Eisenhower Coin & Chronicles Set Goes on Sale August 11

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The 2015 Dwight D. Eisenhower Coin and Chronicles Set will go on sale this coming Tuesday, August 11, at noon ET. The set includes an Eisenhower Presidential Silver medal, a 1969 Eisenhower postage stamp, and a Presidential $1 Reverse Proof Coin that is only available as part of this set.

The coin’s obverse features a portrait of President Eisenhower with DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER, IN GOD WE TRUST, 34th PRESIDENT, and the years of his presidency, 1953-1961, inscribed along the edge of the coin. The reverse includes an image of the Statue of Liberty beside the coin’s $1 denomination. The words UNITED STATES OF AMERICA circle along the coin’s outer edge.

The 1 oz. Eisenhower Presidential Medal is struck in 99.9% fine silver and stretches 1.598 inches in diameter. Its obverse shows a rendering of the president in profile, with DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER circling along the edge of the design. The reverse shows a robed personification of Freedom standing atop the dome of the U.S. Capitol. To the right of the figure is a depiction of the Eastern U.S., with a farmer working the image’s foreground and big city buildings rising behind him in the distance. The left side of the design features pioneers driving a stagecoach into the American West.

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Both the coin and the medal were minted in Philadelphia. The set has a purchase limit of two orders per household, and an overall a mintage limit of 17,000.

The popular Presidential Coin & Chronicles sets are almost guaranteed to sell out. At present only the 2014 Franklin D. Roosevelt set can be purchased on the U.S. Mint’s website; as of August 4, it had sold 13,924 of its 20,000 mintage limit.

That set’s successor, the 2015 Harry Truman Coin & Chronicles Set , obliterated the mint’s sales forecast when it sold 16,780 units during its first fifteen minutes of availability. Earlier this week, the mint listed total sales of the set at 16,833—disconcertingly close to its 17,000 mintage limit for collectors hoping to obtain one. The product page for the set lists the Truman set as “currently unavailable,” adding only that “more may be available later.”

After Eisenhower, the John F. Kennedy Coin & Chronicles set is scheduled for release on September 16, and the Lyndon Johnson set will become available sometime in October.

Finally, a note on the 2015 John F. Kennedy Presidential $1 Coin & First Spouse Medal Set: the set sold 872 units last week, bringing its sales to a total of 17,489 as of Tuesday. The U.S. Mint is currently only accepting back orders for the item, with new inventory expected to become available on Wednesday, September 9.

For more information on Presidential $1 coins and sets, visit the U.S. Mint’s Web page.

Update: Possibly in reaction to the sales disparity between the FDR and Truman Coin & Chronicles sets, the U.S. Mint notes in a press release that “the bureau will re-evaluate the order limit (for the Eisenhower set) over the period this set is available for sale.”

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  1. KCSO says

    I really, really like the reverse on the medal.., is the statue from atop the Capitol? I’ll have to read up on that when time permits

  2. KCSO says

    Derek, previous thread, drive to Philly Bro, they have an awesome store there and had them all, medals too, a couple of months ago

  3. Brad says

    KCSO,

    Ditto on the medal reverse. Yes, that is the statue on top of the U.S. Capitol dome. I had never really paid much attention to the Presidential medals until these sets came out. They really are nice pieces, and knowing these silver versions are so limited makes them pretty appealing despite their lack of legal-tender value.

    This set will probably sell out as fast or faster than the Truman. While it will take at least 8,500 orders to do so, the competition for these will probably be greater than it was for the Truman, due to the extreme secondary market success. After all, these sets are already bringing $200+ as “pre-sales.” So, the lower household limit may not slow down the sales pace much, if at all. I hope the website performs as well as it did on June 30th!

    P.S. This is the best “post-Michael” MNB post yet. Of course, you can’t go wrong with this subject matter!

  4. Darek says

    KCSO – I called them last year and they told me they never had First Spouse gold coins for sale.

  5. KCSO says

    Thanks Brad, I’m a history buff so I’ll have to read about how that design came about.

    WRT to the 2014 C&C sets, I’m thinking about picking up those sets that I didn’t pick up

    Derek, you may want to call again and reconfirm. I was there earlier in the year after touring East State Penn and I swear they had everything to include those FS medal sets that some rave about.

  6. Barry says

    Am I missing something ? Will this dollar be a reverse proof ? The article doesn’t mention it.

  7. GoldFishin says

    first paragraph…quick take back your question before the resident trolls attack

  8. gary says

    I had to laugh when I read the “Update” at the bottom of this new thread:

    Update: Possibly in reaction to the sales disparity between the FDR and Truman Coin & Chronicles sets, the U.S. Mint notes in a press release that “the bureau will re-evaluate the order limit (for the Eisenhower set) over the period this set is available for sale.”

    Since the Ike offering will sell out in about 30 minutes, EVEN WITH A 2 SET Household Limit, the “bureau” will have nothing to “re-evaluate. What a pointless press release!

    I’m in for 2 to flip them.

  9. GoldFishin says

    @KCSO, et al- how many of these things are going to be in Chicago? I remember something you hinted out over a month ago that we may get a surprise come order time the 11th. Has there been any announcement of availability at other venues or will they be strictly online? I can’t remember if it has already been discussed.

  10. Tinto says

    I’m in for the HH limit of 2 to keep my RP collection current … the reverse of the silver medal is really nice.

  11. Ends in Error says

    @TMMSRO127

    10 minute sell out?

    Don’t be so silly. Most geezers ordering this stuff move like tortoises.

    Look for at least a 14 minute sell-out.

    😉

  12. KCSO says

    GF- 0; ahhh, I was probably just spout’n off like I do from time to time.., just like my rhetoric regarding the HR and 30,000 sold in 75 minutes being preposterous.., what do I know? Hehe 😉

  13. drjoe says

    Interesting to note that the farmer plowing the field is the same likeness found in the Kansas state flag of which Ike is claimed to be from even thou he was born in Denison Tx. The flag also has covered wagons heading west alas no stage coaches so guess something else inspired that likeness. I had to color enough of those flags every January 29th in elementary school to ever forget those fun facts. Overall a great looking medal but one that’s going to be hard to snag I fear.
    I rarely comment here but always check in and will say that I really appreciate that lessons learned here.. I really miss Micheal. Appreciate the Crispers analytics approach to a field where so much psychology is involved. Even worry when the Ritter-writer hasn’t been heard from because he is part of this truly great dysfunctional family that I check in with every evening much to my wife’s chagrin. Don’t any of you change. Except the moderators-you guys need to step it up. Please

  14. GoldFishin says

    @KCSO- ok, yea, what was I thinking? duh

    @DocJoe- yea, we all like the “crispers” around here too, we are glad he stays so bored that he decides to hang out here… 😉

  15. mark says

    HSN guy will be on at 3am EST. Selling the gold liberty SP70 Anacs first day issue, numbered to 179…. $2500.00

  16. GoldFishin says

    @mark- did you do a thorough inspection of the large lots being offered of the HR coin? pics often tell an interesting story

  17. mark says

    @Goldfishin…no I did not..but do want to watch the show. It is great entertainment. Also NGC now says we can submit the Ike RP and medal in just the capsules. Why did they not do that with the Trumam?

  18. GoldFishin says

    @Louis- good luck with your submission to NGC. I am glad you two decided to make up and play nice!

  19. GoldFishin says

    @Mark- when I talked to a NGC CSR, they were updating the website for Truman submissions as we were talking, she told me that I didn’t have to send the OGP in, the first website info didn’t say anything about it, even though they later changed the website and said you did. You didn’t have send in the OGP if you only sent in the RP’s. It makes sense to me to not have to send in the packaging. I’m glad they changed it.

  20. mark says

    RP and medal can be sent in only in capsules. Quote ngc …please do not send in packaging or stamp.

  21. GoldFishin says

    @KCSO- Received my two packages today of the HR coins. I am going to wait until tomorrow to open them. You know I get nervous and have to think about it for at least 24 hrs. If they are great, I won’t be able to sleep, and if they are terrible, I won’t be able to sleep. I have stuff to do tomorrow and can’t take the chance either way.
    After I open them, if all I want to talk about is next years classic gold reboots, you will know what happened. 🙂

  22. Louis says

    Thanks, GF. Separation anxiety for sure plus I couldn’t give KSCO the opportunity to do a victory dance!!

  23. KCSO says

    GF- good luck with the unveiling, hope they’re both stunners.

    Louis, now, now.., let’s be fair, I’m just pacing myself to my own plan, & it appears to be falling into place.., why pay more for bullion over spot when you don’t have too? 😉

  24. GoldFishin says

    Joe, I’ll give you a report when I open them. I have 2 in one box, and a single in the other. I may get to them tomorrow evening sometime, latest Sunday. If they are good, they will be on the way to NGC Monday morning. or 🙁 , on the way to Memphis. I just want one keeper and I will be happy!

  25. Jerry Diekmann says

    KCSO – The Statue of Freedom was also portrayed on the obverse of the 1989 Congress commemorative silver dollar.

  26. cagcrisp says

    Let me tell you someone that is Probably not sleeping well. There is One bay Seller that has had 6 separate Listings for Reserved auctions for the high relief Liberty. 6. And then Today he has a New listing for a BIN that has undercut Each of the Reserved auctions. This seller has a feedback score of less than 700 so not a big player. And…

    The BIN is for $1,621.99… Not a lot of margin there…

  27. Louis says

    KSCO- I’m just messing with you. But if it’s bullion you want I had a chance to buy under spot this week and did not take it because I think it’s risky.

  28. cagcrisp says

    As of 08/08/15 on the bay offerings for the “2015 high relief Liberty”

    ALL BIN’s 136 +5
    Auction 69’s 6 +0
    Auction 70’s 61 +4
    Reserve Auction with high opening price 12 -2
    True OGP Auction 4 +0
    Total offering for “2015 high relief Liberty” 219 +7

  29. cagcrisp says

    Question for Everyone.

    You Got 5 Truman coin and chronicles. What did you do with the 5?

    Assuming you get 2 Eisenhower, What are you going to do with the 2?

    What I want to know is did you keep some of the Truman and Plan on Selling some in the future and IF you don’t get as many Eisenhowers how will that change your plans?

  30. mark says

    Donald Trump said Megan Kelly had blood coming out of eyes..blood coming out of her whatever… oh boy.

  31. Mark says

    Could someone tell me why the U.S Mint sales report never shows the 2014 Elanor Roosevelt gold spouse sales numbers?

  32. JagFan says

    I still have my 5 Truman Sets and plan on getting the two Ike’s.

    Long term goal is two sets of each (1 for my proof prez collection and the other in OGP to keep that set going forward as well).

    Plus a graded medal of each especially since only about 15% of these are a 70.

    With so many of these sets are being sent off to be graded, OGP will be hard to come by down the road.

  33. thePhelps says

    CC I actually on purchased 4 of the sets. I sold 2 and kept 2. I will hold until I have the entire series and perhaps sell the series and keep a set for my collection.

  34. Ikaika says

    A bullion might turn out to be. MS70’s going for $1700’s on that auction site. Its the JFK Déjà vu.

  35. KCSO says

    Louis, yep, it’s billion I’m after.., like that HR bullion coin, …that’s the one! 😉

    Jerry, thanks, that’s a good looking coin!

    Cag, interesting question you pose. I did a search for the TR C&C set on the bay, found one – a BIN for $115. I’m beginning to think a full set could have substantial potential.

  36. Joe #2 says

    Does the chronicle set(s) Truman , Ike, etc…. take up a lot of room if you want to store it in a small metal box? thanks in advance

  37. KCSO says

    Ikaika, it’s been my casual observation that over time, BINs migrate to auctions, not always the case, a lot of times…

  38. says

    After all the ordering anxieties go away, and after the decisions are made to keep and maybe grade the coin, and after the buyers are done oogling over it: The next step is to relegate the gold HR to the safe deposit box where it will join the other pricey Mint products–to remain out of sight and out of mind.
    Now nothing remains except to await the 2016 gold offerings so this process can be repeated.

  39. Billy the kid says

    I have a whole sheet of Eisenhower stamps that are errors ( “die cut” errors ).

    Perhaps it’s time to sell some stamps…

    I like Ike too.

    The Kid

  40. a Bob says

    The medals from the C&C sets make a nice collection. The mint must be paying more attention to quality now…. 70s really?
    I like the FDR antiqued bronze as well.

  41. says

    I tried repeating, with a slight revision, my comment that got the “awaiting moderation”. . Guess what: The revised comment also got it. I’m done. Goodbye.

  42. Larry says

    Watched HSN guy last night. He is getting his facts a little better, maybe he reads this blog. He is finally admitting the MOD RP dime is not the rarest RP, the 2006 gold eagle is. But he keeps saying the MOD dimes are the rarest proof Roosevelt dimes. They are not, the 1950 and 1951 are.
    They had the American Liberty HR in ANACS SP70 for $2499. The HSN guy says he believes the mint will change the gold eagles to this design in 2016 as it is the 30th anniversary of the gold eagle. Any thoughts if this would affect the 2015 HR’s future value?

  43. Tinto says

    @cagcrisp

    I also got 5 Truman C&C sets … recently sent 2 (RP $ and the silver medal) to PCGS to be graded, I will probably keep at least one in OGP for my Prez $ C&C collection (I have the TR and FDR) and maybe another in PCGS for my RP collection. If I am not able to snag the 2 Ikes from the Mint, I might just have to buy one in OGP from Ebay/dealer for the C&C collection and make my RP collection a type set since I already have one RP $.

  44. cagcrisp says

    @Tinto, Thanks. I was wondering IF someone from the blog would actually pay some of the prices on the bay. I Know a Lot Sell on the bay. I really didn’t know if many would buy from the bay. I know you are Not saying what price you would pay but I’ve got an idea about what the price point for the Eisenhower would be…

  45. cagcrisp says

    @Hawkster, IF it’s any consolation, my posts the other night went into a black hole to never see the light of day. I guess it’s a good thing to know how the “new” blog is done. Before if I had anything go to “awaiting moderation” someone at some point would look at it and allow it to go through. Now, it appears that “awaiting moderation” has no awaiting, it just does Not post…

  46. KCSO says

    Joe, surprisingly not, fits perfect in one of those plastic MTM 50 cal ammo boxes, so it’ll stack well of something of similar dimensions

  47. Ikaika says

    Received my HR coin. My first impression is that it is definitely not a “wow” coin like the UHRDE. I like the obverse, but no so much the reverse. Surfaces are cleaner than most of you guys have been reporting. No scratches visible at the naked eye, but there are some hazing on the lower portion of the reverse giving it a burnished like look in some areas. Does it qualify for a HR Burnished label? No rim damage either.

    IMHO, is it worth the premium? Not. The 2015 PF gold buffalo would have been a better choice.

  48. VA Bob says

    For those collecting the President C & C sets don’t forget a “complete” set also includes the Lincoln, TR, and FDR sets. Easy to forget when some were a few years ago. Now if your looking for just the RP subsets, that’s another matter. The TR set I believe has the lowest number of sets. It was pretty nice too. Lincoln was a sellout at 50K. Had these recent sets not had RP’s plus an extra dash of hype, their numbers would be lower too. Wonder how many flippers are going to get caught with a load of JFK’s (you’d think a Kennedy own the Mint with the number of products they produce with his image).

    Ike medal is nice. I’d like to get my hands on the 3″ bronze, which is probably much more scarce than this silver will be.

  49. Joe #2 says

    Well lkaika, Sorry to hear that. I guess on this particular one you need a to pass muster.. We’ll see.

  50. gary says

    @Cagcrisp… In answer to your question early today:
    Truman, bought 5, flipped 5
    Eisenhower, will buy 2, hope to flip 2.

  51. Gary Not Dave says

    I flipped the Truman but will be holding onto the Eisenhower. Also, I do like this Medal Reverse.

  52. A different Jeff says

    It has been mentioned that a complete pres C&C collection should include the 2009 Lincoln. I will point out the although a presidential issue, it is not an pres dollar, but the Lincoln commem. So a bit of a stretch.

    As long as we’re stretching, how about including the short-lived Historical Signature Sets from 2008. These were over-priced single coin regular proofs of the 2007 and 2008 dollars and because of that interest was very limited. None of the 2008 dollars sold more than 4,000. So here it is a case of the packaging more than the coin, but if you want the OGP, then this is a chance to put together an interesting collection of the pres dollar coins.

  53. Mark Rex says

    Does anyone know if you can use a NetSpend or GreenDot prepaid card to order this set? The cards are registered to a billing address. I want my sister to order 2 sets for me because I collect for myself and 2 kids so 2 isn’t enough and this is the cards she has.

  54. Mint News Blog says

    @ Hawkster: Sorry about this. I’m not sure why it’s flagging some of the comments (and failing to notify me). I’ll look into adjusting the settings. — Dan

  55. Mister Kairu says

    I bought 10 sets of the Trumans, sold all but one (wanted to hold onto a couple for later but couldn’t due to unforeseen circumstances). My goal is to buy 2 sets, flip one to pay for the other. Need them for my collection. Am thinking about the prior sets also but we will see

  56. says

    The Treasury Department is looking for input about which woman should be featured on the re-designed $10 note.
    https://thenew10.treasury.gov/

    I nominate Nellie Tayloe Ross, who was the first female state governor in the US and later served as Director of the US Mint for 20 years. Google her, and then vote for her.

  57. jeff says

    D Rottenhouse it does not matter what you or I vote on those in charge will decide not the general public its a bone there throwing out to make it look legit. As for me I’m buying Monday flip when in hand.

  58. Dave SW FL says

    Ike – I will keep both
    Harry – bought 5 sold 3 at progressively higher prices ($189 – 219)
    FDR – STILL NEED A COUPLE
    Teddy – kept all 3 – think it is the best so far
    Abe – thought price was outlandish (oops) now will have to pony up for a couple 🙁
    will buy 2 of each of the last offerings

    My brother will really like Christmas this year!

  59. Joe #2 says

    Shouldn’t happen with pure gold to begin with. I guess we’ll see how the new p c g s holders will do.

  60. A different Jeff says

    I’m going to be a bit pedantic:

    “That set’s successor, the 2015 Harry Truman Coin & Chronicles Set , obliterated the mint’s sales forecast when it sold 16,780 units during its first fifteen minutes of availability.”

    ‘That’ is referring to the Ike set and IT is the successor to the Truman set. The Truman set is the predecessor to the Ike set

    Didn’t notice earlier as I have been jumping directly to the comments lately..

  61. says

    A different Jeff said:
    I’m going to be a bit pedantic:
    “That set’s successor, the 2015 Harry Truman Coin & Chronicles Set , obliterated the mint’s sales forecast when it sold 16,780 units during its first fifteen minutes of availability.”
    ‘That’ is referring to the Ike set and IT is the successor to the Truman set. The Truman set is the predecessor to the Ike set …

    No, “That set” is a reference to the previous sentence, referring to the FR9 FDR Coin & Chronicles Set, which is still limping along and available for purchase.
    http://catalog.usmint.gov/FR9.html

  62. Mike in NY says

    Still have my unopened box of 5 Truman C&C sets and will be buying 2 Ike C&C sets on Tuesday. Wish I could get 3 more to match the Trumans but I won’t pay the high secondary market prices.

  63. Mark Rex says

    I bought an e-gift certificate from the Mint to ensure I don’t have an issue on the 11th. The desc says its delivered via email. I got the Order Acknowledgment email at 11p EST. has anyone ever bought one of these and typically how long does it take to get? If you have multiple gift cards and the balance remaining on one doesn’t cover the order cost can you only use more than one per order? I asked the Mint earlier via chat and a call and got 1 yes and 1 no. Thanks for your help.

  64. A different Jeff says

    @ D Rittenhouse –
    You are correct. I misread, thinking the reference was to the story’s subject, not the FDR set. Since it was talking about the popular sets, I subconsciously overlooked any reference to the FDR set, as I can’t consider it a popular item. Mea culpa.
    That said, the FDR set may become more popular with the advent of the RP sets. Since the Truman set came out, 831 FDR sets have sold. That is 2 more than the prior 11 weeks, still about 1200 behind the TR set’s final sales. at the rate of the last 6 weeks. If that trend continues, it will be 9 weeks before the FDR set eclipses the TR set; based on when the mint declared a sellout off the TR set, we may see the FDR set as the lowest population in the series. It is always difficult to predict when the mint declares a sellout: this year’s Homestead ‘S’ quarter rolls are sold out, yet the 2014 Shenandoah ‘S’ quarters still are available months after previous issues went off sale.

  65. Zaz says

    Mint gift cards: You can only apply one gift card per order. Email with unique 16-character code takes 24-48 hours after order is placed to be sent to the purchaser.

  66. Hidalgo says

    I saw in-hand photos of the 2015 high relief Liberty gold coin. Very, very nice. However, I still stand firm that I will not buy it. $1,500 is an awful lot of money for a single coin. I would much rather buy the next 10 2015 America the Beautiful 5 ounce silver coins from the US Mint (at $150 each).

    To each, his own. 🙂

  67. thePhelps says

    Hidalgo… I agree the coin is nice – but in no way worth the money the mint is wanting. It seems many here comment on the reverse being stunning – and a few comment they like the obverse – but generally it seems most bought the coin for 1 side or the other. That seems to be inline with purchases from the RCM or Perth mints… most buy those coins and like 1 side of the coin. I had little interest in the coin personally – since the reverse was the only part that I found interesting. I also would rather add to my ATB collection and actually did go back and buy the 1st 5 in the series for much less than this gold piece.

  68. gary says

    @Hidalgo & thePhelps… I also stayed away from the HR gold. First, I did not have the money and Second, it is 1/2 of a coin to me (very nice reverse). I only collect the ATB “P” mint 5 oz. silver in OGP and yes Hidalgo, $1500 will buy for me almost two years of the ATB’s assuming a $150 price point.
    Many of the previous years’ issues can be obtained in OGP for way less than original Mint issue price on Ebay. If I were to buy slabbed ones (but I don’t) I would definitely build my set only with nice MS69 coins since they are a great deal and you get more coins and less plastic in overspending for MS70 labels.

  69. cagcrisp says

    As of 08/09/15 on the bay offerings for the “2015 high relief Liberty”

    ALL BIN’s 128 -8
    Auction 69’s 7 +1
    Auction 70’s 60 -1
    Reserve Auction with high opening price 12 +0
    True OGP Auction 5 +1
    Total offering for “2015 high relief Liberty” 212 -7

  70. ClevelandRocks says

    “HSN guy says he believes the mint will change the gold eagles to this design in 2016 as it is the 30th anniversary of the gold eagle. Any thoughts if this would affect the 2015 HR’s future value?”

    Sad that the PC Circus Mint would consider changing to a gender-racially neutral Stiff on the Eagle (also sad the PCers are mandating a woman on the $10 bill ). IMHO any pre-PC Eagle will increase in value, and new PC Eagles will lose interest for collecting much like the like RCM ugly obverse coins (numismatic) are not popular. Bullion will still be bullion, no no one will care.

    Highly doubt the TV guy has any real information.

    Tuesday should be interesting.

  71. says

    CR,
    I have no idea where the HSN guy is getting the information that the 2016 HR design will be used on the American Gold Eagle series beginning with next year. Perhaps it is simply a one man campaign on his part.
    What would make for a nice AGE is to continue with the same obverse, while changing the reverse’s eagle to the design used on the gold Marshals coin.

  72. says

    Why I love the Presidential Reverse Proof in the C&C set –

    Flip of $219 – 9% fees – $2.85 shipping = $196.44

    $196.44 – $57.95 for set = $138.49

    Anticipated cost of the gold ’16 Winged Liberty of $165 – $138.49 = $26.51 My out of pocket expense for what will be one damn hot coin.., all for $26.51! 🙂

  73. says

    Lord help me, I’m sure I’ll catch all sorts of Hell from a few of you all for this…

    DR – Yes, float that tutorial out here please, I’d be interested to read up on that

    See.., KCSO can evolve.. 😉

  74. cagcrisp says

    @Hawkster, ” Perhaps it is simply a one man campaign on his part.”

    You can make it a Two man campaign. I would LOVE to see the high relief Liberty obverse and reverse used on the 2016 ASE. IF not the 2016 ASE, use it on the 2016 AGE. But my preference would be the ASE…

  75. hw says

    O/T. Ian at Great Collection (GC) is auctioning off a 2009 Ultra High Relief $20 Gold NGC MS-70 PL. Current bid is $3,022. Auction ends at around 7:00 pm Pacific Time. Interesting to see if the bidding will reach the NGC price guides amount.

  76. Joe #2 says

    Call me crazy, But if the pcgs or ngc graded 70/s come in the way it should, I prefer this 2015 Lib. over the 2009 u h r… Like i said earlier, The U H R’S have there issues…. They didn’t make this coin to compare with the 2009 one, from what i have read. They want this one to be “by itself”. Different strokes…

  77. VA Bob says

    Cagcrisp – To answer your earlier question, I bought two Truman sets, would have bought one if the quality could be assured. Both will stay OGP, no desire to sell at inflated prices to those that missed out, I do my part for fellow collectors (and apparently speculators) by taking only what I need for my collection. Just not in my nature to gouge, that’s fine for others that have no issues with it though. Will (try) buy two of the Ikes’ for the same reason. Only bought 1 Lincoln set because that was the HH limit. Bought one TR, but the set was nice quality. Also bought 2 FDR’s.

  78. cagcrisp says

    @Joe #2, I Too prefer the 2015 high relief Liberty to the 2009 ultra high relief. I’ve been called a Lot worse than Crazy…

  79. Joe #2 says

    I’m not into the chronicle sets, But, Ike might be the “quicker picker upper”. Sounds like a commercial…lol.. Anyway, I might pick up 2 for the halibut…

  80. GoldFishin says

    @cagcrisp, joe#2- I am trying to send a message about my coins but is will not go through. I am going to try and break it down into pieces to see if that helps.

  81. GoldFishin says

    @cagcrisp, joe#2- I just opened my 3 HR’s and to put it bluntly…they are the worst quality coins I have ever received from the coin company, period.

  82. GoldFishin says

    I have all the polish marks on both sides that everyone has talked about, they are not terrible but they catch the light, just like in the sal’s vid. I would have kept at least one if that was the only thing.

  83. GoldFishin says

    BUT, that is not the bad part. I literally have the worst rim damage that I have ever seen on a coin. But all three of them have it from two separate boxes. Most of it is contained to between the letters TED STAT on the reverse. It looks like somebody took a soldering iron to it and tried to make the rim look like a gold nugget. That is the only way I can describe it. It is so bad that part of the coins edging on that side is missing also. My hands are still shaking I am so upset. Not even ONE of them is worth keeping even as bullion. These should have never ever in a million years left the mint. I think they would grade about a MS63 if they were submitted for grading. If I had time I would take pictures of them and post them just to shame the USM for its non existent quality control.

  84. GoldFishin says

    Now, I have to spend money to insure them just to send them back. Just disgraceful!!

    Other than that, the design is nice and I love the thickness of the coin. Too bad I won’t be owning one.

  85. GoldFishin says

    It seems that a reference to the video from Sal was blocking the message. And reference’s to the coin issuer.

  86. Joe #2 says

    Unreal…. You call the mint, explain the situation and let them e-mail you the sticker to ship them back where it doesn’t cost you a penny. I guess pcgs and ngc will have to grade the 70/s with a fine toothed comb…. Oh boy, Unreal.. Sorry to hear it man.

  87. Zaz says

    I smell a rat with this HR release. So many seconds with the one-off orders from the collecting community. 36K orders in the first hour. Is the Mint in collusion with the big boys? Could 30K of those first hour orders have been prescreened presales and precisely on the 12:00 hour on the 30th, millions were bank transferred to the US Mint and the truck backed up to the loading dock in Memphis? It’s too much of coincidence that so many people are reporting the same kind of problems on their coins. Something is not right with this release.

  88. Joe #2 says

    I’m just curious to know if these are so horrific, How can pcgs or ngc and the others that grade it a 69 or the max of 70, How they will find perfect 70 coins???? Now a 70 is to be perfect. If it isn’t , Then what???????????????????????????????????????… Should be interesting to see peoples 69/70/s arrive

  89. GoldFishin says

    @Zaz- I just think I got unlucky, and the mint doesn’t cull anthing, they just send out whatever comes out of the press. A $1500 coin should never look like these.

  90. GoldFishin says

    @Joe#2- polish lines will not affect the grade of the coin, unless they are so harsh they take away from eye appeal. Mine were acceptable, but very visible, and covered the entire surface fields on both sides.
    The rim damage is inexcusable, but I haven’t heard a lot of reports of rim damage like I had. Don’t worry, I just got unlucky. My Truman’s were excellent and I came out better than most did. Sometime you get nice coins, and sometimes you don’t.

  91. GoldFishin says

    @Joe#2- yes, all the comments indicate the same area as my rim damage, I don’t how you produce so many coins and not catch something so obvious. Clearly, nobody is being held to account for this.

  92. Zaz says

    @GoldFishin: so many pekoe got the same kind of rim dings and die polish marks? You are being too generous to the Mint, of three coins in two separate shipments, not one was perfect to the naked eye? Come on now, even I wasn’t born yesterday.

    This coin generated the perfect firestorm for a handful of big guys to corner the market: a high value item that could bought in bulk, a limited preannounced mintage that allowed for such preplanning. (i.e. an open order window for the RP Buffalo didn’t generate such massive bulk sales because no one knew what the final numbers were.) Sorry, but this release had all of the hallmarks of the big guys all over it. A household limit of 50? For whom? Really? The UHR HH limit was 1. The Mint wasn’t taking any chances with having a bust on their hands especially on the first day and after all of the hype they self-promoted on this coin. Guess they “knew” what they were talking about. From this side it just looked like dirty business that was not going to be transparent to Joe Q. Public.

  93. GoldFishin says

    @ Joe#2- My worst one was like “Don W” said. It started at the E in UNITED and ran all the way through STATES and OF. Worst rim damage I have ever seen.

    Have a Nice Day…..Cheers!

  94. jeff says

    GoldFishin says

    You knew in the back of your mind that what you bought for $4000 would be worthless bullion. Sorry to here what you experienced was so traumatic. I have said it from the beginning somethings not right, Many collectors are receiving the TAILINGS . However there is a bright spot the U.S. Mint thanks you for your continued support they will continue to produce sub-par quality coinage for you to buy. Really they could care less about your experience they have their clientele and we are not one of them..ENJOY

  95. Tinto says

    @Zaz

    I too thought the Mint rushed this HR thing and some folks have mentioned that already. I think the Mint just wanted to this out the door and out of their hair ASAP. I wonder what happened … just the fact that they had this absurd HH limit of 50 made me wonder why, if the coin was so beautiful and great and perhaps the start of something new, couldn’t the Mint have had a more reasonable HH limit of say even 10 and give more folks who wanted it a better chance? But of course if there had been an almost immediate sell out it could have created an aura of say, greatness and desirability (hey I can’t find the right words here) with perhaps lasting effect.

    And since this is only an HR and not a UHR could the minting process for it (HR) be a little less demanding/exacting? Would be nice to find that out.

  96. GoldFishin says

    @Zaz- I am not naive…I understand what goes on, it always has, it is part of the game. I am upset enough already, just trying to take it in stride.
    What if I told you that I knew that some dealers already had ANA HR labeled coins graded even before the ANA show? I know what goes on, believe me.

  97. Zaz says

    @Tinto:

    Yup for $1,500 per coin, the QC needed to be spot on. I think they rushed it out the door in WP to appease the big buyers and everyone else got the ding-y scratch-y leftovers because of the way they hyped it, every last coin needed to be accounted for as sold, even those that might have been culled in an ordinary program had to go. As a first coin in a new size, thickness and process, it needed LONGER gestation time not shorter, but because the buyers were dangling boo-koo bucks this part of the process got shortened. Sad for the mint to pandering to a few. But all of you that bought and got seconds on a $1,490 coin should be hopping mad. From the get go I had a bad feeling about this release and the surprising first hour numbers. 12K orders for 36K coins was just fishy and smelled bad.

  98. Zaz says

    @goldfishin: I am just so sorry about your coins, really. I am really mad over what happened to you. I know you know how the game is played and not naive, but the Mint really burned their most loyal customers this time. You of all people, should have gotten the best hand picked coins, believe me. It’s upsetting when they won’t acknowledge their “best business practices” yet anyone with a modicum of analytical skill can see what went down that day just based on the numbers. Sorry, bud, it sucks.

  99. GoldFishin says

    @Cagcrisp- I really liked the design and a nice chunk of gold. The obverse was much better than any photos have been able to portray. I will keep an eye out for a deal down the road, or may try again with the second batch. I think I will talk to a head honcho at the Mint’s CSD for sure and express my incredulity with what happened. See what happens there. 🙂

  100. jeff says

    In one ear out the other save your breath. Buy from Ebay its becoming less hassle and your voice means something as opposed to the U.S. Mint who is not listening, they don’t get it. More accountability from Ebay than the U.S. Mint sad but true. You want the best go to the bay may pay more but you get what you want no hassle.

  101. GoldFishin says

    Thanks Zaz..

    Sad to say, but maybe good advice Jeff. I have my spending limits, but if I can get what I want for my price, I will.

  102. KCSO says

    Sorry to hear GF.., know that’s very, very frustrating.

    On the upside, they’ll be far more bigger fish to come within the next twelve months.., fish that cost less and with far more potential.

    Unless one really is enamoured by the design.., perhaps it’s best to let this dog lay.

  103. GoldFishin says

    @KCSO- Nice coin, poor execution. Heard that somewhere before, maybe Louis. Anyway, I think of our brother Dustyroads and the things he is going through now and I quickly get back to center and realize that my lousy luck really doesn’t mean anything in the big scheme of things.
    Looking forward to Tuesday, hoping there is something left for us peons to scrap over. I hope Cag is ready with his analytical skills, we may need him to see how many sets we got shorted. 😉

  104. cagcrisp says

    IF there is not a Negative print number w/w you will have to question the Mint’s statement “The following sales information represents a cumulative total of net sales demand reported from the launch of each product through the report date.”

    With all the coins being returned and orders cancelled, I sure don’t see a Positive number and a Negative number sure looks Bad…

  105. cagcrisp says

    @GoldFishin, I’m looking for a Lot of Unhappy people on Tuesday. I see a Major League 12-6 curve on Tuesday…

  106. VA Bob says

    Turn them back in no one should put up with a substandard coin, and maybe we can all hope the Mint will not opt to produce the total mintage.

  107. VA Bob says

    Cagcrisp – Finger exercises indeed. Not to mention I work is a secure area (no cell phones no internet) so I’m going to have to watch the clock as well.

  108. Ralph says

    Was thinking of picking up a HR coin until I just read the recent post’s.
    Hey Mint, are you listening???
    PASS!!!

  109. fmtransmitter says

    It will be called a die clash and new labels will give it its provenance and GF will be happy again…

  110. KCSO says

    So True GF.., & very well said!

    At the end of the day, the most that matters is family, friends, & health.

    Oh.., & that I get my Ike on Tuesday – just kidding.

    Hang in there Dusty, better days ahead. Many very good hardworking folks like yourself upon hard times in Texas now, do appreciate your efforts!

  111. GoldFishin says

    @DR- they arrived 8-7. Both labels were created 7-30. One by Smartpost. One by USPS. The Smartpost actually shipped 3 days earlier although the labels were created the same day.

    @FM- Yes, I looked at that photo earlier, and yes it is the same area on my coins, BUT my damage is far worse and also I have damage at 3 o’clock and 5 o’clock on one of them. There are also rim dings in various places. Other than that, they are fantazik…..
    IF you find or see anything designated as a die clash, lmk, it just looks like junk to me.

  112. Joe #2 says

    Seems like looking at quite a bit of these HR pieces, It seems to be the luck of the draw. I see a nice one on ebay going right now with a little over 2 hours to go for over $1700 + dollars graded ngc 70

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/391217340143

    I don’t see anything major according to my eyes…

  113. says

    Fm,
    Yeah, I don’t really think GoldFishin had his sights on getting an error coin(s) at the price level the HR is from the Mint. Getting his HR coins in flawless or near flawless condition is what he and his fellow buyers should expect.
    I’m just hoping that GF’s heart rate has gone down since opening the boxes and setting his eyes on the badly flawed specimens. Now he has to go through the added aggravation of returning the coins. Sometimes it makes you ask: Is it worth all this?

  114. GoldFishin says

    @Joe#2- First of all that is probably not the coin the seller has, he probably just copied that from somewhere else. His coins are surely at NGC right now. Secondly, that coin also has rim damage in the same area on the reverse. You can see it starting at about the I in United and continuing to just short of the O in of. All that sparkling and non-uniformity you see is rim damage. Mine are worse than that, but that one has it as well. It is obviously a wide spread phenomena. CTRL C and zoom in on it and you can see it.

  115. Mike in NY says

    I have one HR on backorder with a estimated ship date of 10/1 although I suspect it will ship much sooner. Given all the problems with polish marks and rim gouges I’m almost inclined to cancel the order. Not to mention the possibility of getting someone else’s return. I guess I’m just hoping I will get something newly minted and that the quality will be much better than the initial batch.

  116. KCSO says

    A lot of upward movement on the Truman today.., clearly established in the $220+ zone for a new baseline

  117. Zaz says

    GF/KCSO — that SP69 at first looks like rim clatter, probably insufficient force to fully strike up the rim or most likely short one strike of a multiple strike to fully articulate the design all the way to the design’s rim. I’d need to see one in hand but I’m virtually certain that’s what it is. Probably that entire batch needed to be condemned and returned to the smelter. I bet that area is irregular and lower than the adjacent rims that are fully struck. Odd that it should pass muster, ran out of time to make perfect coins? Would have been better to run tests all summer and sell this in Dec. or next year…IMHO.

  118. GoldFishin says

    @Zaz- There are graded coins with live pics all over Ebay, they all have it either in the area of UNITED STATES OF or at about 3 o’clock to 5 o’clock. Some are really bad like mine, or the best examples just have a little bit of irregularity at the coins edge. What you are describing is how they look, the irregular area is not level with the rest of the rim, but it is also so gnarled looking, as I described before like you took a soldering iron to it and heated it. I guess it could be metal flow from the force of the striking, just never seen anything like it before. IT’s ugly!
    I am going to call and talk to NGC tomorrow before I send them back. Surely they will be able to tell me what I am looking at and how widespread it is. It looks like most of them have it at least a little bit.

  119. GoldFishin says

    @Joe#2- I think the one I was talking about was NGC. I have done business with the seller that has most of the auctioned PCGS coins and he is a very good seller with good customer service. His photos of the reverse are a little fuzzy and I can’t really make them out all that well. I see some things, but would rather not comment on them because of the lighting. Overall, the PCGS 70 coins I see seem to be of good quality with very little rim damage. This is obviously a production issue of some sort and although it is detracting, may not take away from the grade unless it is ugly like mine are.

  120. Joe #2 says

    Unreal man. Especially when you are paying $1,000 + P-R-E-M-I-U-M, The dang thing should be perfect… If it isn’t perfect 100%, What does ms-70 mean??? I guess in this case it means “normality” in the coin…

  121. Zaz says

    Very distracting for sure. I wonder if the press operator even noticed the reverse anvil die wasn’t striking up the design properly? Die could have also been slightly cocked upwards at 4-5 o’clock position leading to the incomplete rim on the opposite side. In any case these should have been rejected en masse as poor quality, alas. Substandard quality.

  122. KCSO says

    Wow.., that rim damage is bad.., & that’s worthy of a grade of 69?!

    That thing for $1,490 should have never left the mint.

  123. GoldFishin says

    I really like the coin, however. I just looked them all over once again. There is one that had the lightest rim damage and I thought I might be able to keep it, but alas it had die grease sprinkled throughout the word Liberty on the Obverse. I think I will try to get one out of the latest backordered batch and I don’t want it graded anymore. I think I really like holding that thick chunk of gold in the capsule. The worst one I had for damage has a little luster effect that picks up the light and casts a rainbow through the word Liberty. I wish that one was clean, the other two didn’t have that effect.
    If I could be assured I wouldn’t get a return, I would get another one. I really like it and can see why other people do that have seen them in hand.

  124. Joe #2 says

    GF, When i get mine in, I’ll let you know what i think. It’s pcgs ms-70 with pcgs sig. of Miles Standish ( pcgs v.p. )..

  125. GoldFishin says

    @Joe- I think you will get a good coin, one you will be happy with. LMK

    @KCSO- look again at the MS69 pic I linked to. Zoom in and check out the obverse. It also has that rainbow effect through the word LIBERTY on the obverse. You can really see it in the RTY. I wonder if the imbalance from the poor striking, or whatvever it is, helps to create that. I haven’t seen it in any other HR photos. But my coin which is almost an exact copy(even has the rim damage at 4 o’clock) of that one has it. It reminds me of the cartwheel effect you get on lustrous walking liberties, but with the bonus of a nice rainbow.

  126. ClevelandRocks says

    Read about Alexander Hamilton and tell me an American of the required female gender that deserves to be on the $10 bill more than he.

  127. GoldFishin says

    @Joe- Outside of this guy being delusional thinking he is going to make enough to pay for 1 or 2 coins? Well, I have it on my big screen so I am able to see it pretty well although the video quality is not all that clear. I was able to freeze frame at one point and he also has rim damage in the same area. Not horrific, but it was there.
    One thing I did notice is this lucky stiff is getting real close to PL quality on the reverse. His are not PL, but probably somebody down the line from him may have got a couple. You could see the eagle really stand out against the fields of the reverse and I saw no polish lines front or back even though it was difficult to tell with the poor lighting.
    I think this guy may be ready for HSN, with his international accent, I am sure he would widen the audience for them. He definitely has the salesmanship part down. 😉

  128. GoldFishin says

    @CR- nobody….Hamilton, like many of the other founding fathers, Madison, Franklin, Paine, etc. were some of the most brilliant men this world has even seen, IMHO.

  129. fmtransmitter says

    @DR: Don’t twist my words to create a false impression. That is called lying. Unless it is in your head. Only YOU know what the bleep goes on up there. I said clearly error coins could be more valuable. Nitpickin byatc+×=%/

  130. fmtransmitter says

    I knew I shouldn’t of said anything before. I got put on the radar. Lol lesson learned.

  131. GoldFishin says

    @FM- remember, when he acts like that, D N F T T. I am going to call NGC and ask them about all this rim damage. It is widespread among this issue and maybe they can explain to me what it is.

  132. Dave SW FL says

    GoldFishin,
    I am really curious to know how you do your gold returns and how much it costs when all is said & done. Oh, and don’t forget to add in the $4.95 you already paid to get such junk.

    After much agonizing, I finally broke down and ordered a HR. Got the Oct. notice. Then came all of these reports of damage. Boo, hiss 🙁

    I just don’t feel safe returning a $1500 item in the mail or by UPS. From what I’ve read in the past, their insurance will not cover coins. So, I think I will just never take delivery and let UPS become the responsible party. Just too scary for me.

  133. cagcrisp says

    @GoldFishin, Tonight I checked one that I gave to someone and Yes it has just the Slightest 1/3 of an inch STATES on the rim where you posted the Link. Not as bad as the 69 Linked but it is noticeable under a 10x. Not Bad but Slight. The person that I gave it to LOVES it so I just mentioned the problem and they did not care. The 7 day window is up for me Tomorrow and Just mentioning the idea of returning the coin was not a wise move…

  134. john says

    send all those coins back.My be the mint will get it. I donot think so they send out to someone else.

  135. Dave SW FL says

    On the Truman C&C sets, my son placed an order on the Phelps notification date which received an order number from the mint. After two weeks he had not received a shipping notice and so called CS. He was told that his order was cancelled because his Apt # was not entered by the person who did the data entry (this sounds fishy to me….isn’t all that done by the computer from the website?). Interesting that he made copies of all correspondence from the mint and his order history and all had his Apt # correctly printed! No one ever contacted him by phone or email. He got an apology from the supervisor and an admission of the error being theirs, but NO SATISFACTION. Not even put on a waiting list.
    Then I see the max mintage is still not reported as sold in a post recently. That REALLY made him even madder.

    Things are really going downhill at the mint for those of us who are not connected to the Crony Capitalism between gubmnt & the Big Boyz & their TPG fixers!

  136. GoldFishin says

    @cagcrisp- it is a nice coin and you got a good one, I would keep it. I hate to have to send them back. I would advise anyone that wants more time to think about returning the coin to start the process on the website on the 7th day, you then have more time to ship the coin back and if you change your mind, you just never ship it back, shred the shipping label if you ever printed it. Been there, done that.

    @DaveSWFL- You use the pre-paid label the US Mint provides and then add the extra services on top of it. You will have to take it to the post office to do it. I will find out if I can add Registered service tomorrow and let you know. There has been some horror stories on MNB about refusing delivery. I can’t remember who it was, but one member here had a heck of a time getting his money refunded. I have sent high dollar packages back registered and enclosed a copy of my shipping expenses and received them back in the form of a treasury check. But that was before the changeover to Memphis. Anything I find out I will let you know.

  137. Dave SW FL says

    Thanks GF. I appreciate the info.

    Too bad we are now on the hook for big expenses because of their incompetence.

    I am not concerned about not getting my money back if I never sign for delivery. All I have to do if the mint has a problem is dispute the charge with Master Card. Once they determine I never got the product they will force the mint to make the refund.

  138. GoldFishin says

    @cagcrisp- if most of the HR’s have it to some degree, it seems to me that the last batch maybe gets corrected and they have the possibility of being the best coins. I am going to wait and see what happens, give it a few weeks for returns to be recycled and ?maybe? try again. A lot of dealers that have pre-sold a bunch of 70’s might be in for a rude awakening when they receive back more 69’s than they expected. They are already giving all sorts of odd angles and poor resolution in their photos to try and hide the defects. I saw one listing that even clipped the reverse image to not even show that area. I had to laugh about that one. I sure hope they pre-screened their submissions, but many of the large dealers don’t. Good Luck to Us All>>>

  139. Dustyroads says

    Yes, I’ve been working on my finger exercises for Tuesday. I’ll have two laptops, two separate accounts and two separate mailing addresses. The same IP address shouldn’t be a problem. I’ll slip away from the hospital ( the wife doesn’t mind, she likes them) for a bite to eat and get these ordered….their foolproof. Thanks for the kind words, you know who you are. If I knew you in person, I’d give you a pat on the back and a good hug. Stay wise.

  140. Clark says

    Wouldn’t it be nice if the Mint would add Quality Control improvement measurements to this year’s annual report and measure progress each year with data on returns for damaged merchandise? A little Malcolm Baldrige Total Quality Management training is long overdue.

    Collectors of gold first spouses know all too well the QC problems surfacing with HR Liberty coins. I have returned so many gold spouses I bought directly from the Mint that I finally gave up years ago and now only buy them graded by NGC from trusted online dealers on a pre-order basis. I pay high premiums, but the amount of time, expense and frustration I avoid by no longer ordering, returning, re-ordering poor quality gold coins is worth it. I also avoid grading costs, which include shipping to and from NGC, photography, etc.

  141. jeff says

    Boy you want a whipsaw put some money in the Shanghai Stock Market up 5% down 5% seems like every day.
    Crazy but sounds like it would be fun sort of like collecting coins you never know day to day ..

  142. Rudy says

    I had not seen any pictures of the HR until I checked the images of the rim damage that Gold Fishin had linked. Can you say “Medussa from ‘Clash of the Titans'”? Maybe it is just the lighting on that auction picture, but google her and check the pictures from the most recent movie….hmmm, don’t look too closely.

  143. cagcrisp says

    As of 08/10/15 on the bay offerings for the “2015 high relief Liberty”

    ALL BIN’s 124 -4
    Auction 69’s 6 -1
    Auction 70’s 61 +1
    Reserve Auction with high opening price 10 -2
    True OGP Auction 2 -3
    Total offering for “2015 high relief Liberty” 203 -9

  144. cagcrisp says

    Only 2 True Auctions in OGP for the high relief Liberty. 42,000+ Sales and 29,421 reportedly shipped by August 5 and you Only have 2 True Auctions going for OGP. That to me is Amazing. I doubt IF anyone could remember ANY major release that has FEWER auctions either Ongoing or Concluded this far into the Sales cycle.

    @GoldFishin, That would be logical. Wait and see IF quality issues are resolved and then order…

  145. Dave SW FL says

    Only 2 true auctions to me indicates sellers are scared to death that they might receive melt or less and take a real beating after fees, postage , insurance, etc.

  146. longarm says

    @Mike J. says
    “I’m looking forward to buying a HR Liberty Gold for $1,100 soon.”

    Maybe goldfish will sell you his.

  147. gary says

    There is clearly BLOOD IN THE WATER now with the 2015 High Relief gold.
    1. Lots of returns will probably produce negative sales week to week.
    2. Revelation of damaged coins, notably on the coin rims, may be quite pervasive.
    3. Apparently there are tons of slabbed 70 coins selling on Ebay. Will their 70 grade hold with time in light of the many damaged coins showing up?
    4. Ebay auction sales for OGP at mostly bailout prices, $1,500 to $1,650.
    5. Returns to the Mint 7 day window return privilege closing or closed on the first 1-3 days of Mint sales.
    6. All new orders to the Mint will certainly get the returned rejected/damaged coins.

  148. fmtransmitter says

    I agree w cagcrisp. I belive there was an investor group of dealers that pooled their money and bought say 25k of them and backed up the truck to try an corner the market on them and then they slowly trickle out product to keep prices high. Could be off on how many were bought but that is the new plan of action of big boys.

  149. says

    Gary,
    You certainly don’t paint a pretty picture with the HR–more of a gloom and doom scenario. I’m beginning to believe that the rim issue is more of the norm rather than the exception for this coin.

  150. says

    I’m beginning to think that because the Mint is pumping out so many products there is little time for true quality control. It’s a veritable candy store for hungry coin collectors who are jumping from one “hot” issue to the next.

  151. samuel says

    I heard, NGC only grades the “strike” area, not the “rim”. so, no matter what the rim looks like, u still be able to get a 70. I have 70 ATBs, the 4-mm rim have dings on them.

  152. gary says

    @Hawkster… I feel that it’s not all doom-and-gloom for the 2015 HR gold.
    In the upcoming weeks and months I believe there will be more and better discounts on the coin on Ebay and with Ebay bucks & Bonus bucks the Fleabay bottom-feeders will have a lot to pick & choose from. While I believe they will not show up anything near raw bullion I do expect some buy opportunities will begin showing up at less than Mint buy price on OGP and maybe deeper cuts for the MS69 (considered by many as junk.)

  153. gary says

    @Samuel… That begs the question, does PCGS consider the rim as part of the coin when assigning their grade of MS70??? It seems ludicrous to me that the rims would not be considered! 70 is SUPPOSED to be eye perfection (I thought anyway!) If PCGS does consider the rims, then with NGC & PCGS we have quite divergent standards!!! The NGC’s might need to be called MS69+ or MS70-! What a toilet this grading of moderns has come to!

  154. Coin boy says

    I believe most of the orders for these have shipped as an order I placed with a back order date of 10/1 has already shipped. There may be a flood right now but I would think in a week or 2 that will change. Every coin has its share of flippers who buy and then sell on ebay at auction. I believe the kennedy gold cut this number way down though. I could be wrong but I think a lot of people learned their lesson. Even though the premium is high, I think a lot of collectors are buying becaus $1490 sounds cheap compared to what we were buying bullion at just a few years ago. Of course I could be wrong…..

  155. cagcrisp says

    When the Gold BHOF were for Sale, a Fellow regular blogee set the Standard for Selling the Highest point for the Gold BHOF. 16 months later and another Fellow regular blogee is setting the Standard for the Truman Coin and Chronicles…

  156. longarm says

    My investment in the Truman CC has turned out quite profitable, after selling one box of five for +$1000, I still have one unopened box of five and one box of 5 that I opened and gave one away.

  157. longarm says

    The way I get around HH limits is by using my personal account, my dba account and my girlfriend’s account.

  158. Joe #2 says

    I just spoke with p c g s , And the gentleman told me p c g s grades the (whole ) coin including the rim… The way i see it is this, If p c g s gives the coin(s) a ms-70 with the few folks that are grading them, It is a 70. It’s good enough for me. If we cannot believe ngc or pcgs, Where do we go from here folks????????????????????
    I trust pcgs as i have personally been receiving coins graded by them and have never had an issue by them. I’m not to familiar with n g c, But these are the top 2 grading services imo.

  159. fmtransmitter says

    @joe#2: be careful what you are told over the phone. Just an FYI. There are classes to take to LEARN how graders grade a coin. Modern’s are different than classics, MS is different PF, RP is different than gold, silver is different than whatever. What I mean is there are classes offered to learn how to grade for a reason. There are videos online and on NGC, PCGS website showing the dark room with halogen lights these guys sit in all day long. Do your research and on’t rely on a phone call IMHO.

  160. fmtransmitter says

    Where do we go from here folks????????????????????

    Your own trained eye my friend…IF you must buy from photo’s online, make sure they have a return policy AND you won’t get banned if you DO return a coin, (has happened to me), and they stand behind their ad. Other than that, attend coin shows, clubs, meet others in same hobby. The best you can rely on graders for is authenticating a coin as real. Again, IMHO…

  161. fmtransmitter says

    longarm says
    AUGUST 10, 2015 AT 11:05 AM

    The way I get around HH limits is by using my personal account, my dba account and my girlfriend’s account.

    No ring on it yet? Ah, can’t blame ya…Good luck tomm. There are some who feel taking advantage and taking more than your allotted share of an offering is unethical…IMHO

  162. longarm says

    Joe #2 says
    ” Where do we go from here folks???????????????????”

    My advice, develop your own eye and judge for yourself. Most of my coins are in OGP because I could care less what the TPGs say, the only reason I buy graded coins are for their resell value. But I have raw coins that look better than 69dmpls.

  163. longarm says

    fmtransmitter says

    August 10, 2015 at 12:07 pm

    longarm says
    AUGUST 10, 2015 AT 11:05 AM

    The way I get around HH limits is by using my personal account, my dba account and my girlfriend’s account.

    No ring on it yet? Ah, can’t blame ya…Good luck tomm. There are some who feel taking advantage and taking more than your allotted share of an offering is unethical…IMHO

    Well at least I didn’t sell them as soon as I got them and then watched the price double. Only a lamebrain would do that.

  164. CasualCollector says

    I’m glad to see they modified the wording about the Ike RP — they added “only found in this set!”

    I was a little bit worried they might pull a fast one and issue the RP in a different set later this year.

  165. Ends in Error says

    I’m on my way to the Post Office now, to send my 2 Puppies home to momma.

    I had them a week. Now instead of locking them up I’m returning them. Money in my pocket will be more comforting than slip sliding spot locked in a box.

  166. says

    If, like a very recent poster, you know how to get around HH limits on tomorrow’s Ike set, perhaps this Blog site is not the best venue to boast about it.

  167. thePhelps says

    Yeah… the new privateer isn’t quite as nice as the 1st was. I’ll probably pick up a few of them, but not as impressed with them as I had hoped to be. I did read they had a few false starts on this one, and even had the dies created and used for some test pieces and threw them out – so it could be this is a compromise piece and the next one will be better.

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  170. ike says

    Joe#2 says
    What’s the spot under the eagle all about??? sheesh

    I think that is on the outside of the slab?

  171. gary says

    @Joe#2… Checked out that spotted PCGS MS70 you posted on Ebay.
    I guess THAT means is PCGS may grade the WHOLE COIN, INCLUDING ALL RIMS, but they can miss a very obvious toning spot flaw as well! So much for PCGS being a better MS70 standard for the 2015 HR gold!
    I wish you the best Joe#2 when you get your MS Smiles Standish in hand!

  172. gary says

    I may be wrong but it seems to me that MS70 HR’s are turning out to be very plentiful and may just turn out to a very high population at NGC & PCGS, once the dust settles. Evidently PCGS may turn out to be the best to get since NGC does not grade the rims which on the HR’s is thicker and more prominent than found on most moderns.

  173. fmtransmitter says

    Ethical: Being in accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong that govern the conduct of a profession.

    @gayarm: Yes…

  174. gary says

    I see an Ebay listing closed for 15 OGP @ $29,000.
    THIS guy is smoking his shorts and orbiting around Uranus if he thinks he can wholesale 15 of them for $1,933 EACH in OGP!

  175. Darek says

    Ike this black spot is on the coin. I had similar spot on my 2008 Unc Buffalo. It was like sand grain and I could feel it when I was trying to remove it. I had to return the entire set for replacement.

  176. Tinto says

    @gary

    Wow a lot of BIN with multiple MS70 coins … MCM has 6 BIN with 10 MS70 HR coins each … and then there’s another seller who’s touting Investor lots .. ..

  177. Darek says

    Years ago I had to return Unc Lucy Hayes 7 times before I received one which was a keeper. All had rim damage similar to the 2015 HR coin. Proof coins now look like they were sandblasted when you you use 10x loupe. It is very hard to find good quality coin from the US Mint this days.

  178. Darek says

    My 2015 HS coin is still on backorder. I ordered it 2 minutes after Ikaika and she said her coin was shipped last week. Since people returning their coins I don’t know why my order showing backorder status. Maybe Mint block my account after I called my credit card bank and told them that Mint didn’t returned my money. I have to figure out what’s going on before noon tomorrow.

  179. thePhelps says

    I still have no idea why people insist on using a 10x lope to look at their coins. Why not get a microscope and go into further detail? If the graders use 5x lopes – your certainly not going to find a whole lot of great coins if your looking that closely for issues. Very few coins will pass scrutiny if you keep upping the requirements beyond even accepted standards.

  180. Ends in Error says

    Well one Puppie is on the way back to momma Memphis. I decided to keep one because on close examination there were no lines and no rim flaws. I suppose this will be my first ever submission to PCGS.

    Funny but this works out exactly as I originally planned. Order 2 , send the best one in for slabbing. Even if these HR’s become just common bullion , this coin will represent my first ever self slabbed Coin. Special to me , even if it’s nothing to anyone else.

    🙂

  181. Darek says

    thePhelps- I got 10x loupe as a free gift when I bought engagement ring for my wife to be long time ago and since then I am using this loupe to inspect all coins. I have some of the coins “sandblasted ” in my collections because to get perfect coin from the Mint is almost impossible. I just saying that US Mint is unable to strike good quality coins like Perth Mint or Polish Mint are doing it.

  182. gary says

    @thePhelps… Yes 5x loupe is the graders standard. Sure, a 10X can reveal more minute detail but really now, 20X more, etc. You can take it all the way to the atomic/molecular level with a top notch electron microscope too!

  183. Joe #2 says

    Darek, I have to agree with you my friend. I know personally that Perth Mint is dang proud of there coins and rightfully so. Everything i bought from Perth was perfect. Yes a lot of things do cost more from Perth, But you know you will get the best quality along with perfect shipping materials…

  184. thePhelps says

    Darek… the mints you mention are great for selling 5,000 coins. If they can’t inspect 5,000 coins and hand out great coins they have issues. Most US mint offerings are far in excess of 5,000 to 7,000 and the production process is geared toward that. Expecting every coin to pass a 10x lope is hardly a fair standard. I think the term impossible is actually quite a misnomer since all the MS/PF 70 coins being sold today proves that to be quite wrong.

  185. thePhelps says

    Perhaps we need a MS/PF 71 because coins look good at 10x and MS/PF 72 when coins look good at 20x…etc…

  186. Louis says

    It is true the USM produces more coins, but remember Perth also makes bullion coins that have mintages between 300K and several million, and those tend be almost flawless too. Our ASE’s have gotten better for sure in recent years, but their bullion coins and proof coins are the highest quality in my view. And no one does HR/UHR as well too apart from the Mint of Poland.

  187. A different Jeff says

    Regarding the spot on the eagle reverse Joe #2 cited –
    I was at the September Long Beach show last year and sat in with a ‘meet the graders’ PCGS walkup where they were doing a quick non-binding look one or two coins per person. I had my 2000 Library of Congress eagle, which to my eye using 10x loupe, look like it should be MS70. He said it would except for a couple of small spots on the platinum portion on the reverse. If that is truly a spot on the HR coin, it is much more noticeable than the ones on my coin. I’m losing confidence in TPGs.

  188. John Q. Coinage says

    I almost barfed when I heard the HSN coin guy bragging he had sent in 2,500 rev. proof Truman$ for slabbing – 1/4 of the mintage almost he cackled from cornering the market- or as most he could, and offering the sets (ANACS 70) for a paltry $2,000. GREAT somebody will buy & get burned & hate coins & never collect, that is the HSN creed & effect…kills collectors & dealers as well….

  189. JBK says

    The US Mint produces BILLIONS of coins a year. No one else comes close. The production of circulating coinage is still their main focus/role. The explosion of collector coins mandated by Congress had put a huge burden on them. I for one think they do pretty well. The other mints that have been mentioned are largely in business to make money off collectors, so their focus is different. Also, I do not consider a coin with flaws that can only be seen at 10x to be imperfect.

  190. A different Jeff says

    I was reflecting on the comments about the rim damage seen on many of these coins and started thinking about the metallurgy underlying the manufacturing process. It looks like there are a number of coins which show a progressive increase in the size of the (for lack of a better descriptor) divots on the rims. I’m wondering if this could be traced to something on the die which, as the gold melts during the strike, causes a small amount to adhere to the die, and which then becomes part of the die and produces the damaged area. As more strikes are made, the amount of foreign matter adhering becomes greater and greater, thus causing the progressive damage.
    I mention this because I ordered 3 sets of the Kennedy silver sets last year. All 3 sets had reverse proofs which showed small voids in the upper right of the shield on the reverse. It looked as though during the strike, a small amount of the silver had separated from the coin and became part of the die. The three coins showed a progressive increase in the amount of missing metal; while very minor and not easily discernible without magnification they did go back and my replacements are perfect. This seems very similar to the pictures showing rim damage.
    Of particular note is that the Kennedys, like the HR coins, were struck at West Point. Maybe there is a general degradation of quality control at the WP mint.

  191. Joe #2 says

    A proof or mint state coin ( Silver…gold or platinum ) with even the slightest tiny spot which you could only see with a telescope is UNACCEPTABLE to me.. Especially on the HR gold lib. Many many spots on the 2009 UHR as well.. Nice folks thats answer the phone at the U S Mint, But there products are lousy ( 98% of them ). I’m passing on IKE.. Spots on those also guaranteed.

  192. thePhelps says

    Imagine my surprise when I got home tonight…Your U.S. Mint web order has shipped!

    So I am wondering what the heck can that be? American $1 Coin and Currency Set

    Ok… this has to be in the running for last minted label or something… I placed that order on 12/14/14 and it has been sitting in back order status since then. 🙂

  193. VA Bob says

    I use a 10x loupe for my satisfaction. I’m not too bothered by what the TPG’s use or not. I also have a Dinolite digital microscope for further inspections and photography. Wish there were an easy way to display a photo (embedded) in the comments. I’d like to share what a nice HR looks like, without the issues many seem to have here.

  194. ike says

    I jut wanted to say with my HR Liberty coin rim damage I could see it with my naked eye. Also not only was their rim flaws, but extra gold deposited near one part of the incomplete rim.

  195. Darek says

    How much you have to pay for 2014 American Coin and Currency set on Ebay if you were late last year?

  196. thePhelps says

    VA Bob… I think the point is – if you want to view the coin at 10x don’t be surprised to see flaws you can’t see at 5x. Also don’t be surprised that the flaws you see at 10x would still be there on you MS/PF70 coin. That said, you also can’t really give the mint grief over your 10x magnification inspection of your coin if you see flaws at that level not seen with the naked eye and 5x inspection. Somewhere in there you just have to say enough is enough…

    I’ll see what I get for the C&C… be interesting to see if it is a quality set…

  197. I started collecting yesterday says

    I checked my user ID and password at the mint web site and all is good. Last time I almost missed Truman by 2 minutes but thank goodness I was able to get my sets. See you all tomorrow at the stampede.

  198. VA Bob says

    thePhelps – If someone picked up a coin and looked at it with a 10x loupe, they might be surprised, but if one was doing it for years on end, and had a rudimentary idea of how metal flows under great pressure, by seeing it again and again, they would see it in a different light. People selling probably couldn’t care less as long as it’s good to the naked eye.

    Good luck with the Amer C&C. I don’t believe a one was returned so you should be good.

  199. Boz says

    Seems like we need some more numbers added to the top of the grading scale for the loopers amongst us. How about 80 for the top scale so that the obsessive compulsive will have more wiggle room? Poor me, still harboring the 1960’s fantasy that “uncirculated” was as good as it got.

  200. Jayarejr says

    Put order in for two Eisenhower C&C at 12:06…only a couple of glitches on the system, not bad. Order #USM034XXXX.

  201. I started collecting yesterday says

    For the first time, I experienced a hiccup with the web site and the page said “Page cannot be displayed” while trying to check-out at 12:03. I opened at new browser at 12:04 and started over again with success. Seems to currently unavailable already at 12:11.

  202. george glazener says

    I think I was checked out by 12:02, took 1 or 2 “refresh” to get it done, but otherwise quite easy. Lucky to have a fast server

  203. Natatack says

    Tried ordering, got held up at checkout 2-3 times with error message, and at 9:18am “Sorry item no longer avalible, a bust for me, hope you guys and gals did better.

  204. MLA says

    was on at 5 till, got AX2 in bag, would not let me place order, refreshed many times, finally came up tried to check out froze, kicked me off, then back up wanted my cc info and shipping info entered then tried to check out again! Told item out on stock,…………… Didn’t get, good luck to those that did.

  205. VABeachEd says

    I had about 4 or 5 glitches, I had 4 in my cart and had a hard time changing it to 2 in my cart (refreshing), then wanted CC info which was already stored with 2 CC’s. It took me between 4 to 5 minutes, but got my two sets # 034458XX. Checked page again and it said “Remind Me” and on another page “Currently Unavailable”.

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