2017 Platinum Eagle, Liberty High Relief, and Boys Town Design Candidates

Today, March 15, the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee will discuss a large group of design candidates at the U.S. Mint Headquarters in Washington, D.C. The agenda includes discussions of possible designs for the 2017 Boys Town Centennial Commemorative Coin Program, the 2017 20th Anniversary American Eagle Platinum Proof Coin, and the 2017 American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin and Silver Medal. Members of the committee will also discuss a possible series of bronze medals considered for issue along with the 2017 World War I Commemorative Coin Program. There are a lot of images and I happen to be traveling today, so I apologize for the unwieldy formatting. The candidates are included below, separated by obverse and reverse designs.

2017 20th Anniversary American Eagle Platinum Proof Coin

Obverse:

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Reverse:

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2017 American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin and Silver Medal

Obverses:

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Digital Liberty

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Reverses:

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2017 Boys Town Centennial Commemorative Coin Program

Gold:

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Silver:

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Comments

  1. KCSO says

    Does he have any numismatic experience?

    Maybe I should ask, has he ever collected a coin?

  2. KCSO says

    2017 American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin and Silver Medal

    Obverse – LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.., LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Reverse – I’m out of the business of buying high dollar coins just for the Reverse.

  3. tP says

    Wow… I am really glad I didn’t buy into the HR series…

    @Louis…I know you were high on the Jeppson appointment last summer… but seriously running a home construction business and then Direct of the US Mint? I suppose we can stretch any resume we want to meet the needs…

  4. majacra says

    I can’t tell if HR-O-12, HR-O-07 look good, or if that is just because they are next to such ugly ones.

  5. Dave SW FL says

    Too much there to comment on without offending and/ or boring the board.
    Suffice it to say that they have their hands full and I won’t be buying any of them.

  6. , Tinto says

    So glad I did not go for the 2015 HR gold …….. and Jeppson should have stayed away from the Mint, IMO things got worse after he came on board, January 2015

  7. EvilFlipper says

    And in my opinion Liberty shouldn’t appear to depict an actual race. Her face should be kept as undefined yet ubiquitous as possible. That’s why the coins of the early century work so well.

  8. earthling says

    Hey its a sweet day when we can share in the design process for Zimbabwe and Botswana. There’s some great design proposals for collectors of those nations coinage.

    So where’s some great designs for American Collectors? We need some nice ones.

  9. Dustyroads says

    Wow, looks like I’m having a bit of a problem in picking a nice looking design for the HR.
    Maybe 0-07-C or 0-10-C.
    Not at all unhappy that I own a 2015 HR, but will be interesting to see what happens to interest in the series.
    My guess is interest will go down.

  10. bg35765 says

    Obverse 06 doesn’t make me want to smash it with a hammer, so I’ll vote for that one.

    RE: Obverse 01 – Wasn’t Lou Hoover on a coin just last year? Give someone else a chance!

  11. cagcrisp says

    I Have no problem with 12-C or 12-M. I like both obverse and reverse. Most of the others will not sell Half of what the ’15 high relief Liberty did.

    Political Correctness. Seems like we are have a presidential election about PC and it’s not going well for PC…

  12. cagcrisp says

    In my above comment I should not use Political Correctness. I should use Political Agenda.

    I try not to be political, however, the 2017 HR seems to be a Political Agenda of one party leaving the White House and Trying to get a Specific coin done on the way out.

    There is HOPE for all. We will have a New president in 2017 and we will have a new Treasury Secretary and IF a certain party is in the White House in 2017 we will NOT have some of these portrayals on a coin.

    No way. IT doesn’t matter How many committees approve of these designs or whether the current Treasury Secretary approves, some of these coins will never be on a coin in 2017. No way…

  13. cagcrisp says

    2016 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – SHAWNEE 15,631 -159
    2015 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – HOMSTD 21,275 +63
    2015 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – KTCHIE 19,449 0
    2015 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – BOMBAY 17,309 -7
    2015 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – SARATG 17,563 -7

  14. gary says

    WOW!!!! What an absolutely fantastic portfolio of design work done by the U.S. Mint artists, especially with the American Liberty High Relief Gold Coin and Silver Medal program. Many of the designs are quite excellent!

  15. Leo S. says

    If this is the best American Artists can render, I am done with the end of the FS series. This designs looks like something from the Sunday comics. I still like the 5 oz. coins but this latest offering is very substandard.

  16. cagcrisp says

    2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – NIXON 1,745 +141
    2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – NIXON 1,028 +81

    2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – HARDING 1,870 +15
    2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – COOLIDGE 1,891 +12
    2014 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – HOOVER 2,368 +4
    2014 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – HOOVER 1,847 +6

    2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 2,448 +6
    2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 1,706 +8
    2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – EISENHWR 2,680 +2
    2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – EISENHWR 1,774 +2
    2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – KENNEDY 11,221 +1
    2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – KENNEDY 5,900 +38
    2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 2,422 +11
    2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 1,578 -2

  17. Dave SW FL says

    Mr. Jeppson,

    Thank you for your service!

    Now, don’t try to kid us about our new website and shipper! REALLY??????????

  18. data dave says

    Looks like the FS Johnson UNC is going to be the new low seller. It is still 300 behind Eleanor and is losing traction. With Ford to come out soon, I think Johnson has seen the peak of sales. It would now have to sell 10 coins per week the rest of the year to get out of the basement. Now of course Nixon or Ford could go lower still. a modern gold coin with a mintage of only 1750, would it be the rarest??

  19. So Krates says

    VERY interesting designs…and I’m sure some strong comments will follow.

    Just an exercise in self examination – What was your initial gut reaction to the racially unambiguous designs that don’t look like you? How different was it to your inner response to the women that appeared to be of your own race?

  20. So Krates says

    What is the significance of 1792? 225 years ?

    I see many of the obverse designs are submitted with and without motto…I assume the motto will be edge inscribed if not on the obverse? Many of the reverses are also sans E. Pluribus Unum and USA. HR-R-12-M has ONLY the Eagle perched in a tree with not one word present! Nice clean design, along with HR-R-11-M and 01-M. It would seem that if they picked an obverse with no motto and a reverse with one/no motto then the edge would be very cluttered (which would be just fine IMO).

  21. SilverFan says

    I do like HR-O-10-M (or C).

    HR-O-07-M (or C) looks like the girl I took to the prom many years ago…lol

  22. So Krates says

    cagcrisp says, “Political Correctness. Seems like we are have a presidential election about PC and it’s not going well for PC…”

    Wrong….It’s not going well for PC in the GOP schoolyard fight. PC did just fine when Black Lives Matter took over a Bernie rally a few months ago.

    I am NOT a subscriber to political correctness. I think it is an ENEMY of TRUTH. But, the coalition of Blacks, Latinos, LBGT, women, and youth will Orange Crush that raccoon with the terrible comb over come November.

  23. mattarch says

    I don’t agree with 1792 on a liberty coin. Lots of people were freeer under the articles of confederation starting in 1781 or with the declaration of independence in 1776. Bill of rights might guarantee rights but with less ‘freedom’ with the constitution as a whole.

  24. KCSO says

    tP, Siverfan, Zaz, Xena – word has it from a very credible source that Cleopatra will be a series. 😍

    Stand by…

  25. James says

    I am just wondering if anyone else is getting tired of the civil rights coins. It seems every year the mint has a new civil rights coin and they are always just so damn ugly. Then they don’t sell.

  26. Mike in NY says

    The 12C or 12M are decent. The others leave much to be desired. Why is the mint using the same reverse for the Platinum Proof as they do for the bullion coin? Seems surprising given the beautiful reverse on the 2015 and eagerly awaited 2016.

  27. gary says

    @Socrates… I believe the 1792 date relates to the U.S. Mint’s establishment. If that is what the meaning is with that date, it is not a significant anniversary to mark on a coin but O.K. I guess on a medal. Or it could be nothing more than a sort of “placeholder” date in making the design (these are preliminary sketches after all). my preference would be for it to simply have the year of issue only on it.
    If the American Liberty High Relief Gold/Silver medal is to become an established series it would be wonderful if Liberties of different ethnicities AND ages were depicted over the years the series might run.
    By the way, I just loved that comment you made in one of your above posts, “…will Orange Crush that raccoon with the terrible comb over come November.”

  28. Louis says

    1792 is because the USM began then and the coin’s are intended to celebrate their 225th anniv.

  29. KCSO says

    Care to share the CCAC’s recommendation?

    Inquiring minds want to know if they should just plan to leave the hobby now? 😒

  30. cagcrisp says

    @KCSO, you need to rank the Obverse from Worst to First and ONE of the Worst wins out.

    The Reverse is Acceptable, however, it doesn’t matter to me because the Obverse is so bad I want be a Buyer.

    The price of Old Gold just went up. You wonder Why the Mint is losing numismatic customers…

  31. tP says

    @KCSO… not sure I’ll leave the hobby – but I obviously am going to curtail my purchases with the poor coins being sold. I just spend several minutes going through the boys town choices and don’t see any that strike me as being great. The whole HR coin thing must have some buyers out there… I sure as heck am not one of them. I never liked the series idea and if these are the choices for the coins…good luck to the mint.

  32. cagcrisp says

    As bad as I think the design of the HR is, it’s not a Bad Day financially for Me. It is a Bad Day for Bill Ackman…

    circus coins, HR coins, political agenda coins…

  33. EvilFlipper says

    I don’t like the theme of Liberty depicting an actual face. That’s why I thought last years design sucked as well. I called it the Megan Fox high relief. Liberty has many faces, and she needs to represent that. It’s what Liberty does that’s appealing, not what she looks like.

  34. cagcrisp says

    This is what I said at 11:56 this morning:

    In my above comment I should not use Political Correctness. I should use Political Agenda.

    I try not to be political, however, the 2017 HR seems to be a Political Agenda of one party leaving the White House and Trying to get a Specific coin done on the way out.

    IF I am Correct then the Obverse the committee will choose is the HR-O-8

  35. Old Big Bird says

    225 is because on April 2, 1792 the US Congress resolution established the Philadelphia mint.
    Most numismatic authorities consider the half disme of 1792 the first US coinage. This coin was
    produced at the Philadelphia mint.

  36. So Krates says

    Scott says
    MARCH 15, 2016 AT 2:33 PM

    @ So Krates, Don’t bet on it, unless you’ve got the inside scoop on voter fraud.

    No inside info, Scott, just a basic understanding of political demographics. If I were to “bet on it”, I would see Vegas has Billary at 1:2 and the guy who looks like he drank too much Sunny D at 3:1. So what do you know that odds makers have overlooked?

  37. Old Big Bird says

    Hey since I am such and old bird I should know I was there
    This is before you make fun of me like last time

  38. Sith says

    Well I said I would not buy the 2015 HR, and I got one, but again I think I will pass on the 2017 HR, nothing really attracted my attention except for the date 1792. I assume with that date, we are celebrating the 225 anniversary of the Coinage Act?

  39. earthling says

    If the USM really wants to make Press they ought to put Flip Wilson in Liberty drag on a Coin. Or how about Eddie Murrays Buhweat dressed as Libatee Laydee.

    Yo go fo it suckas.

  40. So Krates says

    @ gary – Yeah, I like that idea to change ethnicities of Liberty each year, but it would probably sell even less than the dismally unpopular FS series.

    The obverse HR 10 looks like it was clearly influenced by “Freedom Girl”.

  41. Scott says

    @ So Krates, I know the freestuff army is taking over and dead democrats tend to show up in droves on election day. That’s the best explanation I have for your odds.

  42. So Krates says

    @ Scott- While I won’t deny people like “free” stuff (like Medicare and Social Security, roads, schools and libraries), I will question if voter fraud is a real problem. It seems there are very few isolated cases and raising the issue is really an excuse to suppress the poor and minority vote which are disproportionately effected by new ID requirements. Incidentally some of the most nefarious voter fraud was perpetrated by Republican Secretary of State in Ohio, Ken Blackwell, from the INSIDE with Diebold and voting machine manipulation.

    http://columbusfreepress.com/article/diebold-indicted-its-spectre-still-haunts-ohio-elections

  43. So Krates says

    Dave SW FL says
    MARCH 15, 2016 AT 12:09 PM

    Why am I constantly under moderation? Is one no longer permitted to be critical?

    Might’ve been that Peter Principle Marine comment the other day.

  44. Zaz says

    Can I rub salt in my eyes now for having viewed that collection of line art? Not even good line art, mind you. Insipid, pedantic, uninspired medallic art that a computer aided program drew. Are there any sculptors left in the building that could sculpt a coin freehand??? That motley assortment of lifeless liberties and eagles makes the ’15 HR look like a Saint Gaudens original. (facepalm)

    In a word — execrable.

    The Boys Town designs have some promise and actually look like viable coins.

  45. Louis says

    I can assure you the committee takes no political direction and is under no political pressure, and the fact is that most of them really liked these designs.

  46. stephen m says

    Oh my! Oh no! I like the 2015 liberty high relief I have but some of the 2017’s I don’t care for. Political correctness is going to far for me in this changing world.

  47. GoldFishin says

    I probably will just start buying the gold buffalo and eagle in proof and be done with it every year. I guess Pablo Picasso was correct when he said…

    “We all know that Art is not truth. Art is a lie that makes us realize truth, at least the truth that is given us to understand. The artist must know the manner whereby to convince others of the truthfulness of his lies.”

  48. tP says

    I am quietly LMAO… free stuff and the represented reply is…

    Social Security – a government mandated tax that is paid into for the life of a worker (collecting the benefit is free?)
    Medicare – another government mandated tax that is paid for the life of the worker (collecting the benefit is free?)
    Roads – paid for with fuel taxes both state and federal (free?)
    Schools/libraries – paid for with local property taxes (probably a lot of people getting these for free – I have no kids and still pay for the schools)
    Colleges are paid for in many states through taxes – again not sure I get free schools anywhere

  49. So Krates says

    Thanks for the link to the confirmation hearing, Louis.

    Typical day I would think, for Colonel Klink. Every Senator thanked him for his military service and had ZERO questions to ask, except for the Chair which tossed him a softball so Rhett wouldn’t feel completely ignored. He named dropped D Rittenhouse and TR and pretty much just read highlights from the annual report. He postulated the main cause of declining numismatic income was from a softer economy and a drop in the disposable income and changing demographics of collectors, while the reason for increasing circulating coinage is a stronger economy.

  50. GoldFishin says

    ..There is no free lunch…somebody had to plan for it, sow for it, sweat for it, pray for it, harvest it, prepare it, and OFFER it. Only then is it free….stealing from one and giving to another is NOT free. It is theft.
    Sort of in a philosophical mood tonight…. 😉

  51. cagcrisp says

    People don’t realize that not only is social security taxed at a rate of 6.2% up to $118,500 but that your employer has to pay the Same 6.2% on the $118,500. IF you are self employed you have to pay Both side (12.4%).

    That’s why I chose Not to file as a professional gambler…

    People pay 1,45% of Unlimited Wages for Medicare and yes the employer has to match the same 1.45%…

  52. Yes, But...You Can't Take It With You. says

    tP at 6:44 PM You’re right on. It always cracks me up how when these things are listed, basic infrastructure items (like roads) are mixed in with entitlement “freebies”. Conspicuously absent are bloated medical, welfare (SNAP, etc.) and other such programs. Not to mention that even with infrastructure like highways, increasingly the commuter is forced to pay for electronic passes if they want to be in the fast lane (i.e. the only lane moving), despite having already paid for the highway through taxes.

    Also, not to mention: It’s assumed that we want the things listed to be provided through the gov’t when in fact many of us don’t prefer that at all. At least with the Mint we end up with national coinage for the country and some options for numismatic collectors, however ineptly executed.

  53. Louis says

    I know many will disagree but obverse 8 is growing on me. From an artistic perspective and factoring in that they wanted a profile, the design should look good on a coin. 12 was good but would not work well on a coin esp. in a half dollar size. A simple design is needed and if you accept that beauty comes in many forms, 8 should look pretty nice.

  54. So Krates says

    tP – guess you missed the quotes I placed around the word free. I have quoted the economic cliche before here, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH.

  55. Montana John says

    According to Mike Unser of CoinNews.net the CCAC has selected HR-0-08 and HR-R-01

  56. tP says

    Cag wins the you pick the coin lottery… not a chance in hades I’ll be buying this series.

  57. tP says

    So Krates… there are a lot of “freebies” given by the tax payers of this country to others. You listed several items that are not even close to being free. It is well known you lean towards the left – and believe Billary and Bernie have the “social vision” to make America everything you want it to be…

  58. cagcrisp says

    @tP, I Already Knew that they chose that before I posted.

    What I did is said to be Red Boarding in the gambling game. Kinda like the movie The Sting…

  59. tP says

    cag…figures… I know you look a lot of places and probably saw the selection. I just held out hope you were a seer of some kind…

  60. So Krates says

    HR-0-08? Whatchoo talkin bout, Willis?

    Seriously though, we do need some more black folks in this hobby (although I doubt this selection would do much to help). Of the few African Americans who I have interacted with on a coin basis, all but one gentleman were interested in a coin related to Black History. Almost always either a Lincoln coin or the BTW/GWC commems.

  61. So Krates says

    tP – While it is often easier for lazy thinkers to label things left/right, Capitalist/Communist, atheist/believer, etc. ,the truth is often much more complex.

    I do not support either of the candidates you mentioned and disagree with many of their positions and agree with others. I was a Rand Paul supporter and am now undecided.

  62. So Krates says

    I don’t even know what this free argument is about. My point was about election fraud. Who is all for freeloaders? Certainly not I. I’m no member of the freestuffarmy (which incidentally sounds like a reincarnation of the “welfare queen” of the 80s). Nothing’s free.

  63. Yes, But...You Can't Take It With You. says

    I feel like the world is falling off it’s axis… Recently, So Krates actually invoked the name of God (although I think it was tongue-in-cheek) and now he proclaims that he supported Rand Paul. What’s next? Will we discover that he actually collects coins?

  64. So Krates says

    @ Yes.. – That’s funny, lol. Of course my God and Jesus comments are tongue in cheek and meant to get people thinking in their own terms. However my libertarian bent is quite genuine and should be evident to all who read my comments. I am for maximum freedom and liberty until it bumps up against others rights. Only then should restrictions on individual freedoms be placed. A while back (on this blog I think) I argued for no seat belt or helmet laws with a bunch of Pinkos telling me how selfish that position was, lol. I try to evaluate each issue on it’s own merits, as should all of you, and stop worrying about what is supposedly “left” and “right”

  65. GoldFishin says

    @SoKrates- Hear Here!! Your Bestest Post Ever! (And yes, the misspelling is intentional)

  66. So Krates says

    That’s more than enough for today. Gotta get back to my “sheltered” life GF.

    gold coins, silver coins, circus coins, and rhodium coins….

  67. Give Me Da Money Plz says

    You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help little men by tearing down big men. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by destroying men’s initiative and independence. And you cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they can and should do for themselves. -William J. H. Boetcker

    In order to keep this post on topic, I agree that the designs for the 2017 High Relief Liberty and Boys Town commemoratives are just more politically correct garbage.

  68. M says

    I hate it when I am tempted by “gotta have it” coins…but relieved when I see images like this. What does the US Mint have against putting some animals on coins. Enough of the generic close up portraits. Beautiful coins can be sculpted honoring all types of people…these are not even close.

  69. Yes, But...You Can't Take It With You. says

    I’ve been thinking some more about the PC/ethnicity comments on the 2017 Liberty proposed designs. I think that what bothers me about the designs and makes me think that this is all about PC is that there are few, if any, Asians shown. (Maybe one or two of the designs could be taken as Asians but it’s a reach, IMHO.) Seems to me that since the Black and Hispanic groups are making quite a bit of noise recently (Immigration, Black Lives Matter), they are being “rewarded” by being featured in these designs. Since no one would argue (I don’t think) that Asians are fewer or a less deserving segment of our population, why aren’t more of them shown? I think it’s the PC thing.

    It’s interesting to reflect on how often Indians are shown as representative of Liberty. We tend not to think much about that, I suppose because those coins have been there all our lives and also because the Indians are indigenous to America. But is does illustrate that we “tolerate” other-than-white people to represent Lady Liberty. Most of us our quite fond of those coins!

  70. Ilio says

    Racially ambiguous? Really? Old coinage is as lily white as they come. Look at the people that the coins were modeled after. After looking at the images of the new designs, I knew immediately what the comments would be from this group in general.

  71. Give Me Da Money Plz says

    Lady Liberty and Lady Justice are intended to be racially neutral.

    You may have a different opinion, but when I walk past my local courthouse and I see the statue of Lady Justice sitting out front, and when I see Lady Liberty featured on a gold coin, there is nothing to me that resembles a specific race or ethnicity. We need to stop with the hypersensitivity and grow up. This is such a stupid issue to be fighting over. We live in 2016 for god’s sake. Get along.

  72. tP says

    @Ilio … your comment actually is interesting although I am sure it was meant more as a slam against those of us who post here. I’ve read several posts over the years that imply the collector base for the mint products are older middle aged white guys. (I’ll admit I fit into that group).

    With that in mind – what has the mint actually done to grow the base into other markets? When I turn on the TV I don’t see any US Mint advertisement. When I browse the web on news sites or Amazon or eBay – I fail to see any US Mint advertisement. In fact the majority of people in the US don’t even know they can purchase mint products right from the mint. Think about it – you can buy a coin on the mints website and list it at some inflated value on eBay and have a drove of buyers – and the coin can still be purchased on the mints site for far less. We’ve pointed this out many times here – people just don’t know that the mint even exists.

    That said… the mint decides to create a new coin line – that is alienating the collector base to a certain extent. They played with this idea over the last few years with coins like the BSA commemorative or the CRA coin, but now have created an entire series – to be marketed to a non-existent collector.

    Last year they sold 50,000 Liberty coins. Some here thought this was the coolest coin ever and some thought it was pure drivel. The initial sales for the coin was strong – some 37,000 sold on the 1st day. Poking into that sales number actually showed less than 15,000 actual buyers – and the coin struggled to find another 13,000 sales for the next 6 months.

    So the question remains – who does the mint market these coins too? I am guessing they are hoping the large commercial buyers will save them this time as well. They obviously aren’t expecting the acknowledged collector base to purchase these. They haven’t done anything to actually expand their market via advertising.

    They’ll again roll-out these coins with a $400 premium over spot – the commercial buyers will snap up 25,000 of them and the mint will call it a victory.

  73. Dave SW FL says

    And then the non-70 grade coins will be returned to the mint to send to us peons.

  74. cagcrisp says

    There are 6 Currently Unavailable and 1 Sold Out Gold on the Gold Coins page of the website. My Guess is that since AGE’s Launch Tomorrow this would be a Good Time to clean up the website and remove the Red.

    Maybe not. Just leave the old up there and mess with your mind…

  75. MN Printer says

    I am not going to buy any of the coins depicted above but it certainly wouldn’t cause me to “leave the hobby”. I don’t care for most of the current stamp designs but it doesn’t stop me from enjoying stamp collecting. I still think the ATB pucks are great and I keep one on my desk at all times to look at and enjoy.

  76. Sith says

    @Ilio – I disagree that the coins are “white”, but you can definitely argue the point and win. However saying that race was not the reason it these figures were chosen, they represent Greek ideals and as such they use Greek art. Although the founding fathers set up a system based more on Sparta then Athens, they idolized the Athen’s democracy. IMHO if the mint wants to reflect liberty using African American why do they maintain the Greek art style, they need to go all in and use African art styles of Liberty. Simply placing a “minority” facade on classic Greek art is not cutting the mustard. The whole project seems forced…

    @tP – “The mint decides to create a new coin line – that is alienating the collector base to a certain extent.”
    – I don’t see how this can alienate a collector base, you don’t have to buy what you don’t like, now saying that what I think is alienating the collector base is the Mint’s wishy washy approach, first it was going to be a series, then a one off, now its a series again.

  77. cagcrisp says

    Gold fixes are in for tomorrows Launch of the AGE’s.

    1 oz Proof AGE $1,560.00
    1/2 oz Proof AGE $795.00
    1/4 oz Proof AGE $410.00
    1/10 oz Proof AGE $175.00
    4 coin set Proof AGE $2,890.00

  78. says

    Louis said:
    … And by the way, he [Jeppson] does have business experience. He ran his father’s [home construction] business when his father became ill.

    That brief foray into the private sector in the early ’90s brings nothing to the table when the issue is how to best improve the operation of the US Mint. He has no discernible experience in retailing/marketing, precious metals markets, numismatics, or (and most importantly), manufacturing.

    Jeppson brags that one of his most important accomplishments since his appointment to the newly created position of Principle Deputy Director of the Mint has been to establish hiring quotas for military veterans. While that sounds nice, it is completely unrelated to accomplishing the Mint’s mission.

    I think most readers are familiar with complaints posted here as comments about receiving defective products from the Mint. These defects are almost always attributable to poor quality controls and are one of the most important issues the Mint needs to correct, IMHO. I doubt, before arriving at the Mint, Jeppson had ever heard about W. Edwards Deming or quality improvement methods like Six Sigma. The successful path to improved manufacturing quality always starts at the top. Quality improvement programs usually end up being charades unless the top boss understands and proselytizes them. That seems unlikely with Jeppson, who lacks the experience and apparently has other priorities.

    My candidate for Director of the Mint already works there and understands the importance of manufacturing quality control. Her name is Stacy Kelley.

  79. cagcrisp says

    Truman vs. Eisenhower vs. Johnson (Updated through Sales on 03/16/16)

    I’ve tracked the Truman’s since 08/02. Total bay Sales I’ve tracked since 08/02/15 for the Truman’s in OGP are 1,062 through 03/16/16…

    1st 62 Sold Averaged $201.00
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $204.81
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $205.93
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $192.91
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $193.37
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $193.64
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $195.57
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $214.75
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $225.36
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $222.94
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $237.11
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $243.05
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $240.99
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $245.65
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $260.90
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $215.29
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $206.12
    Last 56 Sold Averaged $211.60

    I’ve tracked the Eisenhower’s since 08/17. Total bay Sales I’ve tracked since 08/17/15 for the Eisenhower in OGP are 2,503 through 03/16/16…

    1st 215 Sold Averaged $206.68
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $190.01
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $181.08
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $169.49
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $165.77
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $164.73
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $160.19
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $153.62
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $159.39
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $156.52
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $152.27
    Last 208 Sold Averaged $124.68

    I’ve tracked the Johnson’s since 10/27. Total bay Sales I’ve tracked since 10/27/15 for the Johnson in OGP are 1,689 through 03/16/16…

    1st 150 Sold Averaged $96.79
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $94.92
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $87.71
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $81.82
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $78.00
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $72.00
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $73.20
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $72.21
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $70.87
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $72.18
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $70.74
    Last 39 Sold Averaged $70.86

  80. cagcrisp says

    You can look at a Gold index chart, straight up

    You can look at a Oil index chart, straight up

    You can look at a USD index chart, straight down

    Whether they Hold or Not is as the Mint would say “TBD”…

  81. tP says

    @Sith…– I don’t see how this can alienate a collector base, you don’t have to buy what you don’t like, now saying that what I think is alienating the collector base is the Mint’s wishy washy approach, first it was going to be a series, then a one off, now its a series again.

    The point is they are targeting a group of collectors they don’t have. To me that is basically alienating the customer’s they do have, and they have done nothing to reach the customer’s they want through marketing.

    I do plan on purchasing what I like – and the mint is making my choices much simpler.

  82. John Q. Coinage says

    IP I agree, who is their target audience? Ben Carson? We are a melting pot, not a X pot, no diversity here, it is forced as other said, and to quote Mel Brooks (or was it Richard Pryor?) re: ‘o17 HR “Where the white women at?”

  83. John Q. Coinage says

    Designs 13 & 16 are jokes …..how about adding on one “Baby on board” or “Hillary ’16!” yes justice weighs out a determination of law, with a heart… W T F

  84. So Krates says

    @ John Q Coinage – A white woman is on the PAE at the top of the page and in many of the HR designs. While the concept of race is dubious at best, a best guess at ethnicity yields:

    Caucasian 10,11,12
    Predominately white features 7,19,20,23
    White /Mixed European? 17,18
    Could be white 5,6

    That’s about 30-50% white women

  85. John Q. Coinage says

    So Krates,- APE is SOL, so the only issue there is the great amount of effort put into the reverse (NONE!)
    As to the HR coins, we are old but maybe I need glasses, mayb I don’t -> I really don’ mind nor care, but it is so blatent- L00K @ #s 7, 11, {maybe 19, & 20} are not whitr women, 19 & 20 something else, 23 whitish, but #’s 5 & 6 the subjects are clearly African American. again are we starting a series of racial representation PC coins r depictions of Liberty? 13 & 16 are bizarre and in #15 is she holding a socket wrench?

  86. HB Guy says

    The Gold High Relief designs are hideous. What did the USM do: ask Ebony to submit their ugliest women? Not interested in PC designs on what should be a classic coin.

  87. So Krates says

    @ John Q. – This is a silly conversation but …..

    APE = SOL which clearly has the face of a Caucasian woman.

    You say it is “so blatent (sic)” that #11 is not white. I disagree. While her lips are full, she has a strong, straight Roman type nose and light colored slightly wavy hair. You must consider hair type when trying to determine ethnicity. While there are several obverse designs with examples of “black” (naturally kinky/tight spiraled) hair, but #5 & #6 which you say are “clearly African American” have hair types that are straight and light colored.

    Again, I concede this is a stupid conversation…kinda like when I saw people on Fox News arguing that Santa Claus is white and can’t be black.

  88. Jerry Diekmann says

    I am, neither a politician or a bigot, but I won’t be laying out any money for any coins anymore that are PC or obviously show racial figures that don’t look anything close to the Statue of Liberty. If that makes me a narrow-minded old coot, than so be it. These renditions for the most part are just terrible and I won’t be supporting any coins that look close to any of these. I will save my money and maybe buy a palladium proof coin if one is issued. At least I know it will be a beautiful coin.

    I would be interested in knowing if the centennial tribute coins will have the same diameter and/or thickness of the original silver coins, or at least the same as the fractional gold coins. If not, I won’t be buying any of these either. The more time goes by, the less I buy from the Mint. If any of these ideas are coming from this Jeppson guy, he is definitely on target to ruin the hobby, IMO. Does anything in Washington, DC work right any more?

  89. Jerry Diekmann says

    Louis – your comment about you and many of us not liking whatever these Pt, Au, or Ag designs that will eventually be chosen is right on. Actually, I think the Mint may be doing a lot of us a favor. The poor people who spent so much money on completing an undistinguished series like the FS gold coins won’t have to spend money on completing some other have-to-get series. I’m OK with the 2015 HR gold coin, but I have no .desire to be caught up having to buy ugly or PC coins just because they are in some series. We collectors should have known that the Mint doesn’t give a damn about collectors or series after the 2009 Ag proof was not minted. I have one FS coin – the Jacqueline Kennedy, and that’s all I need – I consider it in my type set of different USA coins and series.

    And as for the civil rights designs that some blogger have posted, I agree with them. I would like to see a commem coin issued for Martin Luther King, Jr., and then let’s move on to other areas of importance and interest. We can’t change our country’s unfortunate history regarding slavery, discrimination, the Dred Scott and Plessy vs. Ferguson SCOTUS decisions, the Trail of Tears, Sand Creek, and Wounded Knee, civil rights and its aftermath, all of which were brought to our shores from Europe long before we ever became the USA.

  90. Jerry Diekmann says

    Are the gold medals and the silver medals of this “series” supposed to have the same designs each year? I don’t think this series is even warranted, but I said the same thing nine years ago about the FS series.

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