2015 Saratoga National Historical Park Rolls and Bags

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On Monday, November 30, the U.S. Mint will release rolls and bags of the new 2015 Saratoga National Historical Park ATB quarter at noon ET.

The coins can be purchased for $18.95 in a single 40-coin roll (minted in San Francisco); for $32.95 as two 40-coin rolls (minted in Philadelphia and Denver, respectively); for $34.95 as a 100-coin bag (buyers can choose from the above mint facilities); or for $46.95 as a three 40-coin roll set, including one roll each from the San Francisco, Philadelphia, and Denver mints. Coins struck at the San Francisco mint will not be released into circulation.

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The Saratoga National Historical Park quarter is the fifth and final 2015 release in the America the Beautiful series. The reverse of the quarter features a depiction of British General John Burgoyne’s surrender to American General Horatio Gates at the Battle of Saratoga in the fall of 1777. Inscribed in the field beside the image is BRITISH SURRENDER 1777, with SARATOGA, NEW YORK, 2015, and E PLURIBUS UNUM placed along the rim.

The obverse features John Flanagan’s portrait of George Washington, with the inscriptions UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, LIBERTY, IN GOD WE TRUST, QUARTER DOLLAR, and a mint mark.

The Mint will begin accepting its authorized buyers’ orders for the Saratoga 5 oz. bullion coin the same day.

For more information on Saratoga ATB quarter products, please visit the U.S. Mint’s Web page.

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  1. TMMSR0127 says

    The Mint just announced Free S&H thru December 10. The Saratoga 5 oz will be released in time to v qualify…

  2. KCSO says

    MontanaJohn says
    NOVEMBER 27, 2015 AT 2:23 PM

    EBay 2015 roll of American Silver Eagles from AMPEX $ 339.40…friday only

    Sold 358 in the last hour

  3. Larry says

    Went to a local coin dealer to try and trade a Truman for an Ike. When I showed the guy my Truman set, he asked what it was. When I told him, he said he didn’t have time for the new things the mint is putting out and that the mint is getting too much like those other countries with the colorized coins. Seems I will have to get one from ebay, which I really don’t want to do. Sigh.

  4. jeff says

    Larry, at least there is an avenue that is current and with the times not stale. These so called dealers are not up to speed or times that many now expect. Coin dealers are no more than pawn shops anymore, they prey on the vulnerable who know no better, or smell blood in the water when someone needs cash. I will never go to a show or a dealer waste of time. Can buy from my living room and ships free, who needs bricks and motar there show rooms that’s it.

  5. jeff says

    I also bet these “dealers” have locked the silver and gold away for another day. they will not sell at these prices only at their price..

  6. KCSO says

    Larry, do you seriously want to trade your Truman for a perfect Ike set?
    If your Truman’s packaging is in great shape, and you’re serious about a straight up trade (no games), let me know (I’ll cover shipping on both ends).

  7. JBK says

    Dealers like that are a bit of a disgrace. It is fine to want to specialize on older or classic coins, but to have no knowledge of current products is absurd. He is not much of a resource for collectors, which is too bad.

  8. KCSO says

    The Presentation Case for 3″ Medal is somewhat of a new unannounced mint product, I’m wondering if it would seat a Puck as well, for Christmas present.

    Has Anyone tried?
    I might add one to my order on the 3rd to find out

  9. So Krates says

    How many customers probably asked Larry’s dealer for a C&C set this year…..I guess ZERO. If people were coming in and calling for Truman sets then the dealer would have learned what they were. Since there is no demand, is it really “absurd” and a “disgrace” that he is unaware?

  10. Buzz Killington says

    If “neighborhood coin shops” started playing the flipping game, the coin landscape would look much different than it does now.

    I expect that “jeff” is correct that most coin shop storefronts do the bulk of their business buying at pawn shop levels (under spot) and selling elsewhere. There just isn’t enough demand for new coin products to make a retail market.

    If there were that kind of demand, 17K would be a *really* low mintage, but in fact, it is probably more than enough for collectors who want these things to hold onto.

  11. says

    GoldFishin said:
    Price has been changed to $1200. If I missed something, I apologize.

    Yeah, you missed specifying what the heck you’re talking about.

    But, maybe you’re talking about PM8, the 2015 one-ounce proof platinum eagle coin. If so, then let me add some comments.

    It is no longer possible to find timely quotes for the London platinum fixings used by the US Mint to set its prices. At best, one can find quotes delayed by one day at http://www.lme.com/metals/precious-metals/platinum/. This probably won’t be an issue when PM8 is first issued at noon on Thursday, Dec 3. But it might become an issue if PM8 doesn’t sell out in the first week and it comes time for the US Mint to reprice it on Wednesday. Dec 9.

  12. says

    Steve said:
    I don’t see the …

    Me either. Thank goodness this isn’t the APMEX blog. but maybe you should be browsing/asking such questions at apmex.com ?

  13. cagcrisp says

    @GoldFishin, here are the LBMA fixes:

    …………. AM……….. PM
    11/19/2015 $859.00 $848.00
    11/20/2015 $864.00 $858.00
    11/23/2015 $847.00 $847.00
    11/24/2015 $840.00 $840.00
    11/25/2015 $840.00 $834.00
    11/26/2015 $851.00 $850.00
    11/27/2015 $848.00 $827.00

  14. Xena says

    KCSO – I’m going to try to get to the Mint store this week and pick up my S roll. If so, I’ll check out the new case (if they have it).

  15. Jerry Diekmann says

    I know everyone has been ragging on the Saratoga coin, but am I just imagining it looks like the two generals might be Lady Burgoyne and Mrs. Gates? Those pair of hands look like women’s hands to me, not the hands of military men. I know the mint engraver for this loser of a coin is a woman, so maybe that is what she thought the hands would look like. Strange coin in so many ways. Ironically, it could wind up being a more valuable coin in the future, much like the Jackie Robinson $5.00 gold coin, because it is just so ugly and so totally out of character of what the ATB quarters should be portraying. And to make matters worse, we have two more of the uglies coming next year, Cumberland Gap and Fort Moultrie. I have seen eighth graders who could have done better artistry for coin designs than what the mint “artists” have come up. One reason I am cutting back on my subscriptions next year.

  16. GoldFishin says

    Bombay Hook 5 oz -Gainesville Coins- $92.10 – Shipping $4.95 -Limited Stock Not a bad deal if you missed out on early pricing at APMEX

  17. Jbk says

    Yes it is absurd and a disgrace that a b&m store us not even aware of the mint’s offerings. That dealer should have known what the c&c sets are before anyone walks through the door to ask about them. To assume there is no demand makes no sense considering that Larry was one person who did walk through the door asking for a set. And with the kind of price increase some of the sets have had there is obviously strong demand. Personally, I want a dealer who can educate me, not one I have to educate, since this is just a hobby for me but a full time job for him. If I am so much more knowledgeable than him because I peruse MNB then that is a major indictment on his commitment to the hobby/business.

    If a dealer specializes in one thing that is a different story, but a general coin dealer should ar least have his pulse on the market and the hobby. If he doesn’t then that is an indication that he is not really interested in learning or being knowledgeable, or ready to serve his customers. How can anyone trust such a dealer when it comes time to sell things to him?

  18. Hidalgo says

    @GoldFishin – silver prices are continuing to fall, so a sales price of $92.10 may be a good deal now. Will it be a good deal in the months to come?

    Investing in precious metals is always risky in the short- and long-term. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. For years, despite the contrary views of the bloggers on this site, I have stated that gold and silver prices would decline from their 2010 – 2012 highs. And you can see where prices for both metals are today.

    As I always tell others – buy if you like something and not for potential appreciation. That way, if prices fall, at least you will have something you enjoy. And that sentimental value can be priceless!

  19. So Krates says

    Seems quite easy for this forum to slide into the old “bash the dealer routine” every so often. Like any group of business owners, there is a wide range of expertise and service offered at different coin dealers. An attempt to blanket all LCS as the same as pawn brokers is unfair and inaccurate.

    Larry said, “Went to a local coin dealer to try and trade a Truman for an Ike…he said he didn’t have time for the new things the mint is putting out and that the mint is getting too much like those other countries with the colorized coins.”

    I have heard this same sentiment dozens of times here, but when a dealer expresses it, it’s somehow blasphemous?

    As in other aspects of life, relationships are valuable. It is much easier to build a relationship with your LCS than an Apmex or a MCM. It only takes a bit of time spent talking and hanging around and maybe a few purchases to become a “regular” and secure preferred pricing at most LCSs.

    Some only consider the buyer’s POV. We forget that when it comes time to SELL, B&M stores and coin shows are often great resources. You can show your coin(s) to many trained eyes for a free opinion and/or CASH offer. Selling coins to these online dealers is hit or miss. Shipping and insuring, then crossing your fingers that some or all the coins are up to the dealers “standards”. Many will reject a high % and then try to negotiate the price down from their original bid with your coin already shipped and in their hands.

    There is a useful place for all these coin dealers (online and local)… even the lowly pawn broker.

  20. mgm says

    I just cancelled my product enrollment for the 5 oz ATB Saratoga National Historical Park coin. I can’t justify paying $79.25 over spot for this coin even with free shipping. I’ve bought all of the ATB to this point but now we’re getting gouged. What is everyone else doing?

    mgm

  21. Dustyroads says

    I like swords, that’s the reason I like the Saratogo design.
    As for the hands, It’s my impression that the they had to be manipulated some to fit into the space of the coin, especially if it’s your intention to not distract from the center of attention, the sword.
    The sword looks a little out of proportion, which probably also means the hands were altered to fit the coin.

  22. Dustyroads says

    mgm, I have already cancelled my sub for the 5 oz. due to my concern over poor quality. I have had better success by waiting a while.
    Your not alone in your decision, a lot of people are doing the same thing.
    The only problem we now have, is the low popularity of this coin. Even if it miraculously does end up below Volcanoes, it may not matter.
    I think there are enough buyers of the “P” to maintain 17 to 20 thousand.

  23. says

    mgm said
    I just cancelled my product enrollment for the 5 oz ATB Saratoga National Historical Park coin. I can’t justify paying $79.25 over spot for this coin even with free shipping. I’ve bought all of the ATB to this point but now we’re getting gouged.

    Four years ago you were apparently willing to pay $279.95 plus $4.95 shipping for a 2010 AtB. Now you’re whining about paying $149.95 with free shipping?

  24. Buzz Killington says

    Will people still be paying a numismatic premium for these 5 ouncers in thirty years? To me, these were just never worth the safe-deposit-box space, so I haven’t even paid attention to flipping opportunities.

    On the plus side for these issues, I think they would be difficult to counterfeit, and for that reason, a good way to accumulate silver if the premium was right. I don’t think many people will try to put together a full set, which is historically what drives the price of rarer issues.

  25. KCSO says

    mgm – GF shared some good thoughts on that a couple of threads back.

    I’ve been trying to gauge the true collector base for these pucks for some time now (I’d love to see the mints order records for the past year), and thus, I’m watching how this one plays out closely.

    I think enrollments may carry Sara to 14,400 on the first weekend report, maybe not. EoY pucks always struggle but this one may get very interesting. We’ll know in ten days.

    Anyhoo, I’m in for one, which is a pull back just to maintain the collection.

    Xena – Thanks! It might turn out to be a nice dual use case

  26. thePhelps says

    KCSO…because this is such a poor offering – I am actually going to buy my usual 2.. since I expect a few years from now – someone else is going to realize they want to collect these and this one is going to be scarce because it won’t sell many at the mint. (that is unless they are still on the mints site because they are holding out hope of selling 20k).

  27. KCSO says

    I hear ya! With the drop in Ag and the unappealing design, I’m anxious to see if there is a considerable drop in enrollment orders.., believe we’ll know following the first cycle.

    We have seen recently though the mint responding to market conditions WRT to BU mintage as well as P mintage, they maybe out in front on this one given the Ag planchette rationing & EOY influence.

    Just for kicks, I’ll throw out we’ll see a mintage of 16,500 at current pricing.

    If first weekend sales come in lower than 14,000, it could easily drag out for some time.

    Time Will Tell!

  28. KCSO says

    Suspect we’ll know come Monday evening whether the mint intends to mint 35k or 45k of the Sara BU

    Gainesville has Bombay as Deal of the Day, 12% inventory remaining

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