2015 Kennedy Half Dollar Bags and Rolls

Today, February 12, 2015 at 12:00 Noon ET, the United States Mint will begin accepting orders for bags and rolls of circulating quality 2015 Kennedy Half Dollars. These coins feature the restored original 1964 Gilroy Roberts image of President Kennedy.

Last year, standard recurring numismatic products including the Kennedy Half Dollar had used the modified modern portrait of President Kennedy. Later in the year, the US Mint underwent the process of restoring the original obverse portrait design for use on the coins included in the three special 50th anniversary products. Beginning this year, the restored portrait will be used across all numismatic products.

2015 Kennedy Half Dollar

The products available today include 2015 Kennedy Half Dollars struck at the Philadelphia and Denver Mint facilities, bearing the “P” and “D” mint marks respectively.

A two roll set includes one 20-coin roll from each mint and is priced at $32.95 per set. The coins come in US Mint branded wrappers that include the “P” or “D” mint mark of origin along with the “$10” face value.

A 200-coin bag is also available containing 100 coins from each mint, priced at $139.95 per bag. The mint sewn bags are marked with the “P” and “D” mint marks and the “$100” face value.

There are no product limits or household ordering limits indicated. Earlier this week, the US Mint released circulating coin production figures for January, showing 2.3 million half dollars struck each at Philadelphia and Denver. As is always the case, the US Mint may strike additional coins at any time during the calendar year.

Last year’s 2014 Kennedy Half Dollar bags and rolls have sold out, even as the higher profile 2014 50th anniversary products remain available for sale. Last year, production for circulating quality half dollars was 2.5 million pieces at Philadelphia and 2.1 million pieces at Denver. Last reported sales were 30,331 of the two roll sets and 12,967 of the 200-coin bags.

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  1. bg35765 says

    One of these bags was my biggest coin related home run of 2014/15. I bought some bags of S quarters and when they were delivered the box seemed really heavy.

    The reason it was is because in addition to the quarters, PBGS had given me a 200-coin bag of half dollars. $100 face value!

    I didn’t open the bag of quarters or the box that the bag was in and just held onto it. I recently sold it for almost $220 on ebay. That would be a rate of return of….infinity.

  2. Mark says

    Hawkster…I would if i had one. But i sold it last month…Bought it 2 years ago for $4500 cash….did nothing to it…sold it for $8000

  3. cagcrisp says

    You guys that wanted a Ronald Reagan dollar and Nancy Reagan FS Gold coin….you are going to get it….

  4. cagcrisp says

    SO……….That is just One more Gold coin to crowd out all the other Gold offerings in 2016…

  5. Mark says

    Hawkster…And who said boats were not a investment. Friend of mine got his boat for free,,,Put maybe $1000 into it ..Fished out of it for 8 years almost every Sunday..And just sold it for $2000

  6. says

    Cagcrisp,
    Just think: Several years from now we might have a Bill Clinton FS coin.
    O.K. fellow posters–no political commentary necessary.

  7. Dave SW FL says

    Hawkster,
    I think that’s another ” blown” call!
    Hillary will certainly outlive the end of the series.

    Oh, I’m sorry. I forgot they can now do whatever they please.

  8. Ralph says

    Confusing: The Mint has the 2014 First Spouse Medal Set listed as both “Back-ordered” & “OOS”.
    Huh?

  9. Larry says

    When did the prices for the US Marshal golds come down? I must have missed it. Either way, it is looking better, $460 for the three piece set.

  10. Louis says

    Has anyone seen any #’s on how many spouse sets were sold? I can’t find it on the Mint site or CU.
    I was going to grab one for myself and one to sell last night and for some reason hesitated.
    99 is the product limit for single purchase of any item on the site, it is not the number they have.
    Try ordering anything over 99 and it will reduce it to that. So i don’t get how some of you determined
    how many were left. Anyway, I think these are coming back because they have not been on sale very long, and
    they still have sets from previous years. Unless you guys snatched them all up!

  11. says

    Louis.
    Good point. There are commenters on MNB that excitedly initiate countdowns for the remaining quantity of popular Mint offerings. How the heck do some our fellow commenters determine the numbers that remain for an offering?

  12. mark says

    So you have to always put 99 in your cart. If it goes through, it means they have more than 99 available. If they have less than 99 available, in red it will say. Please reduce the amount in your cart to 86, or what ever.

  13. says

    I always get a good laugh whenever one our commenters gets a countdown going on a popular Mint coin offering. It pretty much reminds me of the TV coin hucksters, who impart a sense of urgency by telling you how fast their product is selling out. But, not to worry, remain on the phone and we will honor your order.

  14. fmtransmitter says

    @bg35765: Expect a knock on your door soon from US Officials looking for missing inventory.. 🙂

  15. fmtransmitter says

    @Hawkster: I was almost to the point of starting to record tiny spots where they out and out LIE on air and start posting the Lie and the TRUTH on the tube but I don’t have the time, maybe when I’m older and retired. I bet I would get a good bit of following from new hobbyists..

  16. mark says

    Wonder how many order canceled orders are happing today on the marshal gold coins. Due to the price drop.

  17. CasualCollector says

    @Hawkster
    I agree about the laughable countdown numbers for those TV hucksters — seems like they are creating a false sense of urgency for their viewing audience…

    However, this countdown on the US Mint site seems legit. The only question is whether they are done minting the product in question (that is the wild card). But the count down does seem to be legit for what they currently have ready for ordering (or backordering). You just have to ask if you think they are done after that quantity is gobbled up…

  18. Ikaika says

    Needless to say, in order to initiate a countdown one needs to be checking the mint’s website frequently to catch that moment.

    @ Larry

    I also noticed the price reduction for the gold Marshal coins. I think it was adjusted yesterday. I purchased the 3 coin proof set. That is pretty much it for me. Waiting for the ATB’s now.

  19. says

    Casual Collector,
    I have no doubt in regard to the Mint’s countdown being legit. It’s when our commenters share the countdown that it starts getting funny. Do our fellow commenters do it as a sort of public service to the Blog readers? Or, do they do it to hype a Mint product they have already purchased in hope that it’s value will be driven up?
    Regardless of their motives, I hope they keep those Blog countdowns going. They add an element of excitement.

  20. KEITHSTER says

    Would like to think they just happened to find a box of the 2014 bronzes laying around and let them go? Would not think they would want to fire up the presses for an old 4 pack. More like they got the left overs from who ever bought them out in the first place? Mark just how many did you manage to fit into your boat I snagged 10 the other day had to call and they did not even know they had them:>:>:> Had to walk the CS though it but once I said X77 then she found them . So I’m up to letting it go but others who missed the boat again may not !Here’s To Hope And Luck:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>

  21. Mark says

    public service to the Blog readers? Or, do they do it to hype a Mint product they have already purchased in hope that it’s value will be driven up?….Both

  22. Mark says

    Keithster.. I bought and flipped 100 Coin currency sets already…So lets just say …looks like i might be doing that all over again with these. Depends if i get them…if the price remains profitable on the bay…or if i just decide to return them to the mint. Always like a good gamble.

  23. Mark says

    Guy on ebay doing presale on these, just sold one for $90….He is clearly violating ebay presale rule.

  24. Brad says

    Mark,

    While it’s cutting it awfully close to the 30 day fulfillment rule, it seems plausible. Plus the seller has a good, long reputation. They promise a full refund if the order doesn’t work out. So, I guess why not go for it? You probably should to if you have some on order!

  25. CasualCollector says

    For anyone who has purchased those 200-coin bags of Kennedy Half Dollars — are the coins loose? Or do they come in rolls?

    TIA,
    CC

  26. Mark says

    Brad… I know, but its cutting it too close for me. The Marshals silver have a expected in stock date of Feb 10th. And they are still on back order. Ebay states his delivery time must show a handling time of 30 days.His shows Delivery:
    Between Sat. Feb. 14 and Wed. Feb. 18 to 33411 Estimated by eBay FAST ‘N FREE …and even if he refunds their money, they can still leave negative feedback.

  27. IPS_STUFF says

    – CC the 200 coin bags are loose coins in a bag – 100 of each coin

    One could argue that the rolled coins would be in better condition with less bag marks

  28. Ralph says

    IMO, bag marks no longer apply. Years ago coins came in huge 3 ft bags.They were on a skid. So many coins, so much weight, a lot of silver coins took a beating. Any shift in the bag, and hundreds of coins would clang against each other. Hence, bag marks!
    I have opened many rolls and many bags of Kennedy’s. Some years the coins from the bags are better than the rolls. All the marks on current coins occur as the coins are dumped into huge metal hoppers right after being minted. Some get rolled. Some get bagged. The bags are then folded tight, and placed into tightly fitting outer cardboard boxes. They don’t move around much. Some would say the machines that roll the coins mark them up more.
    As I said, IMO.

  29. JBK says

    In my experience, bags are always loose, and boxes contain rolls (in the case of boxes of dollar coins).
    I always wondered if the rolled coins might have a better chance of fewer bag marks but I am not sure if that is always true. In any case with the bags you get a nice cloth bag as a souvenir and also I figure (rightly or wrongly) that there is a better chance for a crazy error to make it’s way into a bag that would not fit into a roll.
    Also, the markup on bags is lower than rolls by far.

  30. says

    Casual Collector,
    If you are concerned about condition, as you should be, it’s much better buying the Kennedy coins in the rolls. As IPS pointed out, the loose coins in the bags bang against each other, picking up the dreaded bag marks. Can you imagine how much these coins are jostled in shipment?

  31. gary says

    Bags of coins??? I have enough trouble storing my set of ATB 5 oz P mint coins. Some of you guys must have a huge walk-in vault (a.k.a. “big closet”) to toss in all the stuff you get!

  32. CasualCollector says

    Thanks All for your comments about Kennedy Bags vs. Rolls. Interesting points by everyone, and I was asking because I was wondering about bag marks (not sure if the coins were loose).

    But I can see the point where they are wrapped tight enough in the bag and into a box to limit movement that bag marks might not be too big an issue.

    Well, I just ordered a couple of the rolls. I might still get a bag down the road. I really like the original 1964 Portrait better than the other.

    Thanks again!

  33. Ralph says

    Just put a 3-coin set in the bag. It’s still saying the expected in stock date is Feb. 2nd.
    Do they mean next year? Probably will be will all the back-order, OOS, in the bag nonsense!

    🙂

  34. MikeinPA says

    I ordered the 2014 four coin medal set today amount charged 0.00 status shipped, how can that be?

  35. Ralph says

    MikeinPA: Sounds like you might have signed up for the enrollment for that product. Sign in and check your enrollments and see if it’s there.

    🙂

  36. says

    Casual Collector,
    As Ralph pointed out, the so called bag marks, such as scratches and dings, primarily occur when the coins are shot into the hopper during the minting process. Therefore, they are, more accurately, hopper marks. After being put in the Mint’s bags, coins would seem to be more vulnerable to rub or scruff marks whenever the bags are moved around at the Mint or in transit to banks.
    The Mint’s much smaller collector bags, such as for the Kennedys, are folded fairly tightly into their shipping boxes. But, there is obviously going to be some amount of coin movement during shipping. Thus the potential for rub marks.

  37. Clark says

    Cagcrisp–Interesting news on the Mint definitively including Ronald/Nancy Reagan in the Prez $1 and first spouse coin programs. I seem to recall the Mint waffling back in Sept. when MNB inquired about including the Reagans (see MNB link below). Amazing how a stern poke from the chairperson of a key congressional cmtee can cause the Mint to provide the desired result.

    Now the question is when, how or if the Carters will be included. I suspect they will be as time is not working in their favor, and because it would be bad politics and wrong to skip over a president. He will pass on eventually and get his coin after the waiting period.

    http://mintnewsblog.com/2014/09/2016-first-spouse-gold-coins-design-candidates/

  38. Dave SW FL says

    I’ll just wait for the Unc and proof sets and avoid those ugly bag marks, rubs, hopper marks, etc.
    I just can’t see paying the premium for damaged goods, especially with no PM content.

  39. Dave SW FL says

    2016 is shaping up to be quite a year for mint products. Sure hope they get their act together and maybe go back to the old info systems on the website.

  40. cagcrisp says

    Am I Missing Any 2016 Gold Offerings????????????

    Remainder 2014-15 FS coins
    Pat Nixon 1/2 oz
    Nancy Reagan 1/2 oz
    Betty Ford 1/2 oz
    AGE Proof 1 oz
    AGE 1/2 oz
    AGE 1/4 oz
    AGE 1/10 oz
    Buffalo
    AGE Unc 1oz
    Mercury Dime
    Standing Liberty Quarter
    Walking Liberty
    2016 High Relief???
    Mark Twain commemorative

  41. Jerry Diekmann says

    Cagcrisp – are there really going to be Reagan-Nancy coins? I don’t see why not. Reagan has been gone for over 10 years and even if Nancy is alive – so what? They put that horridly ugly Eunice kennedy Shriver on a commem half and she was alive at the time, although you wouldn’t know it by the image on the coin. I myself there should be such a coin – why not?

  42. Jerry Diekmann says

    D Rittenhouse – don’t give the Mint any new ideas. That’s all we need – a half cent (and the cent is already worthless), a 3-cent silver coin (smaller than the nail on your little toe – plus guranteed to be lost within about 5 seconds of receiving it), a 3-cent nickel (made for 3-cent postage stamps; now we would need to have a 49-cent coin to do that), a half dime (about the size of the nail on your little finger – another coin that would be lost in about 10 seconds), and a 20-cent coin,(what were they thinking? plus the worst decision ever made before the Susan B. dollar). And of course, they would be in proof, and uncirculated at all four mints, and in reverse proof, and in enhancedc uncirculated, and burnished, and with a satin finish, and some of the proofs would be matte and the others would be brilliant, maybe change the lettering and have a Type 1 and a Type 2, and of course we would also need to have a gold dollar and a gold $3.00 coin too as they were issued during those glorious times. And they could be slabbed as 1st strike, early release, in special labels and the TPGs would be happy and everyone else would be broke. The goldem goose is going to be killed one day and we will wish for simpler times.

  43. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @KEITHSTER says,February 12, 2015 at 3:24 pm
    “Would like to think they just happened to find a box of the 2014 bronzes . . . ”

    Got an order in for 40.

  44. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @bg35765 says, February 12, 2015 at 12:26 pm
    “One of these bags was my biggest coin related home run of 2014/15. I bought some bags of S quarters and when they were delivered the box seemed really heavy. The reason it was is because in addition to the quarters, PBGS had given me a 200-coin bag of half dollars. $100 face value!”

    bg: Please send to me 100 of those coins and we will keep it a secret (between you & me) that the Mint accidentally sent you a bag of 200 at “No Charge,”

    That way you won’t have to worry about the government sending in the “Secret Service” to confiscate them and you. Especially since you admitted culpability on this blog.

    Do we have a deal? 😉

  45. KCSO says

    What ever came of the Bi-metal (Pt/Au) coin that was being discussed for ’15 or ’16 about a year ago? OBE I guess…

  46. gary says

    It would be inappropriate to skip over Jimmy Carter in making the Reagan coins. These things don’t circulate so what’s the big deal about including Carter within the series? If Nancy Reagan gets a FS coin, Carter should get his dollar.

  47. cagcrisp says

    2016 Gold Offerings:

    Remainder 2014-15 FS coins
    Pat Nixon 1/2 oz
    Nancy Reagan 1/2 oz
    Betty Ford 1/2 oz
    AGE Proof 1 oz
    AGE 1/2 oz
    AGE 1/4 oz
    AGE 1/10 oz
    4 coin AGE set
    Buffalo
    AGE Unc 1oz
    Mercury Dime
    Standing Liberty Quarter
    Walking Liberty Half
    2016 High Relief Modern Liberty??
    Mark Twain commemorative
    National Parks commemorative

    You guys better start putting some money aside. There will be some testing of low mintages with this many offerings. Just look at the offerings that will be for 2016 that we don’t have in 2015.

    Mercury Dime
    Standing Liberty Quarter
    Walking Liberty Half
    Additional commemorative
    1 less FS

    The Mercury, Standing Liberty and Walking Liberty will all take serious money. I know it will bring in additional money that doesn’t usually purchase, but still, the Gold pie is only so big.

  48. jeff says

    New day, same old mint no communication to its core supporters . But like Stephen said GET OVER IT LMAO.

  49. Brad says

    I agree with Gary. Why not amend the law to allow living presidents too? That way we could have a totally complete set of all 44 presidents and their wives. The both series could continue with four of each through 2017. Heck, they could even do one final coin in each series in 2018 of the 45th president and his wife (or her husband) with the years of service being “2017-Present.” I’d buy them!

  50. stephen m says

    Jeff, You are right, but that isn’t anything new. The mint doesn’t communicate to any of it’s supporters except with and only with what is protocol for the mints operations. Always has and always will.

  51. Leo S. says

    Brad and other FS collectors

    Please don’t talk about extending this series. Please let the pain end. I’ve been collection these additive little monsters since the beginning and it has cost me a small fortune. Of late, I’ve been looking forward to not having to buy each new spouse. If you keep talking about extending the series, the Mint might just be listening and do it. It only has 1 and a half years to go. Please let it end.

  52. Brad says

    Leo,

    I feel your pain! I don’t think you have anything to worry about, though. I don’t imagine anyone will bother to jump through the hoops of amending the law to include living presidents. So, Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter will just be skipped over. I do wish at least THEY could be included for series continuity, but including Mr. Carter would require jumping through the same hoops that including EVERYONE would require. So, I’m not holding my breath. 🙂

  53. JBK says

    Suggestions about who should or should not be included in the Presidential series were more appropriate for the debate/discussion prior to the law’s enactment. However, that train has left the station. The legislation passed Congress and was signed into law, and unless an amendment to it, or a new law, is passed, the series ends with Reagan.

    At this point there is nothing Carter can do to get his face on a dollar coin, unless a new law is passed. The current law states that a Presidet must be deceased for at least 2 years prior to his turn in line, and also that the series ends when the last eligible (deceased for more than two years) President has appeared on a dollar coin. So, Reagan is up in 2016, and Carter cannot possibly have been deceased for at least two years prior to that since we are in 2015 now, so he and Rosalynn will be skipped over. That’s the way the law was written.

    The series sure will look a little foolish years from now – people will wonder why Carter was skipped over. I suggest that Daniel Carr make a fantasy Carter dollar to fill the gap….

  54. Tinto says

    @A Different Jeff

    Thanks for that link.

    If they have good designs for the 2016 NPS centennial then that’ll be a nice way for me to end my purchases from the Mint.

  55. Ends in Error says

    I think the Mint needs to put out a 1 kg Gold Coin just so they can join in with the others that have been put out. I couldn’t afford something like that but I’m sure at least a few well funded numisminded spenders could. Shape the thing like a dinner plate and someone could eat their meals in style.

  56. Ends in Error says

    Im going to have to remember to get a few 2015 US Mint sets. Don’t need Kennedys in any roll or bag quantities but a few would go well with my collecting needs.

  57. jeff says

    Ralph, wouldn’t get to excited that’s what they do ship stock available quickly. That makes many here happy and overcomes the mint other insufficiencies, I’m sure your coins if anything like mine will have numerous nicks & dings. Glad to here your happy with fast processing time because that all you’ll be happy with trust me when you see them. Anyone know when the Marshals will ship I heard Feb 2nd the 10th I think they should shoot for 16th president day. LMAO

  58. Ralph says

    jeff: Man! You must be one heck of an unhappy person. Every comment you post is angry, negative & pointless. Nothing every nice & positive. I’ll bet I’m not alone on this!

  59. ips_stuff says

    – Ralph…. did you read your post about Jeff ???

    Somewhat “negative and” ….. just saying 🙂

  60. Eagle One says

    I’m still curious to see what they are going to do with the 50th Anniversary Kennedy Programs (K13, K14. K15). I think 200,000 is a good number for both the K13 & K14 programs to close out at. It looks like it will take another 30 weeks for the K15 Gold to hit the 75,000 mark. The K13 Silver should hit the 225,000 mark in 30 weeks as well. It has been a very long drawn out Anniversary. The secondary market has obviously left the party long ago.

  61. says

    Ralph
    With those multiple bags of Kennedys being shipped out to you so quickly, it hardly gives you much time to strengthen your floorboards to accomodate all that additional weight.

  62. KCSO says

    K14 – will it’s future value be worth less now that the same ’64 designed is carried over to ’15?

    Or worth more as it’ll clearly be a low mintage going forward?
    Or simply doesn’t matter as the JFK collecting crowd isn’t that large..,

  63. Dave SW FL says

    JBK,
    What a fantastic idea to have a Carr fantasy Carter set to “fill the hole”.

    Then he could do the Clinton set and Bush sets and Obomber set, too.

    Then every 4-8 years, just keep adding on – for those who are interested.

  64. A Different Jeff says

    @KCSO – Regarding the future value of the K14 set – they are still the only 2014 dated clads that have the original design, and since their cost was nominal, I would expect they would appreciate more as a function of relative cost. ebay has a listing right now for $80 for a box ox 5 sets, so that’s already triple.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Kennedy-Half-Dollar-Unc-High-Relief-Clad-2-Coin-set-5-Sets-Sealed-/191501177758?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c965c139e

    Here’s one for $20:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-50th-Anniversary-Kennedy-Half-Dollar-Clad-Unc-2-Coin-Set-K14-In-Stock-/171566402881?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f2278d41

    And these are fairly representative. While they won’t be home runs, the fall into the same category as the 1996-W dime – there were just under 1.5 million of those issued and they command a fair premium. These at 200,000 sets will likely go up. My guess is by the end of 2015 we’ll see $20 per coin. And if they can call the dime ‘rare’, the same will go for the K14s:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1996-W-Brilliant-Uncirculated-Roosevelt-Dime-in-Original-Mint-Cello-/231440196766?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e2e9249e

  65. cagcrisp says

    ALL US Marshal coins now say the same thing:

    Back Order
    The expected in-stock date is Tue May 05 2015.

    IF I was the Marshal museum I would be LIVID. 3 months to manufacture/package coins that should have been available Day 1? Just How many sales are lost because someone is “turned off” by an “expected in-stock” date of May? Last year ALL the BHOF Golds and Silvers were SO within the same number of days as now. You really couldn’t cancel an order because you may never get another chance. IF I had an order pending for Gold US Marshal and an expected ship date of May, I would just play the game of lowest Mint Gold pricing. Cancel every time Gold prices dropped and set on an order every time Gold prices rise. Silvers, I would keep my spot because you are saving $5 and I don’t see the Mint dropping Silver pricing on an existing offer…

    I really hoped that the Mint learned a lesson from the roll out of the BHOF coins….Sheez…

  66. cagcrisp says

    I had Hoped for $2.5 million to be paid to the Marshal museum fund by year end. $1.4 million was done in the first 4 days. $300k was done in week 2. Let’s just see how many dollars of contributions go to the Marshal museum IF the May 5 date is an actual good date. I doubt if contributions are $50k this week and will only continue downward as other Mint offerings start crowding out the Marshal offering. The train has left the station…

    You only have one chance to get this right and the Mint did Not get this right on the Marshal coins…

  67. fmtransmitter says

    HSN guy lied again. Said he dropped out of sacabuck at 13,500. Didn’t it sell for less than that? Says its gonna sell from thirty to fifty k. ..geez. maybe will

  68. KCSO says

    Cag- should we see the likes of an ASE 30th Anny set, that may put some more stress on the gold pie.., thinking from a prioritization perspect

  69. Jake says

    Jimmy Carter will not be skipped over for a presidential coin. The series will end with Gerald Ford. Ronald Reagan will not get a coin.

    Look at the mint website, the series ends with Gerald Ford.

  70. CasualCollector says

    @KCSO
    Is that where the missing K14’s are (sales vs. the 200,000 Limit)? I wonder if they are unsearched sets — did you buy one to check out?

  71. cagcrisp says

    @KCSO, I Thought I read somewhere that the Mint was backing off special sets of the ASE’s and that there would Not be a 30th. IF the Mint decides to do a 30th, then yes the pie gets smaller…

  72. thePhelps says

    cagcrisp-KCSO…I also recall the mint spokesperson stating last year that the special ASE sets were getting a break. I don’t see the point in a 30 year set anyway… most people celebrate special anniversaries – 5 – 10 – 25th – 50th etc…

  73. KCSO says

    CC – that was my first impression, I also think it may “break the code” with respect to OOS & SO. They had SNP & Arches pucks, which would further support why they’re OOS still.

  74. KCSO says

    Perhaps a virtual 30th would be nice, otherwise I most likely won’t care about it in 22 years for a 50th, if I’m still kick’n & stacking! 😆

  75. cagcrisp says

    One day…Exactly One day after changing the “expected-in stock date” for ALL Marshal products to 05/05, the Mint has now changed AGAIN 5 of the 7 options. Here are the new “expected-in stock dates”:

    Proof Silver 02/20
    Unc Silver 02/20
    Proof Clad 02/25
    Unc Clad 03/10
    3 coin set (reverses back to 02/02 which we all know was not correct)
    Proof Gold 05/05
    Unc Gold 05/05

  76. Leo S. says

    Cagcrisp

    Damn. One more or these little devils I have to buy now. I hope that Jimmy will stay alive for another 25 years so I can stop buying these devils before I go bankrupt.

  77. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    2015 1 oz Silver American Eagle BU/2.39 over spot/$394.00, roll 20.

    AMPEX, Fleecebay

  78. Ends in Error says

    Come on Mint. Give us something good.

    On the other hand, keep doing what you’re doing. I’m saving so much money by not buying any of your current line of junk.

    Junk. Repackage junk. Available for 2 day junk.

  79. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @D Rittenhouse says/February 14, 2015 at 9:17 pm

    Yeah — okay, you got me . . .

    “APMEX”

    I use to have one of those open real recorders, from “AMPEX”

  80. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @D Rittenhouse says, February 14, 2015 at 9:17 pm

    Relevance to the US Mint — old and becoming obsolete, if they don’t keep up customer service and customer satisfaction.

  81. stephen m says

    The Phelps, without a ASE 30 year anniversary set the mint will lose that money but I agree with you we don’t need to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the silver eagle. The chances are higher the mint will make a 30th set than not to make one.

  82. gary says

    Anniversary sets of regular bullion coins is a pretty lame excuse to stamp out more expensive reverse proof/enhanced finish junk. Fill the closets with overpriced precious metals and then pray for higher metals prices. I’ve decided that I am out for getting the 2015 high relief $75 gold. It should be made in ultra high relief to make something special of the design opportunity and the ridiculous denomination takes a page from the Canada coin marketing scheme. Only February but I’m already looking forward to the special 2016 gold issues and maybe one each of them.

  83. D Rittenhouse says

    The Mint’s price for a plane Jane proof one ounce silver Eagle ($48.95) is already more than twice the price it charges APs for the bullion version, I’ll just sit on the sidelines and watch.

  84. says

    Sacabucks ~ 10 December order received 🙂

    -Coins of good quality, better than Thanksgiving weekend order 😀
    – $1 serial # range J05738252 to xxx270 😕
    – No $1 in sequential order 🙁
    – All edge lettering present 😥
    – All 5 soon to find a new home:!:
    – And I will be :mrgeen:

  85. VA Bob says

    Oh brother, Cag it looks to me like another proud label owner. Do these knuckleheads realize how many gold JFK’s were stamped out prior to the first day of issue? The label would have been true if it said, “One of the lucky coins shipped to the show, from among 10’s of thousands of others.”

    I will say eBay is entertaining, as it has on full display so many people with more money than brains. I’ve stopped feeling sorry for these types, to the point I’d burst out laughing if they ever told me they paid that much for a label. One day, when these folks go to sell, they are going to be in for a rude awakening, that is unless they become as good a huckster as the guy that sold this slab. The HSN and CV guys have nothing on some of these eBay sellers, just maybe not the volume, but definitely the BS lines. Have people never heard of the Red Book or Gray Sheet? Those PCGS and NGC population reports just tell how many of their slabs are out there, not the number of coins in a specific grade, yet some live by it as if it were the Holy Grail. I just wish I knew how much of this quackery the hobby could bear before it collapse on itself, because the day before would be a great time to get out of it. I guess we can add “overpay for you real like” to the usual mantra.

  86. fmtransmitter says

    IF anything is done to the ASE it will be a new reverse, been talked about for awhile, watch sales skyrocket, 30th or not!

  87. fmtransmitter says

    D Rittenhouse says
    FEBRUARY 14, 2015 AT 9:17 PM

    @The Real “Cool” Dave,
    AMPEX made pretty good open reel tape recorders once upon a time but I don’t get its relevance to US Mint.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampex

    Oh no! Flashbacks, did someone get out of treatment?

  88. says

    Hawkster – well I didn’t get them all to work out, though you should have seen the range of emoticons displayed just a moment ago when I had to step out to put air in my tires from this fridge blue ass cold 12 degree with 40 kts winds we’re having down here.., it’s insane. I’m thinking there must be a lot a label collectors that live around me, ’cause at these temperatures, a road that ‘appear wet’ ..well they haven’t figured out yet that it’s not water they’re bearing down on until they’re skidding sideways.., yeah, definitely label collectors! 😆

    VA Bob – WRT “quackery the hobby could bear before it collapse on itself” – we may not be far off. The 1st of Issue for the USMs and ASE weren’t met with much fanfare from what I can tell. The Chicago JFKs are off about 50-55% from there high water mark, even the RP Buff has retreated off where it was a year ago. You certainly still see a lot of Chicago JFKs being offered.., tells me they didn’t stick.
    Lesson learned – you may have about 2-3 weeks to unload a show label when its hot, or left holding the bag.

  89. Teach says

    I just saw the 2014 EU Sacabuck with missing edge lettering on TV. They were showing it on the America’s Auction channel. They said they received an offer of 17 thousand and that wasn’t enough. They said the buy it now price is 100 K. The show is called Coins & Currency Pocket Watches & Collectibles. They said they would have the coin all week. Sounds like they are trying to sell it for someone.

  90. says

    KC&SO,
    Yeah, on Long Island we call it black ice. It’s supposed to get down to zero tonight–which is pretty rare for here. It’s the oldest temps we’ve had in years, and no warm up in sight. Deep freeze.

  91. Dave SW FL says

    First Spouse lovers who happen to be in South Florida tomorrow might want to treck to Marco Island for the Historical Society’s presentation of “Meet the President ‘s Wives” featuring Julia Tyler, Helen Taft, Sarah Polk, Edith Wilson, and Rosalynn Carter.

    We attended today’s performance and found it to be EXCELLENT.

    Performed at 7 pm at the Rose History Auditorium. $20 per person
    180 S. Heatherwood Drive

    Each year 5 First Ladies are performed only on Presidents Day weekend.
    Take your daughters if you can. Inspirational!

  92. stephen m says

    KC&SO, Long Island was my home from birth until about age two. How about here in North Georgia for this Wednesday nights low, minus 2 degrees. Brrrrrrrr

  93. thePhelps says

    @fm…I’m pretty sure the mint has looked closely at the 40 Million plus sales of the existing ASE and wondered how they can make it even more profitable. Then again – Coke – decided they could make even more money in the 80’s and was profoundly embarrassed. Given some of the designs the mint has offered for some of the highly anticipated offerings this year – I think it would be a stretch to envision them actually coming up with something “more” people would want. I’d expect someone to offer the Dove as the preferred reverse of the coin – so they wouldn’t offend anyone with a powerful intimidating Eagle design that is oppressing people all of the world.

  94. mark says

    Just got back from bass fishing on lake okeechobee…high about 72 degrees…bright blue cloudless sky. Sunburn feels great.

  95. Tinto says

    @thePhelps

    Yeah the Mint is thinking up ways to pry money from people like me, I used to be taken in but now whenever I think of giving them a break I think about the never to exist 2009 Proof ASE (thank goodness I don’t collect ASE’s otherwise I would have stopped then) and recently that Platinum design which was yanked with a weak excuse and a hint of a promise that it will be considered as a medal …. are they considering it for 2015 or even 2016 …. I wonder…. glad that the Mint is doing what it’s doing … I can save myself some money and a heartburn when I have to sell them down the line (not yet but getting there …)

  96. fmtransmitter says

    Wouldn’t it be the person who bought the missing edge trying to flip it? Was it the same one from last auction? ANACS right? Anyone paying attention to the sacbuc 70s and how they are doing? Labels have a max 45 day window IMHO. The coin vault had to have the young gal step in when the fellas seemed to be at a loss for words about labels. I mean u can only hype them so much…they still can’t get rid of the authentic Pete Rose HOFs…been pushing them since shortly after release…

  97. fmtransmitter says

    They all took turns about NGC First day of Issue label and seemed out.of breath and frustrated that they had to push a coin that millions upon millions will be made this year and has zero unique about it except a new type.of label. How about dropping the price to a normal profit margin and forget hyping a label On a bullion SE…

  98. fmtransmitter says

    Fishing in Florida, lucky duck! But I did drive with the top open and it was 72 and sunny here as well! Just a picture perfect day. Love the winters here. I remember being waste high in snow at my job and making Up my mind to be poor in Florida. Parents place says negative 24 . Why why why still live there?

  99. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    “The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.”

    – Benjamin Franklin

    Good Night All!

  100. jim says

    Thought about fishing today on Lake Champlain in Vermont. Temp: -7, Wind Chill -26. Threw another log on the fire and crawled back in bed. No sunburn for me today. Gold coins,silver coins,circus coins.

  101. stephen m says

    fmxmitter, I watch CV every now and then. It just isn’t the same without Chambers and that whinie voiced girl ………..Like I said it isn’t the same.

  102. merryxmasmrscrooge says

    Waiting for the Peter Falk Commem

    or the Digital Dillinger Dollar from Freakmint.horray.com

  103. fmtransmitter says

    Thanks for that link D. Rittenhouse, very cool. I did not know that the proof was stamped at the same time but the uncircs were not…

  104. Teach says

    Hey FM……. yes it was the ANACS MS69 EU 2014-D Sacabuck with missing edge lettering that was just recently sold. Now they are trying to sell it on TV and said the coin could be worth 150 K to a million dollars. They said if you bought this coin that they would have to list your name in the RED BOOK as being the owner. I thought that was funny among all of the rest of things they were saying about this coin. They were practically yelling on the set about this coin. Too excited for me. They claimed someone had offered them 17 K for it already, but it wasn’t enough and then went on to say the buy it now price is 100 K.

  105. Ends in Error says

    The Coin is not made correctly for chrissakes. They ought to return it to the Mint and get a replacement. THEN try to sell it for a million bucks.

    SHYSTER huckster ripoff artists !

  106. fmtransmitter says

    Teach says
    FEBRUARY 16, 2015 AT 10:25 AM

    Hey FM……. yes it was the ANACS MS69 EU 2014-D Sacabuck with missing edge lettering that was just recently sold. Now they are trying to sell it on TV and said the coin could be worth 150 K to a million dollars. They said if you bought this coin that they would have to list your name in the RED BOOK as being the owner. I thought that was funny among all of the rest of things they were saying about this coin. They were practically yelling on the set about this coin. Too excited for me. They claimed someone had offered them 17 K for it already, but it wasn’t enough and then went on to say the buy it now price is 100 K.

    LMAO

  107. jeff says

    Wait that’s $44 a set.. $55 for Ebay, $16 for Paypal, $13 for USPS I’d say ok I’ve sold’em for more.

  108. Ends in Error says

    Does any service have extra-jumbo plastic big enough to slab those LESPS’ s? Limited plastic needs to be entombed in plastic after all. Maybe a First Day label would add even more value?

    Order up. Slab em up.

  109. fmtransmitter says

    Sorry if it was posted but I had to pop on the PF Marshall, gonna sell the General for it. I like it much better. Do we know when in stock date projected, even though it could change?

  110. fmtransmitter says

    Ends in Error says
    FEBRUARY 16, 2015 AT 5:16 PM

    Does any service have extra-jumbo plastic big enough to slab those LESPS’ s? Limited plastic needs to be entombed in plastic after all. Maybe a First Day label would add even more value?

    I could see PCGS or NGC doing something similar to the CC Morgans where they attach a seal and a grade. If the seal is tampered with, then it is invalidated…

  111. fmtransmitter says

    I think they would have to be sealed in a Mint box though because they are also issued elsewhere. I would have them remove that suran wrap from last year first though, take each out, grade them, re seat them, place seals around the 4 corners and a label and bar code…Anything to make a buck. I mean 50k is limited in any form but they were also released for sale in other forms so we are talking about a premium placed on packaging and to me that is not healthy for the hobby…

  112. Ends in Error says

    This is way off topic but I’ve seen “contemporary counterfeits” offered by one dealer of old classic coins. These counterfeits arent cheap they typically run several $hundred each.

    What I’m wondering is what makes old counterfeits worth more than modern Chinese Counterfeits?

    I can get a hundred modern fakes vs 1 old fake – so why not?

  113. thePhelps says

    Ends…I think the simple answer is technology. Given that most coins issued today are computer generated graphics driven production pieces… they are easier to duplicate and mass produce. The classic counterfeits themselves are works of art that are often hand crafted low volume products.

    I don’t follow counterfeit coinage – but it is probably similar to hobo-nickels. You can buy modern nickels crafted by artists all over the place for a relatively inexpensive price, or you can buy nickels from the 20’s and 30’s actually produced by hobo’s and pay through the nose… there actually is a subtle difference in the offerings.

  114. Sith says

    The only value a counterfeit coin would have is as a placeholder in a collection. IE they can’t afford the real thing so some collectors think a good counterfeit especially if it was made around the time of issue is the next big thing. Can’t afford a 1907 high relief get an Omega, but be aware they are technically illegal as any modern counterfeit and most collectors would rather have a hole in their collection than use a counterfeit coin, don’t fall victim to marketing hype

  115. jeff says

    Isn’t it time for the Mint to go on Spring Break or something just remembered this time last year they took a break. It would be wise now to break since there’s nothing that’s really pressing I mean the Marshals have only sold for two days, since then zilch, nodda The museum must be proud of these imbeciles. Time for another PR stunt to promote there agenda..

  116. JBK says

    So-called “contemporary counterfeits” were made to circulate alongside genuine coins, so they have age and some history.

    Modern Chinese fales are made as collectables to deceive people. Some are pretty bad and would not fool most people, and some are very good, but in all cases they are not meant to circulate, although you could argue that very high quality fakes of bullion coins are meant to be traded as bullion. (Those might have some value to collectors years down the road).

  117. VA Bob says

    D Rittenhouse – I knew they used a collar for the edge lettering on proofs like the 2009 UHR, but did not know they used them on the scrap metal presidential/SAC dollar proof coins. For the unc’s, the coin actually “rolls” on it’s rim (face up or down) and the lettering is pressed in. This method was obviously used for the enhanced SAC, since the edge letters have appeared in both position “A” and “B”. Thanks for the link.

    I never thought to look for the telltale collar marks on these proofs. This could also mean that if there is a proof that does not have the correct edge lettering position (which I assume is “A”) and is a position “B” they could be quite valuable. I wonder if any of these are floating around out there? Someone might be sitting on an expensive coin (if they exist) without even knowing it.

  118. Tinto says

    @JBK

    I’ve read some stories about Chinese made counterfeit TPG holder and labels too I wonder how pervasive those are …..

  119. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @Larry says, February 17, 2015 at 11:23 am
    “There is a Remind Me button on the C&C set. Seriously?”

    I just checked, there sure as hell is — it use to just ay, “Out of Stock.”

    I can’t believe they are actually going to mint more? Or are these just peoples rejects/returns? (C&C Sac Sets).

    CHIME IN?

  120. VA Bob says

    Cool Dave – I never believed they sold them all in the first place. I believe a lot of people canceled when they thought these were gone (OOS). Plenty of the later over 5 per household were probably canceled in the system, too. The Mint IMO put on the breaks when they thought they oversold, to cover their screw up. Now that they are processing there is some available.

  121. CasualCollector says

    Regarding the “Remind Me” Button — I think they just opened the “Remind Me’ button on a bunch of OOS items
    -Kennedy K14
    -FS Gold Proof Roosevelt
    -C&C Sets
    -First Spouse Medal Sets 2014
    etc…

    Free way to get a bunch of email addresses…

  122. VA Bob says

    This 2009 article is scary:

    https://gnpov.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/china-and-their-counterfeits-of-us-coins/

    How many eBay auctions or buy it now’s say this is just a representation of the coin you will receive? How many buyers check the bar codes on the slabs? The fakes have only gotten better over the years. Even reputable dealers can pass this stuff without knowing, as if they are a volume seller, probably don’t scrutinize every coin they sell. Nothing better IMO than researching the coin you want, learn the various diagnostic markers of the coin, and buy in person or at the very least, high quality photos of the coin you will receive. Still no 100% sure fire solution.

  123. Tinto says

    @VA Bob

    Many thanks for the links and information on the fakes ……truly scary … and that reminded me of a story a few years back about fake gold bars so real looking it even fooled gold dealers …..

  124. JBK says

    Re: edge lettering on proof dollars. I do not recall the specifics, but there have been cases (at least one) of a proof dollar coin getting the wrong edge lettering (Sac with Pres lettering, or vice versa). I do not know offhand if the lettering is the same now or not, but at some point there are/were different and a proof collar was switched. That is one error that would largely go unnoticed – how many people look at the edge of a proof dollar in a set?

  125. Tinto says

    @VA Bob

    And I also remembered some stories years ago about how some mints were disposing their old obsolete equipment used to strike coins over a hundred years ago (or was it the people who printed currencies?) and the Chinese bought them all up and took them back to China … I guess these equipment are having a second life ….

  126. says

    VaBob,
    I never bid on a ebay coin where the actual coin is not pictured. Whenever the seller says that this is a representation of the coin you will receive, I move on to another listing. Usually, the big coin dealers do this type of thing. They supply a picture of what looks to be a perfect coin and exclaim that the one you receive will be as good or better than the one pictured. That’s totally B.S.

  127. fmtransmitter says

    VA Bob says
    FEBRUARY 17, 2015 AT 12:25 PM

    D Rittenhouse – I knew they used a collar for the edge lettering on proofs like the 2009 UHR, but did not know they used them on the scrap metal presidential/SAC dollar proof coins. For the unc’s, the coin actually “rolls” on it’s rim (face up or down) and the lettering is pressed in. This method was obviously used for the enhanced SAC, since the edge letters have appeared in both position “A” and “B”. Thanks for the link.

    I never thought to look for the telltale collar marks on these proofs. This could also mean that if there is a proof that does not have the correct edge lettering position (which I assume is “A”) and is a position “B” they could be quite valuable. I wonder if any of these are floating around out there? Someone might be sitting on an expensive coin (if they exist) without even knowing it.

    The TPG’s have said there is NO significance to the position of the edge lettering since it is part of production…Sorry… 😉

  128. fmtransmitter says

    Hawkster says
    FEBRUARY 17, 2015 AT 2:04 PM

    VaBob,
    I never bid on a ebay coin where the actual coin is not pictured. Whenever the seller says that this is a representation of the coin you will receive, I move on to another listing. Usually, the big coin dealers do this type of thing. They supply a picture of what looks to be a perfect coin and exclaim that the one you receive will be as good or better than the one pictured. That’s totally B.S.

    Agree 100%

  129. fmtransmitter says

    mgm says
    FEBRUARY 17, 2015 AT 1:41 PM

    Anyone have anymore on this? How rare are the narrow reeds?

    NGC Discovers Distinct Varieties for 2015 $5 Gold Eagles

    The “Wide Reeds” variety does appear more abundant than the “Narrow Reeds” based on the 2015 $5 Gold Eagles seen thus far by NGC; however, the relative rarity of the varieties is also still unknown.

    IMHO I would say who cares but again, some people do…Go get it!

  130. fmtransmitter says

    JBK says
    FEBRUARY 17, 2015 AT 1:31 PM

    Re: edge lettering on proof dollars. I do not recall the specifics, but there have been cases (at least one) of a proof dollar coin getting the wrong edge lettering (Sac with Pres lettering, or vice versa). I do not know offhand if the lettering is the same now or not, but at some point there are/were different and a proof collar was switched. That is one error that would largely go unnoticed – how many people look at the edge of a proof dollar in a set?

    U mean an S mint mark on a P or D clad $1 coin?

  131. fmtransmitter says

    Well fake story involved bullion bars. I have had several fakes but this was a pretty decent one. So you buy “packs” of sealed bars. So they sold these blister packs of coated brass, look real as heck. I decided to put my bars inside air tites, THANK YOU AIR TITES BTW, and they didn’t fit, huge red flag. Found out they were fake, seller tried to play dumb, had the nerve to ask for them back after issuing refund, said sure, asked for address, never got it. Was going to report it…Still out there ripping people off I suppose…This was of eBay too…

  132. GoldFishin says

    @VA BOB- A little “nunismatic rnowledge” goes a long way. 🙂 Never bought a coin from China, never will buy a coin from China. It’s hard enough sorting out Chinese fakes from American dealers, much less from Chinese online sellers. Honestly, the prospect of buying high grade fakes is one reason my collection consists mostly of modern coins and bullion coins that I buy early from reputable dealers. Any expensive classic coins I purchase, I run by a good friend that has been in the business 43 years now. Thanks for the reminder to always be vigilant.

  133. JBK says

    Proof edge lettering: the error I heard about was not date or MM related. Actually as I pick my brain for the details, I now think that it was an issue with the order of the parts of the inscription, not a Sac vs Pres issue.

    In other words, the proof edge inscription is in three pieces and someone installed them in the wrong order on the error coin(s).

  134. mgm says

    IMHO says: I would say who cares but again, some people do…Go get it!

    I care, and would geo one if I could find one.

  135. says

    Because of the issues of either fakes or altered coins, I will, like GoldFishin, only buy modern U.S. Mint issued coin products off of ebay. This is not to say that there is no possibility of counterfeiting going on with the moderns, but the probability is much higher with older, classic coins such as Morgan silver dollars.

  136. Tinto says

    @Hawkster

    Couldn’t agree more….. the more expensive the coin the more likely it’s going to be counterfeited. Now I either buy mostly from the Mint or from a reputable dealer ……

  137. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @CasualCollector says, February 17, 2015 at 12:56 pm
    “Free way to get a bunch of email addresses”

    This is very, very likely, now that you mention it. Since they opened a bunch of items this way.
    ———————————————————————————————-

    @ VA Bob says , February 17, 2015 at 12:50 pm
    “Cool Dave – I never believed they sold them all in the first place.”

    Now that I think about it — this too makes sense – I also think they are getting the rejects sent out from the prevous rejects and they might have found some in the worehouse, that should have shipped. Seems they either told that to me or someone on the blog. (?).

    I never did send that letter to my senator, but I continue to document this circus, just in case I change my mind. This is just another example, of this new managements, lack of respect for collector/customers, as I said before.

  138. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @GoldFishin says,February 17, 2015 at 2:45 pm
    “. . . A little “nunismatic rnowledge” goes a long way . . ”

    Be careful, since many a good dealers have been/could be fooled as well; it has happened.

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