2015-P Kisatchie National Forest Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coin

Today, April 28, 2015 at 12:00 Noon ET, the United States Mint will begin accepting orders for the Kisatchie National Forest Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coins. This represents the twenty-seventh overall release within the numismatic series of large sized silver coins.

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The reverse of the coin, which was designed by Susan Gamble and engraved by Joseph Menna, features the image of a wild turkey in flight over blue stem grass with long leaf pine in the background. The inscriptions read “Kisatchie”, “Louisiana”, “2015”, and “E Pluribus Unum”.

The obverse features the 1932 portrait of George Washington designed by John Flanagan with inscriptions “United States of America”, “Liberty”, “In God We Trust”, and “Quarter Dollar”. The “P” mint mark is present to represent production at the Philadelphia Mint.

Each coin is struck in 99.9% silver with a weight of 5.000 troy ounces. The precious metal purity and weight are included as incused edge lettering. The diameter of each coin is 3.000 inches and the thickness is 0.165 inch. These numismatic coins carry uncirculated finish created through a vapor blasting technique.

The coins are priced at $149.95 each. A maximum mintage of 30,000 pieces has been established for this numismatic version of the coin, matching the level established for the prior five releases of the series.

The United States Mint has also provided guidance regarding the production level of the bullion version of the coin, which went on sale to authorized purchasers on April 20. As opposed to the numismatic version, which carries the “P” mint mark and an uncirculated finish, the bullion version does not have a mint mark and carries a brilliant finish.

An authorized limit of 65,000 coins is established across both numismatic and bullion versions of the coin. Based on the maximum of 30,000 established for the numismatic version, this suggests a mintage of 35,000 for the bullion version. However, the Mint has indicated, based on demand, the bullion mintage may be higher as long as the overall 65,000 coin limit is not exceeded. To date, the Mint has already sold 29,800 of the Kisatchie Five Ounce Silver Bullion Coins.

2015 Coin and Chronicles Sets Pricing

The United States Mint has indicated the pricing for the upcoming 2015 Coin and Chronicles Sets within a notice to be published in the Federal Register. Sets are to be issued for Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon B. Johnson.

The pricing for each set will be $57.95.

This is the same pricing used for the Franklin D. Roosevelt Coin and Chronicles Set issued last year. The set had included the proof Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Dollar, proof Roosevelt Dime, silver and bronze versions of the Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Medal, and a series of Roosevelt USPS stamps. The sets were limited to 20,000 units.

The exact contents for the 2015 Coin and Chronicles Sets have not yet been announced.

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  1. thePhelps says

    I’ll be getting both the mentioned items…the Chronicles should be good…and the Turkey’s will fly today! 🙂

  2. says

    I am going to try an experiment. I have one Turkey P puck ordered through the subscription (fulfillment) program and I am going to order another just after noon today and compare the shipping dates, arrival dates, and quality. The last time I used the subscription program was the Great Sand Dunes P puck which was not shipped out for over 3 weeks after the start date & I had the distinct feeling that when I received it that maybe it was a dealer’s reject (no proof of course).
    In any event, I am going to see if there is a difference in service between a subscription order and a website order on the first day of availability and I will post the results.

  3. longarm says

    Stuart Bradley- I’ve tried that and the sub came first.

    I added 2 more P pucks to my sub for an even dozen and if I can scrape up any loose change I’ll get more because you’ve gotta get em while they’re HOT.

  4. says

    Given the recent history of how the US Mint operates I think the turkey P pucks will go to “out of stock” status fairly quickly. IMHO
    I usually only get one P puck of each but each year I choose what design I like the best and get a second one of that and this year it is clearly the turkey, last year it was Shenandoah, and Mt. Rushmore the year before. (in case anyone is interested)

  5. Louis says

    Since the MOD special sets are releasing next week I am thinking of waiting on the Turkey P puck and combining into one order next week. I believe the sets are ready as I saw one at the Baltimore show, speaking of which, good thing it was not this week!

  6. JohnT58 says

    Just picked up a couple of pucks (and the S-roll). In and out of the website with no issues.

  7. thePhelps says

    I ordered mine as well as the Doolittle medal and some S quarters. Louis … good point on the Baltimore show. Seems everytime one of these incidents arises – riots are the order of the day.

  8. longarm says

    I agree completely Stuart, I predict the turkey’s will be OOS by the weekend.

    I also noticed that they’ve only gone up 300 to 29,800 for the bullion which could indicate nearly reaching a sales limit of 30,000 which I hope is the case.

    I’m in for two of the MOD sets next week.

  9. Pool Shark says

    Two interesting points:

    1) If the max mintage of 35,000 is hit for the P version, it will be the highest mintage ever for an uncirculated AtB (previous high is 28,451 for Shenandoah)

    2) If the P maxes at 35,000, then based on the Mint’s stated limits; the Bullion version will only be 30,000. That would make this only the 4th time the Bullion version has a lower mintage than the P version (other three: Shenandoah, Arches, Sand Dunes).

  10. Pool Shark says

    One other observation:

    Even at this morning’s higher silver price of $16.55/ounce, the P version is worth only $82.75 in melt. The $149.95 price tag carries an 81.2% premium over melt.

    Thanks, but I’ll stick with the Bullion version at ~$100 each…

  11. Brad says

    Samuel,

    The gold coin prices will likely remain unchanged this week, since the first six fixes of this period were much lower. Tomorrow’s am fix would need to be $1,258.20 or higher to make the average $1,200.

    However, unless the spot price pulls back below $1,200 in time for the pm fix of 5/6, then prices will likely increase next week if the current spot price holds for a few more days. Just in time to make the Mamie Eisenhower coins cost $25 more each.

  12. Tom P. - MA says

    When (not if) silver goes to $30 per ounce again you will have purchased a coin for under melt value.

  13. thePhelps says

    @Pool… the mintage limit for the Kisatchie P is set at 30,000… with nearly 30,000 bullion already sold – I suspect we are looking @ 40k bullion and 25k P being minted.

    Also – as silver falls the value of the bullion coins follows right inline. The P pucks are holding fine at the higher prices. I see a lot of people do the math and say – I know I’ll outsmart all the coin collectors and buy bullion… and then end up with bullion grade coins that sell for bullion prices.

  14. Louis says

    The P version will do fine, but it will not sell out any time soon. I believe the only time a P ever sold out fast was the very first coin.

  15. Larry says

    Too bad they can’t do a proof version. I think a cameo turkey against a mirrored background would have been awesome. I still will get the “P” puck, the vapor blast finish is still pretty good.

  16. Ikaika says

    I purchased the Kisatchie National Forest Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated coin to complete my set. I dislike the Turkey design from the beginning.

  17. Dustyroads says

    Ikaika~ It’s a good depiction of the bird. The turkey may not be the most magnificent, but for a bird that lacks stronger flying skill, and mostly depicted on a dinner table, the artistry is good.

  18. Boz says

    i remember on the WKRP in Cincinnati TV show some decades ago that they dropped turkeys from helicopters as a promotion.

  19. longarm says

    I grew up in Dallas but my grandparents lived up in Iowa “on the farm” where we’d go for holidays like Christmas and that’s where I learned to hunt. Turkey’s were a real challenge because they’re smart and fast, smart because it’s hard even to get close to one and fast because one minute they’re there and the next they’re 60 to 70 yards away. I guess that’s why I like these pucks.

  20. fmtransmitter says

    Larry says
    APRIL 28, 2015 AT 2:40 PM

    Too bad they can’t do a proof version. I think a cameo turkey against a mirrored background would have been awesome. I still will get the “P” puck, the vapor blast finish is still pretty good.

    Waiting on the first High Relief 5 ounce silver coin from the US/Perth Mint…

  21. D Rittenhouse says

    Ikaika wrote on APRIL 28, 2015 at 2:52 PM:

    I purchased the Kisatchie National Forest Five Ounce Silver Uncirculated coin to complete my set. I dislike the Turkey design from the beginning.

    Ikaika, I’m in the same boat and with the same sentiments as you.

  22. D Rittenhouse says

    Where I live, hunting has been essentially outlawed in general and the typical local turkey has subsequently become as dumb as a sack of hammers.

  23. bobo says

    Where is the cheapest place to buy Kisatchie bullion pucks? JMBullion was the cheapest I could find. Does anyone know of anywhere cheaper?

    Price for one puck:
    Gainesville $108.29 (including shipping)
    Paradise Mint $107.99 (free shipping)
    JM Bullion $103.85 (free shipping)
    SD Bullion $104 plus $7.77 shipping
    Provident Metal Out of stock

  24. Dustyroads says

    boz~ I remember that episode, too funny.

    That’s a fast sell out at Provident Metals. I still think there’s a possibility of getting a lower mintage P puck with this 65,000 across both options style of release. It won’t happen in all cases, but there’s some enthusiastic buying going on with this one. There have been 30,000 bullion sold already. How many more will be ordered by the AP’s?

  25. Sith says

    @ thePhelps – Except a lot of the bullion ATB’s sell for a premium. including Arches from last year. I’m just surprise nobody has scoped up the remaining GSD ATBs. They have a 22K mintage and they are still selling close to spot. That makes these coins a very low risk, with a good upside in my book. Of course they are still one ugly coin.

  26. stephen m says

    I like the turkey and haven’t purchased any of the 5 oz ATB’s except for the first year ones. Yes, I did purchase this one from the mint. @D Rittenhouse, “dumb as a sack of hammers”.

  27. Dustyroads says

    Just who is as “dumb as a sack of hammers”, a bird at the bottom of the food chain, but has manged to survived for millenniums, or humans, who complain, and spend their existence trying to finds new ways to have their needs served to them on a silver platter.

  28. longarm says

    “local turkey has subsequently become as dumb as a sack of hammers” – Maybe he lives in Baltimore.

  29. Ikaika says

    @ D Rittenhouse

    Despite the different opinions regarding the Turkey, we still have not seen it fly. Even in your youtube clip. Just on the 5oz ATB 🙂

  30. thePhelps says

    When I was younger and I used to go bird hunting regularly… scaring up a bevy of Quail used to make me jump if we didn’t have a bird dog with us. Jumping a Turkey out of hiding added a whole new layer of holy sh*t to the process. While many say they can’t fly – the fact is they can – but like chickens just not very high or far. When they do take off they are loud and noisy about it… and up and down quickly and off running to hide again just as fast. I’ve never hunted them – but – they aren’t far from dumb as a box of rocks… they just adapt to the area and if they aren’t being hunted they are less afraid – much like any other bird in the off season.

  31. thePhelps says

    “aren’t far from dumb as a box of rocks”

    above should read

    “are far from dumb as a box of rocks”

  32. bobo says

    This is Ben Franklin’s opinion about bald eagles and turkeys, apparently from a letter to his daughter:

    “”For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead Tree near the River, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and takes it from him.

    “With all this Injustice, he is never in good Case but like those among Men who live by Sharping & Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy. Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District. He is therefore by no means a proper Emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of America who have driven all the King birds from our Country…

    “I am on this account not displeased that the Figure is not known as a Bald Eagle, but looks more like a Turkey. For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America… He is besides, though a little vain & silly, a Bird of Courage, and would not hesitate to attack a Grenadier of the British Guards who should presume to invade his Farm Yard with a red Coat on.”

  33. KEITHSTER says

    Thought I would get out of this turkey roll thing easy this time but it’s looking like not? After the Homestead die breaks went in for as many as I could get which was 23 rolls of the D’s! Thinking no way these turkeys are going to have any even close? Wrong yesterday I picked up 4 rolls of the turkey’s in D at the bank they just got them in 3 of the 4 were heads-tails 2 of the 3 turkeys on the ends showing had yes die problems! So now it’s looking like more turkey rolls then needed will be needed. Will dig in latter tonight and let you know more . Not ready to let the turkey out of the bag just yet? Good Luck All:>:>:>:>:>:>:>

  34. IPS_STUFF says

    @KEITHSTER

    Where are you located that you get D rolls…. I notice most bloggers that comment here have more of an east coast bias.

    I am in California and I have never been able to get any national park rolls at all.
    What bank are you dealing with?

    Thank you

    IPS_STUFF (aka Phil)

  35. Mark says

    Just placed another order with the U.S. Mint today…. about 6000 orders have been placed since yesterday about this time.

  36. blackbeard says

    i only bought one but i like the design would have to say hawaii is still my favorite!

  37. Dustyroads says

    I’m curious about the 2015 Australian 5 oz. Kookaburra, does anyone have info on availability and price?

  38. fmtransmitter says

    One day someone will color the bullion versions and sell an entire set colorized just like the quarters…

  39. fmtransmitter says

    There are some really nice designs coming out of Europe right now for several reasons. i notice they still do not issue in 1 full troy ounce and 92.5% silver. I think more Americans might buy more from overseas but maybe they don’t want us to.

  40. says

    It seems that the collectors who are the most juiced over the turkey puck, based on past comments, are also hunters. Are they gunning for the perfect puck? I hope they don’t set their sights too high in aiming for a “70”.

  41. KEITHSTER says

    @IPS_STUFF uppermidwest we only seem to get the D’s here but did once get a couple P rolls from another bank. Mine has two branches and I

  42. KEITHSTER says

    Went today to the other branch and got three rolls to check to see if they also had the error’s that were on the fist rolls but the two end turkeys that were showing look normal. The heads-heads one I will open tonight to check them all as the homestead die-breaks were at both branches?As to the name of this place sorry but still consider this a trade secret but here’s a clue I had join and did just to get the coins when they get them shortly after release. Have gotten them all except the first one as I missed the one week window that they have them instock:) But will open a few rolls tonight to make sure on what I’m seeing Good Luck Always:>:>:>:>:>:>:>

  43. John Q. Coinage says

    I am a bank pest here in CALIF, I ask 2-3x a week, since like 2012 they have NO NEW ROLLS of quarters, ever~! Dimes & 5c maybe, 1c yes, quarters n, but I did get almost asolid roll of 40% halves last week, I went to —- Bank…LOL!!!

  44. longarm says

    I’ve been collecting the P pucks from the start and I have 2 full sets of 2010 and 2011 and 4 full sets of the 2012s and then 10 full sets of the 2013 and 2014 and so far the 2015s and none of them are graded because I think the grading game is a scam.

  45. fmtransmitter says

    @longarm and KEITHSTER: yea AND no, like if KEITHSTER has legit error coins I feel they need to be sent in, not for grading but for authentication as to an actual Mint error. Once you do that KEITHSTER let us all know buddy!

  46. fmtransmitter says

    @John Q: The banks have to special ORDER these UNLESS they just place their usual order for coinage and the supplier just happens to have new rolls in THEIR inventory…There is no way to get them unless you hunt and ask around the Branch Managers as to their policy. For the Financial institution to ORDER them, they must order a pallet of them. Comes in a huge blue bag and costs a ton, i think they sell them by weight! ha

  47. fmtransmitter says

    Not many banks want to order 2,615 pounds of a single type quarter but the MAIN Branch may so you need to ask around…

  48. fmtransmitter says

    America the Beautiful Quarters

    To purchase America the Beautiful (ATB) Quarters through the Circulating Bulk Purchase Program, customers (individuals or businesses) must:

    purchase the minimum of one bulk bag, which contains 200,000 coins
    pay for the coins at face value ($50,000) plus a processing fee, which equals 3% percent of total order value ($1,500 per bag)
    pay in full and in advance via electronic funds transfer to the United States Mint (instructions are provided after the order is entered and the inventory is confirmed)
    assume all shipping costs and arrange pick up to receive coins at the dock of United States Mint facilities in Philadelphia or Denver for coins manufactured in Philadelphia or Denver, respectively

  49. fmtransmitter says

    I don’t know any place that wants to pay $1,500 so you can get fresh minted quarters but KEITHSTER seems to! It is a trade secret!

  50. fmtransmitter says

    Circulating Dollar Coins: Native American and Presidential $1 Coins

    To purchase Native American and Presidential $1 Coins through the Circulating Bulk Purchase Program, customers (individuals or businesses) must:

    purchase the minimum of one bulk bag, which contains 140,000 coins
    pay for the coins at face value ($140,000) plus a processing fee, which equals 8.5% percent of total order value ($11,900 per bag)
    pay in full and in advance via electronic funds transfer to the United States Mint (instructions are provided after the order is entered and the inventory is confirmed)
    assume all shipping costs and arrange pick up to receive coins at the dock of United States Mint facilities in Philadelphia or Denver for coins manufactured in Philadelphia or Denver, respectively

    Try and order some dollar coins! Whew!

  51. Ikaika says

    @ longarm

    “none of them are graded because I think the grading game is a scam.”

    I agree that in most cases it is a big scam. However, in the case of the 5 oz bullion ATB’s, many like myself do not have the resources to buy a tube or box to search for that MS69 DMPL. Therefore, paying a premium for a graded one makes sense. Or you can keep playing the lottery with the major PM dealers.

  52. longarm says

    Ikaika – I do have a couple graded bullion pucks like Acadia and Hawaii ms69dmpl but that is the exception for me because I can’t tell the difference between a 69 and a 70 and I like the ungraded version just as well.

  53. thePhelps says

    fm…I don’t think banks “buy” circulating coins. They get them from the fed in exchange for other currency etc… I am pretty sure any bank can request the latest circulating coins. Some credit unions actually do participate in coin resell and purchase mint products – but circulating coins are exchanged between the banks and the feds.

  54. Dustyroads says

    It really just depends on the needs of the location the bank is in. One bank branch that I go into is surrounded by businesses, that bank is always loaded with every type of coinage one can desire. Another branch of the same bank miles away is so tight with their coinage that I literally have to ask them to place an order for anything over a couple rolls, and then pay a fee.

  55. longarm says

    I just wanted to comment about “resources” to buy silver. I use silver math and that’s when I weigh whatever it is I want against how much silver I could have. If i want a new phone? How much silver do I give up? Cable TV? That’s a coin a month I give up for it. Do I really need a big shiny new truck sitting in my driveway? Or does that equate to multiple monster boxes that I could have? The choice is yours, what are you willing to give up? I personally know people who are cashing in their chips right now (paying the penalty to get their 401k’s) and backing up the truck and buying silver just like I’ve been doing. The choice is yours.

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