50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar Uncirculated Coin Set

Today, July 24, 2014 at 12:00 Noon ET, the United States Mint will begin accepting orders for the 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar Uncirculated Coin Set. This is the first of three special numismatic products which will be released to celebrate the milestone for the series.

The Kennedy Half Dollar was first issued in 1964, authorized following the assassination of President Kennedy. The obverse designed by Gilroy Roberts  featured a portrait of Kennedy based on his inaugural medal. The reverse was designed by Frank Gasparro based on the Presidential Seal. A large portion of the initial mintage for the coin was hoarded by the public, limiting the number of pieces that actually circulated. The tendency for the public to save rather than spend the Kennedy Half Dollar is often linked to the decline in use for denomination. Since 2002, the half dollar has only been struck to fulfill demand from collectors and not minted for general circulation.

Kennedy Half Dollars

Since the launch of the Kennedy Half Dollar series, the obverse portrait has undergone a series of changes leaving the current portrait with a much different appearance than the original. Shown above is an image of the 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar next to the 2014 Kennedy Half Dollar, which was released earlier this year within bags, rolls, and annual sets.

The United States Mint has indicated that the coins included in the special 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar products will feature the original 1964 Kennedy portrait design. This will make the coins distinct and separate issues from those released previously.

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The 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar Uncirculated Coin Set released today includes one coin each from the Philadelphia and Denver mint facilities. These coins contain the original 1964 portrait design on the obverse and carry the 2014 date to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the series. Each coin is struck in copper-nickel clad composition with an uncirculated finish.

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Packaging for the product consists of a folder and coin card. The folder includes an enlarged partial image of the 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar and information on the 50th anniversary of the series. The two coins of the set are mounted on a card allowing both the obverse and reverse to be viewed. The back of the card includes information on the coin design, specifications, and a certificate of authenticity.

Each set is priced at $9.95 with an ordering limit of five sets per household. The Mint has indicated that the ordering limit will be re-evaluated and adjusted as necessary during the period of availability. A maximum mintage or production limit for the sets has not been established.

Leading up to the start of sales, the Mint indicated that 37,000 of the sets would be available and ready for immediate shipment to avoid delays in fulfillment. Based on the first sales week, the Mint will evaluate demand and adjust production plans accordingly.

Anticipating a high level of initial demand, the US Mint will be utilizing their “online waiting room” in an attempt to alleviate issues related to heavy traffic to their website. The waiting room will be deployed at 11:45 AM. The last time the Mint used the waiting room was for the high profile launch of the 2014 National Baseball Hall of Fame Commemorative Coins. Based on my personal experience, collectors should go to the online catalog at 11:45 AM in order to get to the front of the line within the waiting room and minimize wait time. The sets may also be ordered from the US Mint by phone at 1-800-USA-MINT.

Forthcoming products to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy Half Dollar include a 3/4 oz 24 karat gold proof coin scheduled for release on August 5, 2014 and a four coin set of 90% silver coins each struck at a different mint facility with a different finish. The four coin set will be released in the fall.

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  1. Pittsburgh P says

    Today is the day… Kinda

    Who is getting the clad version? I figure I’ll grab two just to have… Lets see if they actually ship immediately.

  2. TimTom says

    If I’m logged into the site before 11:45 AM and just refreshed at 11:45 AM would that produce a different result than logging in right at 11:45 AM? Should I be on the product page or just the homepage, will that affect getting into the waiting room? In other words, what’s the optimal process to get into the waiting room?

  3. Mint News Blog says

    I haven’t tested everything, but I would think if you are logged in and refresh at 11:45 AM, it would have the same effect.

    I believe if you are on any product pages when you refresh it will send you to the waiting room page.

    Make sure you are in the online catalog http://catalog.usmint.gov rather than general home page.

    Also, it is always possible that the Mint may have changed procedures for the waiting room. All of this is just based on my observations and how things were handled for the BHOF coin release.

  4. fmtransmitter says

    pass…got two fresh rolls of arches quarters from the bar on the beach of all places…

  5. fmtransmitter says

    what is that long scratch like line on his neck in 2014 rendering? weird…

  6. Jus-a-coin-luvr says

    That’s a good point Samuel. Awhile back, I changed my purchasing behavior with the Mint by grouping coin purchases over a series of months after several desirable coins/sets have all been released. This is especially good sense (to me) when there is no compelling reason to order right away. Shipping charges add-up over time and it is wise to mitigate them whenever possible.

  7. Jus-a-coin-luvr says

    Fm, I’m having to visually reach to see the exact differences between the 1964 and 2014 renditions of the JFK portrait. That line appears to be just a winkle/crease in his neck (which he had). But, the way it is depicted, it looks more like a cut (or deep scratch). Honestly, I never paid any attention to it until all of a sudden the Mint is drawing attention to going back to the 1964 rendition of JFK. 🙂

  8. says

    I’ll just reiterate my comments from earlier threads. While I will be buying this set myself, I am expecting very limited to no wait times. Stampedes for clad products with an unlimited mintage seems very unlikely to me.

    This should be a quiet day… but just in case, I’ll be in there at noon. 🙂

  9. Brad says

    Captain,

    I’d wager that there WILL be a stampede for these. The initial supply will be snapped up by those who want to get them as early as possible, to have them graded as “First Strike” or “Early Releases.” Then, they will sell them for a huge markup to the “suckers” that Smiledon referred to yesterday.

    I’m thinking that the initial 37,000 sets will be gone today, and depending on how long it takes to make more, they may be all that will qualify for the FS or ER grading labels. I’ll probably buy my limit of 5 sets today, so I can leave them sealed and sell them to someone who wants to get them graded. I can always buy more later, since I don’t give a rip about grading. Again, strike while the iron is hot!

  10. Sith says

    CO – I’m in your boat however because to qualify for the “first day release” label the coins have to ship today, and their is a household limit their maybe a slight wait as the dealers scramble to insure their shipment, but this scramble IMHO is being artificially generated by the TPGs as I think the mint is overestimating demand, but we will find out today.

  11. smiledon says

    I am in for the silver 4 coin set only.
    Decided to save for the 2 UHR coins for next year.

  12. Blair J Tobler says

    I’ll be buying this set, but I’ll wait till next week and bundle it with the BHOF Young Collectors Set and a couple of other previous releases I’m behind on.

  13. says

    I don’t see any profit in spending $25 in grading fees on a $5.50 clad half ($10/set plus $5 shipping=$55=$5.50/per coin)

    I may add a set later on when I can combine with other purchases…but I really think the clad set is for true collector’s….not a profit making set.

  14. art says

    I’m not seeing why there will be a stampede for these. Clad + unlimited mintage = ho-hum demand and no hurry at all to order them. What is making the mint think the waiting room is needed?

  15. Steve says

    @art People didn’t expect a stampede for the BHOF release either. Not saying this will be close to the same, but the Mint has been advertising these like crazy for several months now.

  16. ips_stuff says

    The possible “stampede” may be brought on by the limit of 5 per household. Dealers and Flippers looking for more than 5 sets will be having others connecting to place orders to alternate addresses.

    This may be the reason for needing the Waiting room during ordering today.

  17. says

    Brad and Sith,

    I do agree that First Strike labels are a big deal. However, I question whether there will be interest in first strikes for a clad product.

    For the gold and silver sets I think we will get stampedes, but the jury is still out in my opinion on whether the clads will trigger a stampede. Either way, we’ll know in a few minutes!

  18. VA Rich says

    And we wait….

    CO – the PCGS PR/MS 70s for the BHoF clad still continue to performed quite well….

  19. says

    asking $499 and says “grades will vary”…what a joke. I wouldn’t pay that for the Silver Set, regardless of what label it may have on it.

  20. says

    Louis,

    Not so fast! The waiting room is open as the mint warned us they’d be doing it, but we don’t know whether it will count as a stampede until noon. I am still skeptical as to whether the waiting room will need to be used today, but we’ll see soon 🙂

  21. VA Rich says

    They seem to have a captive audience amongst us girls today.., my votes on “stampede!”

  22. Louis says

    What I mean is there is a 15 min. wait in the room. I’d call that a stampede of sorts.

  23. Brad says

    I’m willing to gamble $54.70 on this one. I figure it will be backordered for a while starting sometime today, and those who want them early will pony up some extra dough to get them. Heck, I’ve lost a lot more than $54.70 on some past dogs I’ve bought from the Mint. This one should at least be a break-even if nothing else, so it’s worth a shot.

  24. VA Rich says

    Yeah, I’m with Brad, I think the first lot will be gone by this time tomorrow…, hope they have the Sales Counter up!

  25. Louis says

    Yeah, the time does not mean anything yet. CO is right. I am not used to this waiting room thing yet.

  26. Louis says

    No stampede but I predict the initial 37K run will sell out by the time the gold releases.

  27. says

    Still waiting here. Looks like Louis was the first commenter to get through. Mine’s kind of ping-ponging back and forth at the moment. Jumped to ten and then fell back to eight.

    Very surprised that there is even this much of a wait. I am almost more interested in the sales figures for this piece than the upcoming gold and silver.

  28. Brad says

    I expected it to show as available at first, but it’s already backordered. Now we won’t be able to tell when it’s real versus artificial.

  29. A&L Futures says

    FYSA – I had the opportunity to speak with “J” at the Philadelphia gift shop. Unfortunately, they’re not taking phone orders right now, due to the line of people waiting to buy. “J” said to call back tomorrow.

    No answer at Denver

  30. Samuel says

    people who done ordering, can you get back to the website again like last time when baseball coin was released?

  31. says

    Got my order placed around 12:10. Website was a little “draggy.”

    It’s worth noting the mint seems to have auto-logged me out. Did this happen to anybody else?

  32. gatortreke says

    Made it through after having to click at least 8 times that I wanted to enter the site, order # 4364-4XXX

  33. says

    Samual…I would say yes….when I got onto the site it kicked me out and said I was inactive for over 30 minutes(forgot to refresh)…so I had to log back in….but went onto site and ordered.

  34. mark says

    Damm…wait time was 17..dropped to 15 real quick..now 23 now 20 now 21, 19, 17, 16, 14, 15, 13, 11, 10, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1……done ..order #43645×××

  35. George says

    Order completed at 12:14. Order No 43644XXX. Went quick – it could have been earlier but I had to updated some information. Let’s hope the JFK gold goes well on August 5.

  36. thePhelps says

    I went straight to the waiting room when I tried to log in at 11:45 and @ 12:09 I was in and ordered a couple of these as well as some of the other stuff I had been waiting on. I logged out and then logged back in a few minutes later with no issues. My Kennedy’s are backordered with an expected ship date of 07/28

  37. Samuel says

    even though they said the limit is 5, but it seems u can add to cart as much as you want. their IT dept really sucks.

  38. Clark says

    Remember to clear your internet browser’s cookie cache tomorrow morning or you mayhave trouble logging back into the Mint’s online catalog. The Mint is again using tracking cookies (the code you saw at the bottom of your waiting room page) to hold your place in the waiting room queue. After the first day of BHoF sales in March, the cookie hung around in your computer and prevented access to the online catalog until you cleared it from your browser’s cache. Perhaps the Mint corrected this glitch for this offering, but just in case, be forewarned.

  39. Samuel says

    Louis, i think so too. but it makes the website look amateur. perthmint website is more advanced.

  40. VABEACHBUM says

    Logged in at 1243. Site went into Limbo at 1245. When I went into the waiting room, the timer started at 19, moved down to 15, popped back up to 20, then whittled down to zero to start shopping. Actual wait time was 17 minutes, 26 seconds. However, when the systems tried to transition me back into the e-store, I received a message indicating my account had been inactive for more than 30 minutes (33), and I had been logged out!!! Fortunately, I logged back into my account and immediately went back into the e-store. Added 3 to the cart and did the quick check-out.

    I guess it was a good thing this wasn’t a high demand, limited mintage item. ‘Cause I’d still be picking up pieces of my monitor….

    Side bar – I noticed that the revised schedule pushed out the next ATB-P from end of AUG to mid SEP. Not drastic; just interesting. And still no word on the 2014 UNC Dollar Set and the LESPS.

  41. VA Bob says

    if anyone noticed while the 15 minute countdown was going on and then the waiting room, the box contained a series of numbers to ID the person waiting. This was probably stored as a cookie on your computer, and is what is allowing you to get back in so quickly after ordering.

    The Mint will have to find a way to release that after ordering, unless they want lookie loo’s hanging around after they order. Not a big deal with this offering, but it will suck the bandwidth when they offer something real big (like the BHoF). So be kind to your fellow coin purchasers still waiting, log out and leave the site after you place your orders.

  42. VA Bob says

    VAB – I believe when you see the time go back up it is because of folks re-entering the website with a valid access cookie. People need to order and leave to keep the site moving as smooth as possible, and give others a chance.

  43. VA Bob says

    I’m not sure what the fascination with “returning to the scene of the crime” is. 🙂

  44. gary says

    I got in and ordered but evidently when I checked my order in my account just afterwards it said “Suspended” so I guess I didn’t make the cut for today’s initial release. Oh well.

  45. VA Bob says

    Folks wanting to know what that crease mark on JFK’s neck is on the 2014 coin – That’s the mark Jackie left after throttle him when she found out about Marylyn.

  46. Samuel says

    gary, go back and check again! it is always like that. it takes several minutes to go from sus to open.

  47. VA Bob says

    Gary that should go away soon. I wouldn’t worry. Just be sure your CC info is right.

  48. VaBeachEd says

    My order for 5 sets went through at 12:20, order# 43645XXX.

    Has anyone got a clue about the est. price on the gold yet?

  49. VA Bob says

    VBE – About the $1200 range, depends on the spot price of gold when it is released.

  50. VaBeachEd says

    Louis and VABob,

    Thank you. I think I will get one from the mint and one graded PCGS 70 FS Flag Label. After the Baseball HOF gold and silver from mint and a graded pcgs 70 set of the 6 coins, my bank account is about out.

  51. says

    Clark, Good call on the cookies. I remember when I had trouble logging in after the BHoF stampede, will delete the cookies now.

  52. VA Rich says

    There’s been approximately 2,000 orders placed within the first hour and 20 minutes, so assuming a 3 set order average, there’s 6,000 sets sold.

    Obviously, not everyone purchased their household limit of 5, which in that case, only 7,500 orders could have been placed to max out the 37,500 set available. At a 3 set average, 12,500 orders need to be placed to consume the available sets.

  53. says

    Oh, hey, the old Kennedy presidential bronze medals are back. I recall wanting one awhile ago when I began collecting Kennedies but they were sold out at the time. Rats, I wish I’d known about this. I’d have ordered one with the clad sets today.

    Oh well. I’ll just buy it when I pick up the Young Collector’s set in a few days.

  54. Jon in CT says

    According to the Purchase & Shipping information for the Kennedy bronze medals:

    Purchase Information:
    To ensure that all members of the public have fair and equal access to United States Mint products, any order placed prior to the official on-sale date and time of July 24, 2014, at noon ET shall not be deemed accepted by the United States Mint and will not be honored.

    http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=11045&langId=-1

  55. Jon in CT says

    Forgot to mention that the Kennedy bronze medals (both 1 5/16” and 3″) are listed as “In Stock” whereas the 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half-Dollar Uncirculated Coin Set (K14) is listed as backordered until 07/28/2014.

  56. Louis says

    See the similarity between the 1961 medal and the new coins? I think they should have had info. on the medal somewhere near the new product the way a company will have related products to the one you are looking at.

  57. AkBob says

    Ship date now says: Backordered 9/16/14!!! Looks like another example of the past 3 or 4 big releases:((( Oh well

  58. Steve says

    If the mint delays shipping again this could mean a nice profit for those who get their orders quickly.

  59. JagFan says

    *AKBOB – I guess that means that the inital 37k coins have been accounted for! I guess when they release the Silver Sets in October, if you don’t get in quick, you delivery date will be 2015.

    On a side note, I noticed that MCM will be selling NGC graded WTE Bullion coins… It is on one of their banners.. I don’t know if that includes ER or not however with their connections, they probably are.

    Good Luck All!

  60. says

    Okay, I admit to being surprised. I figured there was no way the initial “run” of clads would sell out today. Looks like I was wrong.

    Thanks a lot for the info, AkBob.

  61. Louis says

    What sold out? It’s still on the site. I see no sell-out today but within 2 weeks or so.

  62. Sith says

    @Louis – He is talking about the initial batch being sold out. My only question is how many sets will be sold just because they were not shipped today, and can’t get the first day release slab.

  63. AkBob says

    I made 2 orders and the first one is saying a 7/28 ship date and the other is 9/06!

  64. jeff says

    Same old trickery the mint plays have xx amount to ship immediately while the rest of the suckered wait till November. How pathetic the mint has lost my business to all who order let us know how it works out for you I’m out of this bs the mint plays. I’ll wait till secondary market least I know exact ship date from eBay sellers. Watching on the sidelines

  65. says

    Louis,

    AkBob indicated a ship date for his order in September, so I would presume this means the initial “on-hand” batch of clad halves has already been sold out. I am sure they can and will make more as soon as they can to fulfill all the order, I am just surprised all 37,000 sets from the initial run have sold out so quickly.

    I had expected only sluggish demand for this product.

  66. Samuel says

    this GM is funny! they ask seller send the box to their office? how much is the gas and time?
    how much is the USPS shipping? just for $25?

  67. Jon in CT says

    CaptainOverkill wrote on July 24, 2014 at 4:00 PM:

    … I am just surprised all 37,000 sets from the initial run have sold out so quickly.

    What if the Mint intends to remove the household restrictions on this product by Aug 5 and has held back 20,000 sets from immediate sale and delivery so that it has enough sets on hand to “satisfy demand” at ANA?

  68. says

    Jon, I’m thinking that the Mint will have maybe 5,000 sets available at the show over the four days the coins sets will be sold, but I know your be sarcastic.

  69. ips_stuff says

    Okay, I see the part of this article that makes it sound as if the silver set will have different finishes, but I can’t find here or doing a search, anything that indicates these coins are any different than one in rolls or bags of 2014 that have been available for months from the U.S. Mint

    Different or Same ???

    Thank you

  70. VA Rich says

    I’ll tell you how many orders have been placed from 12:01 today.

    I need a recent order number and time, please include the ‘hundreds number’ in your order (it’s not like you can glean anything from an order number any way without a last name). Putting a order number without the hundred digit is silly anyway.
    It’s not likely there were many orders placed for other stuff today separate of this coin set on a Thursday of a major release in the dead of summer.

  71. VA Rich says

    Dusty – don’t forget Philly, DC, and Denver – they all sold today, plus what the mint put in reserve for Chicago – which would likely dwarf the inventory of the other sites.

  72. mark says

    Line at the DC mint was all the way around the block. Guy paying homeless people to stand in line. Line wreaked of alcohol and used cigarette butts.

  73. Don says

    I’m passing on the clad set and will wait to order a couple of the silver Kennedy sets. I have already bought a couple of the 1964 Kennedy proof coins off of Ebay (in their original Mint cello packaging) to place in these sets. To anyone who would like to do the same, there are many ’64 Kennedy proofs available on the Bay. Decent, ungraded ones can be had in the $18-$22 range. There are several listed that are still in the original cello packaging, cut from Proof Sets. I like these, as they are still untouched, and the possibility of a mishandled coin is avoided.. I just thought it would be cool to include a first year Kennedy proof in the new, silver 4- coin sets.

  74. thePhelps says

    IPS – this is taken straight from the product description.

    The designs on the coins replicate the portrait on the 1964 design:

    Obverse: The design shows a portrait of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, the youngest-ever-elected president. United States Mint Sculptor-Engraver Gilroy Roberts based this profile on a portrait prepared for Kennedy’s presidential medal. Roberts created his original 1964 design shortly after Kennedy’s assassination.

    Reverse: The design is based on the presidential seal and was done by United States Mint Sculptor-Engraver Frank Gasparro. It consists of a heraldic eagle with a shield on its breast, holding a symbolic olive branch and a bundle of 13 arrows. A ring of 50 stars surrounds the design, which gives this coin the distinction of having more stars than any other United States coin ever produced for circulation.

    Note: All other United States Mint 2014 Kennedy half-dollars that are not included in the K13 and K14 sets share the common reverse described above, while the obverse features a strong but simple portrait of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy and the inscriptions LIBERTY and IN GOD WE TRUST.

  75. HiCal says

    ips_stuff, different read below from Michael’s article.

    “The 50th Anniversary Kennedy Half Dollar Uncirculated Coin Set includes one coin each from the Philadelphia and Denver Mint facilities. These coins are struck in the standard composition of 91.67% copper and 8.33% nickel with an uncirculated finish. Each of the coins carries the original 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar portrait design with an inscription of the 2014 date.

    Earlier in the year, the United States Mint released 2014 Kennedy Half Dollars carrying the standard modern portrait. These coins were included within numismatic bags and rolls, as well as certain annual sets. The two coins included in the 50th Anniversary Set represent distinct and separate issues from the coins released previously.”

  76. VA Rich says

    Thanks Jim, and thanks for realizing that order numbers are meaningless without a last name. And the information you would receive, you can’t do anything with from the Track Order page anyway. Standby…

  77. Clark says

    Steve–Production quality of BHoF clad coins, especially uncirculated versions, was terrible. I returned all 5 unc clads and 4/5 proof clads I ordered and heard others here express similar problems. So if these Kennedy clads are made by the same gorillas that tossed all the BHoF clads around like circulated coins, I’m guessing that perfect 70s will be hard to get from the luck of the draw.

    Poor production quality could negatively affect first strike/early releases labels because they tend to lose value in grades 69 and below.

  78. VA Rich says

    I believe this thing started off this morning with order # 436432xx

    From 12:02 to 12:04 – 200 orders had been placed, or 100/minute.

    Thanks to Jim’s input and his realization that order numbers are meaningless w/o a last name and even with, doesn’t provide account access. The rate of orders continued at over 100/minute, so 1,000 orders were placed w/i the first 10 minutes.

    Within 75 minutes, over 4,000 orders had been placed. As of 5:20, 17,600 order have been placed though this number is being thrown out because who knows what comprises those orders.

    So what does this mean, if you assume an average buy of 3 or 5 sets per order, and I would think those hanging out in the waiting room would purchase 5 sets, within the first 10 minutes, 3,000 to 5,000 sets were sold. 75 minutes in to it, 12,000 to 20,000 sets had sold.

    Minus what the mint reserved for DC, Denver, Philly, and Chicago, and yeah, the first allotment of 37,500 could be close to being spoken for. I’m interested to see the tally for the day by the mint’s figures.

  79. TimTom says

    Using Jim’s order number with my own and assuming all orders placed during this hypothetical window were for K14s with an average order for 3 sets, I estimate the 37,000 sets sold out around 1:40 PM. Just some quick math and broad assumptions to provide some comment fodder!

  80. Ikaika says

    I would be interested to know how many sets were purchased by collectors and not by dealers or flippers?

  81. says

    Ikaika,

    I think the majority of the buyers are probably collectors. I remain skeptical of the premium potential for even the First Strike 70s, and I can’t imagine many dealers rushing to scoop these up by the bucketload.

  82. GoldFishin says

    If this has been discussed more than just posting a link I haven’t read it, but forgive me if it has.

    FROM NGC website:
    “First Day of Issue” Note: NGC will offer its “FIRST DAY OF ISSUE” designation for 2014-P and D High Relief Uncirculated Clad Half Dollars that are purchased on the first day of sales (July 24) and received by NGC in the sealed, original US Mint shipping box with a July 24 postmark date on or before Monday, July 28. If purchased at a US Mint location, the original US Mint purchase receipt must be included. Select the Express tier or higher and specify “First Day of Issue” on the submission form. US Mint shipping boxes must be postmarked July 24 to qualify for the “First Day of Issue” designation. Packaging will not be returned.

    >>I have been pondering this bit of news. It seems to me that the only people that could benefit and receive this label would be someone who stood in line at one of the Mints like P or D and shipped the coins Priority mail today or tomorrow and/or express mail them by Saturday. To me this annoucement was written very poorly because of the implication that the coins had to be in a sealed US Mint box which would not happen if you stood in line to buy them somewhere. The next line says you have to have the receipt but does not mention a sealed box, so I think those are the only folks that could have ever have got them to Florida by Monday the 28th. Who does this First Release Label benefit? I’ll give you two guesses and the first one doesn’t count!! See who is first on Ebay with the First Release label!

    I have never bought clad coins before, but for $50 I thought, why not? I was at work, but my son used his iphone and did better than I would have. Order time 12:10 43644xxx. Est Shipping Date 7-28

  83. Louis says

    Look at the pics on the Mint’s FB page of lines around the block in DC and Philly if you don’t think there is a lot of demand for these from the public.

  84. says

    @Jon in CT, Another Completely Ridiculous, Unwaranted , and False statement. You probably have NOT even looked at the pictures on the Mint’s FB page…

  85. Jon in CT says

    Here’s yet another Mint waiting room announcement:

    Online Waiting Room On July 28: We will deploy our online waiting room at 11:45 a.m. ET on Monday, July 28, for the release of the 2014 National Baseball Hall of Fame Young Collector’s Set to alleviate any potential issues related to heavy customer traffic to our website. Thank you for your patience.

  86. Boz says

    As always I am holding out for the last day of issue certification, expected around Christmas!

  87. Louis says

    Thanks, CC. Yeah, the pics show regular middle class folks, probably fans of JFK- Remember DC and Philly are blue states/areas controlled by the U.S. Congress where people pay federal taxes but have no representation in Congress. I did not see anyone who looked homeless, etc. Funny how Jon takes the word of a poster over the actual evidence. God help us all if we based our facts on what bloggers say!
    By the way Mr. Jon- If you really don’t understand that the word, renaissance, which means renewal, can apply to any period of history, then you need to do a lot of homework. When Teddy Roosevelt and Saint-Gaudens called for a renaissance (it’s a French work in case you can’t tell, not just a reference to a specific period in history) in American coinage, which led to the Saint-Gaudens $20 gold coin, etc., no, they were no calling for a return to 15th century coinage!

  88. VA Bob says

    I’ve seen plenty of those “tax payers” sleeping on benches and subway exhaust vents in both Philly and DC. Not sure who was in the lines at the Mint stores, so I won’t comment on that, but to say “blue state” don’t have their share of homeless is a bit of a stretch wouldn’t you say?

  89. VA Bob says

    Steve – 5 bucks each, for one’s 10 bucks plus shipping isn’t too bad. Of course the household limit really puts a damper on it.

  90. VaBeachEd says

    cagcrisp,

    I saw one on ebay go for over $1,500.00 about 6 to 8 weeks ago in OGP.

  91. Ikaika says

    @ Captain

    So it makes me wonder why Goldmart is wanting people to buy several sets for them if there is not a good chance of making money with these clads. Perhaps its the label game.

  92. VA Rich says

    Received one of those special surveys, here ya go –

    For 2015 and beyond, sets similar to the Teddy Roosevelt Coin and Chronicles Set may be produced for other Presidents.

    These sets would include, at the minimum, a Presidential $1 coin and most likely a Presidential silver medal as well. The sets will sell for around $60-$65.

    If the United States Mint offered products like the Teddy Roosevelt Coin and Chronicle Set for other Presidents in the future, how likely would you be to purchase each of the following? If you would like to see an image of what these sets would look like, please click here.

    Harry S. Truman Coin & Chronicles Set
    Dwight D. Eisenhower Coin & Chronicles Set
    John F. Kennedy Coin & Chronicles Set
    Lyndon B. Johnson Coin & Chronicles Set
    Richard Nixon Coin & Chronicles Set
    Gerald Ford Coin & Chronicles Set

  93. Boz says

    Yes there are much smaller populations of last-day certified coins. When I am dead my estate will be in the news when these come up for auction at Southby’s Ltd. there will be a stampede of the rich and powerful. Even the King of England will be wanting to own them, but will have to outbid the various Arabian and Chinese billionairs.

  94. Tinto says

    I’ll be buying the silver Kennedy’s when they are issued probably 2 sets mainly to keep my US Mint reverse proof collection complete.

  95. VaBeachEd says

    cagcrisp,

    Two listed on ebay under “Buy It Now” OGP UNC. for $615.00

    2014 National Baseball Hall of Fame Uncirculated $5 Gold Coin w COA Sold Out | eBay

  96. Tinto says

    @VA Rich

    Wonder why the Mint started with Truman and not earlier presidents (even FDR) … only the Mint knows and they aren’t telling I guess

  97. Boz says

    VB That doesn’t seem like a bad deal if the seller is trustworthy. There were at least 10,000 like me who waited until yesterday to finally grt the cancellation email from the mint. If only a small proportion of us jump into the secondary market there will be a runup.

    For myself, decided to get Grace and Florence instead.

  98. Pittsburgh P says

    Lol Louis… Jon likes to pick and chose which blog post to “take as gospel” and which to deride & for some reason has one cohort. I reread your post and didn’t see where you or anyone stated “blue states” don’t have their share of homeless. I may have missed it though.

  99. Boz says

    Actually red states are warmer and have more homeless. But we don’t call them that. We call them entitled citizens.

  100. VaBeachEd says

    Boz,
    It is not a bad deal. I am in the same boat with you, about the Mint. I was in the dentist chair from noon on 3/27 and got home after 3 p.m. and did not feel well enough to even look at the computer, so I ordered later. I did buy two on ebay for $590.00 each and also bought all 6 HOF coins in PCGS 70 grade.
    I wrote this below yesterday and have not heard back from the mint yet!!!

    My two HOF Gold (1 unc & 1 proof) were updated on 7-17 to ship on Aug. 1. Today I received an email giving me credit for $4.95 and said my order was never confirmed, so it was now cancelled. I called and two different people told me my order was always on a standby list and now it was cancelled. They were sorry!!! I ask for someone above them and got a voicemail.
    I told them that my order was placed on 3/29 and about a week or so later it was given an order number and a bag was sent to me and every few weeks I received an email saying it was on backorder and a new shipping date was changed. All I could hear was is was never confirmed and they were sorry. No one could tell me why it changed to an order with an order number then they kept changing my shipping date.
    I asked how the U S Mint could keep changing my backorder shipping date, if I did not have a confirmed order and why would they charge me when shipping a Mint bag and give me an order number with a shipping date?
    VOICEMAIL……

  101. says

    @VaBeachEd, Yep there is 2 out there at $615 from the same Seller. An Auction just concluded for $660.00 since I last posted. It had 63 bids. There IS a reason that the $615 coins are still there…

  102. VaBeachEd says

    cagcrisp,

    Seller information

    hereigo31410 (219 )

    100% Positive feedback

    The seller has a 100% , It looks good to me. I would think about it, but I need the cash for the Gold Kennedy and later we have the 4 coin silver set and next year the new Gold HR 1 oz. coin.

    I put up the web page on it about 10 messages ago. Just click it and take a look at it.

  103. says

    @VaBeachEd, It has been on my Watch list for 2 days, Not because I was interested in Buying it. Just interested In keeping a Watch on it and Who Buys It.

  104. Clark says

    I have no doubt that collectors, including me, scooped up many of these Kennedy clads today, but once the Mint announced that it had 37K units locked and loaded for fulfillment, warehouse retailers and other flippers spotted the same window of opportunity to sell at high premiums until the Mint produces & distributes the next round of coins. They are playing the same hedge that drove up gold BHoF prices after the Mint distributed the first batch of $5 coins.

    If the Mint had simply begun selling without mentioning that 37K were already produced, I doubt sales would have been so robust. The 5/household ordering limit at least allowed collectors to buy some of the first batch directly from the mint.

    I expect to see these Kennedy sets and individual Ps and Ds (graded and ungraded) start selling for many times more than what we paid today…at least until September or whenever the second batch is distributed.

  105. Jerry Diekmann says

    A FDR coin and chronicles set would be great (unless you hate FDR – some people do, even the ones who love to collect their Social Security checks). A Richard Nixon and/or Gerald Ford (only President NOT elected)ccoin and chronicles set – PUHLEEZE!!! Gimme a break! Why would anyone want to have a remembrance of those two losers? No – I am not being partisan – I would say the same thing about a Jimmy Carter coin and chronicles set, if he were deceased.

    BTW, if Carter is still alive in 2016, and a president has to be dead two years before his image can be shown on a coin, where does that leave Ronald Reagan? He was president and he has been dead a lot longer than 2 years. I would think he should be shown on a Presidential coin. Then, just end the series and chock it up as a failure, like the Ike dollars, SBA dollars, Sacagawea dollars, and native American dollars. Is there a theme here – are dollar coins failures because no one wants them or uses them, no matter how many millions are struck by the Mint.? And unlike the Morgan dollars, they will never become popular even long after they were minted because they have no PM – they are more like tokens than coins. Maybe someone could let the Mint and Congress know that dollar coins have NEVER been popular or circulated in the United States – never. Yes, a few Morgans did circulate in the “hard money” Western states, but at least half of them that were ever minted (270 million) were melted in 1918 during WW I, which is why the mintage figures for Morgans don’t mean very much.

  106. VA Rich says

    Tinto – ??? I just know I didn’t give the idea very good marks, time to move on from dead presidents and some more interesting/intriguing themes. I was actually quite surprised the question showed given what I would consider dismal performance of the TR C&C set to-date.

  107. VA Rich says

    Here we go again….”Expected to ship on 07/29/2014″ – back to rolling shipping dates, geez!

  108. VA Rich says

    Can anyone comment on what time the line started to form outside of the DC or Philly front doors yesterday? thanks

  109. joseph says

    Gold BHOF order on 3/29

    Products no longer available.

    anyone got the same ‘fate’?

  110. joseph says

    Question on gold mart’s offer

    @ Captain

    So it makes me wonder why Goldmart is wanting people to buy several sets for them if there is not a good chance of making money with these clads. Perhaps its the label game.

    is it for this month (July)? or August, September?

  111. joseph says

    Steve–Production quality of BHoF clad coins, especially uncirculated versions, was terrible. I returned all 5 unc clads and 4/5 proof clads I ordered and heard others here express similar problems. So if these Kennedy clads are made by the same gorillas that tossed all the BHoF clads around like circulated coins, I’m guessing that perfect 70s will be hard to get from the luck of the draw.

    Poor production quality could negatively affect first strike/early releases labels because they tend to lose value in grades 69 and below.

    Not that hard to get, but they are less than Clad UNC

  112. says

    Ikaika,

    You might well be right. I was already wrong once given that the initial “run” of these appears to have sold out, I just am fairly skeptical at the possibility of clad products having much “flip” value.

  113. VA Rich says

    Joseph – if I was MCM, I’d buy as many as I could get, truck’em on up to Chicago, and then say “Howdi, my fellow NGC neighbor from Sarasota, look at what I’ve got!” To heck with standing in line.

    Though, my aforementioned comment presumes that they’ll be a market for ridiculously over priced ANA clads and JFK golds on this go around. As one wise ole poster out here as commented previously, at some point, they’re gonna get burned (over this 1st day label thing).

  114. VA Rich says

    CO – if the Unc sets did burn through the allotment amount yesterday, then standby for the silvers, bet they go in half the time. Mark my words! Happy Friday All! 🙂

  115. Sith says

    CO,- I’m in your boat even if they prove to be popular they will get dwarfed by the silvers and golds. I considering getting a gold again based on this launch. But regardless of the popularity of the clads I will pass

    I was going to ignore it but a Neo- Renasance is an architecture that takes various Renasance/classical designs/styles and combine them in a new manner, like Jon I’m not sure if this word applies coinage but it sounds nice and it looks like it is what the mint is doing.

  116. VA Rich says

    Hey Dusty, have you ever driven past Provident Metals? I was wondering if they have a store front? May have to transit thru there, thx

  117. says

    VA Rich, lol, I haven’t seen any ads from Provident like what MGM has, but now that the idea is out there they probably don’t even need one. I haven’t been to Provident Metals, but they do have a huge single story building in Addison right on the Dallas Parkway.

  118. Jerry Diekmann says

    Just a question about the JFK gold half dollar. I know it’s the same size as the JFK half dollars, but is it the same thickness? I was wondering because gold is more than twice as heavy as the copper-nickel version and almost twice as heavy as the silver version. Thanks.

  119. saucexx says

    CC,

    Prices are definitely creeping up. What’s more interesting is the lack supply. It seems the big dealers have either pulled product or have run out. My feeling is they pulled them back because the glut of 70’s were overwhelming the eBay market.

  120. GoldFishin says

    @ saucexx- if you watched these big dealers as closely as I have you would know they never pull back. If they have supply, they sell it, a few are very undisciplined and practically dump product on the market, but others at least space out their sales and don’t list too many of one product on the same day. The biggest seller quit listing early last week, supply was the lowest last Wednesday at only 41 auction style listings for 70 graded coins for a brief period. Although supply was low last week and is slowly declining, prices didn’t get much of a pop until the 10K or so orders for the gold were cancelled. Since then prices have climbed a little. It is interesting to watch. Oh, by the way the other big kid on the block listed on Ebay today some BIN gold HOF’s. First time I have seen them on Ebay with this offering. Nice weekend all!

  121. saucexx says

    What’s interesting is there’s now only two 70 graded coins listed under $700 with a BIN.

  122. gdt says

    SO first my ship date was 7/28. next day it was changed to 7/29 and backordered. Yesterday it got change to 7/30 This morning it been change to 8/1! If they were ready for the Clad what going to happen when the silver and gold goes on sale!

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