2015 Proof American Silver Eagle

Today, January 2, 2015 at 12:00 Noon ET, the United States Mint will begin sales of the 2015 Proof American Silver Eagle. This represents an earlier than typical start for the Mint’s most popular numismatic product as measured by unit sales volume.

Last year the 2014-dated Proof Silver Eagle opened sales three weeks later in the year on January 23, 2014. As of the most recent sales report, orders have reached 741,379 units and the product continues to remain available on the Mint’s website.

Notably, the 2015 Proof Silver Eagle is beginning sales prior to the bullion version of the coin. The US Mint announced that they would begin accepting orders from authorized purchasers for the bullion coins starting on January 12, 2015. This may spur some additional demand for the proof from collectors eager to get their hands on the first 2015-dated coin from the US Mint.

2015 Proof Silver Eagle

The 2015 Proof Silver Eagle obverse design features Adolph A.Weinman’s classic depiction of walking Liberty enveloped in folds of the flag with one hand extended forwards and the other holding a bouquet of laurel and oak branches. The inscriptions include “Liberty” in widely spaced letters above, “In God We Trust” to the right, and the date “2015” below.


The reverse design of the coin by former Chief Engraver John Mercanti features a heraldic eagle with shield. A ribbon is in the eagle’s beak bearing the words “E Pluribus Unum” and a bundle of arrows and olive branch are clasped in its talons. Thirteen stars appear above. The inscriptions “United States of America”, “1 oz. Fine Silver”, and “One Dollar” appear surrounding.

Each coin is struck in 1 troy ounce of 99.9% pure silver to proof quality. The diameter is 1.598 inches an the thickness is 0.12 inch. The coins carry the “W” mint mark to signify production at the West Point Mint.

The 2015 Proof Silver Eagle is priced at $48.95 per coin. This represents a reduction of $4 per coin compared to the opening price for last year’s issue. There are no stated product or household ordering limits imposed.

The next numismatic product releases from the United States Mint are scheduled for January 13, 2015. On this date, the 2015 Birth Set and 2015 Happy Birthday Coin Set will go on sale.

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  1. fmtransmitter says

    Do not have that option Casual…No button that says that and all my orders still say processing, they never say shipped even though they do.

  2. Roll tide says

    I got a email from the mint saying the had received my order for PSE , I guess the subscription is working

  3. cagcrisp says

    @GoldFishin, The bond short is Under Water. ISM numbers were Much weaker than anticipated. I added to my short this morning after the ISM numbers.

    I got a client in this morning. Same client I got a 3.3% CD in January. Perfect hedge against this 3.3% CD…

    Good luck on your oil play. I still think the Saudis are trying to flush out someone. 1/3 position to $ cost average is good way to put your toe in.

    I think oil will see a 4 handle before it sees a 6 handle. I plan on getting back in around 50…If I miss it I miss it. I don’t like the way XLE is trading and I don’t like USO for a taxable account.

    One thing I learned from Amarillo Slim, There’s always another poker game…

  4. thePhelps says

    I’m hoping the Saudis are going stop playing monopoly with oil. I think it is shale or the Soviets they are trying to eliminate – so far they are doing a good job on the later…

  5. says

    It’ll be pretty interesting to see how this release does. While I think there will be eagerness to get the first 2015 dated US Mint coin, at the same time, I am also expecting the downward moves of silver price to cause some people to hedge their bets.

    At the same time, though, more people than ever at my workplace seem to be asking me about buying silver coins, so it’s hard to say.

  6. cagcrisp says

    @thePhelps, I think it’s Putin. Shale hurts the US economy. Saudis have to much money invested in the US.
    They may do it to hurt and curtail some shale but not enough to Overall drag the US economy (Their Big Bank exposure)…

  7. thePhelps says

    cag…I agree with that. I think Putin didn’t expect to be exposed like he is. Plus there are enough markets for oil that another player shouldn’t impact them too much. That said though you have to wonder if they’ll try and get back to $125 again or if the lower price is going to hang around. The higher price certainly drives development of alternatives – and if enough alternatives or a true breakthrough comes about…they’ll be left holding next to nothing. Cheaper oil keeps them in business longer…

  8. Ends in Error says

    Wow I just zipped in and out of the Mint website as if it were Amazon. No hangups whatsoever. And my order history shows the 2015 Proof SAE’ s I just ordered as ” in process “. Truely amazing.

  9. says

    Ends in Error,

    The website upgrade clearly worked in that we haven’t had a real slowdown/crash since it went up. I am pretty grateful the mint did this.

    I had troubles ordering the £100 for £100 Big Ben coin on the UK Royal Mint’s website due to a stampede over the holidays, and it was almost like dealing with the good old days of Perth Mint/US Mint website crashes.

  10. fmtransmitter says

    cag? no disrespect but ya’ll are talking about investments in this forum about the US Mint. I exchanged emails with other users to talk investments etc…see below

    @GoldFishin, The bond short is Under Water. ISM numbers were Much weaker than anticipated. I added to my short this morning after the ISM numbers.

    I got a client in this morning. Same client I got a 3.3% CD in January. Perfect hedge against this 3.3% CD…

    Good luck on your oil play. I still think the Saudis are trying to flush out someone. 1/3 position to $ cost average is good way to put your toe in.

    I think oil will see a 4 handle before it sees a 6 handle. I plan on getting back in around 50…If I miss it I miss it. I don’t like the way XLE is trading and I don’t like USO for a taxable account.

    One thing I learned from Amarillo Slim, There’s always another poker game…

    zero US Mint talk? Again, no disrespect…

  11. fmtransmitter says

    So I called CS and they added the tracking number for the return of the horrible FDR set. Found out there is NO EXCHANGES, only REFUNDS, so I ordered another one hoping for a nice medal like ya’ll got in here, and added a Proof SE. Hope everyone gets 70’s! BTW, ol Barry on TV said it finally, BTW folks, they are going to be 69 or 70 in modern and if you get a 68 it might be worth more! I thought that was funny. PLEASE educate yourself if you are new to this hobby and take advice from people that have been at it for a long time to save yourself time and MONEY. Labels can mean NOTHING, grading is SUBJECTIVE, and ALL MODERNS are PROOF are 69 or 70…Good Luck all..

  12. stephen m says

    Russia probably has a back door for their oil to be sold anyway. Also I can’t understand how low oil and gas prices are bad for the US economy as some say or predict. Bring back $20 a barrel oil and everyone will have more money in their pocket to be spent else where. I did notice milk came down .53 cent a gallon locally. Back OT I received that mint e-mail thanking for the enrollment purchase of my favorite, the 2015 proof ASE. The mint will have them at their booth at the Fun show.

  13. Bernie in FL says

    Just bought my ASE Proof.

    USM028538xx $53.90 01/2/2015 This order contains 1 item. PROCESSING

  14. GoldFishin says

    @fmt- my apologies for the off topic discussion. The conservation has to do with my questions about the Gold/Oil ratio directed toward Cagcrisp. Our discussion has been ongoing for several weeks now. It not only has to do with the low price of oil, but more importantly, how does the oil price affect the future price of gold, which is something many of us here have a notable interest in. By all rights, gold should be falling, but it has shown remarkable strength. It is good to hear other perspectives about the price of gold and how it relates to other commodities, since most of us here are purchasing several US MINT products in the coming year. Happy New Year!

  15. cagcrisp says

    @fmtransmitter, Yep. My apologizes also. I do try to bring into my thinking of how Various markets are inter twined. Gold, oil, interest rates, USD, stocks, etc…

  16. rpk says

    I was just looking at the US Mint website and noticed at the bottom there is an ad saying there are only limited supplies left for the 2014 First Spouse coins. If you click on it, it only shows listings of the 2014 coins, but yet the 2013 coins haven’t been taken off sale. I am wondering how to interpret this.

  17. CasualCollector says

    @VA Bob
    Thanks for your view on Edge Lettering

    Interesting that a low-mintage coin with its EU Finish is being dropped into the edge-lettering Hopper before applying the Edge Letters. No wonder 70’s are hard to come by…

    I would have thought a special finish would have a little more care on the Edge Lettering (i.e. no hopper, but rather built into the die pressing). But it seems the hopper it is and the 70’s will be hard to come by…

  18. CasualCollector says

    When you called them, did you find out why your orders always say processing (and not shipped)? The system makes returns pretty easy (imho). It just sounds like something is wrong with your account if your orders never say “Shipped”

  19. says


    I don’t have any free shipping codes. Did the mint offer some? I have been somewhat disconnected from the goings-on at the mint over the past month due to the holidays. I did not really buy anything new recently until the Big Ben coin at the UK Royal Mint and the FDR Coin & Chronicles set.

    Also, it’s a bit late, but might as well wish everyone here a happy New Year. 🙂


    I don’t want to get too deep into the investment discussion, but I think the answer as to why gold/silver are still hanging in there is pretty simple: http://news.coinupdate.com/silver-eagle-bullion-coins-sold-out-at-record-4634/

    Demand for physical is still very high. Regardless of what futures prices are doing, metal buyers just don’t seem to believe they’re “real.” Every new drop in the price triggers greater and greater waves of buying. Futures prices are simply totally disconnected from actual physical demand at this point, both at a retail/individual buyer level as well as a sovereign level. To be honest, it almost seems to me that we’re seeing effects similar to what happens in socialist countries that impose price controls on goods (supply strains/shortages, higher premiums, etc).

  20. Dustyroads says

    CasualCollector, It’s my impression that the EU Native American dollars were created rather quickly without much expense, which is how the Mint can remain profitable while selling the lower mintage coins. I just don’t see a high level of technology being used to create these. I would have much rather seen a proof appearance on the coin where the wire brush effect was used. Proud non the less of the wise readers of MNB who jumped on these, even those few who needed a bit more pushing.

  21. Louis says

    I ordered the ASE proof plus the FDR set and an Everglades puck and they gave me a free upgrade to UPS ground. I thought it was still $300 for that and my order was less, but I am not complaining! My last order of Sacabuck sets is supposed to arrive today or maybe not. No biggie if it is Mon.

  22. SilverHawk357 says

    Not buying anything from the Mint until they resolve an order problem I’m having from the 1st day of release of the Silver Kennedys. I ordered 5 sets of Silver Ks, 3 sets of the UNC Ks and a 3″ Bronze World Trade Center medal. They marked the medal as “shipped” but never sent it in the box with the UNCs. Charged me for it, of course. Filled out the discrepancy form and sent it to the address in Dallas. Form says it may take up to 4 weeks to process. Yeah right. No acknowledgement from the Mint that the form is in process. Called them, person said “they’ll let me know” by email if I’ll get the medal or not.
    I’m out $40.00. I’ve bought gold, silver and am a bulk purchaser. If I was a cheat, I would have picked something more expensive to cheat them on. Never had this happen before. Why can’t they acknowledge this claim online? They just list all my orders as “shipped”. Amounting to tens of thousands of dollars.
    What poor customer service. I have cancelled all my subscriptions and will not buy from the Mint again if this is how they operate.

  23. Brad says


    I saw that too, and was also wondering about it. I hope it means that the Mint backed off of production of the 2014 First Spouses, after apparently having a lot of leftover 2013’s. As far as that page the ad takes you to that is sans the 2013 coins, I don’t know. There doesn’t seem to be any other way to find that page.

    It would be great if the 2014 First Spouses sold out early due to low production. That might give the series a much-needed shot in the arm. It’s tempting to gamble on the prospect, especially on Eleanor Roosevelt. However, it’s so expensive too! I don’t want to end up sitting on more overpriced bullion.

  24. VA Bob says

    CC – I recall a video back in 2008 that showed the edge lettering process for the presidential dollars. The Sac’s use the same thing. It kind of reminds me of those old Hot Wheels cars tracks, that had two motor driven rubber wheels spit the car out down the track.

    The coin hopper as I recall, was a slightly inclined, flat funnel feed that kept the coins flat (heads or tails) on the feed platform. They kind of “roll” face down against a flat grooved rail ( I would say to keep them from popping out) as wheel on the opposite side has the edge lettering, pressing it into the rim and moving the coin along.

    They might have a slower process for proofs, but I believe they use the same machinery. The rim of the coins should be high enough to protect the fields and the devices, no matter heads or tails. Possibly the hopper pan (at least for proofs and other collectable coins) is coated and not bare metal. This is theory of course, but I’ve noted many people tend to find flaws around the rim faces.

    The 2009 UHR used a collar die for it’s edge lettering. It is possible to see the collar seams on those. Of course the softness of gold would prevent the method used with the sacs and presidential dollars. I want to say the pucks also use the same as the dollars and would explain the number of rim dings and scratches. I’m sure they go through relatively slowly and might be hand fed.

  25. Hidalgo says

    @Brad and @rpk – the U.S. Mint placed the Florence Harding gold coin on sale on July 10, 2014. I believe the U.S. Mint will conclude sales until at least July 9, 2015 or earlier, if the available inventory is sold.

    Considering the potential for further declines in gold prices, it may be strategic to wait awhile before buying any of the 2013 – 2015 First Spouse gold coins. I bought a few First Spouse gold coins during 2010 – 2012. Most of them have fallen in value with the fall in gold bullion prices.

    It’s a chance that one has to take. I told myself awhile back that I would not chase low mintage coins any more. I prefer to buy coins that I like, not coins that I think will appreciate in value in the future.

  26. Brad says


    Yeah, I hear you. The good thing about it is, I DO like the First Spouses. I own at least one of each design in both proof and uncirculated finishes, and still have multiples left of quite a few as well. Once I had to abandon building two complete sets of each finish by the end of 2011, I’ve been selling off some of the extras I had bought. I was fortunate to sell off almost all of the extra 2007’s I had in October 2012 when gold was still $1,712 per ounce. I did it to finish raising the money needed to put 20% down on the new house my wife and I were buying.

    I may gamble on picking up extras of the Eleanor Roosevelt coins, since she’s always been one of the more popular First Ladies. It could be that the mintage of her coins might not be much higher than the other 2014’s. If we luck into her proof coin coming in with a mintage under 2,500, that might get some attention on the secondary market. It’s probably worth taking a chance on at $790 per coin, but I’m still considering.

  27. Ralph says

    Here’s something interesting I hadn’t known: I was placing an order today for an item on the Mint’s web site. After I entered the amount I wanted to purchase, these little red letters appeared telling me exactly how many were left, which were less than what I entered. So I entered that number and purchase went through. Immediately the item was listed as “out of stock”.

  28. Brad says

    Holy crap! The trick Ralph mentioned reveals that there’s only 83 Eleanor Roosevelt proof coins left. That amounts to only 2,354 coins when adding it to last week’s reported sales. Depending on how many more sold since December 28th, the mintage of that coin might be around 2,400 or less. I guess I’d better go ahead and buy more just in case.

  29. Brad says

    Ok, I placed an order for five Eleanor Roosevelt proofs, and now it shows there are 78 left. It might be gone in a couple more weeks. That would definitely be a nice development.

  30. says

    Brad and Ralph,

    You can employ similar tricks at the Perth Mint and APMEX. This will be quite the helpful feature going forward to track product availability.

  31. Brad says

    Continuing the experiment, the trick shows that there are only 63 Edith Roosevelt 2013 First Spouse proof coins left. Adding that to last week’s sales number yields 2,844. Could we be looking at mintages of 2,850 for 2013 proofs?

    This new website is growing on me! It’s kind of like APMEX now. Too bad the Mint caps the shopping cart quantity at 99. We can only tell when something is close to sellout when it’s under 99 coins left.

  32. Brad says

    Did one of you guys just buy 3 proof Eleanor Roosevelts? Now the trick shows there’s only 75 left! 🙂

  33. Ralph says

    I have to say I really like the amount on hand coming up like that. I wonder if it’s been like that or is that something new.

  34. Brad says


    Ha ha! Unfortunately, I can’t buy the rest of them and try to corner the market. However, anyone else here besides us who may be interested may pick up a few.

    Anyone who has access to the PCGS population reports, would you mind telling us how many proof Eleanor Roosevelts were graded as PF70DCAM First Strike? Those may end up going through the roof!

  35. CasualCollector says

    @Ralph and Brad
    What browser are you using? I cannot see the “remaining” count using Chrome

    btw, does that “remaining” amount only indicate it will be “Out of Stock”, and the Mint can always just produce more (up to the Mintage limit)?

  36. Ralph says

    I am using Crome. I just add 99 of something to my “Bag” (never going to like that term) and a box opens up with the amount left. I think it what is on hand. Not sold out. More might come later if available.

  37. Brad says


    It works on my Chrome browser. When you try to add 99 to your cart, up in the corner by your shopping bag it displays a red number with “items in stock” under it, also in red.

    2014 is over, so it could be the final number available. Unless the Mint struck more earlier this week that have not yet been shipped from West Point to the distribution center. That possibility did occur to me, but with so few left I didn’t feel comfortable waiting. Except for the few educated individuals here, a sellout could be considered a pretty big surprise and the secondary market price should spike, at least in the short-term.

    I doubt the Mint fooled with striking more 2014’s. The initial quantity was probably deemed enough.

  38. Hidalgo says

    @Casual Collector – it works in Chrome. I use Chrome.

    Enter the amount of the item you want, as if you are planning to buy it. After you save your order, place your cursor over the “View Bag” section of the website. If there is a limited number of items left, you’ll see a message, in red font, indicating the number left of that product.

    If there are plenty of the product left to sell, you won’t see the message.

  39. CasualCollector says

    Oh I got it — you have to actually add more than what’s available (or 99) to see the remainder. If you just add 2 then you won’t see the remainder…

    Thanks for the tip — although my gut feeling is that it’s just a counter until the current stock is gone, and that there’s room to make more (within stated mintage limits).

  40. Bernie in FL says


    Eleanor Roosevelt

    186 PCGS PF70DCAM First Strike
    6 PCGS PF70DCAM First Strike Mercanti

  41. Ralph says

    My credit cards are burning . Between the US Mint and Provident Metals I am maxed to the max!

  42. Bernie in FL says


    You and I think alike. I bought the last 3 Eleanor Roosevelt PCGS PF70DCAM First Strike Mercanti’s from MCM last month thinking exactly the same!!!

  43. thePhelps says

    @Casual… since these guys are talking the 1st spouse coins – I think it is safe to say these are the final coins. 2013 and 2014 coins can’t be produced in 2015. When they are gone they are gone.

  44. MN says

    SilverHawk357 says

    January 2, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    If you used a credit card for your US Mint purchase, the credit card company may be able to do a “charge back” to the US Mint (Discover Card offers this service free and will refund you right away while they investigate).

    I’m still dealing with the US Mint on an early October order! I waited 4 weeks for a US Mint Visa bank debit card credit (new shipping service sent the order to a PO Box via UPS – UPS sent it back – US Mint signed for it 10/10/14); I then mailed in a non-receipt claim to Dallas, which stated to allow 4-6 weeks processing. After another 5 week wait, I received a Visa bank card credit but it was $49.75 too little so I mailed another letter to CS in Dallas. The money difference is because the cost of five (5) K14 items on the order was subtracted from the one (1) K15 return. Two separate charges were placed on the Visa debit card for the order and why the K14 total was subtracted from the Gold coin total makes no sense. Online CS was of no help in the early 4 weeks and I never heard anything from Dallas until a credit posted 5 weeks later. Until a couple of weeks ago, I was out $1,207.50 and was wondering if I’d ever get my money back without legal help! I haven’t checked on the last credit due me but I hope to get it within 4 weeks! Everyone should use Discover Card for US Mint purchases!

  45. Samuel says

    Brad, my view is, it maybe the first one sold out, but very difficult to tell whether it is the lowest. the other 14 coins are also at very low level at this moment, and lower than this one.

  46. Brad says


    Yeah, it may not be the lowest mintage proof of the 2014’s, but it’s the most popular one. And, it will be the lowest mintage First Spouse proof by quite a large margin until the rest of the 2014’s sell out. So, it can probably be sold for a nice markup shortly after it’s gone. Always strike while the iron is hot. You might be able to make more by waiting, but usually not. However, it does appear that I sold most of my 2014 Coin & Currency sets too soon for too little. I honestly thought the price on those would soften sooner rather than later, but not yet. I do have 14 sets left. And by the way, it was YOU I ultimately owe that little windfall to. Good eye on the “enhanced” uncirculated language. I wouldn’t have given the product a second glance if not for you!

  47. Ralph says

    Samuel @ want to says thanks too! I logged on that day just as all heck was breaking loose. Would never bought them if not for your post.

  48. CasualCollector says

    Good point about FS Coins — I’ve never purchased a FS coin, so I don’t really follow their rules for mintage. I am thinking more in “general” terms for other coins that might show “X” amount left in stock. To me, those could be reloaded so to speak (up to allowable rules and limits).

    I wonder if that “stock counter” kept showing each time the Sac C&C Sets went OOS / Back in / OOS / Back in / etc…

  49. Samuel says

    and, for other 2014 coins ,last week changes are all negative, but only this one has a big positive number, so I suspect, next week there will be a big negative change.

  50. Ralph says

    Think any C&C set’s are being sold with a regular 2014 D NA in them? I see a lot of buyers with little feedback buying them. Hope nobody get’s taken. Haven’t tried, does the coin come out of the cardboard holder easily?

  51. Samuel says

    Brad, Ralph,
    we learn from each other and help each other. That’s why I like this place.

  52. mattarch says

    Yes the coin comes out of the plastic airtight without disturbing the cardboard holder. Already have mine out with the OGP stored in the coin closet.

  53. thePhelps says

    @Hidalgo…”The theory that makes the most sense to me about the Saudis’ increased production of oil (and thus, the fall in oil prices): the Saudis want to weaken Russia, Iran, and Syria.”

    They haven’t increased production – but last month there was no attempt to slow production. Oil is abundant right now thanks to the US shale production. OPEC typically meets and agrees to lower production when there is an abundance of oil and then raise production (and prices) when oil is scarce.

    Someone else also asked how lower oil prices impact our economy negatively. Look at the jobs being created right now in the Dakotas and elsewhere because of the oil boom. Then look at the transportation industry which is carrying this oil all over the US. Throw in several different refineries and those jobs… and consider the effects if they slow down or a flat out halt to development and production… and you’ll see a massive ripple…

  54. Ralph says

    Did I check the proof twice thinking one was the UNC? Oooops! Thought it was weird they were the same.
    Thanks again Samuel! Must need another cup of coffee!

  55. Jerry Diekmann says

    Ralph – Unbelievable that people are willing to pay so much for the 2014 4-medal set. Glad I bought my one when they came out, a little earlier than usual this year. I have bought just one set of FS medals every year since 2007, the first year. For the first time ever, this year I bought a couple of the FDR/Eleanor Roosevelt President and First Spouse sets. Will probably do the same with the JFK/Jackie set in 2015 – those will be the only ones I will ever buy, because those first ladies were really special. Other first spouses may have been decent women who accomplished some good, but they weren’t special, IMO. Don’t remember if they offered those sets from the beginning or not, but I just couldn’t relate to any of the other first spouses.

  56. Ralph says

    Brad, there were 83 before you bought 5, now down to 57. I was kidding when I said we might sell her out, but it looks like it’s going to happen!

  57. Brad says

    Eleanor proof down to 56! I trust it’s a lot of you guys on here buying them? Why else would they be going down so fast? Ralph, at this rate they just might be gone by Monday!

  58. Samuel says

    Ralph, talking about AGE Unc, it is very interesting that, several years ago, it was Brad that provided the info that 2011 AGE Unc was sold out at the mint, so I immediately logged in to a dealer’s website and got one. since then I have been buying Unc, and got 2 2012 ones, 1 in OGP, 1 MS70. I probably will stop buying them because gold is cheap now, very difficult to get new mintage low.

  59. Brad says

    50 now. There must be a lot of guys who read this blog who don’t post comments. Did I say Monday? Heck, at this rate they’ll be gone by 9 pm CT (my time zone)!

  60. Brad says


    That’s right! I had forgotten about that. I remember you expressed your gratitude for my tip. And tonight I expressed my gratitude to you for pointing out the 2014 C & C set was special. I guess we’re even now! 🙂

  61. Ralph says

    That is interesting Samuel. I am so glad to a new member here. I have been logging on for a while, haven’t commented much. Until now!

  62. Hidalgo says

    @Ralph and @Brad – I sure hope you know what you’re doing. I’m sure you’re going to flip the coins. If you sell the coins on eBay, remember that there’s a 10% eBay fee and 3% PayPal fee.

    Good luck to both of you.

  63. Brad says

    41 now. The Mint is probably wondering what’s going on. I sure hope they don’t take the items remaining in the shopping cart feature off the website. Knowing what’s happening with the numbers is a wonderful thing!

  64. says

    You’re the biggest cheerleader for the Eleanor FS countdown and I’m getting a kick out of your updates. I can’t wait for your reaction as we approach the final quantities: 10,9, 8, 7, 6, 5,…………………. I’m waiting with baited breath. The guppies are dripping out of my mouth.

  65. Brad says


    Thanks. It will be alright. These will do fine after the surprise sellout. Surprise to everyone but those who read MNB, that is. 🙂

  66. Brad says

    Yes, I only bought the five I mentioned earlier. I don’t figure I’ll double-dip, not at $770 a pop!

  67. Brad says

    I hadn’t thought about it until now, but this is going to be the first REAL First Spouse sellout since 2011! Everyone will be taken by surprise on that.

  68. Brad says


    Let’s hope that this one doesn’t do like things sometimes do at APMEX, and when the quantity reaches zero the number magically replenishes itself! I think a lot of guys will be hating us if that happens!

  69. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Today I called the Mint — yawdee, yawdee, yaw. My last order of C &C (Sac) set (still processing); they advised that even though they Sold OUT, I will still get them (time unknown) I ordered 20 on Dec 05!

    They did acknowledge what sounds like a big problem with this new contract shipper (Yaw THINK!). Sounds like the shipper has the item(s) somewhere and can’t find them. This order is going to be either really crappy, or really nice, I doubt it will fall in the middle.

    Secondly, I did receive my C & Chron set on 12/29 and they look good — I am hearing some of you had probs? What kind?

  70. Ralph says

    Can’t see that happening Brad. But, it is the US Mint we are working with.
    I’ll take the blame. It was my trick!

  71. Brad says


    The distribution center might have at least one extra set lying around somewhere, since one of my boxes of 27 only had 26 in it! I called the Mint about that, and I have to fax them some kind of form about an item not received. They’ll review it and take action. I have my doubts that I’ll ever be seeing that $13.95 refund from them. But, since I’ve made nearly $1,000 on the sets I’ve sold so far, I guess I can absorb it!

  72. Samuel says

    I just ordered one. this is my first FS coin. I don’t like the coin, but like the mintage. I am just thinking, if other 2014 coins sell into 2016, and this coin is not there, then ……..

  73. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @Ralph says – January 2, 2015 at 9:20 pm
    “Hold on guys, I’m going to apply for some new credit cards, be right back! lol”

    I did that earlier today —

  74. The Real "Cool" Dave says


    Yeah, I’m not holding my breath — they will probably send me the one you are missing and say sorry to the remaining 19 out of 20 that I ordered. LOL!

  75. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    I wonder if there might be some theft going on at the distribution center — did they hire a bunch of newbies?

  76. Brad says

    We’re still stuck at 36. Come on guys, don’t any of you have $28,440 lying around? 🙂

  77. SilverHawk357 says

    @MN Regarding Mint’s failures to ship product – – –

    That’s the thing, I’m out only $40.00 but if I order 5 gold coins and don’t receive them…. their word against mine and they say who wins. What if they do this to me on a Bulk Purchaser order?
    I used to use Discover card for Mint purchases but Discover cards are more easily hacked than Visa or M/card, my info has been stolen twice with Discover, never with Visa.
    Mint needs to act responsibly, otherwise the risk is too great.

    Enjoy your FS coins, everyone. They are only listing what is currently on hand. I’ve been down that route before.

  78. HIdalgo says

    @Ralph…. I am sure that MCM reps check this blog. Their inventory must be sufficient enough to hold off on buying additional coins. Also, MCM seems to prefer selling certified coins. I am unsure if the Roosevelt coins are still eligible for First Strike designation.

  79. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    I again wonder if there might be some theft going on at the distribution center — did they hire a bunch of newbies?

  80. John c says

    Well boys I just bought 3 and knocked down the inventory down to 33. Will be curious as to how this plays out.

  81. Ralph says

    This will be one of my best coin experiences evah! ( New England slang)
    Thanks to all on here!

  82. Brad says

    Yeah, it shocked me how fast they’ve gone down.

    Silverhawk, I doubt any more of these will become available. It is possible that the Mint may have struck more in the final days of 2014 that are still at West Point, but I’m thinking that is highly unlikely. Whatever is on hand at the distribution center is probably all there is. This one should be going to “out of stock” shortly, and that’s where it will very likely stay.

    I have been wrong before, though. 🙂

  83. says

    Folks, we’re truly down to final quantities on the Eleanor Rossevelt FS Gold coins. I don’t anticipate these lasting past midnight. Operators are standing by to take your orders. Don’t wait or you’ll be disappointed. And don’t forget that flex pay is not offered for this item.

  84. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    It’s don’t wait and have “future regret,” instead buy now and have buyers remorse!

  85. Brad says

    Think how much fun it will be once the 2014 uncirculateds get below 99 available. Now I have to be sure to check each day every little while to be sure I don’t miss out!

  86. Ends in Error says

    I put 99 Edith Roosevelt Proofs in my bag. It then read 63 in stock. So are there 63 available or would 63 be left after I ordered my 99 ?

  87. Ends in Error says

    Wouldnt dream of ordering a proof. I dont like shiney gold. A more satin gold is more to my liking. Hence I like the BU finish.

  88. Brad says

    Ends In Error,

    The Edith Roosevelt proof was at 63 a few hours ago when the trick first became known. I mentioned that one earlier too. From that, it appears the mintage of the 2013 proofs may have been around 2,850.

    It means that there are only 63 available. You would have to change the quantity in your cart to 63 or less to purchase. However, an order for 63 still wouldn’t go through, since it seems the Mint has a $50,000 limit for a regular online order with a credit card.

  89. Brad says

    My bad, I didn’t do the math before I posted. 63 would come in just under the $50,000 limit. So, I guess you could order all 63 at once. Why don’t you go ahead and do it? 🙂

  90. Erik H says

    MN, I saw your comment about credits from the mint and I’m dealing with the same thing. The mint charged me for “Free Shipping” on Black Friday. I’ve been told every week since then to wait 3 to 5 days for my credit. I also have a return that was received by the mint almost 2 weeks ago, no refunded yet. Because of Christmas and New Year’s, I’ll give them a few extra days to refund my money but after that I’m going to contact my C.C. company.

  91. Ralph says

    At the bottom of every page on the Mint site, there an ad for the First Spouse Coins. It says “Limited Supplies are Available” & “Shop our remaining 2014 First Spouse Coins”. I don’t think there will be any more minted than what we are seeing.

  92. Joe says

    The mint didn’t cancel my subscription as requested last November so I have a proof 2015 SAE on the way. I received an e-mail about it today. The mint apologized and said not to take delivery if I didn’t want the coin. I have some time to decide yet.

  93. says

    “Cool” Dave,
    I guess you’re not succumbing to peer pressure, as you are still holding off on purchasing an Eleanor. But, will you continue to pass on this offering as the final, urgent countdown draws near? And don’t forget, if there is any remaining quantity after midnight, there’s no guarantee that we can hold this low price.

  94. Ends in Error says

    28 Proof Eleanor Roosevelts left? I want a few BU’s – too bad no sellouts are close for the BU’s.

  95. Ends in Error says

    Looks like the 2012 Caroline Harrison Proof is the low mintage ( Proof ) at 3,046. Can it be beat, but for how long?

  96. Ends in Error says

    17 left. I just broke down and got one. Althought I stated I prefer BU Coins. Oh well I’m a Mint junkie.

  97. Ends in Error says

    2271 was the last reported sales figure for this Coin. I think we have a new low mintage proof FS winnah. But for how long? Congrats to those that are taking a chance to be in on this.

  98. VaBeachEd says

    The mint had 28 left when I bought 2 PCGS First Strike Flag Label PR70DCAM for less than $200 above the Mint price. I tried to buy one by placing an offer and had two, so the guy was really nice and gave me a price break on both of them. Now I am glad I made the mistake.

  99. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @Hawkster says, January 2, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    “Cool” Dave,
    I guess you’re not succumbing to peer pressure . . . ”

    Naw — I’m too buried in C&C (Sac) sets, Roosevelt Chronicle sets, some nice Morgs won at auction; I was on the wagon for awhile and fell off, once I started hanging around here again. I better save my lunch money — LOL!

    Uooh! I came so close though — had it in my cart — sweating and all (like disarming the PM bomb) — COL!

    AND like most of you, I could set up shop, I’ve decided I need to start thinning out a little bit –yeah that damn Mint packaging gets in the way a lot doesn’t it, where to put it all? LOL!

  100. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Well boys & girls — that puts another day into the books. Time to sign off now with the National Anthem and then either a long (TV) “beeeeeeeeeeeeee” sound or white noise . . . then disembodied voices talking about PM’s in that noise.

    Good Night all !

    Mr. “Cool” Dave 😉

  101. Ralph says

    Good morning all! Seems I missed all the excitement after going to bed.
    Brad, I told you it would sell out last night! That was one of the best times I’ve had. I wonder if it was us MNB’s who bought them up? Just wish I saw it go all the way down to “out of stock”.
    Good luck to all who bought. Now, do we flip? Or, do we hold?

  102. Erik H says

    I just noticed that APMEX has a deal on eBay for rolls of 2015 1 oz Silver American Eagle BU (Lot, Roll, Tube of 20) *PRESALE 1/23* the price is $379.99 w/ free shipping. If you buy from their web site it will cost you over $405 if you use a Credit Card.

    This looks like the best deal for presales I’ve seen over the past two weeks.

    I’ve notice that sometimes APMEX has better deals on the bay than their own site, I wonder if it’s a “Loss Leader” trying to get more people to APMEX.com??? eBay must gave them a great deal on fees that most others sellers don’t get.

  103. Ralph says

    Back to the C&C set’s. I see Liberty coin has them listed at $64.95. They seem to be ahead of the curve on these set’s. Maybe I’ll follow their lead!

  104. Brad says


    Yeah, it was fun watching that. However, two of the Eleanor coins have been returned to stock. Maybe some cold feet cancellations?

    So, at the time of this writing, there are two coins available once again. Anyone here want them?

  105. Ralph says

    That just happened. When I checked an hour ago, it was out of stock.
    Come on Cool Dave, belly up!

  106. Ralph says

    Same for the 1oz AGE unc, went from out of stock to one available. Same cold feet maybe? Over credit limit maybe?

  107. Ralph says

    Ok, what gives here?
    There is a NGC MS 70 C&C Sac up to $1650 now. Why don’t they just buy the PCGS ones for $1100?

  108. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    Don’t forget to call the Philly, Denver, & HQ kiosk first thing Monday morning and buy them out too!

  109. Ralph says

    Keep Calm & Stack On @ Did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? We’re all having fun with the hobby we love. No need to be mean!

  110. says

    “Cool” Dave,
    O.K., now many of us look forward to seeing your daily sign outs in the wee hours of the a.m. Some of us even remember when TV stations when off the air nightly, displaying a sort of test pattern after playing a resounding rendition of the National Anthem. I’m glad that you now provide a public service by stepping in and renewing this tradition.

  111. Hidalgo says

    @Keep Calm & Stack On – I believe Ralph is referring to your post about calling the different U.S. Mint branch offices to check on their available supplies.

  112. cagcrisp says

    If Anyone ever wants to contact me directly about Investment Ideas………….

    Just send me an email to cagcrisp @ the “hollering place”

  113. Hidalgo says

    To all who purchased multiples of the First Spouse gold proof Roosevelt coin — I wish you plenty of success in flipping your coins. I hope you will achieve the profit margin that you seek! That would be an awesome way to start the new year. 🙂

  114. Ralph says

    Thank you Hidalgo from myself anyway. Same to you if you purchased.
    I might keep the 3 coins sealed in the Mint shipping box. Good idea you think?

  115. says

    Keep Calm,
    Yeah, I too was a little surprised that Ralph found your comment grumpy. Weren’t you just trying to point out, in a humorous way, that Eleanor may still be residing in the Mint gift stores?

  116. CasualCollector says

    Regarding the eBay seller of the PR70 Eleanor Roosevelt coins. Why does he list it under “Bullion”? The only reason I ask is that I noticed there would be no eBay Bucks awarded by purchasing it, and I am pretty sure it’s because “Bullion” does not qualify for eBay Bucks. Hey, 2 percent is 2 percent.and on a purchase at his Buy-it-Now that would be almost $22 in eBay Bucks.

  117. Hidalgo says

    @Ralph – I did not purchase any of the Roosevelt gold proof coins. I have already been burned by buying some First Spouse coins between 2010 – 2012. The coins have dropped in value because of the fall in bullion prices. (I generally hold on to my coins. It is rare that I buy to flip).

    I am uncertain if keeping your 3 coins in the original U.S. Mint sealed box will improve its value. The deadline to get a First Strike (FS)/Early Releases (ER) label has passed. Retailers want like to FS/ER designation because it increases the secondary market value of the graded coin.

    On the other hand, some retailers prefer sealed boxes since they know that some sellers “cherry pick” coins and sell those that are less desirable on the secondary market.

    It’s a toss up. Much depends on when you sell and what buyers prefer at the time you are selling.

  118. Hidalgo says

    @Ralph – I have heard from bloggers on this site that APMEX cherry picks its coins. I have also read comments from posters on this blog who say that inspect their coins, send coins they believe will receive a high rating to a third party grader, and sell the rest on eBay (or another secondary market site). So from this perspective, a sealed box might be more valuable to a buyer than an opened box. It all depends on when you sell and what the buyer wants.

    By the way, it’s not hard for folks to get involved in a frenzy. I’ve seen it several times on this blog. I’ve seen it in the stock market. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I do hope that everyone who bought the gold proof coins comes out ahead.

    For me, I prefer stocks because I’m a long time investor. Last year, my stock portfolio went up by 24%. That’s much better than my coin portfolio — I had some big winners. But I also had some big losers. Such is life….!

  119. CasualCollector says

    Regarding the topic of “sealed” boxes. Do you mean keeping the actual shipping box sealed (or do these FS Coins have individual seals on the OGP)?

    Everything I have seen from the Mint is once you open the shipping box, the actual OGP is “searchable” (which drives me crazy). I have sealed boxes from the Mint, and I have a heart attack every time someone tells of missing product from inside the shipping box (I want to keep them “sealed” but I have no idea if the right product/quantity is in the shipping box)

  120. SilverHawk357 says

    I was holding 99 unc Eleanors in my basket. Went back to the website and they indicated they were sold out. Released them from my basket and now I’m allowed to order them. I don’t see the countdown as anything accurate…… If you order now you can get someone else’s basket release or returned item.
    Like I said, I’ve been there before. Why do you want a high production Spouse???

  121. SilverHawk357 says

    I took the coins out and put them back in my cart, 2 then 10, then 10 more. Now I put all 99 back in the cart. I have $76,230.00 of Eleanores in my cart. Anyone want them? I can release them again 😉

  122. says

    Seems like I missed the excitement last night.

    I am unsurprised the comments by Ralph and Brad had something to do with the Spouse sellout. We all know how highly trafficked this blog is. It’s basically one of the best places, if not the best place, to get news and tips about US Mint pieces on the web and I am sure dealers read it. I think posts and comments on this blog have set off other rushes before – the Medal of Honor coins in 2011 come to mind.

  123. Samuel says

    from my past experience, even though u put it in ur cart, someone else can still buy it until you submit the order.

  124. Ralph says


    I added 99 twice and not sold out.
    Did you look at the Proof coin like I did yesterday by mistake? lol

  125. MN says

    @CasualCollector says

    January 3, 2015 at 10:38 am

    Maybe someone here or a seller on eBay would be nice enough to let you know what their box weight is (same size box/adhesive type and containing the same products inside as you ordered).

  126. Samuel says

    this coin, u have to sell it fast to make a profit. this is my first and only FS coin, so i will keep it. u never know what come out from the other 2014 FS coins.

  127. Keep Calm & Stack On says

    Hawkster – you know, you can’t leave no stone unturned out here in the coin world… though we may have Days of Lives MNB unfolding out here now.. 🙂

  128. GoldFishin says

    @CC- yes, sealed in the shipping box is what they are referring to. Keeping them sealed in the shipping box didn’t use to be a problem until the change over to the new fulfillment center. MN has good advice…. also first check your sealed package against the shipping weight provided by the tracking info. Also, if you have doubts about your package and it is possible, ask someone here or in another forum what their package weight is for same quantity ordered. You can even compare opened boxes with the packing material and the OGP product weight and add the two together for the total weight the package should be. As long as you don’t order 99 at a time it should be easy to find out what the package weight should be.
    I ordered two JFK silver sets back in November eligible for FS and kept them sealed. I found a previously opened box w/packing and an OGP set I already had opened and did a little math adding the weights together to make sure the weight was correct. ( after hearing that Keithster and others were missing items purchased). It seems that lately you can’t be too careful.

  129. Hidalgo says

    @Goldfishin – your methodology makes sense. So thanks for presenting it. However, I would like to say that awhile back, I called the US Mint about shipping errors. The Customer Service Representatives acknowledged that sometimes customers received the wrong product (e.g., a silver BHOF coin vs. an ordered gold BHOF coin) or that a set was shipped with a missing coin.

    In all of the years I have purchased US Mint products, I have never received a product I did not order or a set with a missing coin. However, to make absolutely sure that you receive the coin you ordered, it is best to open the box and check what is inside of it.

  130. CasualCollector says

    @Goldfishin and MN and Hidalgo
    Thanks for the “weight” check suggestion. I actually just bought a scale last month and have been weighing my packages (at least that might highlight a completely empty box as someone here got — I think it was Kiethster).

    But as Hidalgo says, cannot really be sure what is inside the shipping box unless you open the box. I Just wish the Mint would take the last step and put individual seals on OGP boxes. This would let me open the shipping box and still sell some sealed OGP boxes as “unsearched” (it would also let me buy on the secondary market with less fear of the item being searched). It would be a win/win for Buyers and Sellers (maybe not so much a win for TPG’s).

    Here’s an idea (if the Mint is watching), Depending on the item, I would gladly pay a little extra for Mint Sealed packaging. Just offer 2 versions — Mint Sealed cellophane for retail (or something bullet proof against cherry picking), and Non Mint Sealed Packaging for a few dollars less.

  131. Ralph says

    Just got email from the Mint my 2015 ASE Proof’s have shipped!
    On a Saturday!
    Very nice!!

  132. says

    By keeping a shipping box sealed, not only is there the chance of missing or wrong items, there is also the chance of your items having damage. It’s pretty risky leaving the box sealed, especially with more valuable coins, such as the FS gold coins.

  133. Hidalgo says

    @CourtneyB – when you see a high prices for a MS/PF/SP 70 coin, you can bet that very few of the particular coin have been assigned this rating.

    From what I can see, PCGS has not certified ANY 2014 D Enhanced Uncirculated Native American dollars at the MS/SP70 grades. I have not seen any grading data from NGC on this particular coin. But I can almost assure you that the coin, at the SP70 level, is rare.

    This is another example of supply vs. demand. When supplies are low and demand is high, prices will tend to rise. If interest in graded SP70 coins falls with time, you can bet that prices will fall as well.

  134. says

    In the case of the enhanced Sac NGC 70 that is now over $1,600 on ebay: It it could very well be a case of shill bidding, in which the seller is using his family and friends to drive up the price.

  135. GoldFishin says

    @CourtneyB- Welcome….something similar happened with the JFK Silver Enhanced coins that were graded 70 DMPL by PCGS. Bottom line is….with a very low population, it only takes a handful of bidders that Really Really want the coin to bid up prices to unbelievable levels.


    @Hidalgo- Agreed, with the current state of US Mint fulfillment problems, it is better to open the package and make sure. I felt pretty confident with my package because of the size of the JFK OGP packaging taking up the entire volume of the package and weight was correct. Otherwise, I am very much in agreement and probably will not be keeping packages sealed for the foreseeable future.

  136. CasualCollector says

    In my opinion, I think the SP70 Sac will end over $2k (just my guess). Let’s have a friendly over/under guess on what it sells for…

    My guess is $2,200 (it is not mine and I am not bidding on it)

  137. Bernie in FL says

    I used to buy on the Secondary Market for coins that were not Slabbed. But it seems that 7 out of 10 times you can tell they have been “Cherry Picked”. If I cannot get the coin from the Mint, basically the First 10 Days, I buy the Coin Slabbed. After 10 days larger companies and individuals have already “Cherry Picked” the Coins from the Mint, Shipped them back, and now I get the Returned Coins that no one wanted sent to me as “New from the Mint”.

    So for that reason, I buy the Coins when I can, directly from the Mint VERY Early in their Release. Otherwise, I buy the Coins Slabbed as I know the Coins Grade and Validity.

    On the idea of leaving the Coins Sealed or Open the Box. All things being equal, I would rather buy an unopened Coin in its original sealed box from the Mint. Than an Opened one, but one runs the risk of receiving damaged or even the wrong item. I would say its a judgement call…..

  138. Dave SW FL says

    My order with proof E. Roosevelt FS coins is posted with status of “on hold”

    Anybody have a clue what that means?

    Proofs are out of stock but Unc still available

  139. says

    I have never sold an item on ebay. It would seem, however, that offering coins for sale on ebay in sealed shipping boxes can have a serious downside. What about the possibility of an unscrupulous buyer swapping out superior coins in that sealed box for less than perfect coins? He could then inflict some type of damage to the coin or coin packaging and then a demand a refund/return for a flawed item.

  140. KEITHSTER says

    I have to say the Mint did make good on the empty box by refunding the money to the account! But it did take a month & a few days and cost me the postage to mail the empty box back to them but it was worth it to me not so much them? With the bad press bet they enjoyed the empty box even less than I did But thanks for making it right but don’t do it again please:( Here’s to a Good New Year All:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>

  141. GoldFishin says

    @Hawkster- I have bought and sold on ebay off and on for over 15 years and have never had a problem that wasn’t able to be resolved. I have only had to use Ebay resolution procedures twice in all that time. I think as long as you deal exclusively with U.S. customers and raise your buyer rating parameters as high as possible, it will reduce the potential for what you are describing to happen. Anything is possible, but most Ebayers won’t risk having their rating harmed by doing such a thing.

    @Keithster- Happy New Year!! Glad they refunded your “enhanced shipping box”! 😉

  142. Tinto says

    @Bernie in FL

    Couldn’t agree more on the Mint’s re-sale of the returned items … having never sent stuff back I don’t know if the Mint has sort of like a required checklist form to include with items being returned ….

    Does the Mint give statistics on which type of customers return the most ? I’m sure they could … but maybe they don’t want to antagonize their largest customers …

    @Casual Collector

    The OGP seal sounds good … if the customer opens it and returns it though there isn’t any visible imperfections maybe that customer should be charged a restocking fee … at least so that the Mint can recoup the costs involved in accepting the item back, inspecting the items, making accounting adjustments, physically relocating the item back into the stock pile, updating inventory … etc. etc. before they can even re-apply an OGP seal which is also at a cost to the Mint.

    Maybe the Mint is factoring all these current costs (not for OGP seal of course) when setting their prices and premiums, so rather than giving speeding tickets to the habitual returners, they have instead spread that potential cost so everyone pays (more) and the result IMO is that prices are probably higher than they should be on account of these “habitual returners” and to me that is just not fair ..JMO maybe the Mint is starting the ball rolling by stopping the automatic free shipping replacement of returned items … hope they do more than that in 2015…

  143. SilverHawk357 says

    Still have 99 UNC Eleanores in my cart, can take it into the checkout without any notice about “sold out”.

    When the Mint shorted my order, the total order was in two boxes with the weight indicated on the bottom of the box. One box contained 5 sets of Kennedy Silvers (all there). The second box should have had 3 UNC Kennedy sets and the World Trade Center medal. Only had the 3 Kennedy sets, I was shorted the medal. The bottom of the box indicated a weight slightly above what all the items would have weighed with packing. I checked the weight with another medal on my postal scale. The box was MUCH lighter than the weight indicated on the box.

  144. Leo S. says

    Eleanor Roosevelt is marked “Out of Stock” only if you click on the Proof Eleanor. On the main page of all the FS coins, it looks like you can order it. Maybe the Unc. on is not far behind.

  145. thePhelps says

    Looking at the $1600 Sac selling on eBay… I mentioned it the other day. 4 things make it a pricier coin than normal offerings. 1st. getting a 70 coin from Denver is really a rarity. 2nd. it is the 1st of a kind – being EU. 3rd. the population of coins is small comparatively speaking. 4th. The sale window was tiny.

    To see how the 1st impacts the price – all you have to do is look back to last years Generals half dollar commemorative. 1 of the 1st MS70 coins sold early on eBay for over $2000. It isn’t unusual to see a MS69 sell for $20 and a posting closed as sold in November for a MS70 for $500. The generals half had a total sales population of only about 38,000 pieces and was available for most of the year.

    So while the early prices probably won’t hold up – the 70 coin will probably continue to sell for an inflated price for quite sometime.

  146. CourtneyB says

    @thePhelps, thank you for that break down, makes a lot of sense.

    Its fascinating to see how a market evolves thorough the price discovery phase on these new issues. I really love that coin but its too rich for me!

  147. Teach says

    Leaving your mint products in OGP sealed shipping boxes seems more like a gamble than a judgment call. Maybe it’s just me, but I like to know that my order is correct, in good mint condition and doesn’t require a return.

  148. jeff says

    Return your Eleanor Roosevelt FS you are being hosed by certain posters to benifit their agenda. Just look at the history of these coins the mint is not going to just stop. These go back several years and the mint is still selling . It’s sad to hear this type of activity happening on this board. Hype that’s what you bought I’ll keep watching HOSED.

  149. John c says

    Jeff, I don’t believe anyone is trying to deceive anybody on this board. Just because the mint is still selling the 2013 spouses means ABSOULETY nothing. If you follow the mints practices they are unpredicable, but they still have certain rules to follow. They can not strike any more 2014 spouse coins in 2015 it is against the current law. So the only way these coins will become available again will either be from credit cards that are not accepted, returns or if they have these in inventory somewhere. So if their current inventory is indeed greater than what this board was lead to believe it is not anybody on this board promoting a false agenda but sincerely giving good advice,

  150. John c says

    Jeff, I don’t disagree with you on that possibility, but I disagree with your assumption that people are trying to HOSE other people into making a purchase. I read the comments carefully and made an educated decision to buy 3 of them, nobody is hosing me. In the end I made the puchase and I am responsible for it. I think everyone knows that it is quite possible that the mint may replenish it’s inventory with some crate containing another 500 of these and if that’s the case than you were the wise conservative person and the rest of us will not to take much stake into the mint’s inventory process from now on.

  151. GoldFishin says

    @KCSO- I hope for all that are involved sake, it is “Nine Days of Our Lives” on MNB. 😉

  152. jeff says

    Well my experience with the mint is expect the unexpected. However watching last night’s count down kind of surprised me. Like little children counting down numbers, one poster said it was the best night he has experienced on this board really pumping a FS coin. I hope everyone that bought enjoys there FS coin because there will be no real appreciation for 10-15 years, that’s unless gold rises again to 1900 and I don’t expect that for many years possibly another losing year for precious metals except silver jmo.

  153. thePhelps says

    jeff… anyone who bought the coin last night – bought it because they wanted to buy it. No one here has the ability to force anyone to purchase coins from the mint. If the FS coins gain in value or drop in value – it is up to the person who purchased the coin to decide if they want to purchase it. I don’t get where you believe “your” take on the purchases is the right vision we all should share and hold dear. I didn’t buy any of the coins – never have purchased a FS coin and don’t plan on doing so in the future – not even a Jackie Kennedy – the gold coins do not hold any sway on me… but that doesn’t mean others shouldn’t or enjoy a small thrill while doing so.

  154. Ralph says

    Going back to sealed boxes: I had (past tense) a sealed shipping box of 5 Kennedy Silver set’s. After reading the many very good comments, I thought I had better open it and check it out. Sure enough, there were 5 set’s. I think they needed some fresh air anyway.
    I have changed my stance on storing products in unopened Mint shipping boxes.
    Question: Does the sealed box need the shipping labels on it or can you peel them off. I would think the packing slip inside is what counts.

  155. GoldFishin says

    @Ralph- I would never peel off the packing slip. The shipping box and/or labels should not be tampered with. Normally(but lately not always) the label covers a taped seam which gives more proof that the package is in original untampered condition. Actually, the dates used to be on the outside of the package on the label, but you are correct that now the date of the package in on the invoice inside the package. Also I do not believe that PCGS would accept a package that had the shipping label removed intentionally for First Strike grading.
    I had an experience where I bought a sealed package on Ebay. In the photos, the package looked to be in original condition. I bid and won the item. When I received it the label was nowhere to be seen and the package looked like this one.


    Needless to say, I had to return the package. The seller told me that a previous buyer had returned the package and nothing was wrong with it. Short story….got my money back and gave the seller a lesson or two in proper listing and selling procedures. 😉

  156. Ralph says

    GoldFishin: What a riot! I have both received packages that look like that and have seen drivers handle packages the same way. One time the driver held a Dell computer box straight out from his waist and then dropped it. Yikes!

  157. Darek says

    Happy New Year to all.
    I am watching closely Roosevelt Unc. I think mintage for this one may be under 1500.

  158. John c says

    Jeff, when I sell my gold bullion as you so elequently call it in a couple of weeks I will send you the eBay link to see if you’re right.

  159. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    I don’t worry about what others are doing and buy what I like — am very aware of the market. As are many others on this site 🙂

    As far as getting “HOSED” — what? LOL! How did that come up? Oh — because we were having a little fun? Hey, if you can “handle the heat . . .”


  160. Bernie in FL says


    Not to beat a Dead Horse here. But for someone to say “there will be no real appreciation for 10-15 years” seems to go against some of the Brightest Coin Collectors and Specialists in the World. Seems Strange then that there are “TEN” First Spouses in the Top 100 Modern Coin List. Strange that the experts have it wrong and you have it right. But time will tell. Just my Opinion, as I and my Two Daughters get a Kick out of our First Spouses.

    Its not always about Valuation. But the joy of Collecting………..


  161. Ralph says

    Hose me once, shame on you!
    Hose me twice. shame on me!
    Hose me three times, let’s go get a drink!


  162. Bob R says

    Went to the bank today and told the teller I wanted a roll of the $10 First Spouse coins. She went back to the vault room to find a roll, shortly after she came back out and said they did not have them, but took my name and number to call me when they get in, she was going to have the head teller order some.

  163. Erik H says

    Bob R, that’s actually pretty funny. I love it when the younger tellers don’t even know what a half dollar is or looks like.

  164. Ends in Error says

    Both my 2015 Proof SAE’s and my 2014 Proof Eleanor Roosevelt FS Gold shipped out today.


  165. fmtransmitter says

    Dang, what did I miss? Frenzy over FS coin? Sent the FDR back, have a new one coming so I know it can’t be that beat up one I got.

  166. fmtransmitter says

    @CC: its because i created a new account for the new website and they have to manually link my old account to my new one and it hasn’t happened. Only way i know i got my product is i get a txt from my cc company whenever there is a charge to it. Love that feature.

  167. fmtransmitter says

    BTW, thanks for heads up about the red box. That could come in handy in future offerings. That new site is a work in progress and we should be thrown a bone for helping them so much. Maybe their stock will go up.

  168. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @Bob R says,January 3, 2015 at 9:55 pm
    “I’m hoping the bank calls me next week telling me they got a roll in.”

    See if you can get a roll for me too — LOL!

  169. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @fmtransmitter say,January 3, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    Hey FM — we had some fun with the FS coin, for sure!

    As far as the Roosevelt silver medal, exactly what was wrong with it? They aren’t designed to look like a proof or a regular MS coin — are they? Maybe something is wrong with the six I rec’d? However, they look nice to me.

  170. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Speaking of Mint sealed boxes, I still have 2 sealed boxes of the special Mint bags? What do you think those are worth? I will have to check secondary market.

  171. Dave SW FL says

    Ends in Error

    I ordered the same products as you, but my order is still listed as “on hold”
    Do you remember how many FS were left when your order went through?

    And can anyone enlighten me on the “on hold” status?

  172. Ends in Error says

    Dave SW

    I ordered my 10 SAE’s about 12:03 PM on whatever the first day was – Friday ?

    On the Eleanor I believe I got Coin #17. Anyway the count dropped to 16 soon after I got my order in. About 9 minutes later it was finito.

  173. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    UNITED STATES MINT REUSABLE BAG $4.99 not in original Mint packaging on Fleecebay.

  174. The Real "Cool" Dave says


  175. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Well “Hosers” — that puts another day into the books. Time to sign off now with the National Anthem and then either a long (TV) “beeeeeeeeeeeeee” sound or white noise . . . then disembodied voices talking about FS Gold in that noise.

    Good Night all !

    Mr. “Cool” Dave 😉

  176. VA Bob says

    Personally I’d be very careful buying or selling unopened Mint boxes. As an experiment, I removed the label and tape from a Mint box without a trace of tapering. In fact, the label was in one piece and I could have re-attached it without a problem, or photo copy it, alter the date on it and the invoice inside. With the money involved with some of these coins on the secondary market, I wouldn’t put it past someone to do something so unscrupulous.

    I haven’t tried the new shippers packaging, however I have pulled the flaps open, and can practically reseal it with it’s own sticky glue. A heat gun might make allow it to open with no sign of tampering, exposing the invoice to manipulation. The Mint really should use tamper-proof tape over the seams. Still not perfect, but why make it easy.

  177. Bob R says

    The mint is not concerned about secondary markets as far as unopened boxes. They probably would like every box opened and examined by the customer for the correct order product. They look at like Amizon or any internet business does. If you don’t want to check your order when it arrives the mint does not care after the 7 day return period. They have no care to pack and seal them so someone may resell them at a later date as special.

  178. thePhelps says

    The unopened box conversation is baffling to me. I purchase coins from the mint because I enjoy the coins and want them in my collection. That said…apparently… buying the coins and seeing the pictures online is what many here do? Knowing that there is little chance of getting rich buying US Mint products – that makes no sense to me. That would be like buying a 2015 Corvette and doing preservation on it to sell it 10 years from now as factory fresh – low mileage. Maybe you’ll make money maybe you won’t but you just put your money into an account you have no idea if it makes money or not, and can’t even enjoy either way and it takes up space for no purpose until you sell it. Not much satisfaction in that – that I can see…

  179. Ralph says

    Ends in Error: When I purchased my FS coins there were 75 left. My order is still processing. Do they not fill the orders first in, first out??

  180. Dave SW FL says

    Ralph & Ends in Error

    My FS proofs were at the 28 countdown and still not shipped. Baffled by the new ” service ” team. Maybe they are using LIFO on orders?

  181. says

    Does anyone have info as to when, if ever, the US Mint is going to offer the 2014 Limited edition Silver Proof set.?

  182. Ralph says

    It was reported on this blog that set will be released sometime in 2015. That was all the info so far.

  183. says

    “Cool” Dave,
    Again, I would like to express my appreciation for your nightly sign -offs, putting this Blog briefly to bed until another commenter pipes in shortly thereafter.

  184. fmtransmitter says

    @Cool Dave: I got a bad planchet that had soap scrum all over the coat stamped into it and the edge had huge gouge marks and scrapes. From what I can tell by others just got a bad one. I aS due up to have a return since I have had good luck and I am not too picky but this one was really bad, especially for the premium paid. Says limited so I see a sell out imminent on those 20k sets. I don’t remember the Mint using a full one ounce planchet for a silver medal either, could be way wrong…

  185. Hidalgo says

    @Silky – Concerning your post about the availability of the 2014 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set…. Michael wrote on this blog, dated December 31, 2014:

    Final note: Many readers have been inquiring about the 2014 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set, which is still listed on the US Mint’s 2014 release schedule as “TBD”. According to the Mint, the coins for the product have already been produced, but there have been delays with the packaging. As such, the set will be released in early 2015.

  186. VA Bob says

    thePhelps – Good point about keeping a coin in an unopened box. Personally, I’m like a kid on Christmas day when that Mint box arrives. There is a fascination however for unopened boxes (perhaps for the RE/FS label gimmick), and people should just be wary on either end of such a transaction.

    Also a good point by Bob R, the Mint doesn’t care about the coins after the 7 day waiting period, nor should they, but fraud/theft can happen between the Mint and the original buyer. I don’t believe it to be too much to ask for a tamper seal, and would actually help the Mint with a straight up return.

  187. says

    I also agree with you. What is the point of buying the coins in the first place if they will be stached away in the far recesses of a closet in their still sealed shipping boxes? Not to offend anyone, but isn’t this a type of hoarding behavior?
    I realize that coins are far from the most displayable type of collectibles, but to keep them hidden away from even yourself is a bit puzzling to me. The only exceptions I can think of where collectors should never see most of their coins are products such as Mint rolls or cello sealed offerings. In these cases, opening the product will diminish its value.

  188. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @Hawkster says, January 4, 2015 at 8:58 am
    “Cool” Dave,
    Again, I would like to express my appreciation for your nightly sign -offs, putting this Blog briefly to bed until another commenter pipes in shortly thereafter.”

    Yeah, kinda puts closure on the day, eh? Thanks, glad you like it!

  189. thePhelps says

    stephen m… a sniper is a last second bidder trying to steal the purchase at the very end and avoid a bidding war.

  190. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Uh, no offense –I am not too concerned whether people open their boxes or not — their problem. I have bought mint sealed boxes before — ended up with 2008 reverse of 2007, and other such fun. As far as my own — I almost always open the shipping box to check in; however in some cases, such as with a few sets of Lincoln Chronicles, did not get around to it (open shipping packaging) within 7 days, so what the hell, left them sealed. Any one interested?

    I generally do not open the sealed white boxes on rolls and the like, aa “Phelps” mentioned.

    HOWEVER — DO NOT, recommend doing so, with this new Mint contractor. For one, they are new and do not appear to know what they are doing. Two — unorganized and three, I suspect they might have some theft issues.


  191. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    HOWEVER — DO NOT, recommend doing so, with this new Mint contractor. For one, they are new and do not appear to know what they are doing. Two — unorganized and three, I suspect they might have some theft issues.

    As far as the Mint shipping packaging, from the shipper, that is . . .

  192. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    One of my posts said,

    “Speaking of Mint sealed boxes, I still have 2 sealed boxes of the special Mint bags? What do you think those are worth? I will have to check secondary market.”

    Didn’t open these since they were, “FREEEEEEEEbies” and shipped separately — figured they would have a higher future resale value this way — oh, by the way I know the bags are in there, I did check without opening the original ship packaging.

  193. fmtransmitter says

    Any NEW chatter about redesigning the reverse of the SE for 2016? 30th year Anniversary?

  194. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @fmtransmitter says, January 4, 2015 at 10:38 am
    “@Cool Dave: I got a bad planchet . . . ”

    Thanks for the info — I too looked to see a sale out.

  195. Ends in Error says

    My Eleanor Proof is comming Priority Signature. Paid for the bargain shipping , got a free upgrade. So far it hasn’t moved. Dont have a clue how the shipper decides the priorities in shipping the orders out. Doesn’t seem to be FIFO.

    I’m still sitting on 2 C&C Orders of 5 each from the 4th. Don’t look good on those – why don’t they just cancel.

  196. Teach says

    A different reverse for a 2016 would be something they haven’t tried yet. That would be interesting? I’m sure there will have to be some kind of special set. I think they should make a 5 oz. puck ASE that’s worth a buck instead of the standard where they are worth a quarter. Any other rumors out there for the 2016 ASE? Another question about ASEs for 2015, are there only four this year? Proof, UNC, bullion struck in WP and bullion struck in SF.

  197. fmtransmitter says

    2014-P Everglades National Park 19,373 323
    That is surprising but not really with the drop in silver…Hope it stays below 20k

  198. Teach says

    Thanks fmt, that was an interesting article, not sure how I missed all of that earlier this year. I’m kind of torn if they should change the reverse or not. Keep it the same, change it for
    just one year, or change it forever? Maybe a set with 5 different reverses? Maybe each with a different finish? Maybe change nothing and make an UHR. Lots of things could happen. I would love to see one on a 5 oz. puck.

  199. stephen m says

    @the Phelps, thanks. I suppose a seller may not like a sniper. I didn’t know I was but have been a sniper and it does seem to work out if you are a buyer sometimes.

  200. NC_Stacker says

    In regards to keeping the Mint box sealed or not. For those that do, do you criticize the label chasers or are you enabling them to chase the First Strike labels?

  201. jhawk92 says

    @ “Cool” Dave-I would be interested in one of the Lincoln Coin Chronicles Sets. I purchased one when they came out, but now that my kids are taking an interest in coin collecting, I’d like to have a second one so I can give one to each of them.

  202. GoldFishin says

    @KCSO- in case you are interested, PM has the new 2015 coins that you bought from that Canadian website for 2014. They are on the other major site but $3 more. Vague enough for you.

  203. Erik H says

    Congrats to those that took advantage of APMEX’s eBay pre-sale price for the 2015 ASE rolls. I just checked the price and it’s now $428.33 (was $379.99 for those that missed my first post).

  204. Bob R says

    I’m still holding onto my unopened mint boxes containing only the free mint bags which required signature conformation.

  205. GoldFishin says

    @BOB R- I have 4 mint sealed boxes with the free bags. I had no idea what to do with them so I just put them in the corner and will wait until the voices in my head tell me what to do with them. 😉

  206. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @NC_Stacker says,January 4, 2015 at 7:09 pm
    “In regards to keeping the Mint box sealed or not. For those that do, do you criticize the label chasers or are you enabling them to chase the First Strike labels?”

    First of all, unless you submit within 30 days, it does not matter if box is sealed or not.

    Secondly: “Coins held in NGC-approved depositories must be submitted for certification no later than five years after the Cutoff Date.”

    Thirdly, I could care less about label heads — LOL!


  207. says

    Having an unopened, Mint sealed box with the free Mint bag is not a big deal, as these infamous bags are pretty much worthless. It’s hardly worth the effort to open the box and pull out the bag, which is why there are probably many of these still boxed and thrown in the closet by disgruntled collectors. It’s a case of the good, the BAG, and the ugly.

  208. Bob R says

    I bought the BHOF Golds not for the coins but for the free bags, I KNOW what’s really going to be the big hit, 30 years from now the bags will be priceless!

  209. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @jhawk92 says, January 4, 2015 at 7:50 pm
    ” “Cool” Dave-I would be interested in one of the Lincoln Coin Chronicles Sets. I purchased one when they came out, but now that my kids are taking an interest in coin collecting, I’d like to have a second one so I can give one to each of them.”

    I have a Mint sealed (ship packaging) box of three (3 sets) and box of two (2) sets (I think) (sealed ship package) of Lincoln Chronicles; I however can’t seem to locate them on my MINT history, yet I know I have them, not at house (in divorce with Ex, had to play the shell game with some things, her lawyer could not find (LOL!). I of course prevailed on that one, they were so damn mad. I would have to locate physically. I think they might be shown on the “Ex’s” history — problem is, I can’t seem to get into that account, but neither can she 😉 nothing like hiding something in plain site.

    Note: Managed to hold onto the most important asset (my boy); duked it out in court four times – good lawyers are not cheap. She rolled through three, before it ended; brings back memories – sorry!

    Anyway, I do however, have a complete single set here in safe. It is in the white mint box, which I had carefully opened without tearing up; a little “Elmer’s” glue could fix that. They have been kept in climate controlled safe; last look revealed them to be beauties. it is one set, but not in sealed shipping box.

    Of course, if you would like those, I would give good deal. *Let me know!

    Disclaimer: Any reference to divorce and lawyers is purely fictional and for entertainment/amusement purposes only. Your experiences may be different and it is recommended that you consult with your own attorney’s or three, before attempting such feats or writing your own fiction. My lawyer’s make me say this stuff.


  210. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    “It’s a case of the good, the BAG, and the ugly.” Riiiiiiiiiight!! LOL! 🙂

  211. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @Bob R says, January 4, 2015 at 11:36 pm
    “I bought the BHOF Golds not for the coins but for the free bags, I KNOW what’s really going to be the big hit, 30 years from now the bags will be priceless!”

    You too — huh!! Especially since the bags by themselves required signature confirmation. LOL!

  212. jhawk92 says

    @ “Cool” Dave-I am not hung up on a sealed shipping box as I would be showing the sets to the kids, and I’m sure they wouldn’t appreciate a brown box as much as others here might.

  213. The Real "Cool" Dave says


    “SOLD OUT” “Not actual photo, but representative of the set you will receive.”

    ONE SET, not five for 45 bucks, 1 for $45.00.

  214. NC_Stacker says

    I took it as 5 set in 1 order

    “Each one of the (5) sets you will receive includes a Native American $1 Coin”

    And by the looks (s)he had 3 sets of 5

  215. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @jhawk92 says,January 5, 2015 at 12:27 am

    So, would you like to purchase this set?

  216. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    Well — “the Good, the Bag & the Ugly;” that puts another day into the books. Time to sign off now with the National Anthem and then either a long (TV) “beeeeeeeeeeeeee” sound or white noise . . . then disembodied voices talking about Mint bags in that noise.

    Good Night all !

    Mr. “Cool” Dave 😉

  217. CasualCollector says

    Regarding the topic of Sealed Mint Shipping Boxes and whether or not they are submitted in the first 30 days. I thought PCGS allows you to submit the unopened box even AFTER the 30-day window. As long as the shipping box is postmarked (and still sealed) prior to the cutoff date, they still accept them for “First Strike” eligibility.

    I have never submitted anything for grading (so I do not know this for fact — just comments I have read on various forums).

    I do have a box of K14 Kennedy High Relief (5 sets) still sealed that I thought I might someday send to PCGS for grading. Heck, I saw the other day on eBay a set of SP69’s FS PCGS asking a pretty high premium. I do think there’s probably very little chance of getting SP69’s from those 5 sets — but perhaps an SP68 might let me break even regarding the grading fees.

    Does anyone know for sure whether PCGS accepts sealed mint boxes AFTER the 30-day cutoff for First Strike eligibility?

    Another reason I kept the box sealed — you know once the box is open it’s so easy to cherry pick the nice sets. It’s a low-cost lower-risk to keep it sealed (imho). For higher value items, I think it’s better to check the contents…

  218. Ends in Error says

    Cherrypickers rejects resale value is harmed by the presence of sealed boxes. Think carefully before offering up sealed boxes on ebay. Do I want to hurt some cherrypivkers business model. Just a kind thought for the day. 😉

  219. Brad says

    I cancelled all of my bags before they ever shipped. That was back in the good old days when we could cancel items on the website. Just in case the orders for Baseball HOF gold coins didn’t work out, I didn’t want to end up paying $4.95 each for my “free” bags. I didn’t trust the Mint to refund the shipping costs if the coins themselves ended up being cancelled later due to lack of inventory.

  220. Hidalgo says

    I have several US Mint shopping bags that I plan to donate to Goodwill sometime this year, perhaps when I do my spring cleaning. I have not seen much interest on secondary market sales sites for these bags at this time. And even if there were, the time and cost for materials to advertise, sell, and ship a bag would not be worth it to me.

  221. Hidalgo says

    I just received my 2014 Coin and Chronicles Set – Franklin D. Roosevelt. I opened the US Mint sealed box as I do not intend to sell my set on the secondary market. Every sealed box I have received from the Memphis, TN Fulfillment Center has been sealed tight. I am uncertain how anyone could open their sealed box without a buyer knowing that the box was previously opened.

    The set is beautiful. The stamps are individually enclosed in plastic. The medals are secured — perhaps too tightly. If I try to remove the medals, I could damage the cardboard set cover. Also, I am surprised that the silver FDR medal is 1 ounce of pure silver. I thought the medal might contain the same amount of silver as a commemorative coin. It helps to read before you buy…. LOL.

    For me, the set is well worth the $57.95 I paid for it. It is a nice addition to my other Coin and Chronicles Sets (John Marshall, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, and Theodore Roosevelt). And my Coin and Currency Sets (Thomas Jefferson, Botanic Gardens, Millennium, American Buffalo, Lewis and Clark, Making American History, and American $1).

  222. says

    O.K., you’re a big fan of these various sets, but that 2012 Making American History remains as possibly the most puzzling set ever put together by the Mint. A 2012 S Silver Eagle was married up with a 2009 $5 bill. This was to celebrate the epic 220th anniversary of the Mint and the monumental 150th anniversary of the Bureau of Engraving. Anything for an excuse to make up a coin and currency set–you gotta love the Mint’s self serving fascination with anniversaries.

  223. fmtransmitter says

    Hidalgo, look at the corner of the black velvet holder, there is an opening to put a tip, say a screwdriver with tape around the end, in and it comes right out. It is MEANT to be able to be removed. Glad you got a nice one. Let us know after you look at the silver under a loupe also please…

  224. VA Bob says

    Hidalgo – Just let the box sit in the warm sun or use a heat gun, with a little patience, it’s easy to open a Mint box without signs of tampering.

  225. The Real "Cool" Dave says


    The package mailed to PCGS has a postmark date prior to the PCGS cutoff date for that particular coin/issue. Only the coins need to be mailed to PCGS and received within the first 30 days of issue.

    Submit the coins in the original unopened shipping box from the U.S. Mint with a postmark date prior to the specified PCGS cutoff date.



    Submit within 30 days, it does not matter if box is sealed or not.

    “Coins held in NGC-approved depositories must be submitted for certification no later than five years after the Cutoff Date.”

  226. The Real "Cool" Dave says

    @Hawkster says, January 5, 2015 at 1:30 pm
    “To speed things up, why not just pop that gorilla glue sealed box in the microwave? ”

    Yikes! No — just use a blow dryer or heat gun.

  227. jhawk92 says

    @”Cool” Dave-If you are wanting to just move that opened set, then yes, I am interested.

  228. Brad says

    What is the deal with the Memphis shipping center always splitting things up into multiple boxes? I ordered five of the Eleanor Roosevelt proofs Friday night in the same order, and they shipped today. Two boxes with one coin each, and one box of three. Every time I order multiples of the same product now, they always split them up into multiple packages. They also seem stuck on the number “27.”

  229. says

    Perhaps the Fulfillment Center is trying to increase the odds of you receiving at least some of the product that you ordered.

  230. Hidalgo says

    In case you’re interested…. I just checked secondary market prices for the 2013 Uncirculated Coin Set on eBay. According to Michael (as of about 2 weeks ago), the set the “lowest mintage for the product type since 1963.” Even though the set has sold out and its mintage is low, you can buy the set for around $30. Modern Coin Mart has multiples available right now for $29.95.

    So if you believe that all low mintage products will eventually go up in price, here’s your chance to own the 2013 set at a great price!

  231. Hidalgo says

    @Olde Sailor Bill – go to the first page of comments (the first 100) for this blog article. Review the comments from Ralph, Brad, Casual Collector, and myself. The countdown applies to all US Mint products (not just First Spouse coins) sold on USMint.com.

  232. Hidalgo says

    @Ralph – tilltheeyefallsout is a visitor to this blog site. Just because he lists the coins for $2,500 does not mean they will sell.

  233. says

    Did you happen to notice on the Eleanor FS PCGS label that the bogus “First Strike” designation has, by far, the largest lettering? It makes me laugh, while at the same time also makes me annoyed. Of course this is true with all their “First Strike labels. Give it up, PCGS.

  234. Ralph says

    Hawkster: You have a very good point there! I am also amazed at what people will pay for a label! Is a coin that is graded 70 First Strike better than a coin graded 70?? This whole first strike thing is a sham. I doubt it very much that the Mint keeps the coins in the order they were minted. Once they start getting shipped out, I’m sure they go out in random order. If you have a coin with a mintage of only 2500, they are all First strikes pretty much!

  235. VaBeachEd says


    I placed an offer with him (at that time) for $950.00 and he gave me a counter offer for $960.00 and I was watching on two windows and clicked the $999.00 instead of The $960.00 and did not know what happened because at check out it charged me the $999.00 price, so I contacted him and he let me have both for $960.00 each. It was my mistake, but he was nice enough to work with me. Like I said before, he is a great guy to do business with.

  236. Samuel says

    VaBeachEd, Very nice. i did not buy the 70 ones because i think the bet is a little too big, considering the low demand and other 2014 coins might have even lower mintage. time will tell.

  237. VaBeachEd says


    I know , but sometimes you will win and other times you will not. I bought 3 of the first 1oz. Proof Buffalo 2006 then bought 2 in 2007 did not buy any in 2008 (lowest mintage year until 2013), but in 2013 I thought everyone was buying the Rev Proof, so I bought 4 PCGS FS PR70DCAM, 2 Rev Proof PCGS FS 70’s and 2 PCGS FS MS70’s. It turn out to be the new low mintage on the 1 oz. Gold Proof Buffalo.

  238. 64 US Marine says

    Does anybody know what the 4 coin ASE Proof set is about that comes out in March? Thanks!

  239. VaBeachEd says

    64 US Marine says

    It is the 4 gold coin complete set $5, $10 $25, $50. Comes out each year.

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