Ellen Wilson First Spouse Gold Coin

Today, December 9, 2013 at 12:00 Noon ET, the United States Mint will begin sales of the Ellen Wilson First Spouse Gold Coin. This is the fourth of five releases for the series this year. The one-half ounce gold coins have been released in rapid succession following earlier delays.

Ellen Wilson First Spouse Gold Coin

The obverse of the coin features a portrait of the First Lady designed by Frank Morris and engraved by Charles Vickers. Inscriptions include “Ellen Wilson”, the motto “In God We Trust”, “Liberty”, the date “2013”, “28th”, and “1913-1914”.

The reverse of the coin was designed and engraved by Don Everhart and features an image of roses with the White House in the background. This is intended to be a tribute to Mrs. Wilson’s creation of the White House Rose Garden. The final design was modified slightly from the initial design candidate, which had the roses slightly overlapping the White House. Inscriptions on the reverse include “United States of America”, the motto “E Pluribus Unum”, “$10”, and “1/2 oz. .9999 Fine Gold”.

A maximum mintage of 10,000 pieces has been established for the 2013 Ellen Wilson First Spouse Gold Coin across proof and uncirculated versions. The ratio of proof to uncirculated coins will be determined based on customer demand.

Initial pricing will be $815.00 for the proof coins and $795.00 for the uncirculated coins. This is based on an average gold price within the $1,200 to $1,249.99 range and may be adjusted weekly.

The next release of the series will feature Edith Wilson and is scheduled for release next week on December 16. Since President Woodrow Wilson had both a first and second wife while serving in office, both wives are honored on separate coins.

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  1. Jake says

    The law creating the Presidential dollar states “No coin issued under this subsection may bear the image of a living former or current president, or of any deceased former president during the 2-year period following the date of the death of that president.”

    The series is scheduled to end in 2016.

    Two questions:

    Assuming no Presidential death(s) before January 1st, 2014, is the Presidential $1 coin and first spouse series now finalized?

    Since Jimmy Carter is still alive, does the series end with Gerald Ford or does the mint just skip living Presidents and we will have Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan coins?

  2. thePhelps says

    Jake – If Carter were to pass away in the next year or 2 – I am sure Congress would be asked to approve his coin anyway. The deal with Ford to Reagan is the part that is open – since the law doesn’t actually say what they can do – other than define they have to be deceased and in order of service. Does that mean it has to stop at Ford – or does it mean they can move to Reagan and skip Carter – since he is still living. I haven’t heard a definitive answer to that question.

  3. Brad says

    Jake,

    It appears very likely that both series will end with the Fords. Jimmy Carter still seems to be doing pretty well despite being 89 years old, so chances are he will not pass away any time soon. He will not be skipped, so Ronald Reagan will not have a coin unless a coin for Carter can be issued within the law’s guidelines. It is possible that an exception would be made if Carter dies sometime between now and the time for his coin to be released (thus failing the two-year prior requirement), but that would require altering the law to allow it. I would think due to Reagan’s popularity chances would be good that he would be honored on a coin in the series if at all possible, so the exception for Carter is plausible. But he isn’t in failing health, so right now it does not appear likely for either he or Reagan to have a coin in the Presidential Dollar Series.

    Nancy Reagan is also still alive, so similarly she will not have a coin unless Rosalyn Carter and she were to both pass away before their respective turns in the FS series.

  4. Brad says

    The Gold Buffalo Proof is “sold out” now. Mine was “in stock and reserved”, but I cancelled it because the xls data for 12/8 shows sales of 18,919. Higher than the 2008 but lower than the 2012.

    So, maybe I made a mistake but I didn’t want to tie up $1,590 on something uncertain. In any case, due to my cancellation someone else who wanted to gamble on the coin who would have been shut out will now move up to take my place. Good luck to them!

  5. Brad says

    Samuel,

    You have to “download all data to date in xls format” to see the new stats through 12/8.

    The 2013 Gold Buffalo Proof may actually turn out to have been a lower mintage than the 2008, but it may take years to find that out. I don’t have that kind of time. Despite what some around here seem to think, I DO operate on a limited budget! 🙂

    Also, there’s no guarantee that the 2013 will have the same magic as the 2008. Like Michael said before, collectors are likely re-evaluating what actually constitutes a “low mintage.”

  6. Ray says

    Interesting. Even not as a new low, it will be a winner both short and long term imo. glad i passed on the reverse proof and doubled up on the reg proof.

  7. VARich says

    That Buff number will be very interesting to watch.., the sales number was pulled ‘supposedly’ for sales up and including Sunday evening.., though the Buff has been on back order since what, Weds/Thurs of last week? So I guess it would be safe to reckon that the sales counter may continue to tally whether the order is fulfilled or not. I’m showing a variance of 56 coins between ’08 & ’13 by my calculations…, in my little world, a low mintage proof sitting along side a reverse proof… would be rather magical! Always something exciting with this hobby!

  8. Salacious Crumb says

    2013 Buffaloes say sold out. I checked the last mintage compared to 2008. Assuming a 150 or so were sold of the 2013’s since the last sales report, we’re looking at a new low by 500 or so!

  9. DCDave says

    @ Brad: How do you have access to US Mint sales report for Mondays when the rest of us have to wait until Tuesday or Wednesdays?

  10. Eddie says

    Do the First Ladies have to be dead to be put on a FS coin?
    I myself am really only wanting to get the FS coin of Mrs. Kennedy
    No offense to you Brad but what happened to just collecting coin for the fun of it? It seems like these days all anyone wants to do is make a fast buck. I know nothing is wrong with that but it just seems wrong.
    I am kinda of a pack rat so the only I am going to sell any of my coins is the person I leave them to is going to have to pry them out of my cold dead hands…..lol

  11. Louis says

    I also don’t understand where Brad is getting those numbers. I downloaded to xls and got the same number that is lower than the 2008. I think we will just have to see what happens tomorrow.

  12. Tom says

    I too would like to know.
    I saw you said xis format
    I just don’t know what that is?
    I have to wait till tues or wed
    to see it on coin update news.

  13. Samuel says

    Louis, actually i also got confused at the beginning, but u need to scroll down to the bottom of the file., thats for 12/8.

  14. Frankie says

    I just downloaded the Excel file, scrolled all the way to the bottom and found 18,919 as the sales figure as of Dec08.
    This list may be subject to change as is the final mintage after audit; i.e. it may be lower or higher than the 2008 one. But it will most likely be lower than the 2012 buffalo.
    Time will tell if these mintage figures actually mean anything. If gold drops further, then next year’s buffalo may see a higher mintage…

  15. Louis says

    Thanks, Sam. I finally got the file to download but I can’t open it because I don’t have MS Office. I use the free version, and I guess I can’t download with that for this file. But I take your word for it! In any event with #’s this close the 2013 will definitely have a premium.

  16. Samuel says

    i m wondering whether there will be people destroy or return 56 to make thhe 2013 one a new low, because the difference is only 56!!!

  17. fmtransmitter says

    @John c from previous thread:
    Pretty impressive returns from dealers who bought, sent in for grading, didn’t get a 69 or 70, and send back for a refund!

  18. VARich says

    Louis – just FYI – for the past several weeks, the RPBuff has been showing 44k, prior to the sanitization that’s put on the final file before it becomes ‘officially released’. While this a very prelim number, the unaudited WP ASE numbers held true to the prelim #’s within 1k.

  19. Phil says

    I ordered a 2013 proof buffalo last Thursday, when I saw that they were getting into backordered status, and am glad I did. It is quite unpredictable when the mint will sell out of a product, since it varies so much from year to year. I think that’s a good thing as the unpredictability keeps things interesting for collectors who want to have a good potential investment as well as coins that are appealing to look at.

  20. Tom says

    Historically, I like seeing a 13 date stamped
    on the design rather than the 08. The coin
    should do well. I wonder if they will take the
    buffalo of the mound and put him on a flat
    plain line for 14? I hope they don’t.

  21. Brad says

    Eddie,

    I DO collect for the fun of it. That’s why I’ve stuck out the First Spouse Series for so long! They don’t seem to be the best investment these days, but I am determined to finish what I’ve started. I’ve really enjoyed putting those sets together.

    I don’t mind buying a coin for no other reason than I think it might be a good one to “make a fast buck” on though, if the opportunity presents itself. I just decided that I didn’t want to bother with the 2013 Proof Buffalo after all, once I saw the number was slightly higher than the 2008. I don’t know if it will have the premium necessary to sell it quickly, so I bailed. It may well have been a mistake, but the alternative would be sitting on an expensive coin and waiting for it’s premium to get high enough to unload it. Comparable mintages don’t always equal comparable premiums. Ask anyone who bought those silly John Tyler Mint coin rolls looking for premiums like those of the William Henry Harrisons! Identical mintages, but certainly not identical premiums. I’m sure some of you still remember that debacle.

    Now, if the Mint had just called it quits when the initial 15,000 Proof Buffalos were sold and the first backorder notice appeared, then I certainly would have stuck with the coin. That last batch could rob it of a lot of premium it otherwise would have had.

    Anyway, not to steal Keithster’s line, but good luck to all who gambled on the Proof Buffalo! 🙂

  22. VARich says

    @ Phil – what’s the status of your order placed on Thursday? Has it shipped, in process, or on hold? Thanks in advance.

    Anyone place on order over the weekend and still have it On Hold?

  23. Don says

    I know that the Mint has special plans, including sets, for the 2014 Kennedy half dollar. What surprises me is that the 2013 Kennedy hasn’t generated any additional interest in light of it being the 50th anniversary of his death.

  24. KEITHSTER says

    I didn’t get the 13 proof but with the lower mintage it would have been nice.I did get the RP and have another proof for the side by side so the date isn’t that important to me? But Brad fist the Perry now the Buff sounds like tough luck but you seem ok with it and I know Iv’e had a few what can you do ? The 5* 50 centers are at 33,624 what’s the # we need on those looks like they made around 35,000 hope that’ll do.Good luck on whatever you get all 🙂 :>

  25. says

    I’m considering buying a 2013 Proof Buffalo PF69 for around $1630 from an online dealer. Can choose either NGC Early Releases, PCGS First Strike Flag label or PCGS First Strike Black Diamond label.
    Any thoughts???

  26. thePhelps says

    I am not a label fan… but I’d take the Black Diamond PCGS over the others. Since PCGS seems to get a igher return value for the label investment.

  27. DCDave says

    I personally like the NGC slabs as the coin seems to “float” more with less plastic compared to the PCGS.
    I also have a proof AGE with a PCGS 70 label that is not a 70 in my eye from a big dealer, so I am suspect of modern PCGS 70s.
    That said I like the older PCGS slabs better than the older white NGC slabs.

  28. ABC says

    @ Steve,
    Based on what we’ve read from several posters here in the past regarding gold coins slabbed by PCGS, I would go with NGC. Just my opinion.

  29. Dustyroads says

    Steve~PCGS is still the most respected, and stringent in their grading than any other graders, and people buy PCGS more for that reason. The Black Diamond label is also a sought after label, so you may be able to save some money by buying a plain jane NGC. Nothing wrong with an NGC PR69, and a great deal!

  30. Ray says

    Steve, you’ll thank yourself later for finding a pf70. I’d sat don’t waste your time with a coin that you know isn’t the best. If you’re looking for long term value, pcgs is where its at. They had issues with gold slabbed coins? That’s news to me. Pcgs wins against ngc imo. They have higher standards as well. Check put the census reports fro both companies.

  31. G says

    Order a GBP early Friday morning. Got back order email this morning. Switched to in stock and reserved no cancel box this afternoon

  32. Samuel says

    Steve, u r an expert on this thing. but when it is 69, i think it doesnt matter from P or N, it will close to OGP anyway, right?
    BTW, i grabbed a 70 when i saw one dealer inventory ran down from 41 to 16. now , it is all gone.

    i do see that P is more expensive than N.

  33. A&L Futures says

    I’m sorry , but I see that the last reported sales data for the 2013-W Buffalo (i.e. 18,555) as of 12/08/13.

  34. Louis says

    A little favor from someone who has a couple minutes to look this up since I am not able to download the XLS files discussed earlier.
    Could you please tell me what the 12/8 sales number is for Mt, Rushmore 5 oz? Thanks a lot.

  35. says

    Thanks guys…I too was looking at the 70’s, but they sold out…I may buy a 69 and crack it out and put it in OGP to go along with my RP in OGP.

    I also have a NGC RP 70 with the “Blue Label”….not many of those…and wanted a regular proof buffalo in 70 also in the Blue label, but can’t find any at reasonable prices.

    ot…I see the Mt Rushmore is finally on backorder. While it may end up close to the 25,000 max., I agree with Kevin’s comment that it should do well in the future as it is sooo popular. And 25,000 is still a low mintage coin in my book.

  36. Samuel says

    Louis, WRT the office software, MSFT sometimes runs promotion, u can ask around ur friends in school, big tech corp and gov, they sell the entire office professional suite for only $10.

  37. Samuel says

    Steve, if u want to crack it, i would say buy the N. because its insert is soft, u wont demage the coin when u do it.

  38. Louis says

    Thanks, Steve and Samuel. I think even if Rushmore hits the max it will be in demand. For one thing, it’s the only coin in the series with the same president on both sides!

  39. Phil says

    @VARich

    I actually ordered the GBP on Friday rather than Thursday. As of this morning I was notified that it’s on backorder status with an estimated ship date of 12/24.
    Odd thing about the original backorder notice was that it said that the backorder date was 10/25/13. I think they meant to say 12/25/13.

  40. John c says

    The newest data from the mint does indeed show 18,555 for the 2013 proof buffalo. This makes more sense to me since it wasn not such a large increase from last weeks mintage report. I am curious though if everybody’s order that says in stock and reserved goes through. In all my past experience they have always gone through when they have reached this stage. Just surprised that it looks like a lot of people who ordered during the final back order stage may actually get their coin, this is not common from the mint. Usually your order eventually gets cancelled after weeks or months of prolonged waiting, maybe the mint is actually getting better with the ordering process when a coin is near a sell out.

  41. zeeman says

    I order 10 more MR 5 Oz, lets see if I get them, I think Louis is right, they will have a demand.

  42. ClevelandRocks says

    It says 18,555 but “Y” for availability, so mintage may end up more.

    @Steve: I prefer the proof Buffalo in OGP, but my favorite slab/ label for the Buffalo is the NGC ALS that you can still get a ’13 for under $1800

  43. zeeman says

    Really fmtransmitter ? how cool, I just ordered those before I post the comment, ok so every one who make money on MR, I will take $10.00 for each coin from the profit, Glad my 10 help out.

  44. ClevelandRocks says

    Yes PF69, also shows you NGC is not PF70 happy.
    I like the NGC-ALS specifically for the proof buffalo only.

  45. Leo S. says

    Just ordered the Ellen Wilson gold Spouse and the Mint Website says it is on Backorder. It just became available yesterday. What gives?

  46. POP says

    Was having difficulty in trying to order First Spouse Wilson on the mint’s website just after noon on 12/9/13. Called Customer Service and was told that they were having a problem with the site. Looked at my order and it showed nine proofs and seven uncs had been ordered. A quick “delete” fixed that and I placed my usual order on the phone (with free shipping).

  47. ClevelandRocks says

    Problem is that there are way too many Mint products. When the Jackie R UNC sleeper was discovered there were a small fraction of Mint products produced. Now everyone looks for lows in every sub-category and there are so (too) many AND new lows often are replaced with new lows SO collect what you like.

    I’m a long time collector (not flipper) and get annoyed every time I hear cheering by a blogger when PMs go down. Bad for us long term collectors period.

  48. Frankie says

    The official, current sales figure for the gold proof buffalo now stands at 18,555:
    Precious Metal Products BU7 2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,555 12/8/2013 Y
    My order now shows as “Expected to ship on 12/25/2013”; i.e. the Mint is scraping the bottom of the gold buffalo barrel at the moment. I honestly don’t care either way if they can or cannot fulfill my order.

  49. Brian says

    GA1 2013 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 15,616
    GA2 2013 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ 3,681
    GA3 2013 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/4 OZ 3,961
    GA4 2013 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/10 OZ 12,552
    GA5 2013 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 4-COIN SET 7,520

    They are quickly approaching the 2012 mintages with no backorders yet.

  50. Samuel says

    Frankie,
    it is very interesting, the file i downloaded yesterday it was 18919. after saw ur post, i download again, now the number is 18555. the mint dont even know elementary school math?
    today:
    2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,555
    2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 47,836
    yesterday:
    2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,919
    2013 AM BUFFALO GOLD REVERSE PROOF 1 OZ 44,008

    other numbers seem the same.

  51. stephen m says

    CleavlandRocks, I would think that dips in PM’s are just that, a dip. Long run? Look at the track record of time and PM’s. Good for us long time collectors.

  52. ClevelandRocks says

    Why are you using the word “final” for ’13 proof Buffalo, when the report gives “Y (yes)” for availability. I read this as sell out occured at some point after the report. Any thoughts?

    Trivia: I believe the Rushmore coins (ATB, SD state quarter, ’91 commem) are the only coins with an image of George Washington on the obverse and reverse.

  53. Nick says

    Thank you Brian, i have the 1/10, debating the 1/4. The 1/10 would grade 70. I’ve looked it over multiple times with a magnifying lense

  54. Dustyroads says

    fm~I’ve decided the same thing, it makes perfect sense for the Mint to do that to avoid overages.

  55. Dustyroads says

    I’m making estimations of what the 5* Generals Au UNC may look like when it’s done. Being that we’re in the ball park of 5,250, if we have around 1,200 in sells per week until sold out, then we would be at around 8,850 coins, which would put it close to the 2011 Army and Medal Of Honor Au unc coins. I think it’s a real possibility, or it could very easily top 10,000, very easily.

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