2015 Jacqueline Kennedy First Spouse Gold Coin

Today, June 25, 2015 at 12:00 Noon ET, the United States Mint will begin accepting orders for the 2015 Jacqueline Kennedy First Spouse Gold Coin. In anticipation of higher demand for the issue, the Mint has established a maximimum mintage that is triple the figure established for this year’s other releases from the series.


The obverse of the coin features a portrait of the First Lady designed by Susan Gamble and engraved by Phebe Hemphill. The inscriptions include  “Jacqueline Kennedy”, the motto “In God We Trust”, “Liberty”, the date and mint mark “2015 W”, the order of the Presidency “35th”, and the dates served “1961-1963”.


The reverse of the coin was designed by Benjamin Sowards and engraved by Jim Licaretz. The design features an image of the saucer magnolia that Mrs. Kennedy chose to be planted in the White House garden and near the eternal flame at her husband’s grave at Arlington National Cemetery. The petals stretch across the globe, with its tips connecting the points of some of her most notable diplomatic visits. The inscriptions include “United States of America”, the motto “E Pluribus Unum”, the denomination “$10”, and the precious metal weight and purity “1/2 oz. .9999 Fine Gold”.

Within the design selection phase, both the Commission of Fine Arts (CFA) and Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee (CCAC) had recommended the selected obverse design. The CCAC had recommended the selected reverse design, while the CFA had offered support for a theme of the arts and another alternative featuring an image of the First Lady with her son John on the White House lawn. Coverage of the design discussion meetings as well as images of other design candidates can be found here and here.

The Jacqueline Kennedy First Spouse Gold Coins are offered individually in proof and uncirculated versions, both struck at the West Point Mint. The coins are initially priced at $790 for the proof version and $770 for the uncirculated version. These prices are based on an average price of gold within the $1,150 to $1,199.99 range. The price of the coins may be adjusted weekly based on changes in the market price of gold.

A maximum mintage of 30,000 has been established for this release across proof and uncirculated versions. Customer demand will be used to determine the ratio of proof coins to uncirculated coins produced. As mentioned, this is triple the 10,000 maximum mintage level established for the other 2015-dated releases of the series.

The US Mint had announced the higher mintage for the Jacqueline Kennedy coin back in October 2014, citing the possible impact of the release of the 2014 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar Gold Proof Coin, which still remains available for sale. The Mint suggested that customers seeking to make special Kennedy gold sets using both of these coins might drive a sharp increase in demand.

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  1. says

    Well I am buying one proof at noon mainly to avoid the dreaded “out of stock” waiting period after the first batch sells. I like the design and the subject matter, and this will be my only First Spouse gold purchase.
    I am predicting sales of 10,000 on the first day, which would be very impressive for the First Spouse series.

  2. Ends in Error says

    Nice Coin but not so nice price. Demand for the Bronze Medals should be sky high. How will the Mint react to that demand? How quickly will the Medals sell out and how many will they end up minting?

  3. gary says

    If this coin even reaches a 20,000 mintage it will be one of the most common within the FS series. The availability of the JFK gold half just might goose sales of both coins!

    The saucer magnolia on the reverse is pretty but the allegory of the touching petal points to mark Jackie’s important diplomatic visits is not immediately apparent to the average viewer and make incredulous with several points landing in the North and South Atlantic Ocean!

  4. cagcrisp says

    I hope you guys that are purchasing at the “opening bell” will post TIME and ORDER number. I still like to do analysis of these offerings. Thanks in Advance…

  5. cagcrisp says

    I’ve got a Friend that I am buying one for. As yet I have not determined whether it will be a Proof or Unc. I’m looking at Buying at Exactly 1 hour after the Opening Bell and I will post my sales number at that time. All this depends on what kind of “feel” I get from reading different posts. AS Always there are people on here that I Really respect their posts and inputs. Some of you guys that I really don’t ever call out, I still enjoy reading your posts and your inputs…

  6. says

    I am in for one proof and one uncirc both. This is a nice excuse to grab an ounce of gold for me and will complete my mini-collection of all the Kennedy related products that have been released for the last two years. I think the coin is definitely above average for the First Spouses in terms of how it looks as well.

    As to how it will sell… well, who knows. I think the mint’s increase of maximum mintage will cause something of a self-fulfilling prophecy as people inclined to gamble will not want to chance missing “the next big thing.” I think the initial batch will sell fast and I think after that, sales will slow down. I don’t think a complete sellout will happen, but we’ll probably see sales way above average for the spouses.

    I agree with Ends in Error on the medals as well. Those are headed for a sellout.

  7. Brad says


    Yes, that’s the way I see it playing out. I’m sure there is only a small fraction of the 30,000 mintage limit that is actually ready to go right now. I guessed 7,500 last night (25%), broken down as 5,000 proofs and 2,500 uncs. If the initial batch is that small or smaller, then the coins may go to the seemingly endless “back order” status fairly quickly. While the Mint allows for a much higher mintage, I just can’t see them minting too many at the start until they have more confidence in how demand will go.

    As far as the medals, I’m definitely going to get my Kennedy Coin & First Spouse Medal set at the opening bell. The prototype picture has been posted on the website, and it looks really nice. It will definitely sell fast. While there will probably be 15,000+ made of that one, I’m still buying it early just in case. Those sets have had sporadic and sometimes short-lived availability periods. I noticed this morning that the Truman set is “currently unavailable” again. There may be a third batch, but there may not. We’ve been kept guessing a lot lately.

  8. says

    Hey all, I’m looking forward to the Jackie O also. My first FS gold that I want to match up with my gold Kennedy. Any ideas or guesses on the ratio of Proof to UNC? I’m guessing UNC are maybe 1/2 to 1/3 of Proof. But the proof Jackie will sure be a nice match for the Kennedy gold. What has the past precedent been with the FS coins? Thanks!

  9. says


    I agree with you in regards to the initial mintage, though I think 7,500 might even be too aggressive. I think it could be as low as 5,000. I also plan on buying the coin & spouse medal set as soon as it becomes available, though I regret that’s not today – would be nice to group all my purchases in one go.


    My guess, based on absolutely nothing, is somewhere between 20,000 to 22,250 proofs and 7,500 to 10,000 uncirculateds assuming the coins hit a sellout or come close to a sellout.

  10. Brad says


    Yeah, I initially started to guess 5,000 too. I thought more about it though, and figured 25% of the maximum might be a safe place to start in the Mint’s mind. I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

    That’s an interesting observation, Darek. I hadn’t considered the possibility that the Mint might debut one or both coins as already backordered from the start. I hope that changes quickly!

  11. a Bob says

    I’m not buying this one. You will be able to pick it up for the cost of a Martha in the not too distant future.
    Also the got her nose wrong.

  12. Joe #2 says

    Jackie was in a class of her own. Don’t compare her to Martha Washington. I think they did a good job on her nose. You have to be from the “old school” “The Kennedy years” to appreciate this one.

  13. Boz says

    The early ones like Martha are actually not that common because 90% of them were melted down during the great recessionary gold rush.

  14. Tinto says

    I see the backorder notice in the Wish List too for the proof. With no HH limit is it possible the big boys have already put first dibs on the proof, enough to trigger the Backorder notice? Or is it done to make sure the big boys get their big orders while small fry folks who might have ordered first are left to pick up the scraps from this first batch ..

  15. Brad says

    Order #USM03343XXX. I hope like HELL they are joking about that “expected in stock date” of September 1st for the proof!

  16. says

    Backordered for me, too. I got my order in just before 12:00. Not thrilled this thing is in a backorder phase already, but we’ll see if it’s just the mint’s ordering system sorting itself out again or indicative of a long wait ahead.

    On the other hand, no ordering problems! So that’s good news.

    Surprised at how quiet the comments are here. Maybe sales for this will be low after all.

  17. says

    I was in at about 3 seconds after noon and it said “back order” until Sept. 1st. Are we to believe they did not have any proof Jackies available at launch? This is an outrage!

  18. TMMSR0127 says

    Order # USM033437XX. Clean and easy order. I do not believe that the Proof is already on back order (Although anything is possible with the mint) I prefer to believe (or hope) that there is a glitch in the system stating that the JKO is on back order.

  19. Leo S. says

    FS Collectors

    Logged into the Mint at 9AM (CA time) and the Jackie O proof was already on Back Order. I was done with my order by 9:01. How could the Proof be on back order if I was on the site at exactly 9AM (12AM eastern standard time???? Looks like the COIN SHOW companies have a back door to the Mint.

  20. says

    Order #….3884 at 12:05. Refreshed the site at 12:01 and it started at the back order status…….nice job Mint. Never ever saw an add to cart notice. HSN must have tied up the site with their usual 1,000 callers.

  21. Tinto says

    The proof was already shown as Backorder even before 12 noon EST … it was reflected in my Wish List … but the Unc is good to go … if there is a system glitch wouldn’t it affect both the proof and unc offerings ?

    Wonder what it is gonna be like when the Truman C & C rolls around ..

  22. Louis says

    The sales counter in DC is very busy. Just called them and there is a long line. Herd mentality I guess.

  23. Brad says

    It would be interesting to hear from those guys who live close to the Mint sales counters to see if the Proofs are available there. If they are, that would represent a good opportunity for them to make some money on these. Those “First Strike” or “Early Releases” aficionados would probably fork over a good premium to get the coins in hand now.

  24. Tinto says

    Could be some of those lining up at the Mint sales counters are employees of resellers too ..

  25. Louis says

    They were so busy that they would not talk much and seemed unsure if the proofs are available. When they have lines, you can’t ask to pick out the best one from their supply, so it’s about the same as buying online apart from shipping. I am debating what to do. As stated before, gold might be down next week, but the initial supply could be gone and we may be in backorder purgatory!

  26. Louis says

    I really don’t see a lot of profit potential in these. I would like one because I like it and the theme.

  27. art says

    It appears the mint has not yet manufactured the proof Jackie for whatever reason. This coin showed backordered right from the very beginning of sales.

  28. Ends in Error says

    Hello US Mint.

    All your customers are growing to love you even more as each day goes by.

    Oh and thank you for the upcoming C&C Sets. I know I won’t have a ghosts chance in hades of getting even one from you but the thought of them being out there on the shopping channels is comforting.

    Thanks again. Hope the Jackie Proofs are in good hands.

  29. Brad says


    Did you buy an Uncirculated coin too? My order is “processing” because of that. However, the proof coin on the page displays a price of “$0.00”, as all backordered products do now until fulfillment.

  30. Blair J. Tobler says

    off topic – Is the Mint still doing the High Relief Silver Medal? I no longer see it on the Product Schedule.

  31. Louis says

    Blair- They are doing both the gold coin and silver medal, but there is no release date and the medal may come out next year. The Mint told me the web site listing was a mistake.

  32. TomP. in Va says

    When did the McKinley and Edith Roosevelt F.S. proof and unc. get removed from the Mint’s catalog? On Micheal’s latest sales report they were shown to be still active.

  33. Louis says

    CC- No, I was responding to Blair’s question on the HR Liberty medal, not the jackie coin.

  34. art says

    Tom P. in VA, I mentioned the disappearance of McKinley and Edith Roosevelt at least 2 or 3 weeks ago in a prior blog. This weeks numbers must be some kind of adjustment. Maybe Mint store sales numbers?

  35. cagcrisp says

    @Louis, Gottcha…

    The Unc Jackie in Not Listed as BO yet, however, at about 1253 EDT it was listed as “September 1st”

    I purchased my One proof for my friend Exactly 1 hour in: 3344xxx… Approx 1500 orders in One hour from the earliest number I have found on monitoring different blogs…

  36. cagcrisp says

    I guess everyone has different expectation, but unless there are some Large orders, I would think 1,500 sales numbers in 1 hour would Not be very good… It’s probably better than any recent FS coins but from what I am seeing it sure does Not warrant 30K limit…

  37. Tinto says

    Will the Mint pull this “Backorder before it’s even put up on sale” trick with the HR Liberty?? Or the Truman C&C?

  38. Ikaika says

    Is it possible the proofs will be minted on demand? No reason to be backordered at the opening bell.

  39. mark says

    Hey U.S Mint…lf you want to sell product. Have them in stock….do not tell everyone to put your order in now and we will ship them much later. Better plug that hole in your boat. Its been slowly sinking and about to go under.

  40. Ends in Error says

    In order to sell 30K Jackie Coins the Mint needs coverage on Network News this evening. It’s looking like an instant sell-out of the proofs is all part of an evil plot. LOL

    Now if only there is excitement at the Mint HQ sales counter . Baltimore thugs arriving by Bus to rape rob and riot?

  41. Louis says

    Following the RCM model? Order now and will will get them to you in a few months. They can’t say they did not expect good demand at the start so the reason for no proofs and apparently so few uncs is hard to fathom.

  42. Tinto says

    If this was a regular business would the Mint be able to pull this stunt without it blowing up in their faces? Probably the high volume buyers got a lot of the goodies, with a smattering of fulfilled orders here and there for the regular customer so it won’t look too much like favoritism to the big boys ….

  43. D Rittenhouse says

    Leo S. said:
    Looks like the COIN SHOW companies have a back door to the Mint.

    I would call it a side door, but the Mint calls it the Bulk Purchase Program. Big Boys are allowed to buy First Spouse gold coins in bulk at a 5% discount from what you and I pay. Must be nice. 🙂

  44. mark says

    Thats why I never buy graded coins from the big boys. I have seen plenty of their graded 70s coins that I would have gotten a 68 or69 grade.

  45. says

    It’s interesting that no one else has posted an order number. I am starting to wonder if this piece has completely flopped… though on the other hand, the uncirculated first batch sold out really fast, presuming it was in stock to begin with.

  46. Larry says

    HSN guy must have a web server right outside the mint so he can order in microseconds after 12:00.

  47. mark says

    How about a ordering limit on all products for the first day. They would still sell all the new hot items, they have in stock. And then figure out how many more to produce by backorders.

  48. Ends in Error says

    Hello. I’m a Mint Junkie. I thought I was going to sit this one out but at the last minute the addiction took over. Anyway I thought I’d order a couple BU’s just so I could pick out at least 1 good one and return the rest.

    All the excitement got me going to the point I threw in some Proofs to the mix. I ended up with 3 separate orders – 2 BU’S – 1 BU &1 Prf – 2 Prf’s. Well I just checked my Card and all 3 orders are now processing.

    Yo, I think I just got beat by a good head fake.

  49. Jeff says

    The mint does not care nor will respond to anyone’s complaints. They really don’t care that’s why I don’t buy from the mint. I buy from eBay that’s the way to go. I said it before boycott the mint do not buy the cheese their selling.

  50. Boz says

    I have gone thru the first 1000 I purchased in DC earlier and I am now returning 975 of them so you guys can have my rejects! Only 25 graded a 70.
    (Kidding of course, but it could happen). I wish these greedy people would get a real life. Go to Afghanistan and build a school.

  51. art says

    Jeff you have a point. I’m still stunned that the Mint gave me a credit for only one out of two FS coins I returned to them the beginning of the month. When I call them, they note what I say, escalate the issue supposedly, then tell me I’ll be receiving a phone call back in a couple of days. I’ve called 3 times about this and get the same story each time. Not one phone call. Nothing. Zero. I now have a credit card dispute going on. Now that’s what I call Customer Service at its finest!!

  52. says

    First email said “You should receive a confirmation E-mail in the next 24 hours with more details.” Second email just said I bought with nothing about it being backordered.

  53. Billy the kid says

    Ordered the Jackie Kennedy gold proof at 12:15 Arizona time.

    The woman I spoke with said the coin is “on back order, but the mint is expecting more coins next week.”
    Very curious indeed. #0334….

    Billy the kid

  54. Tinto says

    Just visited the Mint’s website ….I didn’t know companies can advertise there … just saw one by Coca Cola on their Essence festival ……

  55. gary says

    Since the proof versions are generally the best sellers of the 1st spouse coins I would;’t be surprised if a consortium of several big pig dealers got together and bought out all of the 1st available ones so they could then make a killing on the overpriced slabbed coins.

  56. gary says

    Just got an invitation from MCM to buy 5 Truman C&C sets next week and flip to them. Did anyone else get one of their emails?

  57. James James says

    I think gold is really awesome to collect and invest in. But stocks are better.

  58. Tinto says


    Yeah, those dealers will get their First Strike, Early Release, etc. labels while it seems non big dealer customers are looking at a Sept. 1 availability ….. effectively missing out on those labels (if they wanted one, that is) and who knows maybe some of the available ones in Sept might include dealers’ rejects to the Mint …. not a nice feeling … hopefully the Mint doesn’t pull this trick with the Truman C&C and the HR Liberty and the 2016 offerings

  59. Leo S. says

    D. Rittenhouse

    I was on the MInt site at 12 noon and 10 seconds and on the First Spouse page in 2 seconds more and the Proof Jackie O was on Back Order at that time. That means that all of them were gone in 12 seconds. That seems impossible. The Mint must be allowing big buyers to get their coins before the legal time or somebody ordered a very large quantity in under 12 seconds. Something is rotten in Denmark

  60. fmtransmitter says

    gary says
    JUNE 25, 2015 AT 3:40 PM

    Just got an invitation from MCM to buy 5 Truman C&C sets next week and flip to them. Did anyone else get one of their emails?

    me too…

  61. fmtransmitter says

    I called but no one answered, had to leave a message…That is a first so because they invited their entire email list, which is govmnt BTW, I will order MY 5 sets and KEEP them because that tells me they will be a winner!

  62. fmtransmitter says

    @Leo S: That has been going on for years! The Mint sells BEFORE release dates to Dealers all the time! They deny it up the whazoo, which they don’t deny BTW…There is not one thing anyone can do about it. Many have complained, or asked for explanations, you will NOT get one. They do what they want and market and SELL their product how they want…

  63. fmtransmitter says

    * I meant “they CAN deny it”…but I have never ever heard them deny or admit to it…Just no answer at all..

  64. mark says

    Hope everyone gets their Kennedy Spouse. Hopefully its just a glitch. But see what happens when there is a household limit. The big boys come begging from us.

  65. says

    Another possibility is that the first batch of Jackie proofs had a quality control issue and they had to be remade. I can’t believe that they would offer UNC and not proof on opening day or that the proofs were pre-sold to dealers. But we may be able to tell more from the Tuesday numbers. Just speculation on my part.

  66. Two Cents says

    Jon H, let us know what you think of the Unc Jackie as soon as you receive it!

  67. Leo S. says

    Art –

    Don’t feel bad, I am still waiting on an order I ordered in March that never got sent. They have billed my CC. Had to call twice to get them to send me the “Never received the order Form”. Sent it in April first and called last week to see why not refund yet on my CC. Was told the dispute could not be resolved at the local level and it was sent to HQ. They said to call back at the end of June to find out. I’ve been ordering from the Mint since 2007 and have never sent anything back of claimed that I have never received another order. Seems being a very good customer does not count for anything.

    Good luck with your order.

  68. Ends in Error says

    My 3 BU’s are processing. The 3 Proofs are on backorder. I think the 9/1/15 instock date for the Proofs is just a “placeholder ” date. The Truman and Eisenhower Coins sold out fast and were back in stock really quick. Although it’s possible the market has been cornered by a few Dealers and only their rejects will go to us latecommers.

  69. GoldFishin says

    It won’t be difficult to find out which, if any, dealers got a deal on a bulk purchase. They will be the first sellers on Ebay with a whole bunch of them. Maybe it is all just shenanigans to create a false sense of demand or something else, as someone once said, “time will tell”.

  70. gary says

    @FM… it’s not the first time that MCM paid collectors to buy from the Mint for them. The 2011 special ASE five coin set was another. That tipped me to just buy 5 sets and flip them myself.

  71. mark says

    MCM still shows a expected ship date of 06/30/15 for graded Kennedy spouse golds. They need to update their web page. Unless they know they have them coming.

  72. a Bob says

    Boz, I would like to know where you read that 90% of the Marthas have been melted. Not a chance.

  73. cagcrisp says

    Here are some Guesstimate numbers:
    Approximately 800 Mint orders in the 1st 8 minutes. Approximately 700 Mint orders in the Next 52 minutes. Approximately 1,500 Mint orders in the Next 5 hours….

  74. art says

    Leo, my unaccounted-for return was a $770 coin. You would think that would get someone’s attention. Like maybe there’s a dishonest employee. Or some type of serious mistake or incompetence going on with something of such high $$. From now on I want the exact weight of my return recorded somewhere as content proof when I bring a box to UPS. I’m also a long-time customer. I was wondering if you tried to dispute the credit card charge.

  75. Ends in Error says

    a Bob

    I find it hard to believe all this melted stuff also. Although it would make handling so much easier. Instead of handling so many different Coins wouldn’t it be so much easier to just melt them all into a big assayed ingot?

    I know I still have my Martha W Coin. I don’t like it at all, maybe one day I’ll try to make gold leaf out of it. I saw that done once – it was a cool thing.


  76. says

    As a previous commenter pointed out, you really need to be old enough to have lived through the Kennedy years to truly appreciate the Jackie FS. For the two generations that followed after Camelot, I don’t believe the Jackie gold is special.
    Louis: I would guess that if we had a photo of the people buying Jackie at the Mint store in DC there would be a lot of gray-as in gray beards and gray hair.

  77. GoldFishin says

    @cagcrisp- with the number of orders you presented, if the US Mint is intent on selling all 30K, like they have been with the JFK gold, Jackie may be around for a long while, unless they throw the loyal FS buyers a bone and end it abruptly after several months of availability. I can’t imagine that happening, but anything is possible. I am thinking I might be able to pick up a 69 grade below issue price at some point.

  78. Jafmidtx says

    @cagcrisp – There were 2,894 orders between my first one at 12:03 and my last about twenty minutes ago. Have to guess about how many before my first one.

  79. fmtransmitter says

    The BIN price is $425.
    @gary: yes, that was right before I got in this hobby. I agree, just buy 5 to pay for yours or keep them all. I know they want all five because I asked about getting them 4 and they said no. They want to get them graded asap (the RP Truman zinc thingy) and see what they are grading at. I know the EU Sacabuck didn’t grade 70 that much, as well it shouldn’t have, it was a MS enhanced. This is a R PROOF so I see many many 70’s and big dealers wanting to them slabbed and graded and then SIT. That is what you do on such a low mintage first. You get as many as you can and sit and slowly raise the price as HSN guy says. He says it all the time, I will ALWAYS have the EU Sac on sale, just not for this price. Then the hype wears off and the price drops back down. This sure is a fickle hobby and with the growing number of younger people, they want it and they want it now and are willing to pay for it. Is what it is. Then you get a little older, a little wiser, and play chess….

  80. fmtransmitter says

    art says
    JUNE 25, 2015 AT 6:17 PM

    Leo, my unaccounted-for return was a $770 coin. You would think that would get someone’s attention. Like maybe there’s a dishonest employee. Or some type of serious mistake or incompetence going on with something of such high $$. From now on I want the exact weight of my return recorded somewhere as content proof when I bring a box to UPS. I’m also a long-time customer. I was wondering if you tried to dispute the credit card charge.

    Did try video taping the packing of the item and sealing with a clear shot of the label then for proof the scale is correct weighing something on it that everyone knows the weight to like a silver eagle then putting the box on the same scale in the same shot all sealed with a newspaper showing the date then video taping the hand off to the shipping department, say a UPS Store. You could do it all inside the lobby with the store owner present to verify…

  81. mgm says

    Mark do you have a link????????/

    mark says
    JUNE 25, 2015 AT 6:22 PM

    L&C COINS …Pcgs pf70 FS…KENNEDY $975.00..SHIPS IN 2 TO 3 WEEKS.

  82. Leo S. says

    Art & Fmtransmitter

    If I get no satisfaction from the HQ office, a credit card dispute will be my next stop. Or I could call my Federal Representative and I’m sure they will take care of it for me. Those guys are always ready to help out us middle classer aren’t they? Ho. Ho.

  83. Boz says

    Silver town melted thousands back about 4 years ago. There was a news release on coin world back at the time. Perhaps somebody can post the link. FS coins were not going anywhere on the collector market, same as now. It was a big profit for them and others as it gold was more than double what the early FS coins sold for. A quick 100% profit enticed many others. I for one melted down all my 84 Olympic coins. If I had not, who knows how many decades I would have to wait for collector value to approach those figures.

    When something like that happens, unfortunately, no numbers are kept. Sure we have the starting sales from the mint, but they are now meaningless.

    One thing that does happen though is that the highly graded coins are kept, thereby skewing forever the ratio of hi grade coin population vs ungraded ones.

  84. Ends in Error says

    A little OT but I just bought a Candy Bar from a Vending Machine at work and I got 2 very brilliant Quarters in change. Well they were Blue Ridge – Denvers ! Out of curiosity I fed in 4 more dollar bills to see how many new Quarters were in there. They were all super blazer Blue Ridge D’s.

    So looks like that report from a few days ago was very valid. These couldn’t have been from the BU Dollar sets recently sold by the Mint.

    The Tunnel has a really cool depth to it. I’ll certainly be getting the 5 oz Puck
    version of this Coin.

    fyi – I’m in Detroit in an Auto Plant

  85. Jerry Diekmann says

    Well, I bought my one and only FS proof 1/2 oz. gold coin today. I remember JFK and Jackie very well and the televised tour she gave of the White House, the only chance many Americans would ever have to see the interior of their home during the Camelot years. This coin is also I believe a nice tribute to Susan Gamble, who designed the coin – I believe she passed away last year. One question I have – I ordered the coin on the first day it was offered, and the coin’s design and mintage was announced last year, yet I receive a notice that the coin will be available on September 1, which is over two months from now. You would have thought that the Mint would have struck at least half of the approved mintage by now, so the coins could be shipped right after they were ordered. For the life of me, I can’t understand the thinking process, if there is indeed one, that goes on at the Mint nowadays.

  86. Ends in Error says

    When you see the Proof mintage down below the BU mintage, and 90% of Proofs in First Strike Plastic, held by Dealers – you will understand.

    Definitely some funny business is going on.

  87. thePhelps says

    @Hawkster… I think the Jackie thing is the equivalent today of Princess Diana… a great looking young couple (ok I forgot Charles was in that picture). I was never a great fan of them but always thought she was very pretty, and had to suffer through the tragic death of her husband. That raised her to saint hood for some people… to me it was tragic but she wasn’t all that… I think people fixate on the death of a young person such as Kennedy and elevate all around them regardless.

    I bought zero Kennedy golds and zero Jackie FS…

  88. Joe #2 says

    Tired of the games… A coin should be on “back order” when launched because the’re selling it to the “big “boys… ridiculous…. Cancelled order…

  89. fmtransmitter says

    @End in error: Which plant, I grew up there? You don’t have to answer, just curious…:)

  90. fmtransmitter says

    @Leo S: Get this one, I went to school and earned my right to drive ANY vehicle no matter how large. Commercial Driver Licence. Well, this state passed a law and said if you are not using it then you MUST downgrade to a regular one. I wrote my Rep and said that is wrong because there are a bunch of fees I had to pay for the endorsements I EARNED. When they downgrade me, I did not receive any sort of refund on hundreds of dollars in fees. Rep did ZERO to help me. Simply ignored my email(s) on the matter. The lady at the DL place knew what they were trying to do, and that is charge you multiple times so I said that to her and she basically agreed without saying it and said she would let me keep my old DL with a cut along the edge as proof I had the endorsements if I ever needed them because I know if I hadn’t kept it, they would say I never had them and make me take all those classes and tests and charge all the fees again.

  91. fmtransmitter says

    So all this talk about gold, I don’t buy…What is new on the silver front? I saw spot was slipping back down again. Roller coaster ride. I think Gold spot should be at about $800 per ounce and silver should be at at least $35. I would like to to meet the folks in charge of setting these prices…I know for a fact that dealers get the stuff at a much discounted rate and sell coins based on MELT period! I have seen it over and over on invoices. It is tracked purely by weight and nothing else. They pay a nominal premium over spot to the Mint’s for ANY coin to sell, pay the fees associated with Trademarks etc, cut the Government in on putting their name on it and charge us accordingly.

  92. fmtransmitter says

    Now when I say that I mean moderns only. Classics are in a different league…

  93. fmtransmitter says

    The 2 ounce Privateer with the HR wave of 3D is one of the most stunning designs I have ever seen and I truly give credit to the makers of these. I wish they were coins though. There is a new one coming out and I look forward to getting it as well. Collectors are awesome IMO, because they buy what they LIKE and when a coin is minted in a very special and high end way, the buyers will let them know by buying many many, Gov coin or Private mint, doesn’t matter. I know we all have our own tastes and buy what we like. I have had to write down what I want to keep with and remove some of the other ones I wanted from my buy list. Eventually it comes down to focusing on a certain thing to chase. Beginner to advanced…

  94. Ends in Error says


    You’re from here? Congrates on getting out. I came here in ’09 when they shut down Newark Assembly (Chrysler)in Newark , DE . I’m now on Mound between 8 and 9 Mile where we crank out Ram 1500’s something like 350 days a year.

    I’m here in Warren working. Living on the northern fringe of Detroit ( big mistake) experiencing first hand living with the more lawless element.

    One day soon I’m hoping to get out of this hell. But when you can work 7/12 the job can consume you to the point where nothing gets done away from work. Mostly because you’re always at work.

  95. cagcrisp says

    @GoldFishin, I guess a Question to be answered is How many went out the door to Bulk Orders that are not included in the Normal Mint Order numbers. Looks like the Mint’s new policy on Gold is to Sell what you Mint. I would agree that IF they do 30k that they will be around for awhile. Something just tells me that they will Not mint the total limit…

    @Jafmidtx, Thanks for the Sales numbers. We are pretty much in agreement on the total Sales numbers…

  96. bob r says

    I give up on this crap shoot from the mint. It is a set up for the few to make much cash, and the rest to wish. Time to go back to 19th and early 20th century coins along with trying to avoids the counterfeits…

  97. Jerry Diekmann says

    I think an audit of the Mint’s sales practices is in order. Something is very wrong if there are NO FS coins available on the first day of sales, after everyone has been on notice for months that the sale date and mintage limits have been set. If all the coins have gone to the big dealers and the TPGs, then that is just plain corruption and collusion, and it needs to be stopped immediately. Why is the Mint allowed to operate the way it does? Is there anyone in the Mint management who has any honesty? Who owns the Mint anyway – the American people (taxpayers) or the greedy dealers and their TPG accomplices? I have never, and would never, buy any modern coin that has been slabbed by any TPG – that would be anything since 1965.

  98. Ends in Error says

    I would think that the Coins are put in the control of the Fulfillment Center so maybe some underhanded stuff starts with them. On the other hand, the US Mint allows them to do as they please so I suppose they do need to share in any blame.

    With all the corruption going on in our Society I wouldn’t be surprised to find corruption with the US Mint. The evidence is screaming out at us. It’s very hard to ignore it.

  99. Zaz says

    Not to beat a dead horse or to inflame tempers…but be aware of the Truman coin & chronicles set already on backorder. On a lark I added it to the wish list just to see the status. No real surprise there, so on Tuesday there’s going to be another round of kvetching I expect.

  100. Tinto says

    The Mint really doesn’t care about small fry collectors like myself IMO. And even if I stop buying from the Mint and go instead to Ebay or a dealer , it really won’t affect the Mint IMO. I mean their bread and butter are the bulk buyers/dealers etc. and if I buy from them . … I am just substituting one seller with another for the same Mint product.

    Haven’t bought anything big this year from the Mint no gold so far (had thought of the Jackie Kennedy but dropped it when the Mint changed the features from the design) no more platinum …. 2016 will be the last time I buy anything major (to me) from the Mint. (Mark Twain gold and at least the Standing Liberty ) just concentrate on the RP’s and silver proof sets until the ATB ends … and return big one time in 2019 if the moon landing commemorative is approved.

  101. Tinto says


    I just checked it too …. what the F ??? I think power has gotten into the heads of the folks at the Mint ….. I too think it’s high time the GAO and other investigative agencies take a good look under the hood at the Mint and it’s practices ….. something is really off here

  102. says

    Don’t get your undies in a bundle. Probably just a web site mistake or a production problem. Nothing is as good or as bad as our minds trick us into believing. Seriously doubt there is a a huge conspiracy at the mint surrounding first spouse coins. lol

  103. Ends in Error says

    Isn’t there now a Sticker for Moderns? If not there needs to be. The integrity of the 70 grade has been totally compromised. Soon I expect an MS/PRF 65 will be able to get the MS/PRF 70 grade.

  104. Zaz says

    @tinto: probably the culprit is the Mint’s Bulk Order Purchase program. Bet these are the deep pocketed big boys who can easily wire transfer $500,000 upfront prepaid, so like most favored nation trading status, they get to order whatever’s upcoming weeks beforehand, get it on the day of official release so they’ll have TPG slabs a couple of days after official release. Only the releases that can be flipped easily are so targeted by the big guys. The numbers should tell the story on Tuesday.

  105. Ends in Error says

    Thank god I’ll have the return option. I’ll put in a note – stick these crap coins where da sun ain’t shining. .. sonny boy.

    Damned Mint scammers and their Dealer friends are starting to p me off.


  106. bigboy says

    someone made a comment about no Jackie gold on ebay,also looked very odd always preorder stuff on there all the time,most of the time from the dealers.

  107. merryxmasmrscrooge says

    I don’t like their Jaqueline Kennedy design so I’m not going to buy it. Kind of disappointed.
    The drawing looked good, but transferred to a coin she looks quite angry.
    Her eyes look as if she’s pointing a gun saying, “US government, why did you
    kill my husband?” Message from the grave

  108. Louis says

    I really have to disagree with this whole conspiracy argument. Think about it. If this were true, how would anyone who is not a “big pig” dealer ever be able to get something like the BHOF gold or the 2011 25th anniv. ASE set? And how come I got my first batch of MOD sets before lots of dealers? I am not familiar with all the details, but I do not think every product is sold through bulk sales, and not thing before the official release date. I think it is mainly annual sets that are sold that way. Plus as I have said many times, every other mint in the world gives dealers a much sweeter deal than ours does.

  109. A&L Futures says

    FYSA – the U.S. Mint has updated its 2015 Product Schedule with dates for the remaining Coin & Chronicles Sets

    6/30/2015 — 2015 Coin & Chronicles Set – Harry S. Truman
    8/11/2015 — 2015 Coin & Chronicles Set – Dwight D. Eisenhower
    9/15/2015 — 2015 Coin & Chronicles Set – John F. Kennedy
    10/2015 — 2015 Coin & Chronicles Set – Lyndon B. Johnson


  110. Brad says

    Yeah, I’m sure there’s no conspiracy here. It is frustrating that the proof was immediately backordered, though. But, maybe if the price of gold goes down in the meantime a lot of back orders will be cancelled and re-ordered for the lower price. That’ll teach ’em not to have the coins ready on launch day!

  111. says

    I’ll just chime in and add my voice to the side that thinks there’s no conspiracy to ship coins to dealers first. The mint has long been known for selling products they haven’t yet actually produced. This isn’t the first time it’s happened and won’t be the last.

  112. Tinto says

    Has the Mint said anything on the “Backordered before it went on sale FS proof”?

    The silence (to me) is deafening and only feeds the speculations/theories on why this happened. This was not a minor release IMO and to have the Mint keeping quiet for so long is puzzling and to me this shows at least managerial shortcomings/incompetence over there. The only way to know for sure as to what is really happening at the Mint is to have then audited/investigated thoroughly by folks who are impartial and not sympathetic to the Mint. IMO just because they are making money doesn’t mean they should be exempt from being investigated, at least it will clear up the air on their inner workings and their shortcomings corrected, publicly. All IMO

  113. Zaz says

    New dates added to the Mint’s schedule for third quarter:

    7-02 Blue Ridge Parkway 3-coin set
    7-07 Blue Ridge Parkway 5oz unc coin
    7-09 JFK Coin & Medal set
    7-16 JFK coin cover
    7-21 2015 Uncirculated Presidential $1 set
    8-11 Eisenhower Coin & Chronicles set
    8-18 Lyndon B. Johnson $1 rolls & bags
    8-27 Lady Bird Johnson FS gold coin
    9-03 LBJ Coin & Medal set
    9-15 Kennedy Coin & Chronicles set
    9-17 LBJ coin cover
    9-21 2015 FS Medal set
    9-30 Bombay Hook ATB quarter rolls & bags

  114. Dave SW FL says

    Hear, hear, Tinto! The lack of a press release clarifying the reason the coins are back ordered is just inexcusable. I fear the managerial incompetence is going to have a large negative effect on the hobby. And don’t try to blame it on their shipper – Mint management is responsible for ALK aspects of their ” service.”

  115. thePhelps says

    Bulk Purchase Program

    Numismatic Bulk Purchase Program (subject to product availability)

    Under the current terms and conditions of this program, a five percent discount is applied to all purchases of $5,000 or more of qualifying coins and products. Additionally, a shipping and handling charge of one percent of domestic orders and two percent for international orders will be assessed on each order processed.
    •First Spouse Gold Coins
    •United States Mint Proof Set®
    •United States Mint Silver Proof Set®
    •United States Mint Uncirculated Coin Set®
    •American Eagle Gold and Silver Proof and Uncirculated Coins
    •American Buffalo Gold Proof Coin
    •United States Mint America the Beautiful Quarters Proof Set™
    •United States Mint America the Beautiful Quarters Silver Proof Set™

  116. Louis says

    Zaz- No, only went to the media. I know the #’s but Michael will want to announce this here.

    Phelps- Thanks for the info. But the fact that anyone who spends $5K at a time can do it means you don’t need to be a “big pig” dealer. Don’t some of you folks here spend that much on one order? Also, no sales before official release, and I am sure of that.

  117. Ends in Error says

    Well I suppose that Bullk Coin Purchase Program explains a lot of things. But with the clause ” subject to availability” there would be no excuse to allow Dirty Dogg Dealers to suck off the entire day 1 inventory . There is the 30 day ” First Strike ” window to consider, for those into that, and to allow Dealers to block access to that , is just dirty.

    Where is the explanation? It needs to be really good.

  118. thePhelps says

    Louis… a little more info…

    To purchase numismatic products through the Numismatic Bulk Purchase Program, an applicant must attest to the fact that it is one of the following:
    •a licensed full-time “coin dealer” (any state-licensed firm or company engaged in the commercial sale of coins via storefront, coin shows or online)
    •a licensed business involved in the precious metals or numismatic coin industry
    •a licensed retailer, bank, credit union or other financial institution willing to expand its business into the numismatic coin industry

    All applicants for the Numismatic Bulk Purchase Program must meet the qualifying criteria and complete and sign a Bulk Purchase Agreement Form and a Bulk Purchase Registration Form. Additionally, all applicants must submit a copy of their current business license or state resale certificate. The United States Mint will review applications and notify applicants of acceptance or rejection within 30 days of receipt of their application.

  119. art says

    You should file the credit card dispute right away. There are usually time limits for filing a dispute of a credit card charge. Don’t wait.

  120. Goat says

    The average person just don’t qualify for that deal with $5000 to spend , it’s the person paying fees and mega taxes for being licensed that qualifies .
    Still not got my MOD order placed 5/12/15 just wondering if any of the later orders have been filled USMxxxxx536 . Thanks

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