seller” (or sales/sell) is the operative word here for the IRS — The term “transaction” is the operative word for Pay-Pal.

    Disclaimer: My post not to be construed as offering, accounting, tax, or legal advice. You should contact your own tax, accounting or legal advisor for your particular situation.

  84. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    “Disclaimer: My post not to be construed as offering, accounting, tax, or legal advice. You should contact your own tax, accounting or legal advisor for your particular situation.”

    My lawyer makes me say this — even though a “blog” is by its very nature opinion oriented as in:

    “a Web site on which someone writes about personal opinions, activities, and experience”


  85. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Guess that puts another day into the books. Time to sign off now with the National Anthem and then either a long (TV) “beeeeeeeeeeeeee” sound or white noise . . . then disembodied voices talking in that noise.

    Good Night all !

    Mr. “Cool” Dave 🙂

  86. Hidalgo says

    I was checking to see if any there have been any Eleanor Roosevelt First Spouse uncertified gold proof coins that sold recently on eBay. I saw none. The eBay auctions that the sellers posted recently were closed without sales. It makes me wonder if these sellers who intended to flip their coins for a quick profit may have returned them to the US Mint for a refund within the 7-day window period. If so, those who missed out on buying the proof coin should have a chance to own one (or more).

    Bottom line: keep checking USMint.com for the availability of the Eleanor Roosevelt First Spouse gold proof coin. They may re-appear when you least expect it…..

  87. Rick says

    As I said, I returned all three er proof coins of mine. A friend of mine returned at least 6 more. Under 10 x loupe, these look 69 or 68.

  88. Larry says

    A quick look at sold listings on the bay shows the C&C set is now up to right around $40.00 in OGP! Hard to believe the best investment coin from the mint for 2014 is a Sacawagea that came out of nowhere! A 280% increase ain’t bad.

  89. Hidalgo says

    @Larry – it’s clear that as the available secondary market supply declines, buyers are willing to pay more for the enhanced uncirculated coin. How far the price increases will depend on how much buyers are willing to spend for the coin.

  90. Tinto says


    The Sac C&C gave me the most thrill in years when it comes to coin collecting …. thanks to MNB and the folks that post here I would have never known about it until it was too late (as usual). Nothing hyped or over hyped or way over hyped like the JFK 50th ann. …. the collectors discovered it for themselves. And the bonus for me is that EU Sac is actually going to be part of the small number of EU coin types I already bought from the Mint …

  91. Hidalgo says

    @Tinto – expect to see a lot more enhanced uncirculated and reverse proof offerings from the U.S. Mint in the future. The U.S. Mint now has another “finish” it can offer to the public – thereby increasing the number of coin variations it can sell.

  92. Bernie in FL says

    @The Real “Cool” Dave

    Thanks again for the Info. I appreciate any help and enlightenment on this subject!

  93. Larry says

    @ Hidalgo, or maybe not. Look at the two matte finish Jeffersons. Since then, there have been no more matte finish coins, at least that I can remember. If history shows anything, we really never know what the mint is going to do.

  94. Tinto says


    Yeah, I hope they limit the offerings … can’t afford too much stuff anymore .

    The Mint hasn’t had a Mint Director for quite a while .. I just read on the online Numismatic News (article date Jan 9) that the Mint has appointed a new Deputy Director, Rhett Jeppson.

    And Dick Peterson is being moved over as Deputy Director for Manufacturing and Quality … hmmm maybe the screams of frustrated buyers who got cr*p quality products have been heard …

    Don’t know if it is against the rules on MNB to post a link ..

  95. fmtransmitter says

    @Eagle One: IMHO I would add a few SEs to your list. 86 PF for obvious reasons, 94 PF, and a cpl others. Any ideas on the HR coin this year? Wouldn’t it be awesome if they hire Mercanti to design it? Hmmm…

  96. fmtransmitter says

    It is a Medal so I think you can be a retired former Chief Engraver since no monetary value but also as we have seen, the new designers use computers and Mercanti is old school so I could see, and hope, he is at least a contributer to the design and a current Mint designer puts it on a hard drive…

  97. says

    Has there been any more chatter in regard to a 2015 reverse proof set? While this sounds like an interesting and desirable offering, it would mean another reverse proof Kennedy immediately on the heels of the first one. The ’14 Kennedy RP would, therefore, no longer be unique.

  98. Hidalgo says

    @Hawkster – here is a Coin World article dated August 7, 2014 on the 2015 reverse proof set. Based on the article, it seems like it’s a “Go” for the U.S. Mint. I presume that 1,000s will be sold. They will be of interest for the novelty of the set — I doubt they will be rare. Dealers will buy them, have the coins certified, and sell them at high prices (especially for “70” graded coins).


  99. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    “matte finish” with respect to “in an elegant hardwood box” doesn’t count, unless we’re now collecting boxes and bags 😉

    Tinto – it was good, regardless of the finish, I hope the mint keeps the subtle surprises coming!

    NGC/PCGS Members – are the Sacabuck grades tucked away or hidden somewhere in the respective population reports?
    I can’t find the grades for the Enhacenced Sacabuck anywhere and was looking to pull the numbers, it’s been like 6-7 weeks since the release…

  100. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    PCGS ~
    2014-S 50C Enhanced – Silver 50th Anniversary Set, DMPL, 68-2; 69-33; 70-30; Tot: 65

    NGC ~
    2014 S SILVER 50C, HIGH RELIEF, SPEHD (DPL), 68-1; 69-223; 70-710; Tot: 934

  101. Hidalgo says

    @Keep Calm & Stack On —

    Matte finish refers to a special type of finish found on some US Mint coins. It’s the same type of finish that was and is being used on some paper-copy photographs. (On photographs, it prevents fingerprints from appearing (unlike glossy photos)). I believe all of the American Buffalo one ounce gold coins have been minted with a matte finish, but I could easily be mistaken.

    I have access to the PCGS population reports and the NGC census. However, I do not see any listings for the 2014 D Native American enhanced uncirculated coin. Possibly, it is too early for both organizations to post their data. NGC will sometimes take its time before it posts updates.

  102. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    ’14 DMPLs ~

    2014 25C Great Smoky Mtns NP 5 oz Silver, DM, 69-336
    2014 25C Shenandoah NP 5 oz Silver, DM, 68-1; 69-270
    2014 25C Arches NP 5 oz Silver, DM, 69-315
    2014 25C Great Sand Dunes NP 5 oz Silver, DM, 68-1; 69-648; 70-1
    2014 25C Everglades NP 5 oz Silver, DM, 67-1; 68-2; 69-285

  103. Eagle One says


    Regarding the Reverse Proof Set…

    I could truly appreciate a one-time Reverse Proof Set in Silver. But, the additional production of a Clad Reverse Proof Set sounds like more toxic waste is on the way. Additionally, they should have waited for the ATB Quarters Program to have finished before doing this. Now we will have one year of ATB quarters at random that are reverse proofed and nine years that are not. I perceive this as poor planning. Furthermore, I can’t wait to see the ATB quarters be gone. Statehood Quarters, US Territories, and now the National Parks – I’m so freaking burnt out on the quarter dollar circus that I cringe when ever I look at my change as I think about all the money I wasted collecting Statehood Quarters. I would sure like to see the quarter dollar go back to the standardized heraldic reverse design. JMHO.

  104. A&L Futures says

    For those wishing to track population figures for the recently released Sacabuck (via PCGS), simply add a version of each (e.g. Position “A,” or “B” to your Registry. It’s the easiest way to track them.

  105. Hidalgo says

    @A&L Futures – are the numbers for the 2014 D $1 Native American dollar that you posted inclusive of the Enhanced Uncirculated finish? Or are they exclusive?

  106. says

    Eagle One,
    I completely agree with you in regard to the one year and out reverse proof set planned for 2015.
    While seemingly a good idea, it will be strange to have one random year of five reverse proof ATB quarters. Additionally, I brought up the point that we will have two consecutive years of Kennedy reverse proofs. So much for a unique, one year Kennedy reverse proof.
    In 2005, halfway through the state quarters program, the Mint decided to come out with satin finish specimens in the uncirculated sets. So, now we have half the state quarters from the unc.sets with the satin finish and the other half with the regular finish. Sometimes you have to wonder about the decision making in the Mint offices.

  107. GoldFishin says

    @KCSO- NGC hasn’t released any population data as of yet. The Early Release cutoff date was 12-24-14. I think, but not sure, it is normally around 30 days after the cutoff date before they release census numbers, but you probably know more about that than I do.

  108. says

    A 2015 proof set will, in addition having one random year of ATB quarter reverse proofs, also have one random year of reverse proof Presidential and Sacagawea dollars. Pretty odd. Of course this is assuming the Mint does the complete set in reverse proof.

  109. thePhelps says

    Hawkster… the Kennedy RP will be 2 years of unique coins. 2014 Kennedy a Higher relief coin and the 2015 will return to the standard relief. I’m no fan of the planned RP set…I see no point in it.

  110. says

    Speaking of wondering about decision making at the Mint, I wonder if this will be the year they return to looking like they know math and how to count and give us our 30th ann. ASE? I think the last time they used real math was 1995 for the 10th… I’m thinking .9999 gold Enhanced Uncirculated Eagle with edge lettering copies of signatures of Adolph Weinman, Ronald Reagan and John Mercanti. Also, change back the U in United States to a capital, what was that all about?

  111. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    “The Mint hasn’t had a Mint Director for quite a while .. I just read on the online Numismatic News (article date Jan 9) that the Mint has appointed a new Deputy Director, Rhett Jeppson.”

    Wow — that is interesting, especially in light of the e-mail I sent to R. Peterson, on 06, January.

    However, I am still waiting for a response? I am still also waiting for an order from 05, December.

  112. Tinto says


    I guess it’s okay for me to give a link to the article itself


    Here’s some quote from that article … maybe he will instill some discipline to the US Mint

    “Jeppson was previously the Acting Chief Operating Officer of the Small Business Administration and as an Associate Administrator for Veterans Business Development. Prior to that, he served 24 years in the U.S. Marine Corps. “

  113. says

    I’m also not a fan of a reverse proof set. Reverse proofs are fine with certain coins in silver and gold, but do we really need RP presidential dollars, Lincoln cents and Jefferson nickels?
    If the Mint is really intent on making a RP set, why not do it with the 2015 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set? Wouldn’t that make more sense? Of course the mintage limit would have to be raised from its present 50,000 to a higher level to accomodate greater customer interest in such a set.

  114. Eagle One says

    On the RP Set….

    I’m thinking they should shelve the RP Set until the ATB Quarter Program ends. When the Quarter returns to normal is when the RP should be used. Also, it will give them time to figure out what to do with the Kennedy half. An Allan Sheppard or Neil Armstrong half would be great IMO. Does anyone know when the ATBs and Presidential Dollar programs expire?

  115. Erik H says

    I wouldn’t mind a reverse proof cent in 95% copper, a nickel, a silver quarter with the original 1932 design, or a $20 gold eagle with or with out motto reverse. Other than that. .. no thanks I have enough reverse proofs.

  116. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Hey all —

    Be careful about opening links a I picked up the following:

    This threat is part of the Win32/Chroject malware family. This family of threats can use your PC to perform click fraud. They run in the background and use a significant amount of your PC power and network bandwidth. This can severely impact the performance of your PC, the speed of your Internet connection, and may lead to excess data usage charges from your Internet service provider.

    I noticed it before my Virus program, as if you turn your speakers to about 60%, you can hear it rapidly clicking. And my hard-drive on my notebook running over, also my resource meter registered it running.

    Click fraud When a malicious hacker makes money by using your PC to click ads. The malicious hacker uses malware to do this in the background, so you won’t see it happening. The MMPC blog post “Another way Microsoft is disrupting the malware ecosystem” explains how click fraud works.

    Command and control server The server from which an operator controls the bot nodes in a botnet. This server acts as the command center for the network.

    Compromised website A website that includes malicious pages or links to malicious content. A website can be compromised with or without the website owner knowing about it. Compromised websites can be used to spread malware to unsuspecting visitors.

    Constructor A program that can be used to automatically create malware files.

  117. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Analyzed the thing. The bastard — now lets run a little feedback loop through his server, see if we can burn it up, hope it is cooled — LOL!

  118. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    GF – hey I got some responses back and while I’m still waiting on a couple more, it appears they decided to sit on the sidelines on this one. I’m guessing, to your point, that the price adjustment(increase) was viewed as too much of a potential cut to margin and carried too much risk. Or perhaps with the JFK sets floundering (among others), they are carrying too much inventory and choose to shore up the balance sheet (like many of us here on MNB!). I sense I may be in a bit of a pickle now, will give a shout out as I know more. Just learned a big lesson in how unpredictable this hobby can be, just when you think you have a plan!

  119. GoldFishin says

    @KCSO- for some reason they went all in on Shenandoah, Arches, and GSD and didn’t touch Smoky or Everglades. I thought for sure after what happened with Smoky they would be all over Everglades after they saw the first weekly sales report. Learned a lesson indeed, they don’t pay much attention to current market sales data. Your point about being overextended on the JFK offerings is a good one and I hadn’t really taken that into account. I know they took a lot of losses on the aforementioned pucks, so I guess I should have seen it coming. I have a backup plan, but not sure I have the money to execute it. Pretty sure I don’t. I need to shore up the balance sheet also. 😉

    @RCD- I am going to beeeeeeeeeeeeee out early tonight…. going to crash with the white noise sound and disgruntled disembodied dallas cowboy fans voices crying over a horrific call fading into the white noise 😉

  120. Dustyroads says

    Mr cool Dave, Do you use Internet Explorer? If so, may that be the problem? Are you still using the IE 6? IE 11 is available, but may not properly upload, then you will need to buy a new OS.

    I get phishing e-mails from time to time wanting me to click on a link and update info. They’re easy enough to spot, so I use them as teaching tools for my kids and mother, who I worry about the most.

  121. Ends in Error says

    ATB Quarters coming to an end? What a shame. Maybe they could put Video Game Heros and Villains on the Quarters as a way to get kids into Coins again.
    What the heck, they put Spouses on Gold Coins. What a waste that was.

  122. Ends in Error says

    Give me an ” enhanced ” 😉 Type 1 2016 Standing Liberty Quarter and I’ll be one
    happy SOB.

  123. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @Dustyroads says, January 11, 2015 at 11:39 pm
    “Mr cool Dave, Do you use Internet Explorer? If so, may that be the problem? Are you still using the IE 6? IE 11 is available, but may not properly upload, then you will need to buy a new OS.”

    What? LOL! No . . . don’t need a new operating system and I do have the latest version of my browser. I am somewhat computer savvy 🙂

    It was/is as I had stated above, nothing more, I just happen to see it, before my anti-virus program notified. Just thought I would throw out an fyi.

    Thanks for the info though.

  124. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Well folks, guess that puts another day into the books. Time to sign off now with the National Anthem and then either a long (TV) “beeeeeeeeeeeeee” sound or white noise . . . then disembodied voices.

    Good Night all !

    Mr. “Cool” Dave 🙂

  125. Larry says

    How about a 2016 Standing Liberty Quarter set, Proof, RP proof, and enhanced unc. Or maybe an Ultra High Relief? Seems to me the mint couldn’t possibly loose with any of those.

  126. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    Larry – just for you ~

    Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee Meeting public meeting scheduled for January 27-28, 2015. Review and consideration of candidate designs for the the 2016 24K Gold Coin Anniversary products (Mercury Dime, Walking Liberty Half Dollar, Standing Liberty Quarter).

  127. Dustyroads says

    Mr. “Cool” Dave 🙂 I hope I didn’t give the impression that I don’t see your… more vast computer knowledge, I do, I just want to help out the best that I can with what knowledge I can possibly do so with.
    Viruses and malicious software are only becoming more prevalent while tools to combat them are at a minimum. I try to do everything right, but I’m afraid that nagging voice in the back of my mind warning me will never end. This is the world we now live in…

  128. Dustyroads says

    KCSO~Think long and enjoy yourself. Remember, there’s always a curve on the road to successes.

  129. cagcrisp says

    Looks like a price Increase is coming for Gold products on Wednesday afternoon. The Remaining 4 fixes Just need to Average $1 ,175.10 OR Above for there to be an Increase (Along with a PM fix on Wednesday)…

  130. cagcrisp says

    silver coins, gold coins, and circus coins…

    How do I pay for these? Raise cash. I raised cash today. Don’t like what I See…

  131. cagcrisp says

    A Gold Standing Liberty Quarter. Dang. I was hoping they wouldn’t do that one. That means Less halfs and Less dimes to offset the Gold quarter. Dang…

    If you want very many of Each……, that’s going to cost some Money…

  132. Dave SW FL says


    You talkin DJIA, QQQ, SPY, XOI, or all the above?

    DJIA & SPY are both showing negative divergences between MACD and RSI with price. You could also stretch imagination and see potential Head & Shoulders on the daily chart if you accept angled necklines.

    I personally think oil is getting close to bottoming, but I try to avoid falling knives and thus will wait it out.

  133. cagcrisp says

    @Dave SW FL,

    Raising money to pay for silver coins, gold coins and circus coins…

    SPY and big Banks. I think the Saudis are Trying to inflict Pain. Not enough Pain that I can see. Oil will stop when Saudi says it will stop and I don’t see the bottom until there is More Pain… Lower and Longer…

    Haven’t seen any White Flags being waved as yet…

    silver coins, gold coins and circus coins…

  134. Dave SW FL says


    Agreed. The miners forecast the current gold & silver strength.
    Spot gold needs to get and stay over $1400 and silver $26 ( that’s a looooong way) to get a bull charging. Still appears we are basing. Platinum looks really dead.

    To buy or not to buy FS Unc gold before the increase. I am on the fence.

  135. Tinto says

    How about a Type 1 Standing Liberty quarter in high relief in 5oz size … I’d buy that in a heartbeat

  136. thePhelps says

    cag…aside from the gold, silver and circus coins…

    I saw an article on the web indicating a Saudi Price doesn’t see oil over $100 in the future again. That said, it also looks like the long term goal is to inflict pain to multiple parties. The Prince indicated cutting production doesn’t make sense – since other producers would just fill the void right now – so they would get burned on both fronts – lower prices and lower production. (kind of why OPEC originated to try and control all that and now other players aren’t in OPEC)

    I also think they realize that high priced oil leads to breakthrough developments in batteries – engines – and ??? The fact is if they kept oil artificially high they were/are going to push technologies harder and in the long run cut their own throats.

    So we’ll have to sit back and see what the long term goals actually are…

  137. Tinto says


    I just read somewhere that Chevy’s going to introduce a new EV vehicle the Bolt in the next few years, with a range of 200 miles and maybe priced around 30k.

    I think the genie’s out of the bottle when it comes to alternative sources of energy for vehicles … and nothing the Saudi’s can do to put it back in the bottle.

  138. cagcrisp says

    @thePhelps, I saw what the Prince said and Agree… IF you have seen some broadcast with the Prince and in the background you see CNBC on a Flat Screen TV. That tells you something.

    High prices cure High prices………..

    Pertaining to………..

    silver coins, gold coins and circus coins…

  139. says

    In regard to your suggestion for a 5 oz Standing Liberty quarter:
    The ATB quarters work in the large, 5 oz. size, especially the ones that depict sweeping images of the National Parks. Of course, theses scenes are on the coin’s reverse. On the other hand, the Washington obverse takes a while getting used to, many feeling that it has a token-like quality.
    Could a 5 oz. Standing Liberty quarter maintain its dignified appearance in this large size? That is the question I have.

  140. Dustyroads says

    As for our own glut here in the states, if the dollar were to weaken some we should see exports pick up. I think, if I’m not wrong, that would depend on the economy in Europe and if there is to be any intervention from the central banking system there.

  141. Tinto says


    The only way to find out how the 5oz will look is for the Mint to make a life size mock up of it I guess. As for the ATB working in large sizes, I have to say some like the Perry or the Saratoga do not made the grade ….

  142. thePhelps says

    Hawkster… I think some of us are hoping for a less than dignified Type 1 Standing Liberty…large and in full display of her beauty.

    The reverse might be a little on the light side with a flying eagle – that would become huge on the 5 ounce coin.

  143. Brad says

    Dave SW FL,

    Yeah, I guess we have to make a decision on the First Spouses before the price increase. I’m leaning towards going ahead and picking up a few more (probably 5) Eleanor Roosevelt uncs before the price goes up. $125 is $125. With only around 2,400 proofs, the uncs must be a few hundred lower than that. I’m still sticking to 1,600.

    I guess I’ll make my final decision when I see the new sales numbers. I thought we’d have them at some point today, but the excel spreadsheet hasn’t been updated yet. Heck, all they’ve done so far is delete the “Availability” Y/N column on the website and the spreadsheet too.

  144. cagcrisp says

    @Brad, “but the excel spreadsheet hasn’t been updated yet”.

    Shouldn’t be hard to Update. There isn’t much selling outside the ASE…

    Think they could count ’em on fingers and toes…

  145. says

    The Phelps,
    Would that mean that you’d like to see Lady Liberty’s type 1 bare breast in a larger size and in higher relief with a 5 ouncer?

  146. GoldFishin says

    @Cagcrisp- pertaining to silver coins…I am waiting with anticipation the numbers on the glades SP pucks. If you get them, could you post please?
    pertaining to gold coins -I do pay attention to slanted h&s patterns and gold broke a reverse h&s pattern on dailys today. There has been some real nice base building in gold for the last six months. I’ll be watching for futher advance and a retest of the neckline. $ seems to have hit a brick wall at 92.4 and has a unorganized H&S, but still indicates strong resistance.
    Pertaining to circus coins, I kind of like the idea of changing up the boring Mint Proof sets with a couple of enhanced or RP designs as long as it is a one off and the Mint doesn’t turn their new website and offerings into PT Barnum Central. 🙂

  147. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @Dustyroads says, January 12, 2015 at 11:21 am
    “Viruses and malicious software are only becoming more prevalent while tools to combat them are at a minimum. I try to do everything right, but I’m afraid that nagging voice in the back of my mind warning me will never end. This is the world we now live in…”

    Oh no, I was just annoyed at the whole virus thing, it might have (my annoyed thing) came across in my post (no worries). I would not say my knowledge is vast, though — LOL!

    I did however, at the time, think exactly what you posted above, though. 🙂

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