2015 Presidential Dollars

Late last year, the United States Mint quietly posted the line art images of the 2015 Presidential Dollars on their website. To my knowledge there was no official announcement or press release, which made the line art images the first public indication of the design selections for the coins. The Mint has now posted images of the coins which will feature the 33rd to 36th Presidents of the Untied States, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon B. Johnson.

Initially, the Mint had prepared from four to six design candidates for each of the coins, which were provided to the Commission of Fine Arts (CFA) and Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee (CCAC) in March 2014 for review and recommendation. The complete set of design candidate images can be found here. Coverage of the CFA and CCAC’s recommendations can be found here and here.

The final design selections are shown below.

2015 Harry S. Truman Presidential Dollar

2015 Harry S. Truman Presidential Dollar
Designer and Engraver: Don Everhart

The final design selection followed the recommendations of both the CFA and CCAC. The CFA had called it the best portrait and the Chairman of the CCAC had asked members to give the design maximum points to go forward “with the strongest possible recommendation.”

2015 Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Dollar

2015 Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Dollar
Designer and Engraver: Joseph Menna

The final design selection for the Eisenhower Presidential Dollar was once again recommended by both the CFA and CCAC.

2015 John F. Kennedy Presidential Dollar

2015 John F. Kennedy Presidential Dollar
Designer and Engraver: Don Everhart

The design selected for the John F. Kennedy Presidential Dollar shows a downward pose intended to be reminiscent of the official White House portrait which was prepared posthumously. The CCAC had recommended this design, although some members had pointed out potential issues. The CFA did not offer a recommendation from the provided candidates. With regards to the selected design, members commented that the downward pose would not be successful on the coin and placed excessive emphasis on the top of the head.

2015 Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Dollar

2015 Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Dollar
Designer and Engraver: Michael Gaudioso

For the Lyndon B. Johnson Dollar, the final design matched the recommendation of the CCAC. The CFA had recommended an alternate design, which had also garnered some support from CCAC members.

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Comments

  1. fmtransmitter says

    Kennedy looks like HSN guy and Johnson looks like Nixon, what a disservice to Kennedy but I bet HSN guy loves it!

  2. fmtransmitter says

    placed excessive emphasis on the top of the head.
    Umm, duh…Wow…Big black spot like a bulls-eye, and I am NOT trying to be rude here either…

  3. jeff says

    I can’t support this offering, but it’s exactly what I expected from the mint. Next blonder please.

  4. thePhelps says

    I actually like the Harry and Ike… not sure who came up with the less than stellar JFK rendering… but they sure found a way NOT to make the coin look like anything anyone will recognize. There must have been JFK burnout at the mint…

  5. Samuel says

    OT,
    on ebay, there is this item 301466242800. in the title, it is MS70, in the photo, it is MS70 PL, the final price is MS70 price. so, is the item MS70 or MS 70PL?

  6. Ralph says

    I am LMAO right now!
    The Kennedy portrait does look like Mikey from HSN.
    Seriously, it is a lousy design. What is the significance of him looking downward like that?
    Truman: Excellent
    Eisenhower: Excellent
    Kennedy: Poor
    Johnson: Poor (lazy eye lol)

  7. Larry says

    Never really liked these. What really drives me nuts is the edge lettered date and mint mark. Coins just look weird without the date on the front or back. Please no more edge lettering!
    Kennedy does look like HSN guy. Really, with all the stuff they buy he should have his own coin!

  8. Ralph says

    Larry: I totally agree! I have disliked that edge lettering since they started in 2007. I would like to see the Sacabuck go back to it’s original design with the date on the front and no edge lettering. That process is what bangs the coin up so much.

  9. Hidalgo says

    @Samuel – go with the NGC label: MS70 PL. The PL designation makes this coin more valuable to those who seek proof – like coins.

  10. Tinto says

    That JFK coin “design” looks like an ad for hair restoration or a toupee. Disgusting choice is the word that comes to mind.

    Looks nothing like JFK do these CCAC people get feedback from the public on their choices or are they hidden away in Ivory towers and shielded from feedback?

  11. Hidalgo says

    The Presidential dollar and First Spouse gold series will end next year. So for those who are complaining about these coins will have nothing to complain about after 2016. I wonder what the US Mint will come up with next?

    Incidentally, if the US Mint produces future Presidential dollars and First Spouse gold coins after the living Presidents and First Spouses pass away, I’ll be in line to order a set of Bill and Hillary Clinton Presidential dollars and a set of Bill and Hillary First Spouse gold coins. 🙂

  12. Tinto says

    Truman and Eisenhower are great and dignified as it should be for presidents …

    LBJ looks kinda like he’s about to say “You talking to me?”

  13. fmtransmitter says

    I think, and have said, individual edge lettering would go a long way to help the collector base and counterfeiting. It isn’t mush to add the number to the edge for lower mintage, carefully handled numismatic offerings. The high production stuff, I can see it slowing down the process but for my own Proof coin, I would love to have my own number on the edge.

  14. CasualCollector says

    Just got 2 FDR Coin & Chronicles Sets.

    Question: Is the silver medal supposed to look like it has a “foggy film” all over it? Like the haze on a bathroom mirror after a hot shower (in regions where it gets cold in the winter)? Both of my silver coins have this “haze” — I want to open the holder and try to wipe it off, but I don’t think I should do that…

  15. fmtransmitter says

    It won’t wash off, it is stamped into it…Nothing gets rid of it, part of the coin now…Why I returned mine

  16. says

    Larry,
    PLease don’t give the HSN coin guy (Mike Mezak) any encouragement in regard to making a coin of himself. He just might commission one of those obscure foreign Mints to do just that, and then sell the product in a red oak presentation box with a very limited mintage.

  17. JBK says

    I have not seen the silver medals in person, but it it possible that they were given a patina? They don’t look antiqued in the pics but I did not not know if they were supposed to be brilliant unc or if they were given a light patina.

  18. says

    Fm,
    Are you having second thoughts about returning the scummy FDR silver medal to the Mint? After all, the grading companies are now adding a “foggy mirror effect” designation. This promises to be a highly sought after label.

  19. says

    I was not happy when the JFK design was previewed last year, and I am not any happier with the design now. The portrait selection for this year’s choices seems rather weak overall, but JFK looks especially terrible.

    What I’m more interested in is the Jackie Kennedy first spouse. She will probably be the only FS coin I pick up.

  20. Boz says

    Aircraft carriers and battleships of the US Navy would make a nice series, as would a century of US military aircraft. We could certinly use some different ideas. How about the Royal Family?

  21. Tinto says

    The CCAC had designs to choose from … and thus they should be given public feedback for their choices …. awful for the JFK coin the CFA did the right thing here by abstaining … as it seems it is a take it or leave it proposition by the US Mint .

    And it seems the final 2015 choices seem to reflect the official presidential portraits as per the link provided by @fmtransmitter … too bad the Mint did not submit something akin to the official FDR portrait …

  22. Dustyroads says

    Samual, I read the add and found this wording describing Silvertownes photos~

    Due to the high volume of product we sell, we use stock photos and you will not get the serial number shown in the picture unless specifically stated in the item specifics.

    It is a beautiful coin, but it very well could not be the coin the buyer will receive. It that turns out to be the case for the buyer, they still should complain or return the coin.

  23. vaughnster says

    LBJ has three problems. As fmtransmitter said, I see Nixon’s hair. Then as some mentioned is his wondering eye. Lastly, from his expression it looks like he’s flatulating 🙂

  24. Dustyroads says

    I like the way Harry Truman is holding his head high in this rendition, I don’t understand why all the others have to have their heads slightly lower as if they are unfulfilled. If I was doing the artwork I would consider straying from traditional and placing JFK’s head in a more satisfied looking position.

  25. Ends in Error says

    I think the Kennedy pose was inspired by the film classic ” Weekend at Bernies “.
    That Johnson Coin is outright repulsive. All the Coins are so bad I think this will be the year I won’t buy any Proof or Mint sets at all.

  26. Samuel says

    Dustyroads, the “PL” can make a difference of $2000. i am just curious about the outcome.

  27. Bob R says

    Truman design is very good, Ike is perfect, looks almost like a photo. Kennedy has that “Kennedy look”, it’s good. Johnson looks like he has a box of chocolates. (off the wall, as a child I shook hands with Ike when he visited the air base here, and a few years later been up close to Kennedy, just a few feet away when he was running for president)

  28. Bob R says

    Looking at the Kennedy coin, just under the second N of Kennedy at his hair part, looks rather strange, almost like a hole, anyone else see that?

  29. says

    Ends in Error,
    Yeah, I think that I will also pass on the proof and mint sets, where these less than inspiring presidential depictions reside. Instead, I’ll opt for the ATB silver proof set and buy a silver Kennedy proof on the secondary market. I’ll spend the bulk of the money on the 5 oz uncirculated pucks and stay with the silver theme.

  30. Government Drone says

    For whatever my opinion is worth…
    Truman: His eyes bother me a bit, as if he’s squinting in disapproval. Or imitating Vladimir Putin. It might look better on the actual coin, though.

    Eisenhower: Perhaps the best of this lot. He seemed to be an unpretentious person, & the portrait matches that.

    JFK: I never liked this downcast figure. Why did they go for this? Is it because they view him as a tragic figure of some kind? I wasn’t alive during his tenure, but I always think of him as someone who was a can-do guy, who challenged the country to get to the moon before the decade’s end just because it was a hard challenge. A portrait more like this: http://www.collectiblestampsgallery.com/prodimages/Kennedy%20AM135lg.jpg

    LBJ: Not terrible, but not terribly good, either. It looks either like him as portrayed by Jackie Gleason (getting ready to yell at Vice President Norton), or drawn by Jack Kirby.

  31. fmtransmitter says

    SilverFan says
    JANUARY 5, 2015 AT 5:01 PM

    The Kennedy coin will be issued in a red oak presentation box…lol
    awesome!!

  32. fmtransmitter says

    Tinto says
    JANUARY 5, 2015 AT 5:35 PM

    The CCAC had designs to choose from … and thus they should be given public feedback for their choices …. awful for the JFK coin the CFA did the right thing here by abstaining … as it seems it is a take it or leave it proposition by the US Mint .

    And it seems the final 2015 choices seem to reflect the official presidential portraits as per the link provided by MICHEAL, THE MODERATOR OF THE BLOG….

  33. Jerry Diekmann says

    Ralph – I agree with your thoughts on edge lettering and the JFK portraiture 100%. How can the Mint do such a disservice to FDR and JFK? And hopw could they make LBJ resemble Nixon? The men didn’t look anything alike. When Nixon gets his coin next year, the Mint should make him look like Pinnochio after he told a lie – it would be very apt as Nixon lied so many times to the American people.

  34. Dave SW FL says

    FM

    OMG, Ford looks like he went to Elmer Fudd’s orthodontist!

    Where do they get these images?

  35. D Rittenhouse says

    Here’s one data point. Yesterday (Sunday) morning I ordered two proof first lady gold coins, HP5 Lou Hoover and HP7 Eleanor Roosevelt, and this morning I received notice from the Mint that both coins had shipped. UPS tells me now that I’ll receive them on Thursday. This is fantastic service, IMHO.

  36. Jerry Diekmann says

    fmtransmitter – I didn’t know JFK had red hair? I don’t think this portrait was suitable for a coin, and I don’t think edge lettering would help collectors at all – in fact, I think it works just the opposite. I have collected coins for many years and I can tell you that the most important part of a coin is the date – even more important than the portrait. That is how coins have been bought and sold for a couple of hundred years now. If you can’t readily see the date, the coin loses its interest, IMO. That’s why I think the later Sacagawea and the Presidential dollars have been such flops. As for after 2016, when this series hopefully ends forever (but I think Reagan should be included in the series), the Mint should follow up with – NOTHING! Dollar coins will never be accepted or used by the American public as long as the BEP keeps cranking out dollar bills. Everyone knows that and it’s been common knowledge since the Ike dollars first came out in 1971. And as long as we are talking about bills, can we at last remove Jackson from our $20.00 bill and replace him with a more worthy man or woman? Jackson practiced genocide against native Americans and also believed stronly in slavery. He is not fit to represent great Americans on our nation’s currency. And it’s also high time to replace Grant on the $50.00 bill. Yes, he was a good general, but the Civil War ended 150 years ago, and his presidency was one of the worst in our country’s history, notwithstanding that Grant himself was an honorable man. We have many fine and worthy men and women to replace him. I would recommend Teddy Roosevelt for the $50.00 bill and I think an American woman should be placed on the $20.00 bill.

  37. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @jhawk92 says, January 5, 2015 at 2:34 pm
    ” . . . Dave-If you are wanting to just move that opened set, then yes, I am interested.”

    Yeah, why not — at my cost – product cost/shipping and you pay ship and insurance to your end.

    Right now, I am indisposed and posting, uh well, lets just say it is like driving — LOL! Let me know and I will give you a temporary e-mail address and then you e-mail to me and I will respond with details fo how to transact or you can give details, et cetera.

    Okay? I’ll get back to you.

  38. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    And hopefully, everybody and their dog will not contact me, claiming to be you — LOL!

  39. VaBeachEd says

    Jerry Diekmann,

    Did you know it was Andrew Jackson that had three of our mints built and start minting in 1838,….. New Orleans, Charlotte NC, and Dahlonega Georgia. That speaks a lot for what “WE” collect in coins. I have an 1839-C Half Eagle, the first year of the Liberty Gold and the only year that the Gold Liberty had the mint mark on the fron with the date.

  40. VaBeachEd says

    Jerry, You said, We have many fine and worthy men and women to replace him. I would recommend Teddy Roosevelt for the $50.00 bill and I think an American woman should be placed on the $20.00 bill.

    Well there is a reason they call them “DEAD PRESIDENTS” and we have not had a woman yet.

  41. JagFan says

    @FMTX – Did you see next months Perth Mint release schedule? Slated for Jan 30th? A two oz Goddesses of Olympus. No addtl details however it sounds like a f/u set to the Gods of Olympus.

    They are also releasing a special Star Trek Set and the next Disney Coin, Cinderella.

    Unfortunately. No Wedge Tail is listed.

  42. White Lightning says

    Has anyone read the article about pennies on( cashmoneylife.com)
    States this morning us mint announced the end of the penny by April 2015
    With an offering of a final proof set for sale.
    Is this bogas or what?

  43. Jerry Diekmann says

    VaBeachEd – We don’t need to have just dead presidents on our paper bills. Hamilton and Franklin were not presidents and they deserve to be on bills. As for the Charlotte, Dahlonega, and New Orleans mints, the first two were established after finding gold discoveries, and they minted only gold coins. I don’t think Jackson had anything to do with them, or very little to do with their establishment. As for New Orleans, given how our country was growing, New Orleans would have been a good choice for a new mint. Back then it was a much more important city than it is now. At the time of the Civil War, it was the largest city in the Confederacy, and its capture by the Union early in the war pretty much doomed the Confederacy, although ikt took three more years before that war finally came to an end. The future of this city, now half the size it was before Katrina, is in doubt – it lies below the level of the Mississippi River and is completely dependent on dikes, and global warming will just move the Mississippi back closer to the city. It might become an American Venice some day, or it may need to be abandoned.

  44. Louis says

    @FM- Just cause the JFK portrait is that way does not mean they had to choose that for the coin. I mean the other designs are not based on the official portraits. Look at FDR, for example. Anyhow, Ike and Truman are very good, the other two are very disappointing esp. the JFK. This was an opportunity to produce another product to complement the nice 2013 coins, and I have to say they got it way wrong.

  45. SilverHawk357 says

    Anyone else notice the typo in the 1st paragraph:

    “33rd to 36th presidents of the unTIED States….”

    fitting commentary for the last two awful portraits….

    (Sorry Michael, you do a fantastic job here)

  46. VA Bob says

    JFK is just looking down Marilyn Monroe’s dress.

    The only woman I’d like to see on a bill or coin is Lady Liberty, or a female Native American (no, not Warren). Could stand to take all the presidents and founding fathers off the bills and coins too. Many of them would be applaud to be on them, with fresh memories of King George in their minds. Liberty, Native Americans, buffalos (and other iconic American animals), and perhaps some of the vistas on the ATB (especially on bills where bigger canvas can be appreciated) would be fine by me.

  47. Jerry Diekmann says

    VA Bob – Liberty/Statue of Liberty would be a fine addition to the $20.00 bill, as it is the most commonly used bill next to the $1.00 bill. Although I think Jackson and Grant should definitely be replaced, I wouldn’t have any problem with the rest of the founding fathers – Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton and Franklin, plus Lincoln, being replaced too. If Congress would ever eliminate the $1.00 and $2.00 bills, that would end Washington and Jefferson’s portraits, as their bills would no longer be printed. Washington and Jefferson could then move to one of the other bills, maybe replacing Hamilton, Grant, or Franklin, with the Statue of Liberty on the $20.00 bill, which would now become the most widely used bill. Or put Washington and Jefferson on the new $1.00 and $2.00 coins, which would now circulate like the “Loonie” and “Twonie” do in Canada, after that country wisely stopped printing their $1.00 and $2.00 bills, plus got rid of their also worthless 1-cent piece. If the USA were to follow Canada’s lead, we could also no longer need to mint any more half dollars, which also don’t circulate. It’s time for JFK to leave the scene – he has been on coins now longer than he lived. Just my opinion.

  48. jhawk92 says

    @”Cool” Dave-that sounds fine and a fair price. I wondered how an email exchange would work. We all have an email addy used to post here on MNB so there’s got to be some way to make it work. I’ll keep an eye out.

  49. Ends in Error says

    Well my Eleanor Roosevelt Proof FS Gold is on the move. Monday it made it all the way to the shipping facility in Memphis. Expected delivery is Wednesday. Not bad at all. I’ll enjoy having the low mintage Proof FS for a little while before another Proof issue knocks the Eleanor down.

  50. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Well — so much for PRESIDENTIAL POTRAITS ON COIN, eh? Guess that puts another day into the books. Time to sign off now with the National Anthem and then either a long (TV) “beeeeeeeeeeeeee” sound or white noise . . . then disembodied voices talking about Presidential portraits or themselves, in that noise.

    Good Night all !

    Mr. “Cool” Dave 😉

  51. merryxmasmrscrooge says

    2015 Presidential Dollars Thanks, Michael. All look great!

    My evaluations of past Presidential dolllars rated from 1 to 10.
    2007 7/10
    2008 10/10
    2009 10/10
    2010 10/10
    2011 10/10
    2012 6/10
    2013 8/10
    2014 2/10
    2015 10/10

    Overall great job.

  52. merryxmasmrscrooge says

    2014 Presidential designs a little weak with low releif, but now I’d like to start collecting the entire series in proof if there is a folder.

  53. Brad says

    The sales report Excel spreadsheet has been updated. The Eleanor Roosevelt proof coin is showing 2,381 sold.

    Since the Mint had created that ad at the bottom of the website stating “Limited supplies are available, shop our remaining 2014 First Spouse Gold coins.”, it could be a sign that this one is actually sold out. They knew supplies of this one were getting low, hence the “remaining” language used in the ad.

    The uncirculated coin is at 1,379. I’m hoping that maybe the Mint originally made an even 4,000 of the 10,000 maximum, 2,400 proofs and 1,600 uncirculateds. I’ve been checking it every day since Friday, watching for it to get below 99. I don’t want to miss out. When it gets below 99, it will obviously go very fast.

  54. Hidalgo says

    @Brad – why not buy any of the First Spouse coins now instead of waiting? I realize that waiting until the last minute can give you an idea of the number of coins left for sale. On the other hand, if you’re certain about the projected mintage for a particular coin, then buying the coin now will mean that you won’t have any missed opportunities.

    I guess it’s always enthralling to experience the rush before a sellout takes place….! 🙂

  55. VA Bob says

    2 proof 2015 ASE’s scheduled to arrive today. I’m surprised they shipped via UPS for the budget option.

  56. Dave SW FL says

    @Brad
    To coattail on Hidalgo, you will also avoid higher pricing. Gold is starting to move up – the miners are showing strength and they typically lead the metal

  57. Brad says

    Hidalgo,

    Well, I already have one of each design and finish of the 2014’s. As far as buying extras goes, I want to be reasonably certain that the mintages are as low as I’m hoping. I don’t want to commit to extras of the Eleanor uncirculated coin just yet. Ralph said he was going to be checking multiple times a day too, as I’m sure others are as well. Once it gets below 99, word here will spread and they’ll disappear in a hurry. That is especially true if the mintage was in fact only 1,600. That would yield a sales number of probably 1,58X or less. It must be unsellable returns that always make the sales number less than the likely original even mintage number. 19 returned Eleanor proofs were scrapped I guess.

  58. J JONAH JAMESON says

    The Mint plans to release a companion coin in conjunction with the Kennedy dollar. The first crescent shaped coin ever created by the Mint will fit at the 8:00 position of the Kennedy coin, and will be a portrait of the top of Marilyn Monroe’s head.

  59. GoldFishin says

    Don’t look now, but silver and gold getting nice pop today on world doom and gloom. 😉

  60. Ends in Error says

    JJJ no doubt the Mint will add an extra dimension to the Coin and make it the first ” in motion coin”. Crecent shaped and with some sort of hinge arrangement.
    The US Mint moves aHead of the competition. What a Headline that would make.

  61. Leo S. says

    Brad

    Checked out the Mint message regarding the limited amount of FS coins. However, it makes no sense that the Mint would mint fewer Elenor Rosevelts coins than the lesser known Spouses. I too collect the FS and a few extras and am 5 FS behind. Do you think that the Mint will stop selling all the 2013 and 2014 at the same time?

  62. says

    It seems that silver is holding its own, and has even had an uptick today. Some posters on MNB had anticipated a lower price ($139.) for the ATB 5oz uncirculated, but I see the price for the first offering (Homestead, Nebraska) remaining at the $154. level.

  63. TMMSR says

    I am not sure what this means for the Eleanor Roosevelt FS Gold. But a few days ago, when I was reading the blog about the Eleanor Roosevelt coins getting low, I placed 99 in my cart (at the time maybe 43 were available) Nevertheless, I never cancelled the order of 99 coins. Today I went to the US Mint web site and I saw that I had 99 items in my cart, I clicked on the cart, and when I rolled over the coin description I am unable to place the order, and I receive the following message; “We’re sorry this product is no longer available. Remove from Bag.” I understand that the mint is sending out mixed messages about the Eleanor Roosevelt FS gold, but I believe that the message”We’re sorry this product is no longer available. Remove from Bag.” that I am receiving is legitimate. I think this coin is sold out.

  64. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Mr. Michael Zielinski:

    Hello —

    Pursuant to the blog exchange on 01/05/2015, example below:

    The Real “Cool” Dave says, January 5, 2015 at 9:15 pm
    “Maybe, somehow I can pass it through the MNB host to you?”

    jhawk92 says, JANUARY 6, 2015 AT 2:05 AM
    “@”Cool” Dave-that sounds fine and a fair price. I wondered how an email exchange would work. We all have an email addy used to post here on MNB so there’s got to be some way to make it work. I’ll keep an eye out.”

    Michael – therefore, could you pass my e-mail address to “jhawk92,” and vice-versa.

    Thank you for your help! 🙂

  65. gary says

    Well, suffice it to say that we are very near the end of quite possibly THE lamest concepts for a national coinage series, The Presidential dollars and the First Spouse commemoratives… a ten year project of exalting the irrelevant!

  66. Brad says

    Leo,

    At this point, I don’t think the Mint will be ending sales of any of the First Spouse coins until they actually sell out of all inventory. For the moment, it appears that to avoid the coins hanging around longer than the Mint wants them too (like the 2013’s), they backed off of production of the 2014’s. Production of the 2013 and 2014 coins might have been in equal quantities for the year for each design, with 2014 being lower than 2013. From what we can tell so far, it looks like the proofs of 2013 might have been minted in the amount of 2,850-2,900 (since Edith Roosevelt shows sales of 2,785 with a quantity of 60 remaining today), and the 2014 proofs in the amount of 2,400.

    If I had known the Mint was going to do something underhanded like continuing to sell the 2013 First Spouses after 12/31/14, I would never have bought an extra of both the Ellen and Edith Wilson Uncirculated coins. Those low sales numbers should already be locked in under the old rules, but the Mint changed them in the middle of the game. Now they’ll likely be sold until the actual mintage number is reached, and there is still no indication of what that number is. Probably 2,100 or 2,150, if the proofs were 2,850-2,900. Maybe it was a total of 5,000 each in 2013, but only 4,000 each in 2014.

  67. Brad says

    Ralph,

    They would be the lowest of each finish for the entire series so far, unless one of the other 2014’s later comes in under those numbers. If all 2014 designs were minted in equal quantities, then the differences in the final reported sales numbers across designs will likely be very small. Sort of like the final sales numbers for the 2013 Presidential Dollar & First Spouse Medal sets. Theodore Roosevelt apparently had 5,000 produced, while the other four sets had 4,000 produced. The sales numbers for those five sets on today’s Excel update were:

    McKinley (3,982)
    Roosevelt (4,982)
    Taft (3,973)
    Wilson Ellen (3,978)
    Wilson Edith (3,986)

    Unsellable returns must make up the slight differences under the even amounts.

  68. Ralph says

    Brad,

    Do you have the numbers on the 2014 Coin & Medal Set’s? They are all “out of stock”.

  69. vk says

    2014 Pres and FS MDL numbers for this week:

    2014 PRES $1 & FS MDL SET – HARDING 4,522
    2014 PRES $1 & FS MDL SET – COOLIDGE 4,560
    2014 AM EAGLE PLATINUM PROOF 1 OZ 4,626
    2014 PRES $1 & FS MDL SET – ROOSEVELT 7,068
    2014 PRES $1 & FS MDL SET – HOOVER 4,545

  70. fmtransmitter says

    I would recommend Teddy Roosevelt for the $50.00 bill and I think an American woman should be placed on the $20.00 bill.
    Agreed Jerry…:)

  71. Hidalgo says

    @Brad – if you’re chasing low mintage First Spouse gold coins, then there is a real possibility that the 2014 Eleanor Roosevelt coin would have the HIGHEST mintages among the 2014 FS gold coins (proof and uncirculated). Clearly, Mrs. Roosevelt is the most popular First Lady among the group of four. The U.S. Mint should know that and thus, may have minted MORE of this FS coin to meet consumer demand.

    The U.S. Mint may mint more of the 2015 FS gold coins than those minted in 2013 and 2014. The FS ladies depicted on this year’s coin are well known, since many of us have been alive or heard about them while they stayed in the White House.

  72. says

    It’s interesting how the Blog comments went from 2015 presidential dollars ( original topic) to the 2014 and 2015 FS coins. I guess gold trumps copper-manganese.
    Watch out, there may be another pop quiz on those beloved presidential dollars. Time to refresh your memories.

  73. Brad says

    Hidalgo,

    Yes, that possibility did occur to me and it may turn out to be the case. However, it doesn’t look too likely based on the other reported sales figures. If there were more Eleanor Roosevelt proofs than the other 2014’s, then it would seem that the Florence Harding and Grace Coolidge proof coins would already be sold out or at least showing less than 99 left available, which they’re not.

    The more likely scenario that would spoil the low-mintage sellout of the Eleanor Roosevelt proof would be if the Mint struck more in the final days of 2014 that are still at West Point, awaiting their packaging from the “slow boat from China.” We may not know for a while, as it seems the Mint has an aversion to marking items as “sold out” on the new website. Even items that are clearly sold out are left in that vague “out of stock’ status for weeks on end, despite strong evidence that they are in fact gone. Why else would the 2014 Coin & Currency Set still be called “out of stock” despite the sales report clearly showing that all 50,000 have been sold for the past three weeks? Why not call it “sold out” by now?

  74. MarkInFlorida says

    Truman and Ike look close enough, but JFK and LBJ are just horrible. The Mint should be ashamed of their art department. Sad.

  75. Hidalgo says

    @Brad – the US Mint may still have a supply of the FS Eleanor Roosevelt proof gold coin on its hands. It has long been my understanding that the US Mint keeps a supply of coins in its inventory in case buyers want to return their purchased coins.

    Really, no one can predict the actions of the US Mint. What drives them is the opportunity to make a profit. Why else would they put the Baseball Hall of silver coins back on sale when they were previously sold out?

  76. fmtransmitter says

    frank says
    JANUARY 6, 2015 AT 5:08 PM

    what is the difference between “out of stock” and “sold out” at the mint?
    1st one you cant get anymore and other one they are waiting on packaging in most cases.

  77. fmtransmitter says

    Dave SW FL says
    JANUARY 6, 2015 AT 4:33 PM

    FM
    Back in the day that would have been considered porn money
    Never heard of it but if you say so…

  78. VaBeachEd says

    FS Eleanor Roosevelt proof gold coinis still “OUT OF STOCK” , but now it is $20.00 cheaper at $770.00!!!!!

  79. Brad says

    Rick,

    Yeah, someone else must have cancelled last Saturday morning too, as there were two in stock for a short time before someone else bought them.

    What made you change your mind?

  80. Tom says

    The 2014 1st spouse coins remind me of the 2012-P ATB pucks. Interest in the pucks were decreasing then a number of them started selling out starting with the Hawaii coin (which ended up having the lowest mintage). The last 3 puck from 2012 all had low similar mintage totals. I’m guessing (like many others) the same will hold true for the 2014 spouse coins. Just my thoughts…

  81. Rick says

    All three coins of mine are problem coins that are very likely others’ returns. Check yours carefully.

  82. vk says

    I think the ER FS PF is sold out at the mint. My guess is based on the banner on the bottom of the us mint home page that says ‘Limited Supplies are Available… Shop our remaining 2014 First spouse Gold coins’. IF it is limited supply, mint was not going to run a new batch knowing how unpopular this series is.

    Unless mint intentionally or unintentionally misguides us with that banner , this should be sold out.

    If I were to guess – Mint must have made same mintage for all 4 FS. Even if they continue to sell for rest of 2014, its hard to sell the remaining few hundreds left in each of the proof.

    Time will tell. And as others pointed, this may be only a interim game until you find another low mintage product.

  83. vk says

    @Rick – If you already got your coin and returned, I am assuming you bought early last week, way before the Friday count down frenzy? Reason I am asking is – if that’s the case – its not good sign for people orders in last several days. good idea to inspect when u get it.

  84. Rick says

    I bet the majority of the last batch sold are returned problem coins. Both PCGS and NGC are tough on proofs relative to MS.

  85. John c says

    Well Rick I bought coin number 66 65 and 64 it should arrive in a few days. I will inspect them and see what they look like. Vk, I totally agree with you. I doubt the mint is making more than 4k of each design. There is no doubt that 2014 will be the key for the spouse series with 2013 a close second. I feel confident though that the ER proof will be the most sought after coin in the whole series, there is no other spouse proof that could beat it, especially the fact that she was a very popular fist lady. When all the dust settles this coin will command a significant premium.

  86. Ends in Error says

    When all is said and done about these Spouse Coins in a few years it will be interesting to see if they will sell better than the Jackie Robinson BU Coin?
    I guess that’s still in the future but I’m just wondering.

    And when will the Mint put out a Mantle Coin? A Joe DiMagio Coin would be super also. Hey there’s somethng to think about. The next Gold Coin series after the Spouses have faded into the west. A MLB HOF Players series would be huge.

  87. Ends in Error says

    Just thinking of a series of coins honoring the Baseball greats makes me want to trash all these Presidential Coins and their Spouses also.

    And junk like US Marshals, US Constitution and Library of Congress? Forget about it.

    Come to think of it a Baseball Series in Silver would be more in line than Gold.

  88. Bob R says

    Received the FDR set today, rather impressed with the design and packaging of it. It has class.

  89. Hidalgo says

    @Ends in Error – I like the idea of baseball greats themed coins. But it will never happen. Congress passes laws on commemorative coins. So we’ll continue to see themes involving Presidents, American symbols and institutions, etc.

    @Bob R – I love my FDR set. Despite the cost, it is definitely a keeper! 🙂

    To all who bought a Roosevelt FS proof gold coin. I have seen relatively little much market movement (either on eBay or with coin dealers), even though the coin is out of stock. It may (or may not) take weeks before the coin is listed as officially sold out. With the new ordering system, I am uncertain how a late designation will impact secondary market prices after the status changes from “Out of Stock” to “Sold Out.” I guess we’ll learn as we go….

  90. CasualCollector says

    I returned my FDR Chronicles sets. The Silver medal was too ugly to look at. Quality Control was missing during that batch (imho).

    I like the package overall with the stamps and presentation materials and I plan on ordering another set once the refund hits my card.

  91. says

    While a HOF baseball series honoring the great baseball players seems like a good suggestion, it seems something like this would have a better chance being done by a private Mint rather than the U.S. Mint.

  92. thePhelps says

    My FDR set was very nice – although I preferred the presentation of last years Teddy set.

    The worst coin in my FDR set was the proof dollar. It has almost no definition to the features and looks heavily sand blasted and quite grainy. I’d give it a PF60 and that is only because I know it wasn’t circulated.

  93. thePhelps says

    Hawkster – agree that a private mint would be a better place to take the HOF coins too. Especially considering the mint can only issue 2 commemorative coins a year – my Greg Maddux coin wouldn’t be issued until sometime early in the next century…

  94. says

    The Phelps,
    Yeah, we don’t want the U.S. Mint turning into a Franklin type Mint, with an endless supply of candy shop offerings. As it is, some of the commemoratives are reaches, with the main criterion being some type of odd anniversary. Many of the recent Mint offerings, in fact, celebrate anniversaries of the coin series itself–the latest one being the Kennedy 50th. And some are coming up this year.

  95. Hidalgo says

    Next year (1916)will be a great opportunity for the US Mint to issue 100 year anniversary cons for the Mercury dime, Standing Liberty quarter, and Walking Liberty half dollar.

    Now how exciting would that be? 😀

  96. thePhelps says

    Hidalgo…the only problem is they can’t actually issue the coins. I believe Congress has to create a law for them to issue coins – even commemorative type coins of that nature. Which is why we get to purchase medals… since no law has been passed requesting them to mint coins marking the 100th anniversaries.

  97. Hidalgo says

    @thePhelps – you’re correct. However, I recall reading an article where the US Mint was proposing to commemorate the 100 year anniversary — in some way — of one or all of these coins. I’m not sure of the current status of that proposal.

    Anyways, there’s still time for Congress to take action before 2016 arrives….!

  98. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    Law applicable to UHR applies to ’16 prospects –

    Authority to produce the gold coin would be sought from the Secretary of the Treasury under 31 U.S.C. § 5112(i)(4)(C). As discussed yesterday, this section of the law provides the Secretary with the authority to strike gold coins with broad discretion over the design, specifications, qualities, denominations, and inscriptions. Authority to produce the silver medals would be sought from the Secretary under 31 U.S.C. § 5111 (a)(2). This section allows the Secretary to produce national medal dies and strike national and other medals.

    http://mintnewsblog.com/2014/07/ccac-supports-potential-2015-24-karta-gold-ultra-high-relief-coin/

  99. thePhelps says

    cag… I read that article before and still see the same things. The change in the laws regarding gold coinage has given the mint some extra latitude – and the UHR was the only one I have read that “might” be a coin… the others have all been mentioned as medals.

  100. thePhelps says

    Then again… I am more of the belief when Washington is concerned… laws are guidelines for the rest of us.

  101. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    Error – you may have to wait a while for another ‘domed’ coin though the domed coin idea is being tossed around for a possible 2019 50th Anniversary Apollo landing commemorative (from what I’ve read elsewhere) – which would be absolutely stellar!

  102. CasualCollector says

    @KCSO
    “absolutely stellar” — I love the usage of words 🙂

    Actually, that would be great to keep interest in the “original” domed coin (BHoF). Although that’s so long away…

  103. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    CasualCollector – thank you.

    No worries here of the interest fading for the ‘original’ domed coin!
    In the last 10 months, they just haven’t gone away.., heck 4 years from now we’ll be discussing the mintage vs. demand of B35 and why more weren’t sold, B33 will be 2x+ current value, and B32 FS 70 will reign supreme over Jackie Robinson (note, I didn’t mention ER) 😉

  104. says

    Keep Calm
    I’ m sure that just about every year presents the Mint with an opportunity to commemorate some sort of anniversary with a coin offering. The 50th of the Apollo landing? I’m sure the Mint’s history team is already on it; it’s not that far out (pun intended). Do you think this commem will “command” “astronomical” prices on the secondary market? Maybe it will “take off” and “eclipse” the HOF offerings in popularity. Let the “countdown” begin.

  105. thePhelps says

    Hawkster… I am shocked you never mentioned how it would be a giant step for the mint…

  106. JBK says

    I loved the BHOF coins but if they go too far down that road it will ruin the Mint’s credibilty in my opinion. But, a domes cojn for the Apollo anniversary woud be incredible, assumign the convex side was the moon’s surface.

    On to JFK halves – anyoner think that the 2-coin unc. set might make a brief return? It is OOS and close to a sell out (or sold out) based on he last mintages I saw, but based onlack of SOLD OUT nortice I am wondering if a few moe will pop up, like the HOF dollar coins.

  107. cagcrisp says

    @JBK, Yep on the JFK 2 coin. I’ve been watching the same thing. The last 3 weeks it has been stuck Slightly above 298k. I look for a Brief re-opening…

  108. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    Hawkster – by the time the “countdown” is complete, I just hope we have arrived at a destination of an eCommerce “end-to-end solution {that} will better serve United States Mint customers by gaining cost and processing efficiencies, and enhancing the customer experience through a fully integrated solution. The end-to-end solution will allow the United States Mint to capitalize on industry best practices leveraged by other brand-name retail organizations, enabling the United States Mint to keep pace with market developments.” LOL, LMAO

    OR simply put – how about turning on Live Chat.., so I don’t have to call to find out where my goods are and then only hear that they don’t know where the goods are!

  109. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    The GIANT STEP would be to have accurate BO, OOS, SO inventory management…,

    or LESPSs offered in their RELEASE Year.

  110. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    JBK – how cool would a concave side be as if looking out of the command module window back to earth? Or Eagle separation? Ok, I’m getting ahead of myself…

  111. VA Bob says

    Received my two 2015 ASE proofs today. They look beautiful. It makes me wonder why the Mint can’t seem to duplicate the quality to the degree they have with these ASE coins.

    As a follow up to opening Mint sealed boxes, I mentioned on the other topic, I used this opportunity to experiment on my ASE shipment. I used a heat gun on low (Not Hawkster’s microwave advice), a hand held hair dryer would do. I was able to open the box in short order using heat and a butter knife with no sign of tampering. The shipping label did not cover the box flaps, it was on the back side. I took that off as well by applying heat, it is more than sticky enough to replace on the box. One interesting note, a small label partially covering the shipping label turned dark under heat (must have been created with thermal paper, for a thermal printer), but it came off easily too. That’s all that really matters as a person committing fraud only need get the label off. It’s easy to print a new one.

    Why did I do it? I don’t buy sealed boxes from anyone besides the Mint. I just want our family here to be careful, both buyers and sellers (I’d be leery accepting returns of unopened Mint boxes if I sold them). Probably not an issue with low priced stuff, but it’s so easy to do that I wouldn’t put it past someone looking to rip others off. I’m surprised one or more of the TPG accept these as proof for FS/ER.

  112. says

    The 1969 Apollo landing on the moon has, as many of you know, already been celebrated on the reverse of the Ike dollar. An Eagle clutching an olive branch while landing on the moon is depicted. This is based on the Apollo 11 mission insignia. For the bicentennial Ike, the reverse has the Liberty Bell superimposed against the moon.
    Do we also need to celebrate the 50th anniversary through a commemorative? If it generates revenue for the Mint, most definitely. Michael, thanks for giving me this “space” to comment.

  113. thePhelps says

    VA Bob… I first noticed the “sealed envelopes” when I was actively collecting the 50’s era coins. People were all over these as gospel they were getting untampered with coins. The sad thing is that the mint issued envelopes were not sealed and too many people had no idea. Then to top that off – you could buy brand new envelopes – exactly like those the mint shipped out. There are a bunch of people out there who bought these “sealed” mint sets from the 50’s that still have not opened them… and have no idea what is inside. For all they know it could be modern coin sets in a classic envelope….

    Then you added the “unsearched roll” hunters and now the sealed mint shipping boxes… all I can say is if it can turned for a profit – there are plenty of con’s that will find a way to do it.

  114. fmtransmitter says

    the new thing is cheap x ray type machines able to see inside a sealed envelope and know if it is a bad coin or not without opening it.

  115. VA Bob says

    KCSO – Your enthusiasm for some space related coinage is contagious. I’d like to see some too. My dad was on the ship that recovered the space capsule with the monkey, Ham, onboard. In fact he was part of the team that helped recover it. Anyway, he had a friend in the radio room that gave him the teletype (which normally would be destroyed) with the details of the monkeys condition and loads of information, the roll of paper is a few feet long. He gave it to me when I was a kid. Still have it. I keep it in a mailing tube.

    I have a silver Soviet three ruble proof commemorating Gagarin’s 30 year anniversary I bought back in 1991. It is accompanied in a nice case by a medal made from a Soyuz spacecraft (very light in weight).

    The coin looks like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commemorative_coins_of_the_Soviet_Union#mediaviewer/File:Commemorative_silver_3_rouble,_Yuri_Gagarin,_1991.png

    Here is the medal:
    http://www.ussr-airspace.com/index.php?main_page=document_general_info&cPath=24_54_71&products_id=647

    Not sure why we here in the US have neglected such a huge accomplishment in our history. If I’m not mistaken the last coin with a space theme was the Christopher Columbus commem.

  116. VA Bob says

    thePhelps – Yeah plenty of issues with the mint envelopes. Even storing them with a little humidity could cause them to seal. I have seen the TV hucksters selling these as unsearched though, even to the point of suggesting they not be opened to preserve their collectability. Crazy.

    FM – I’d just be worried correct coins but cherry picked would be in those envelopes. The mint has been using envelopes for mint sets until just a few years ago when they went to those awful (IMO) thin cardstock with blisters for the coins. I’d prefer they kept them in the Mylar. At least they were sealed from air contaminants. Not so sure with these new holders.

  117. VA Bob says

    Hawkster – it was also on the reverse of the SBA dollar, but the Ike dollar was a much nicer canvas due to the size. I guess you can count the 1999 SBA, but how many of those does one see these days?

  118. Hidalgo says

    Michael posted the US Mint sales report for the reporting period ending January 4, 2015. For those who went on a buying spree for the Roosevelt gold proof coin during the weekend, 110 were sold. The uncirculated version: 43 coins sold.

    Eleanor Roosevelt Proof (2014) 2,381 110
    Eleanor Roosevelt Unc (2014) 1,379 43

  119. Hidalgo says

    One more time – hope to make this post more clear:

    Eleanor Roosevelt Proof (2014) — 2,381 — 110
    Eleanor Roosevelt Unc (2014) — 1,379 — 43

  120. fmtransmitter says

    That was my first return Casual Collector. I must say, I have had good luck over the years and by that I mean I kept coins I should have returned but that FDR silver medal was horid IMHO. I did order another set hoping for better, if not, back it goes, I can do without.

  121. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    Hidalgo – you’ve been at this for quite some time and have made some good calls over the ’13-’14 release season.., where do you see these low mintage FS coins in a couple of years?

    And “time will tell” doesn’t count… 😉

  122. says

    I’ve always been skeptical of the 1955 – 1964 proof sets in their “sealed” Mint envelopes that show up with frequency on ebay. Any nitwit with a water kettle can easily steam open a sealed envelope and reglue it after checking out the contents.

  123. says

    ThePhelps is absolutely right when he commented that these envelopes are never sealed by the Mint. As regards the sealed ones offered on ebay: they either became sealed from humidity over the years or, more likely, the ebay sellers sealed them after inspecting the contents (cherry picked) and determining that they contained mediocre or flawed coins. Of course, the seller is trying to increase the wow factor for unsuspecting buyers.

  124. Jerry Diekmann says

    Since nothing happened with the 50th anniversary of NASA in 2008 (there was only one commem program that year), a 50th anniversary of the moon landing for a 2019 coin might be a nice idea. But remember it was included on the reverse of the Ike dollars from 1971-1974 and 1977 and 1978.

  125. Jerry Diekmann says

    VABob – I wonder if that’s the last coin ever minted by the Soviet Union. The USSR went out of existence in 1991. What a shame they never got to mint a 75th anniversary coin – NOT!

  126. merryxmasmrscrooge says

    Yeah, 100th anniversary coins of 2016 std. lib. half, quarter and mercury dime would be great. But Congress first has to pass a law, that could take another 100 years. This reflects inefficiency in our govt.
    How many people does it take to screw in a light bulb?

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