2017 ATB–Ellis Island bullion coins sell out at the Mint in three days

The Mint has announced that its supply of the America the Beautiful–Ellis Island 5-ounce silver bullion coins has been sold out. The Mint sells bullion coins, including the ATB 5-ounce coins, only to authorized purchasers (APs) and does not sell directly to the public. The bullion coins were made available on August 28, just three days before the supply sold out.

As of September 8, the bullion coins are still readily available from online retailers, including Mint News Blog sponsor APMEX.

The total authorized mintage limit for the two 5-ounce Ellis Island coins is 150,000 units. The Uncirculated numismatic strikes currently are limited to 25,000, while the bullion inventory was reported to be 40,000. Although more could be produced of either version, as long as the combined total doesn’t exceed 150,000, the Mint states that it has no plans to produce more bullion coins at this time. (Continued below.)

Meanwhile, the Uncirculated coins (product code 17AM) remain in plentiful supply on the Mint’s website. The Ellis Island three-coin set (17AG) will be available for purchase at noon on September 14.

The year’s cycle of America the Beautiful quarter products will conclude with those from George Rogers Clark National Historical Park (Indiana). Rolls and bags will launch on  November 13, 2017; the three-coin set (17AH) on November 27; and the 5-oz. silver Uncirculated coin (17AN) on December 5. Barring the introduction of an as-yet-unannounced 225th-anniversary item, the latter will be the Mint’s final numismatic product of the year.

Meet Ellis Island quarter designer Barbara Fox.

 

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Comments

  1. cagcrisp says

    @data dave, Thanks for the link. I was able to take advantage of the offering.

    It Lowered my Dollar Cost Average for 2017.

    I really didn’t need anymore, but the price was Right…

  2. KCSO says

    Shucks, I missed out on that one! Anyhoo.., thanks Double D

    “CASH IS KING right now so load up before the storm hits.”

    GAS IS KING right now along I-95 in southern Georgia and Rt 17 to Charlestown, so load up before the storm hits.

  3. Sith says

    I wonder if this will start the old mintage vs demand debate. IE Which 2017 bullion ATB will be worth more money, those with a lower mintage (Ozark, and Frederick @ 20K) or those with a higher mintage but appatrently greater demand (Ellis Island @ 40K). My money is on Ellis Island.

  4. KCSO says

    Cag – any word or insight on how the above P Puck is pucking along?

    Think show day was yesterday,

  5. KCSO says

    Sith – my $$$ was on TR.., I gave up, don’t think it really matters, my 2 cents

    Hope you’re hometown faired well, what a mess

  6. cagcrisp says

    @KCSO, My “insight” on the Ellis Island “P” puck is that it is puckering along.

    In 2017 there are 13,000+ hard core P puckers on Launch Day.

    In 2016 there were 14.000+ hard core P puckers on Launch Day.

    Launch Day for Effigy was 13,467…

    …SO…That’s your Low Water Mark…

    Anything Lower than Effigy would be a Disaster…

  7. Sith says

    @KCSO – Thank you for your concern. The family that is left on the island is without lights as of this morning, and 1/2 of them are without water, but they dodged a bullet. It is a mess, but it is superficial. IE they will be on their feet in days\weeks rather than weeks\months. Thank you again for your concern!

  8. cagcrisp says

    APMEX sent out an email and cancelled my orders for the 2017 ASE bullion.

    ” Unfortunately, there was a pricing error with item #117462 , 2017 1 oz Silver American Eagle BU (Lot of 20) – eBay, and the item was listed below market pricing. We will be cancelling the order and processing a refund to you. We sincerely apologize for the error and any inconvenience this causes.”

    Really doesn’t bother me Either way…

  9. KC&SO says

    Sith, good to hear, now may be the Navy will get the Fleet ship shape to weather the CPA storms,

    3 UNC Jackie’s left

  10. Jerry Diekmann says

    I’m so glad I never got involved with the 5-oz. silver “quarters” or the First Spouse gold coins. Saved me a ton of money and loads of frustration. I’m almost ready to go back to the pre-1982 days (or better yet, the pre-1965 days).Life was simpler then. And cheaper.

  11. Qui Transtulit Sustinet says

    @ Louis Golino says,

    Louis, I read and enjoyed your ATB story linked above, however, I see the current relative retail prices on the Douglass and Ozark coins differently.

    IMO, the retail demand for Douglass before the “sell out” was announced was low (I bought it for $99.05 with a capsule during this period) leaving large numbers of them in the strong hands of the authorized dealers, who then raised retail prices considerably once the sell out was announced by the Mint.

    On the other hand, I believe the Ozark coin was more popular and initially sold for a higher retail price (I paid $109.65 for it with a capsule) leaving less unsold inventory in the strong hands of the authorized dealers. and more in the hands of flippers willing to make less profit, which hindered the ability of authorized dealers to raise prices post sell out.

    I’m looking forward to the birds and rocks of 2018, which I believe are some of the best designs for the larger silver puck canvas so far in the ATB series.

  12. Qui Transtulit Sustinet says

    The early (pre-sell out announcement) demand for the Ozark also left more in the hands of collectors…who had no need to pay authorized dealers a higher price after the sellout.

    I feel many collectors may have been undecided about, or waiting to buy the Douglass, then were faced with the sell out, and had to pay a high premium to an authorized dealer as they raised prices, or forego the purchase altogether.

  13. Mattarch says

    Thanks to both of you for your insight on the Silver ATB Pucks. I have some and was wondering why the large price differences..

  14. Ross Johnson says

    Oh, say, can you see,
    near by Liberty’s light,
    What a one armed boy holds,
    that he’s gallently waving,

    Whose broad stripes and blank square,
    seem amiss at first sight,
    O’er the coin our eyes strain,
    but no stars are there gleaming,

    But the artists suggest,
    that less detail is best,
    Yet I wish and declare,
    that our flag was still there!

    Oh, say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave?
    O’er the coin it’s not to be,
    so this one I won’t save!

  15. KML in KY says

    Louis – Enjoyed your puck article. I received my “MintDirect” tube from APMEX and my “P” pucks from the Mint yesterday.

    I’m a hardcore pucker. I was hoping to end up with tubes of bullion coins from 2011 until the end of the series, a complete set of PCGS MS69DMPL and SP70, and 2 complete sets of “P” pucks in OGP. So far I have that plus extras. With the current state of the coin market I don’t think I’ll be able to continue buying pucks in the quantities until the end of the series.

    Off topic- It looks like things are getting bad in Florida. I hope everyone is either out of there or has a sturdy place to go away from the water. I have family hunkered down in Melbourne. My nephew fortunately just moved back to KY from Naples.

  16. Tom P. - MA says

    My Apmex bullion Island of Dreams puck arrived yesterday. No issues for me, although I don’t go over it with a magnifying glass as most on this board do. Not a slam, it’s just the way I am.

    The P puck I ordered has also been shipped.

  17. says

    SUMMARY: The United States Mint is announcing the price of the 2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary Silver Four-Medal Set. Each set will be priced at $199.95.

  18. KCSO says

    Yeah Lou, though I’ll bet ya dollars to donuts it’s –

    UNLIMITED & UNLIMITED

    That’s just the SOP going forward..,

  19. KCSO says

    Given that the FR noticed was published for the Silver Liberty set though NOT for the LESPS.., I presume one can expect the same $149 price tag for the LESPS,

    Can’t think of a reason why it would change anyway, or alter the current price gouging strategy.

  20. Louis Golino says

    unless they include both proof ASE’s.

    by the way, I believe I predicted $200 a while back for the medal set, and several people said it would be less.

  21. KCSO says

    👍

    As many Proof ASE’s there are to go around.., maybe we’ll see the ’16 ASE, AND a ’17 ‘S’ & ‘W’ ASE’s!!! Hehe

    😁

  22. John Q. Coinage says

    I called $209.95 for the set I believe, so buy up kids, the mint is giving you a deal……buy 10 sets get FREE SHIPPING! $50 a medal……$17+ spot…..! ?.does it come with a jar of mustard?

  23. cagcrisp says

    Harpers Ferry bullion puck 50,200 +200

    IF you’re an AP, you don’t have a lot of choices if you want a bullion puck…

    The mint must be having problems with Math also:

    105,000 + 75,000 + 50,200 +40,000 + 35,000 = 305,000

    (And No they didn’t forget to add today’s 200. It was 304,800 before today when it was 50,000)…

  24. gatortreke says

    Louis: been busy with family in Florida dealing with the hurricane so I’m just now reading your article about the 5 oz coins. I have to agree with Qui, his experience and mine are almost identical. I purchased a Douglass bullion puck for $99.15 on 5/1. I was away on vacation when the Ozarks became available and didn’t really pay attention to the release figuring it would be no problem obtaining one a little later. I returned to the sellout news and quickly purchased one but it cost me exactly the same as Qui, $109.65. I was grumpy I had to pay so much as compared to Douglas but I figured correctly the price would probably just increase from there.

    One interesting note, while on vacation my family and I traveled through Rochester. We were following the Erie Canal from Lake Erie to Albany. We availed ourselves the opportunity to visit Douglass’ grave in the Mount Hope Cemetery in Rochester. My wife and I thought it would be a good way to introduce our middle school age daughter to him. Also buried in the same cemetery is Susan B. Anthony so we visited her site as well. It is interesting that people leave little trinkets at her grave marker to honor her. I was mad because I had several Sacagawea dollars with me at the time but no SBA dollars to leave as a commemorative.

    I have a complete set of the bullion 5 oz’ers and was originally collecting the vapor blasted coins as well but stopped at the end of 2015 with Saratoga. I will probably dispose of these as some point or perhaps sometime in the future I’ll decide to complete the set, the future remains uncertain.

  25. cagcrisp says

    For the first time ever Total US Debt exceeded $20 trillion dollars last week.

    Total US Debt was greater than GDP which was estimated at $19.23 trillion in Q2 FY17.

    Debt is still Not a major problem considering GDP, however, in ~ 20 years it will be a problem (unless something changes)…

  26. Leo S. says

    FS Collectors

    Looks like the Jackie O Unc. has finally bit the dust. Now only 10 left. Hopefully the Mint will end the pain at the end of this year. Hope springs eternal.

  27. data dave says

    @cagcrisp – No one seems to care about debt anymore. Have to wonder when it will finally come back to bite us. We’ve had a free ride in this area for many years. Does anyone believe that the FED can completely unwind the $4T in QE?

  28. cagcrisp says

    16AN 2016 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – FT MLTR 17,502 + 29
    17AJ 2017 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – EFF MNDS 15,804 + 45
    17AK 2017 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – DOUGLASS 15,746 + 89
    17AL 2017 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – OZARK 14,732 +252

  29. cagcrisp says

    16XA 2016 WALKING LIBERTY 24K GOLD .5OZ 64,220 + 25
    16XC 2016 STANDING LIBERTY 24K GOLD .25OZ 90,061 + 37

  30. cagcrisp says

    16EA 2016 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ 572,209 +492

    16EB 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 23,729 + 2
    16EC 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ 5,743 + 6

    16EG 2016 AM EAGLE SILVER UNC 1 OZ 206,782 + 1,101

  31. cagcrisp says

    17EA 2017 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ 306,568 +2,861

    17EB 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 6,252 + 83
    17EC 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ 1,463 + 25
    17ED 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/4 OZ 2,314 + 53
    17EE 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/10 OZ 9,743 +148
    17EF 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 4-COIN SET 8,280 +63

    17EG 2017 AM EAGLE SILVER UNC 1 OZ 122,908 + 653

    17EH 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD UNC 1 OZ 3,822 + 854

    17EJ 2017 AM EAGLE PLATINUM PROOF 1 OZ 9,038 +151

    17EL 2017 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 13,068 +342

  32. cagcrisp says

    17CA 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD PROOF 1,404 +6
    17CB 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD UNC 2,006 +33
    17CC 2017 BOYS TOWN SILVER PROOF 23,169 +90
    17CD 2017 BOYS TOWN SILVER UNC 9,806 +45
    17CE 2017 BOYS TOWN CLAD PROOF 16,168 +33
    17CF 2017 BOYS TOWN CLAD UNC 14,146 +19
    17CG 2017 BOYS TOWN 3-COIN SET 5,065 +18

    17CH 2017 LIONS CLUBS SILVER PROOF 64,991 +85
    17CJ 2017 LIONS CLUBS SILVER UNC 16,417 +39

  33. cagcrisp says

    JQ1 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 2,702 + 4
    JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 1,897 –
    JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – EISENHWR 2,041 –
    JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – KENNEDY 6,769 + 3
    JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 1,830 (1)

    16SA 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – NIXON 2,581 +3
    16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – NIXON 1,669 + 3
    16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – FORD 2,393 + 3
    16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – FORD 1,656 +2
    16SE 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 3,427 +7
    16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 1,915 –

  34. Louis Golino says

    Thanks, gatortreke. Sounds like a great and educational trip. I also have a complete bullion set plus some extras and stopped the vapor ones with the last of 2016. Also not sure whether /when to sell or complete.

  35. says

    From Provident, (which addresses some past discussion points) –
    ……………..

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    This new development gives Provident the ability to offer a greater inventory selection and depth as well as maintain the service and creativity that you deserve.
    We have always been the most creative online bullion dealer in the nation and have delivered consistent and industry-leading service and pricing. That will not change. What will change is our ability to deliver a greater depth and consistency of inventory as well as incredible new products. As a matter of fact, we are already bringing new and exciting changes to the market including a redesigned Prospector as well as the 3rd release of the Egyptian Gods Series, both of which will launch in the 4th quarter. We also have other supporting products in the pipeline!
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    Provident Metals

  36. So Krates says

    If our socialist government would stop price fixing and let the market determine the cost of borrowing, the size and cost of maintaining the national debt would be front and center right quick.

  37. data dave says

    @So Krates – But they won’t. And when all the G7 plays the same game, where can you go? But they say we have a “free market” economy.

  38. data dave says

    cagcrisp says
    17AM 2017 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – ELLIS ISLAND 14,642

    No comments on this one? Not as bad as I expected. I’m sure the number will drop by about 1K in week 4 with returns, but it is on path to exceed Ozark. It does seem like the P pucks have moved from the low 17K range to the upper 15K range this year.

    Overall the mint is going to see a 10 year fiscal low for sales and profits.

  39. data dave says

    @Mr. Kairu – at least they are still in the running for more Privateer 2 oz’ers. Looking forward to the next Egyptian God issue.

  40. cagcrisp says

    @data dave, “No comments on this one? Not as bad as I expected.” I Agree.

    “Overall the mint is going to see a 10 year fiscal low for sales and profits.” The Mint will see 10 calendar year low for sales and profits on the bullion side.

    Not to sure on the 10 year fiscal year side for numismatics sales and profits. The 2016 Walking Liberty Gold and the 2017 American Liberty Gold were both in FY17. Both created a lot of sales dollars.

    Net Income for the numismatic side was $8.9 million for FY16. That’s pretty much a Low Water Mark for profitability…

  41. Brad says

    Heads-up in case anyone cares, there’s only 18 of the 2016 Annual Uncirculated Dollar Coin Sets left at the time of this writing. Those may not be coming back once they’re gone.

  42. cagcrisp says

    @KCSO, As you suspected the 2017 LESPS is priced the same as the 2016 LESPS…$139.95

    This will be the FIRST LESPS with all”S”

    Mintage has not been released.

    IF it’s 50k it will be gone in a hurry…

  43. earthling says

    Will it be “Deja vue all over again”. Sellout in 3 minutes followed by mass returns?

    Where’s that bucket of popcorn and that case of beer all iced down and ready to LMAO.

  44. earthling says

    These days “crytocurrencies” is the word. Everything else is just stuff. Stuff that no one wants anymore.

  45. earthling says

    👃
    💩

    Hmmmmm……………. ?

    It seems like everyone is hopping on the Crytocurrencies freight train for big speculative profits. But is anyone actually using this fantasy money to BUY things? Seems like just the ultimate ponzi trap to lose money on.

  46. says

    Cag –

    Flip City here we come!

    Gonna have some Falls City with my Flip City come the 5th,

    Not!

    Seriously though, I’ve thrown in the towel on my hopes that we’ll see Frac Buff’s this year – ain’t gonna happen.

    No way are they gonna drop anything that may compete against this Liberty series..,

    We get the 4 coin Liberty set, the LESPS, and Pd BU this year, and that’s, that.

    We won’t get Buff’s next year either if they’re toying around with idea of a Fractional Gold Liberty.

    You made the call earlier in the year, I’m a believer now. Oh well, got my $$$ for my Pink Gold set aside now!

  47. cagcrisp says

    @KCSO, with the success of the American Liberty series, both Gold and Silver, I see that’s the Mint’s future.

    You either drive looking through the windshield or looking in rear view mirror.

    The fractional buff’s are rear view mirror as far as the Mint is concerned.

    The Proposed $10 Gold American Liberty will cannibalize enough without throwing in the frac buff that could actually out sell it…

  48. cagcrisp says

    How successful is the American Liberty Gold?

    Currently it has Out Sold the 1 oz. Proof AGE
    Currently is has Out Sold the 1 oz. Proof Buffalo

    How successful is the American Liberty Silver medal?

    After Launch week, the American Liberty Silver medal has Sold 2.45 x as many as Combined 1 oz. Lions club Silver Proof, Lions club Silver Uncirculated, Boys Town Silver Proof and Boys Town Silver Uncirculated…

  49. earthling says

    Cag

    Thanks for the insights into the Liberty Series so far. Looks to be a booming success when you look at it in the right light.. and you have found the correct light.

    Since the Mint is loading us up with new weird different products I wonder if there a ghost chance in hades they could possibly produce my nightmare coin? 😈

    In the spirit of 5 oz Silver Quarters and 1/2 oz Gold Mercury Dimes , I envision a 5 oz Gold 1/2 Cent Coin. Or really go full out nutso and make it a 10 oz Coin !

    Come on rudderless Mint – don’t think about it – just DO IT !

    😨

  50. Larry says

    Every once in a while I bring my 1934 $10.00 bill in to work to show some young person. I tell them to read the small print, where it says ” “this note is legal tender for all debts public and private and is redeemable in lawful money at the United states Treasury or at any Federal Reserve Bank”. Then I tell them to read the fine print on any present bill. The confused look on their face is priceless.

  51. So Krates says

    WTF is a crytocurrency? Is that what convicted Congressman Jefferson kept in his freezer?

    It’s crypto , with a “P”.

    If I had a returned gold Eagle for every time you left out the P, I’d have a roll with a red lid by now.

  52. Wilsonesq says

    The LESP mintage is set at 50,000 with a 2 per house hold limit as currently stated on the mint’s website.

    Item Number: 17RC
    Mintage Limit: None
    Product Limit: 50,000
    Household Order Limit: 2

  53. gatortreke says

    Re: the cryptocurrencies, I am curious as to why new ones are being referred to as ICO’s (Initial Coin Offering) considering there are no coins involved. Is it to give them an air of legitimacy? I say that believing cryptocurriency(ies) have a place in commerce of the future but am puzzled as to why the coin reference has been incorporated into their name.

    Here is the wikipedia summary of the term ICO:
    Initial coin offering (ICO) is an unregulated means of crowdfunding via use of cryptocurrency and is applied by cryptocurrency businesses as an alternative to the rigorous and regulated capital-raising process required by venture capitalists, banks, or stock exchanges.

  54. Mint News Blog says

    Hello, all — My apologies for the radio silence from MNB. Irma knocked out our power and Internet in Atlanta. The power came back after a couple of days but we still have Internet issues. We’re figuring out how to get around that, and are working on getting a new blog post up today.

    Thanks,
    Diana

  55. Larry says

    The American Liberty Silver Medal Set has a HHL of 50K and 2 per household. So tempting. If only these were coins.

  56. says

    Is the Mint actually just getting into Silver Rounds with these Medals? Anything to raise Money.

    I wonder if they have considered Cryptocurrencies yet? I saw something about McDonald’s and Burger King starting their own brand of Cryptos . Seems to be where the action is.

  57. cagcrisp says

    Bitcoin Down another 9% Today.

    Off 25% from high.

    Chinese bitcoin exchange BTCChina will stop all trading September 30…

  58. So Krates says

    That’s rich.

    The guy who paid $13,000,000,000.00 to settle allegations of fraud calls Bitcoin a fraud.

  59. Louis Golino says

    Got my pair of Ellis pucks today. Paid $199 for both, which is $30 less than Provident, $40 less than APMEX, etc. at today’s prices.

  60. bigguy says

    Larry I agree I have enough trouble just saving coins,much less medals,i wish the mint would stick with coins anything to make more money

  61. John Q. Coinage says

    Crypto crashing currency more like it- I argued with my brother in law, told him they are not unlimited, they csn be mined, & it’s a scheme……unless you want to buy a Condo in like Saudi Arabia, good place for a blue eyes dude to walk around I bet! (not…#1 kidnap target!) ……Silver dropping as is the Eliis puck price$, but still an extra $50 IF you want *’s on the Flag?

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