Approved and Proposed Upcoming Commemorative Coin Programs

MarshalsWith a lull in the United States Mint’s numismatic release schedule, I thought it would be a good time to explore approved and proposed upcoming commemorative coin programs for a look at what lies ahead.

Commemorative coin programs are authorized by Acts of Congress. Typically, there are a fairly large number of bills introduced in Congress each year, but only a small number will become law. In order for a bill to become law, it must be passed by the House of Representatives and the Senate, then signed by the President. There are additional rules for coin bills which make passage more difficult. In order for a coin bill to be brought to a floor for a vote, two thirds of both bodies (67 Senators and 290 House Members) must sign on as cosponsors. An additional rule limits the number of commemorative coin programs authorized to only two per year.

There are currently four programs which have been approved for upcoming years. This includes two programs for 2015 and a single program each for 2016 and 2017.

There are twelve different commemorative coin programs which have been proposed for upcoming years, which includes one proposal for circulating commemorative coins. So far there have been no coin related bills passed by the 113th Congress. The bills which seem to have the best chance of becoming law based on the number of cosponsors include programs for the National Park Service (passed in House), Boys Town Centennial (293 House cosponsors), and the United States Coast Guard (300 House cosponsors).

Included below are the approved programs for the next three years, followed by the proposed programs which have one or more bills introduced in Congress.

Approved Programs

2015 March of Dimes

Public Law 112-209 enacted December 18, 2012

Up to 500,000 silver dollars in recognition and celebration of the 75th anniversary of the establishment of the March of Dimes Foundation. This nonprofit organization was founded by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1938 to combat polio and now works more broadly to improve the health of mothers and babies. View the design candidates for the program in this previous post. Several candidates incorporate the image of a Roosevelt Dime, with one including the portrait from the Mercury Dime.

2015 United States Marshals Service 

Public Law 112-104 enacted April 2, 2012

Up to 100,000 $5 gold coins, 500,000 silver dollars, and 750,000 clad half dollars issued in commemoration of the 225th anniversary of the establishment of the United States Marshals, the Nation’s first Federal law enforcement agency. The legislation was written to include extremely specific descriptions of the themes or elements to be depicted on each coin and called for the designs to be reminiscent of the dramatic and beautiful artwork on coins from the “Golden Age of Coinage” at the beginning of the 20th century.  View the design candidates for each coin in this article. The legislation provides that a limited number of coins may be issued prior to January 1, 2015 to the Director of the United States Marshals Service and employees of the service for display and presentation during the 225th Anniversary celebration.

2016 Mark Twain

Public Law 112-201 enacted December 4, 2012

Up to 100,000 $5 gold coins and 350,000 silver dollars issued in commemoration of American author and humorist Mark Twain. There had been a series of bills introduced seeking to authorize this program, with the coins originally sought to be issued in 2010 to coincide with the 175th anniversary of Mark Twain’s birth and the 125th anniversary of the publication of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. There is no particular anniversary cited for the coins authorized to be issued in 2016.

2017 Lions Clubs International Century of Service

Public Law 112-181 enacted October 5, 2012

Up to 400,000 silver dollars issued in commemoration of the centennial of the founding of the Lions Clubs International. This service organization aims to meet the needs of communities on a local and global scale with 1.35 million members across 207 countries and geographic areas.

Proposed Programs

Mother’s Day Centennial Commemorative Coin Act [Coin Update coverage]

H.R. 1905 Introduced May 9, 2013 (49 cosponsors)
S. 2310 Introduced May 8, 2014 (1 cosponsor)

Up to 400,000 silver dollars would be issued in 2018 to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the establishment of Mother’s Day. Bills have been introduced proposing this program going back to 2007 and on two occasions bills were passed in the House.

United States Coast Guard Commemorative Coin Act [Coin Update coverage]

S. 2303 Introduced May 7, 2014 (1 cosponsor)
H.R. 2932 Introduced August 1, 2013 (300 cosponsors)

Up to 100,000 $5 gold coins, 500,000 silver dollars, and 750,000 clad half dollars to be issued in 2017 in commemoration of the United States Coast Guard.

National Park Service 100th Anniversary Commemorative Coin Act [Coin Update coverage]

H.R. 627 Passed House on April 29, 2014 (Passed 403/13)
S. 1158 Introduced June 13, 2013 (73 cosponsors)

Up to 100,000 $5 gold coins, 500,000 silver dollars, and 750,000 clad half dollars would be issued in 2016 to mark the 100th anniversary of the establishment of the National Park Service. Such a program could set the stage for complimentary products including America the Beautiful Quarters or 5 oz Silver Coins.

National Purple Heart Hall of Honor Commemorative Coin Act [Coin Update coverage]

H.R. 3867 Introduced January 14, 2014 (91 cosponsors)

Up to 50,000 $5 gold coins, 400,000 silver dollars, and 750,000 clad half dollars to be issued in 2017 in commemoration of the National Purple Heart Hall of Honor.

Pro Football Hall of Fame Commemorative Coin Act [Coin Update coverage]

S. 1842 Introduced December 17, 2013 (24 cosponsors)
H.R. 1653 Introduced April 18, 2013 (34 cosponsors)

Up to 50,000 $5 gold coins, 400,000 silver dollars, and 750,000 clad half dollars would be issued in 2017 to recognize and celebrate the Pro Football Hall of Fame. In the 112th Congress, a bill had passed in the House with 294 cosponsors, but ultimately failed become law.

Korean Immigration Commemorative Coin Act [Coin Update coverage]

H.R. 3729 Introduced December 12, 2013 (no cosponsors)

Up to 20,000 $5 gold coins and 10,000 silver dollars in commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the beginning of Korean immigration into the United States. The coins are to be issued in 2018, long after the 100th anniversary which occurred in 2003. The maximum mintage specified for the silver dollar is far below the typical level and would actually mark a new mintage low for a modern commemorative silver dollar.

Breast Cancer Awareness Commemorative Coin Act [Coin Update coverage]

H.R. 3680 Introduced December 9, 2013 (2 cosponsors)

Up to 500,000 silver dollars to be issued in 2018 in recognition of the fight against breast cancer. The legislation specifies that the designs would be selected based on the winning design from a juried, compensated design competition.

Boys Town Centennial Commemorative Coin Act [Coin Update coverage]

S. 1011 Introduced May 22, 2013 (29 cosponsors)
H.R. 2866 Introduced July 30, 2013 (293 cosponsors)

Up to 50,000 $5 gold coins, 350,00 silver dollars, and 300,000 clad half dollars would be issued from 2017 to 2018 to celebrate the centennial of Boys Town. Neither the House nor Senate bills include a provision for surcharges to be added to the cost of each coin, which are typically collected and distributed to a beneficiary organization.

Panama Canal and Pan-Pacific Exhibition Centennial Celebration Act [Coin Update coverage]

H.R. 2760 Introduced July 19, 2013 ( 17 cosponsors)

The program would include five different coins featuring the designs of the five classic commemorative coins issued in 1915 for the opening of the Panama Pacific Exposition. The coins would include round and octagonal $5 gold coins, a $2.50 gold piece, a gold dollar, and a silver half dollar. The legislation also provides for the optional issuance of clad composition half dollars for circulation.

Thirteenth Amendment Commemorative Coin Act [Coin Update coverage]

H.R. 2633 Introduced July 9, 2013 (73 cosponsors)

A program including three coins to be issued in 2016 to mark the 150th anniversary of the adoption of the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which officially marked the abolishment of slavery in the United States. The coins would include a bimetallic platinum and gold $50 coin, a $20 gold coin, and silver dollar. The bimetallic coin would be only the second such issue from the US Mint, while the gold and silver coins would each carry uncharacteristic specifications.

American Liberty Coinage and Deficit Reduction Act of 2013 [Mint News Blog post]

H.R. 2535 Introduced June 27, 2013 (6 cosponsors)

The program would include alternating circulating commemorative dimes and quarter dollars featuring depictions of Liberty starting with the dime in 2015. Half dollars would also be issued with a design emblematic of the concept of Liberty, which would be changed every ten years. All of the Liberty themed coins would be issued concurrently with the standard designs featuring Presidential portraits. The program is directly linked to the prospect of increased seigniorage generation for purpose of deficit reduction.

World War I American Veterans Centennial Commemorative Coin Act [Coin Update coverage]

H.R. 2366 Introduced June 13, 2013 (109 cosponsors)

Up to 350,000 silver dollars would be issued in 2018 to commemorate the centennial of America’s involvement in World War I and to honor the over 4 million men and women of the United States who served in uniform during the war. Previous commemorative coin programs have been issued to memorialize the Civil War, World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War, but no programs have specifically honored veterans of World War I. The ANA has urged its members to support this bill.

Facebook Twitter Email

Comments

  1. VA Rich says

    cag – can you share the date/time of the order and were they previously scheduled to ship 6/30?

  2. Richard from Atlanta says

    My gold order was placed at 1:15pm on 3/27 and was previously locked on a 6/30 ship date if that helps anyone. I’m now sitting at in stock and reserved with cancel boxes.

  3. Brad says

    Mine too, Cag. At least the first one at 3:46 pm 3/27 anyway. The second order at 3:56 pm is still backordered to 6/30.

    And by the way, as a pre-emptive strike I hereby thumb my nose at anyone who is apt to chastise us for going “off-topic.” Who cares?

  4. Foggy Boy says

    PAN-Pac on a $5 blank???? Come on!!!! Me and my friend Chet would gladly pay the freight for a coin that is consistent with the original design and a current date.

  5. says

    I’m familiar with most of these programs as I follow the proposals fairly regularly. One surprise here was that the Panama Canal proposal was still floating around out there – I’d had the idea that the chance for it become law had already passed.

    Of the programs most likely to be profitable for the mint, I’m thinking the Football Hall of Fame coins in 2016 will probably get a similar response like the baseball coins, especially if the football coins are curved or otherwise uniquely shaped.

    I’d also like to see the Panama Canal and the World War One commemoratives become official as well. As I stated in an older thread, I think the Mother’s Day commemorative would likely end up with a weak design and poor sales.

  6. joe says

    Mine also went to “in stock and reserved,” and was ordered around the same time as Brad; maybe a bit earlier. It will be interesting to see if this has an effect on the prices for the BHOF gold coins.

  7. gary says

    Of the commemorative coin programs yet to be authorized I think the top 3 most worthy are:

    World War I Centennial
    National Parks Centennial
    Thirteenth Amendment Sesquicentennial

    The three worst ideas and programs (for me) are:

    Pro Football Hall of Fame
    Pan-Pacific Centennial
    Korean Immigration

  8. VA Rich says

    Nice summary – though disconcerting that we’re still seeing repeat themes that better have nice astonishing design if they’re to be winners, and the military related are over due for a rest. Still haven’t figured out why we needed a Comm for the foundation of the federally funded General Staff College, oh well, sure pulling for the American Liberty Coinage Act though!

  9. joe says

    I would love to have a Panama Canal coin! I’m currently reading “Path Between the Seas” by David McCullough, and it’s amazing what it took to build the Canal and how many workers from all over the world died trying to get it built. After the French (who had successfully finished the Suez Canal) failed in their attempt, the USA took over and got the job done. Interestingly enough, the Russians and Chinese are now in talks with Nicaragua to help fund and build a second canal to compete with the Panama Canal. Their plans for a Nicaraguan Canal are essentially where engineers from the USA originally wanted the original canal to go almost 150 years ago.

  10. stephen m says

    CaptainO, The football hall of fame program will do well but I don’t see a curved football coin doing as well as the curved baseball coin. The curved coin seems to fit the baseball coin with it’s unique design very well. Maybe the mint can score a TD with a design that fits the football coin. I’m sure it will be tried. CC&Brad, it’s past time to get the BBHOF coins shipped. I hope the remainder of them will all ship now the hold up, whatever it is or was, is possibly over.

  11. thePhelps says

    Order Date: 03/27/2014 at 02:05 PM

    Shows in stock and reserved – cancel box is gone.

    I ordered a bit later and that one is still showing a 6/30 ship date and none of my other silver or clad coins have changed either.

  12. stephen m says

    VARich, my 2 proof dollars haven’t moved from 6-25 ship date that I ordered at 830pm on the 27th. I ordered 2 unc. dollars getting on the waiting list and they show 9-4 ship date.

  13. MN says

    A replacement BHoF Proof Silver Dollar (original order 3/27 @12:18) is backordered until 6/12 so they must be expecting Silver in soon.

  14. VA Dave says

    My Gold BHOF proof coin went to “in stock and reserved”. cc was hit for the charge and the cancel button is gone! Wohoo! Ordered 3/27, 3:00 pm sharp.

  15. Louis says

    My backorders seem to still be backordered, but I am not sweating it as I have had some of them since April.

  16. says

    So Brad has a 3:46 that is good and a 3:58 that is still backordered. Good news. Maybe the Mint got a substantial number of Gold produced and will ship them all together and then produce some more and ship these in increments vs. sending all out on one specific date. Best case senerio…

  17. VA Rich says

    Thanks guys!

    $5 – 3:30 pm order – cancel box gone.

    $1 PRF – 7:00 pm order on 3/27 – forecasted 6/06 ship date

  18. Ikaika says

    BHOF gold coin update:

    My order was placed at 3:30 pm on 3/27. I thought I had broken the record on the waiting room. Just checked the status: “In stock and reserved” cancel box gone.

  19. VA Rich says

    Hey guys – just FYI for what it’s worth – spoke to CS on delivery dates –

    A 3/27, 7 pm order for $1 PRF that is listed as 6/06 will move to the right to 6/19; $1 UNC will remain a 6/19 ship date.

    PRF Halves with ship dates of 6/25 will move to the left and ship June 2nd.

    You all know this is subject to change, just passing along what was conveyed just now.

  20. says

    This was just posted on the Mint’s FB page:

    Join the United States Mint as we celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 at this year’s Civil Rights Game in Houston, Texas. Please stop by and learn about our 2014 Civil Rights Act of 1964 Silver Dollar and 2014 National Baseball Hall of Fame Clad Half-Dollar. We look forward to seeing you at the following three events:

    Thursday, May 29
    Baseball & Civil Rights Movement Roundtable Discussion
    Time: 12:30 p.m. CT
    Location: Union Station at Minute Maid Park, Houston Texas
    Admission: Free

    Friday, May 30
    MLB Beacon Awards Luncheon
    Time: Noon CT
    Location: Hilton Americas Houston, Houston Texas
    Admission: Tickets available at MLB.com/civilrightsgame

    2014 Civil Rights Game: Baltimore Orioles vs. Houston Astros
    Time: 6:45 p.m. CT
    Location: Minute Maid Park, Houston Texas
    Admission: Tickets available at MLB.com/civilrightsgame

  21. says

    @VA Rich, I would not think that the Mint would have many Clads at the above mentioned game unless they are getting ready to ship.

  22. Pittsburgh P says

    Has anyone had their card declined for nsf before? The mint tried to hit my card today for my BHoF gold coins and my account was 16.78$ short so my account was put on hold. The coins still say “in stock and reserved” and I called and had the hold removed and transfered funds. Am I at the back of the line now or will they try to hit my card again today? If this has happened to anyone before your input would be much appreciated. CS was zero help…

  23. says

    @ Pittsburg P. I had a CC charge that was not mine and I called the Mint and talked to the accounting dept and they got it straight. Just call the Mint’s CS and get the number for the accounting dept

  24. Jon in CT says

    cagcrisp wrote on May 28, 2014 at 3:03 PM:

    Friday, May 30
    MLB Beacon Awards Luncheon
    Time: Noon CT
    Location: Hilton Americas Houston, Houston Texas
    Admission: Tickets available at MLB.com/civilrightsgame

    Mya Angelou was supposed to attend this event and receive a Beacon Award, but she inconveniently died on Tuesday.

  25. KEITHSTER says

    Since you called them and got the funds in they should hit it later today and send them on to you. If you don’t call it can be up to a week before they try again.My GSM’s have been instock since friday anyone getting shipping on the last of those yet? Sorry GoldFishin as I’ve been hooked on leaving them sealed I don’t know what they look like? are your bat teeth marks in the same place on the ones that have them? As I don’t send them back not sure how long it takes but it seems to vary? I tend to think of the mistakes as little mint birth marks and hope someday they will be called mint errors oh well to each his own? My other order of Shenandoah’s was delivered today but will also stay locked up in the mint box unless there be a major on those but may open up the GSM’s when they ship just to check them out myself as I have some boxed up already and something funny seems to have gone on with these last ones? Well Good Luck All:>:>:>

  26. GoldFishin says

    My Unc. gold “in stock and reserved” and credit card charged. Order time 12:58 am EST 3-27. So cool!! Silver Proofs ordered 3-28 no change, expected ship date 6-12.

  27. GoldFishin says

    I will be in for the Marshall Service gold at least if they do a good job choosing the right design by focusing on the tradition and history of the service. I also think the Coast Guard commemorative could really open up the possibility of some really nice design choices.

    For the Football Hall of Fame I think they should consider a football shaped oval, completely 3D design, something similar to a Faberge egg. They can start off with an round blank like a basketball and strike it simultaneously from both sides to shape it into a football. 🙂 Will be huge winner!

  28. VA Rich says

    cag – that’s interesting, and it collaborates with what CS said about S making the shipment early and PR Halves moving forward, maybe we will more CC hits this coming weekend.

    I sure wouldn’t want to be the Operations Manager at P, they must be burning the midnight oil to get all this stuff out!

    Coin Update Sales report is out –

  29. VA Rich says

    GF – re: football – you’re not looking to make any friends out here, are ya? ;7
    Would be a huge winner, football fans will buy anything!

  30. GoldFishin says

    @Keithster – the Shenandoah “baby bat teeth marks” are most definitely before they do the vapor blasting finish. They start off as tiny pits and sort of get filled in by the finish, but not enough to hide them. They are not all that bad, but your eye does tend to be drawn to them so I sent them back for replacement. On the two that had them they were both on the Obverse side rim at about 10 o’clock. Otherwise, the coins were flawless.

  31. GoldFishin says

    Va Rich…this is sort of a hard place to make friends anyway, so might as well have fun with it! Seriously, in my opinion the US Mint does their best work when they combine ingenuity and tradition. It is a hard balance, but they definitely scored a touchdown with the HOF coins. Whoops!

  32. VA Rich says

    GF – I couldn’t agree more, I’ve taken my fair share of the beat downs this year. We need to get some more younger guys out here to share the wealth!

    For those that ordered WTEs from Downies, they must have received their allotment as CCs are being dinged.

  33. says

    This was a latter post on the Mint’s FB page:
    The United States Mint will be selling the 2014 Civil Rights Act of 1964 Uncirculated Silver Dollar and the 2014 National Baseball Hall of Fame Uncirculated Clad Half-Dollar, as well as other core products at three locations during the MLB Civil Rights Fame Weekend’s activities in Houston, Texas. Will you be attending?

  34. Louis says

    @GF- The Marshall designs have been recommended with just some slight differences between the CCAC and CFA. This was covered not long ago. The designs are really good.

    Don’t shoot me for being off topic, but I got some ATB 5 oz albums recently from Wizard. They are great for the bullion coins but if you wanted to use them for the collector versions you would need to replace the Mint capsules, which I am reluctant to do esp. as they seem to provide good protection. Has anyone found an album that fits the numismatic versions?

  35. Pittsburgh P says

    Thanks cag I called back and was transferred to the accounting dept. and they hit the card immediately… They said they woulda tried again in a few days like keithster said then sent and e-mail if problems still occurred but that would have been longer delays in shipment.

    About these commemoratives I actually would like to see the Korean Immigrant coin and the very, very low max mintage numbers would be a plus… I’m sure they wouldn’t be hugely popular but it shouldn’t be that hard to sell out 10,000 silver dollars!

  36. GoldFishin says

    Majacra – I agree with you, a forgotten war and a great generation of Americans. I wrote a rather lengthy response but it disappeared into nothingness. I must have used an unapproved word.

    @Louis – thanks, yes I read the complete story and saw that recommendations had been made after I had posted. For the most part, I think they recommended very solid designs.

  37. fmtransmitter says

    Mya Angelou was supposed to attend this event and receive a Beacon Award, but she inconveniently died on Tuesday.
    Doh! Wonderfully insightful, pleasantly strong woman…RIP…

  38. Zaz says

    OT, the 5oz bullion Arches had the 10-coin tube and 100-coin monster box added to APMEX’s 5oz listings, so they must be preparing to accept preorders fairly soon.

  39. HIdalgo says

    For those of you who have been waiting to receive their gold 2014 National Baseball Hall of Fame coins from the US Mint…..

    My order, placed on March 27th at 1:59 PM is now “In stock and reserved.” My credit card has been charged.

    I placed a “test” order immediately after the “Waiting List” notice was posted. The order was placed on March 27th at 6:34 PM. It is still “backordered.” “Expected to ship on 6/30/2014.”

    Good luck to all!

  40. CF says

    My order placed on March 27th @ 3:01 PM ” In stock and reserved” no sign of cancel box and my CC has been charged. YES!!!

  41. fmtransmitter says

    Glad to hear mint shipping out golds to everyone…cheers, hope u get an error!

  42. says

    Congrats to all of you that have waited so long for the BHoF gold coins….good to see you will get them soon.

    I placed a test order for 2 gold BHoF coins on 3/30 at 7pm. This was about 12 hours before thet quit taking orders. It has a ship date of 7/14. Like I’ve said earlier, this order should be one of the first ones cancelled.

  43. says

    Louis….I haven’t found any ATB 5 oz display holders that will hold the Mint capsules. I’ve got a couple of nice wood display boxes, but they are also just for the bullion capsules.
    I have taken one set of the “P” version and put them in the bullion capsules…..it’s not too difficult if you are careful. I later sold that set and had to put them back in the original Mint capsules. But I am surprised that after 4/5 years of these, no one offers a display for the Mint capsules

  44. Tom says

    The Coast Guard Commemoratives would be neat to see.

    I think All branches of military sevice should be recognized.
    I liked the Army commoratives of 2011.

  45. VA Bob says

    The breast cancer coin should be interesting. Perhaps the next “curved” coin? The TPG’s could label any deep cameos as the “extra chilly” variety. Seriously, a good cause. WWI seriously overlooked, even with a glut of military themes, I’d like this one. Not so crazy for the few PC themes mentioned, they can’t seem to get the hint that these things don’t sell, but when collectors aren’t involved in the decision process that’s what happens.

  46. hw says

    Off Topic. For those of you who are interested in the Saddle Ridge Hoard. Amazon.com is selling most of the coins. The most expensive single coin, $1.2M, was sold within a couple hours yesterday. I think that coin was the only perfect or near perfect coin. There is currently a 14 coin set still on the market for $2.8M (MS 62 -66+). The next highest single coin grade is at MS 64+ and they are at $17,500. For those of you with deeper pockets, all of the MS 65, 65+ and 66+ graded coins are sold at the Kagin’s site. Take a look at the pics. They are a sight to behold!

  47. VA Rich says

    Off Topic. For those that are into the military themed commemorates, the mid-Atlantic WWII airshow is 6-8 June at the Reading, PA airport – unequivocally, one of the most impressive themed airshows with a good balance between European and Asian ground & air assets. And it’s a great way to meet someone that made a difference and see history. Fortunately, a flipped Unc 5 BHoF will get ya a seat on a B-25 with enough bongos left over for a few beers afterwards, so if any of the regulars out there makes up Saturday afternoon, a cold one (or two) on me! Let me know

  48. joe says

    I’m definitely not interested in any PC commemorative coins. The Mint has already done enough of those. Frankly, I’m surprised a gay marriage coin didn’t make the list, but I’m sure the day isn’t far off.

    I was initially interested in the Saddle Ridge Hoard coins, but they are WAY over priced. If there was some historical significance to the hoard, it would be one thing. Just finding a bunch of gold coins in some rusty cans isn’t enough for me to pay twice the going rate.

  49. Zaz says

    Re: Saddle Ridge hoard: saw the one day display of 60 coins, mostly gold $20s coined between 1855-1894. Some of the 64s were real stunners but not for $17K on the Amazon site. Most are overpriced, including the 14-coin set for a cool $2.7M. Oh yeah Kagin will give you one of the rusted cans they came in for FREE! The highlight was the ’66NM in 62…. The rest of the cans are going to the Smithsonian, then they’ll go to the SF Museum and historical society when and if its finally built and operational. For a $10 admission fee, the display was pretty awesome. Just like one of us winning the lottery!

  50. Dave says

    OT. My replacement silver Proof sets arrived and all had the striations on Washington’s head. That was just the beginning. A smudge about 1/8th of the coin on reverse of one quarter ( PB & J worker lunch?), hair inside lens, more ” rust” spots on golden dollars, and on and on. These are the worst proof sets I have ever seen – and I’ve got a lot of them.
    Q. Does the mint place the coins in the holders or is that subbed out?
    Guess I’ll wait for the LESPS for this year’s proofs or maybe buy TPG coins.

  51. VA Bob says

    Dave, my silver proof set will arrive today. I’ll be looking it over it hard. Proof Buff will be here too.

  52. MN says

    I think returns have slowed the Mint’s BHoF coin progress and now there’s a problem with Silver Proof Sets (I sent 2 sets back for refund). I purchased two NGC70 Proof Silver Kennedy on eBay but found buying graded slabbed coins doesn’t guarantee quality will be any better. Proof coins shouldn’t be graded 70 if you can see silver globs, grease marks and so on without magnification (the strike isn’t everything IMO). The eBay seller is a coin dealer and re-sent true NGC70 coins so some are graded fine. U.S. Mint Proof quality doesn’t seem to be what it used to be so there may be new low mintages!

  53. fmtransmitter says

    JOSEPH says
    MAY 29, 2014 AT 7:30 AM

    LOOKS LIKE THE BIDS FOR GOLD BHOF ON EBAY ARE DOWN NOW. NOT GOOD……
    Simple economics of supply and demand, BTW, YOU DON’T NEED TO YELL AT US….

  54. fmtransmitter says

    I think the smudges are grease marks imo, after all, it’s a machine shop, more so, a stamping plant. This place seems so over worked with coinage they don’t have time to eat a PB and J, let alone clean their machines and replace with some fresh grease and from what I know about workers, you start pushing them, quality goes right out the window, with yesterdays fridge of leftovers in the break room…

  55. says

    The selling price for the last 20 sales of in hand OGP Gold BHOF coins is $1223.01. That does not include shipping.

  56. thePhelps says

    fm – $10 over spot isn’t cheap to me. While that silver might have an interesting history – I’ll pass.

  57. merryxmasmrscrooge says

    You forgot the new NFL Football, Basketball, Golf, and Soccer ball commemorative coins.
    With the success of the baseball… Minting these is a no-brainer.

  58. merryxmasmrscrooge says

    Yeah, the first, I mean the first!! curved, football-shaped coin!! get it right here, folks!

  59. fmtransmitter says

    @thePhelps, I agree…If you just want to stack the OPM’s are the best price from MCM…There are others out there may be less as well…

  60. fmtransmitter says

    When I got mine, they were less than that, they must have raised the price due to popularity..

  61. Dave says

    @FM
    Re: complainer/returner list
    Would you keep these sets in the described condition?
    If I buy a used car, I expect dings, scratches, imperfections.
    When I pay nearly 3X melt, I expect quality coins. They should grade 69 or 70 for their price.
    I had no problem with WP and 5* as they were ALL excellent quality. Why should the SPS be of lower quality?????

  62. Dave says

    Forgot a line.
    When I buy a NEW car, it better not have dings, scratches, or imperfections ion the body.

  63. Jon in CT says

    Dave wrote on May 29, 2014 at 12:10 AM:

    Q. Does the mint place the coins in the holders or is that subbed out?

    Except for very rare instances, all coins kits (coins and OGP) are assembled by U.S. Mint employees. The fulfillment management contractor only boxes up completed kits and ships them.

  64. Dave says

    Thanks, Jon. That makes it even more disappointing that the quality issues are from the mint.

  65. joseph says

    @Hidalgo
    not too much, but they are not like what they were one week ago. one more thing, no one knows the quality of this wave, will they be the same as the first one? there were more 70 in grade than 69. who know about this wave of coins shipped out? remember someone mentioned there were some production problems and caused the delay. let’s see what we will get.

  66. posterhunter says

    The only coin out of all of these that will probably sell is the NFL coin. And it has to have a great design like the BHOF coin. If they do the usual route where the mint designers show some guy kicking a football it won’t be as popular.

  67. VA Rich says

    Jeff – would like to get your opinion again please (it’ll serve as a tie breaker) –

    So I now have my OGP and slabbed sets comprised of the coins I plan to take to the grave, I have some 70, 69s, and raw good quality coins left over. I’m in no hurry to unload them and can sit on for a while. I suspect you’re still really long on the golds, what about the dollars and clads in say, raw and slabbed? Take advantage of the price point today, wait until late summer/early fall and reassess, sit a year +? Thanks Bro!

  68. joe says

    @Dave says – Don’t give them any ideas. P. L. E. A. S. E.

    Sorry – my cynicism gets the best of me sometimes. But you gotta admit, they could have some fun with what the put on the obverse and reverse of the coin.

  69. VA Rich says

    Guys – regarding quality – here’s a different angle on the topic – the grading population reports on the BHoF is a farce. The coins that I sent in that returned 69 look better the 70’s I received from a retailer (that I bought as a safe guard that I would have 70’s). I’m not josh’n, there is a difference. It goes back to my comment to Eddie the other evening that got sent prematurely, in the Dollar & Half, a 70 is not a 70 until you’ve held it in hand and made your own assessment. I personally think the $1 PRFs should be grading 70 at around 35-40%. PRF Clads at around 20-25%

  70. fmtransmitter says

    Dave says
    MAY 29, 2014 AT 9:19 AM

    @FM
    Re: complainer/returner list
    Would you keep these sets in the described condition?
    If I buy a used car, I expect dings, scratches, imperfections.
    When I pay nearly 3X melt, I expect quality coins. They should grade 69 or 70 for their price.
    I had no problem with WP and 5* as they were ALL excellent quality. Why should the SPS be of lower quality?????
    I completely agree with you…I am on your side about quality. That is why they accept refunds/exchanges…

  71. Dustyroads says

    Finally got an SNP-P 5oz. (subscription) delivered today, not a single contact, or shinny spot on the coin, it’s perfect!

    Louis, You should go ahead and take you 5oz. coins out of the Mint capsules and use the aftermarket capsules for the ATB 5oz. presentation booklets from Wizard. They’re probably never going to offer a book for the numismatic P’s.

  72. Dave says

    @ Dusty
    Got my pucks today and mine are perfect, too!
    Just can’t understand how they can so such a great job on these and so poorly on the proof sets.
    OK, I’ll quit complaining now.

  73. Dustyroads says

    Dave, When I got my Silver Proof Set via subscription, I found strange almost hidden lines moving vertically down the obverses and some reverses of many of the coins in the set, very disappointing. It makes me wonder how many of the sets are flawed. I’d be interested in a knowing more about the story.

  74. jeff says

    @VA Rich my take to this point is as planed I’m still bullish, though as inventory comes on line I expect this dip.
    This dip will be short lived as many more are just finding out about these coins. I am now watching the FS/ER/FR labels I feel these are the keepers since these TPG programs have concluded. I also see the mint shipping these coins in a wave of three installments with some shipping mid June and the latter in August/September Gold will always be the prize Silver and clad you won’t go wrong. I sold all that I received from the mint waiting on my other 5 orders total 50 silver 50 clad unc. of course .

  75. says

    Poster hunter,

    In regard to the football HOF commemorative: how about a football on the obverse and an image of a leather helmet on the reverse?

  76. says

    fmtransmitter,

    Are you, by some chance, the former highlowsilver? Your frequent use of “LOL” provides the clue that you are.

  77. Jafmidtx says

    Mystery of the Mint? I have an order for 2 gold HOF on 3-28 at 7:58 pm. Date moved from 7-14 to 6-30. Any chance that I may get those???? or maybe 6-30 is the date of cancellation !!

  78. GoldFishin says

    @Jafmidtx- customer service will tell you that dates mean nothing and I have to say with this offering that has been true. My Unc. gold order placed first hour had ship date of 6-30 and yesterday it gets filled. I was told they have to put something in the system. The one thing you can do is compare your ship time to other people who ordered at about the same time chronologically. You should have similar ship dates as compared to folks who ordered at about the same time(in hours, not days).

  79. says

    In regard to the football HOF coin, how about an image of a football on the obverse and an image of a leather helmet on the reverse? I’m not in favor of a football shaped coin–stay with a conventional one.

  80. VA Rich says

    Haha! No, FM is not High Low that’s for sure.., but that inference is the funniest thing I’ve heard this week. FM is gonna blow a gasket when he reads that! FM – think puppy dogs and ice cream Bro! 🙂 Not sure where Hi Lo is, but he hasn’t out here in quite some time.., unless he moved to CT!

    Jafmidtx – thanks for posting that – I have a 7:01 and it did the same thing. I’m still writing it off.., but hey, you never know!

    Thanks Jeff – as always, much appreciated! Good Luck!

  81. Don says

    VA Rich,

    I guess you know fmtransmitter well enough to comment on his behalf. The two things that he and High Low shared were the often used “LOL” and the prolific amount of comments that spewed from each of them. High Low just seemed to have dropped off the proverbial cliff–unless he is now using another handle, which I now doubt, based upon the unique sarcasm and attempts at humor that colored his comments.
    High Low: if your are still alive and well, let us know.

  82. Don says

    VaRich,

    Fm is going to blow a gasket? Are you implying that there is no love lost between him and the late and great high lowsilver?

  83. fmtransmitter says

    I know fmtransmitter, and hi-low, your no fmtransmitter…LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOWWWWWW….wow

  84. Ray says

    Ive often thought some user id’s were duplicates, but now i think i was wrong. only one person posts 5-6 times in a row, lol.

  85. Pittsburgh P says

    Don,

    Seems like you know both Highlowsilver and fmtrans to comment on their behalfs…

    Although fmt does post alot his comments are not mean spirited or an attempt to register a reaction as highlow(usually). Maybe highlow did move to CT – LOL LOL LOL 🙂

    VaRich are you takin the flight or just goin up to the show in Reading?

  86. VA Rich says

    Yeah Don, & if you recall some of the banter wars that would erupt about a year ago, yeah there’s no relation there. That was pretty funny.. all in good humor! But agree, High Low is a trip and hope he’s doing well.

  87. Don says

    Pittsburgh P,

    If Mr. shell collector, highlowsilver, did move to Ct., he should find some nice specimens along the shore of that great body of water known as Long Island Sound.

  88. VA Rich says

    Pitt – planning on Saturday afternoon, though watching the late day B-25 flights on Sat/Sun as they’re relatively empty at the moment. Hoping the B-29 shows again this year.

    Well, the Houston game is on! Think it’s great that the mint is taking the coins to the fans, look forward to reading about how it was received tomorrow on their site, should be great publicity!

  89. VA Rich says

    OMG – you guys are cracking me – Don, he did make a comment about using that bag to collect sea shells in, didn’t he? Or was that you? Alright, time to go see how much my BHoF dropped in value today.., thanks for laughs!

  90. Louis says

    Some fellow on e-Bay tried to claim he never got a baseball dollar he bought from me, but the tracking showed it was delivered, and after calling he said he got a lot of pre-order coins and it must be one of those. E-Bay (despite all those fees they extract from sellers) takes your money back until things are resolved, which they were before long, but this is not the first time, and I think they should give you a chance to prove you did your part before they take your money back. As usual no loyalty from the Bay. It’s a dog eat dog world. So better be prepared.

  91. Pittsburgh P says

    Don,

    Yes, very true along with the dead marine life still in the shells since the western part of that great estuary is basically dead due to pollution(couldn’t tell if there was sarcasm in your post)… but I don’t believe that’s what the CT reference was referring to at least I wasn’t.

  92. says

    Louis….I hate that happened to you. The good thing is that you have the tracking info that shows your coin was delivered…so this jerk is losing a battle he can’t win. But it sucks that they hold your money until this is resolved…but while it may take a little time, you will prevail.
    Let us know how this plays out.

  93. Dustyroads says

    Louis, In all my dealing on Ebay, I always tried to settle things with people in the most sensible way first. There was only one case in which I became a victim, but that was the intention. For the most part, I’m glad to see that most people take the exchanges made on Ebay seriously, and in a business like manner, separate from the plain nonthinking, single cell like individuals amongst us….but not here on this blog!

    Where did HI HO/HI LOW go? One of the last things I read him say was that he was selling his silver.

  94. says

    Dustyroads,

    I’m thinking that HiHo or HiLo bailed out of coin collecting to pursue his passion for shells on a full time basis. So instead of collecting silver dollars he is now building his collection of sand dollars. I wonder if he tries to get them graded.

  95. Dustyroads says

    Hawkster, Hope he didn’t get caught in a rip tide trying to pick up a perfect 70!

  96. Louis says

    Thanks very much, Steve and Dusty. It’s all taken care of, money released, let the good times roll…..The guy was just confused.

  97. Mk says

    @Louis-This might sound extreme but, I video tape my packaging/sealing of the coins. Especially if it’s an expensive transaction. I don’t want someone claiming there was nothing in the box. :/

  98. smiledon says

    Well, I am at a loss here as to why breast cancer needs to be put on a coin.
    I deal with this along with many other types of cancers since that is the field I work in.
    Nevertheless, prostate cancer kills just as many males as breast cancer kills females. For me, having the Zodiac sign for cancer on one side with a desire to end this killer on the other side will have a wider base of support. Leukemia kills kids, testicular cancer takes young men, and lymphoma takes young people while colon cancer takes anybody that is past 30. Pancreatic cancer has no real effective treatment with lung cancer not having an effective screening process.
    I will support the World War 1 coin, US Coast Guard coin, Purple Heart, Boys Town, Panama canal and the Park service coins. The other coins that are on this list; I think not. However, this is my opinion.

  99. Dave says

    @Louis,

    Your experience is the reason I always require signature confirmation on my sales on the Bay. You might want to consider it, especially after the recent discussions of how insurance of coins does not work with the shippers. It’s pretty cheap in comparison to the sales price. I include it in the shipping cost.

  100. ips_stuff says

    @MK – Keeping track of shipping on BHOF gold, understand your concern.

    I am dealing with this now. Some how I accidentally set up an auction as allowing international shipping. It was purchased by someone in Hong Kong. So far I have dealt with the following:
    1) Going to UPS and checking FedEx and USPS for the Buyer, he did not want USPS and then he did, since the others were to costly.
    2) Getting right label, custom document, taking pictures of actually handing it to the clerk at USPS office and picture of the post office
    3) Being accused of being a “stalker” when I accidentally took a picture of a “LADY” (notice in quotes – certainly no lady) in her car when she was backing out of the post office.
    4) Two emails from the buyer asking me to tell him why the tracking number is not showing any information, keep in mind that I mailed it on Tuesday the 27th at 5PM so it has only been 2-1/2 days, But he has emailed twice already.

    This is not my first international shipment, but I will not ship international again period.

  101. Yaz says

    Hey has anyone noticed the waitlist ship dates have moved into June for the gold HOF coins now. Maybe that’s why they stayed open for so long. A lot of canceled orders or mistaken orders…..

  102. Dustyroads says

    ips-stuff, Wow, hear ya.

    I just noticed over a usmint.gov that the Silver Proof Set is back ordered until 6-30. Could it be to the poor quality?

  103. Pittsburgh P says

    @Smiledon I agree with what you are sayin about the breast cancer coin. A broader type of coin that covers all types is much more appropriate. You chose the better ones to support but what do you have against Korean Immigrants? I also feel the park service coins are way overdone…

  104. says

    @Yaz, The Mint’s last excel spreadsheet showed a total of 60,893 Gold BHOF coins sold. It looks like orders placed between 1:05PM and 3:50PM on 03/27 are ‘in stock and reserved’. MOST orders placed after that time frame have been moved to 6/30. There still is going to be over 10,000 orders that are going to be unfilled. From the HIGHEST sales number of sales reported (61,284 on 04/06) there has only been 391 sales that have been cancelled. That is not a lot…

  105. bg35765 says

    Hello Circus Coinage friends!

    Help me make a decision. I would like to sell three of my gold BHOF coins graded by PCGS and keep the other three. (I have three kids, so that will make it easier for them to divvy up when I’m dead.)

    Here are my choices:

    2 MS70
    2 MS69
    1 PR70
    1 PR69

    Part of me wants to sell the 70s because they will bring more money that I can use for Kennedy gold. But I really think the MS70 First Strike will become a $2,000+ coin.

    So I could sell the 69s. What bothers me is that if I sell them as PCGS 69s I will get about $100 less each than cracking them out and selling them raw. Because of the shipping delays First Strike actually means something for these coins. Do you think the 69 First Strike will eventually surpass the raw price?

    What would you do?

  106. simon says

    bg : another option would be to sell all of them and repurchase at a later date for significantly less.

    Happy Birthday JFK ! Looking forward to the 50th Anniv. Kennedy Half offerings this year

  107. Samuel says

    bg35765,
    the potential future price increase for the 70s will offset you current loss on 69s. so sell the 69s.

  108. Dustyroads says

    bg35765, Personally, I don’t really like having 69’s in my collection if I have a choice. I would cut them loose. But if you can possibly keep them all, do it!

  109. Dave says

    @BG
    I agree with the opinion to hold them all. Reason? I may be wrong, but when all those cancellations are made, I think the price will go up even more! They made a lot of these, but the demand will be insatiable for years to come.
    That’s just my opinion, but then I got out of stocks over a year ago, so what do I know? Not much according to my wife!

  110. Smiledon says

    @ Pittsburg P
    Nothing against Korens. I do not support any commemorative coins that honor legislation is all. I felt that way with CRA coin. I feel the same way about the 13th Amendment coin. This is my opinion; nothing more, nothing less.

  111. dan says

    bg35765

    I will probably be in the minority here, but without knowing the parameters of the Kennedy offering, I think I might hold on to the BHOF a little longer even though they may drop a bit in the near future with coins finally being delivered.. If the Kennedy offering is not limited, then anyone that wants one will get one so a large mintage is possible which could hurt future secondary value ( if that concerns you) . The BHOF coins were a unique animal in that they seem to appeal to multiple disciplines of collecting, ie coin and sports collecting. Its a tough choice, if you are a ” true collector” that wants one of everything in your collection, than purchasing the Kennedy”s are a no brainer. As a collector who trys to look forward and is concerned about future values for my heirs, I think the BHOF might do better, especially the uncirculaied, since there are only 18,000 .

    If you are to sell, I would hold the 70’s, at least until you can watch the quality of the batch that is currently being released. If there was a problem in minting, it might be reflected in the quality in rushing to get the coins out.

    Just my opinions, now let the beatings begin.

    P.S. first strike means nothing to me, I collect coins not labels.

  112. Arizona Billy says

    With all this interest in Baseball coins, it would be nice to see a coin celebrating the “Little League”.

    I get great joy out of seeing the kids play ball…Use the profits to help disadvantaged kids play ball.

    Go Boston Red Sox!

  113. hw says

    Off Topic. APMEX has the 2014 2 oz Silver Tiffany Art – Baroque Dresden in stock. Cost is $430/$443.

  114. simon says

    dan : it is unlikely that the Kennedy will be a “limited” edition. He is a national and international figure of great esteem and prominence, and the USMInt representing our Nation will want to distribute this far and wide in quantity.

  115. dan says

    Simon

    I agree with you completely but you left out one other point, the revenue it will bring in.for the mint . The fact that I dont see it being limited either is why I suggested holding the BHOF over cashing them in for this offering.

  116. bg35765 says

    Thanks for the advice. I have never been a “70” guy, but in this case I might take the majority opinion and keep those.

    Like many of you I’m a combination collector/flipper. I’m hoping to make some money off of these, Kennedy’s, GSM 5 oz., and others to help me buy some coins for my collection that I couldn’t stomach paying for if the money was coming from my paychecks.

    I agree the gold Kennedy flip may be a dangerous one if it is mint-to-demand.

  117. Jon in CT says

    Arizona Billy wrote on May 30, 2014 at 12:46 PM:

    With all this interest in Baseball coins, it would be nice to see a coin celebrating the “Little League”.

    I get great joy out of seeing the kids play ball…Use the profits to help disadvantaged kids play ball.

    Why the Little League and not the Khoury League?

    Khoury League – Founded in St. Louis, MO in 1936.
    Little League – Founded in Williamsport, PA in 1939.

    Khoury League – Introduced organized softball leagues for girls in 1958.
    Little League – Girls banned without exception, from 1951 through 1974.

    Then there are the folks involved with the Babe Ruth Leagues, founded in 1951, who might also feel some resentment.

  118. Blair J Tobler says

    When they start televising those leagues’ championships, then maybe they can get a coin.

  119. GoldFishin says

    @Bk- sell the 69’s…it’s a no brainer. While you might wait for prices to adjust up to meet the OGP prices, they might adjust down across the board. I did the same with my Silver’s, sold all my 69’s. And contrary to what people tell you, I don’t think it right to crack out the coins and sell them as OGP, giving some unsuspecting buyer the hope that they might purchase a grade 70. JMHO

  120. Pittsburgh P says

    @goldfishin I personlly have and know people who have cracked 69s out of the slab and resubmitted them and received 70s back. Imho if someone sells a 69 in ogp that person who buys it has just as good a shot for a 70 than someone who got it strait from the mint. Moderns are graded in the eye of the beholder… Don’t trust a grade til you’ve seen it in person. Unless there are obvious flaws that are seen without a loop I don’t see an issue with it.

  121. Dave says

    Did you all add in the money to be made selling the OGP box & papers to the graded coin? Should be about a wash, eh?

  122. Jon in CT says

    Blair J Tobler wrote on May 30, 2014 at 4:29 PM:

    When they start televising those leagues’ championships, then maybe they can get a coin.

    By that measure, professional wrestling should have been honored with commemorative coins long ago. 😕

  123. Jerry Diekmann says

    Louis – regarding your experiences with EBay, we should all know that Ebay treats buyers and sellers equally – meaning poorly. I once caught a shill bidding for a seller and he kept raising the price to way beyond the FMV of the coin, and he eventually “won” the bid. Shortly thereafter I got a notice from EBay about a “second chance” bid = red flag. When I confronted the seller about what was going on, he blackballed me from further bidding on his websiite and he latter changed his EBay name. EBay did nothing to help me or to discipline this crook. Of course, I declined to pay the “second” chance” bid, which was just a couple of bucks lower than the “winning” bid. Most buyers and sellers on EBay are honest people, but every so often a dishonest one will try and con you out of $, and you should NEVER expect any help whatsoever from EBay. Their mission statement is to make money however they can – I’m not saying they are an immoral outfit, but I am saying they are definitely an amoral outfit. Be careful when dealing with Ebay- as a buyer or a seller – I have heard stories of both parties being burned. EBay is like a law firm – they really don’t care about the right or wrong of anything – they make money either way, and just like lawyers, if you see their lips moving, you know they’re lying. They have both earned their reputations.

  124. GoldFishin says

    @Pitt, @ Dave -yes, you make good points, all points I have considered, and I am not talking about questionable 69’s I am talking about obvious 69’s. I had two 69 silver proofs I sold that I thought should have been 70’s and was very surprised when they didn’t grade that way. Also, I thought the Early Release combined with the OGP deserved a better price than they were getting when I sold them. OGP was selling for about $40 more than a 69. But, in the end I couldn’t break them out. However, I did think about selling the OGP separately as many sellers were not offering the OGP for free. I ended up selling everything as a package and received a very good “buy it now” price that is now higher than the OGP is currently selling. So, I guess everyone came out ok.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *