Mint Catalog Updates: Ft. Sumter 5-Oz. and Silver Eagle 1-Oz. Uncirculated Coins, Ltd. Edition Silver Proof Set

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The Mint has updated several of its web-catalog pages with pricing, images, and other information collectors have been waiting for.

The 2016 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set (#16RC) has been priced at $139.95. Each set contains 90% fine silver Proof versions of each of the year’s clad circulating denominations, all struck at the San Francisco Mint: the Roosevelt dime, the Kennedy half dollar, and each of the five 2016 America the Beautiful quarter dollars (Shawnee National Forest in Illinois, Cumberland Gap National Historical Park in Kentucky, Harpers Ferry National Historical Park in West Virginia, Theodore Roosevelt National Park in North Dakota, and Fort Moultrie / Fort Sumter National Monument in South Carolina). It also contains a 2016 American Eagle 1-ounce silver Proof coin, struck at West Point in 99.9% fine silver. The edge of all 2016 silver Eagles is incused with the lettering 30th ANNIVERSARY, in honor of three decades of the ASE program. The coins are housed in a transparent lens within a presentation box, and come with a certificate of authenticity. The product limit is 50,000; there is no household order limit. The sets, which contain a total of 2.73 ounces of silver, will be available for purchase on November 25.

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The American Eagle 2016 silver Uncirculated coin (#16EG) has been priced at $44.95. Struck at West Point and housed in a blue presentation box with certificate of authenticity, the 99.9% fine coins contain 1 troy ounce of silver. Available for purchase on December 1, the coins have no mintage limit or household order limit.

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The Fort Moultrie (Fort Sumter National Monument) 2016 Uncirculated 5-ounce  silver coin (#16AN) has been priced at $149.95, with a mintage limit of 30,000 and no household order limit. This is the fifth coin in the 2016 lineup for the America the Beautiful series, which honors national parks and historic monuments in each of the 50 states, five territories, and the District of Columbia. The 5-ounce Uncirculated coin, which is housed in a black box and comes with certificate of authenticity, will be available for purchase on December 8. The Fort Moultrie three-coin quarter set (#16AH), containing an Uncirculated coin from each of the Philadelphia, Denver, and San Francisco mints, is priced at $9.95. Each set is enclosed in a durable plastic card with information about the site and a certificate of authenticity printed on the back. There are no product or household order limits on these sets, which will be available on December 5.

Finally, the Walking Liberty 2016 Centennial Gold Coin (#16XA) has been officially priced at $865. Struck in 99.99% fine gold, the coin contains 1/2 troy ounce of precious metal. It will be released tomorrow, November 17, at noon. Its mintage limit is 70,000; the order limit is 3.  ❑

This post was updated on Nov. 16 at 2:15 p.m. to add the official WLH price now posted on the Mint’s website.

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  1. Goat says

    Silver Eagle proof (ASE) $53.95 + Silver proof set $52.95 = $106.90 for “14” coins .
    2016 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set (#16RC) cost $139.95 for “8” coins.
    I have my set just in a different form and cost me $33.05 less with six coins more .
    If the ASE was reeded I would buy but it’s lettered.

  2. Larry says

    @ Goat, or a Regan C&C $68.95 + Silver Proof Set $52.95 = $121.90 for “15” coins plus a medal. So you would 7 more coins plus a medal for $18.05 less than the LESPS. The LESPS is a cure for no known disease.

  3. says

    According to the original blog post, above:
    The Walking Liberty 2016 Centennial Gold Coin (#16XA) has not officially been priced on the Mint’s website, but based on the six-week London Bullion Market average, it will sell for $865.

    When did the Mint begin pricing its gold products based on the six-week London Bullion Market average?

  4. Old Big Bird says

    Am I missing something. Has anyone else noticed that the US MINT now shows an additional negative 918 sold
    on the 5oz ATB Roosevelt!! Last week showed a negative 1259. Therefore, in two weeks their sale were a negative 2,177. That is on heck of an amount of returns and that assumes that they did not sell any. If they did then the returns were even greater.

  5. Old Big Bird says

    Ignore my last post I had the incorrect number in for 11/07/16 it should be a positive sales of 341 opps

  6. Erik H says

    I just noticed that my Queen’s Beast are developing “Milk Spots”, anybody else have this problem? Now I’m debating if I want to buy the new ones. If it’s one thing I hate it’s “Milk Spots”!

  7. Dustyroads says

    Erik H, Ouch, I hope not. Mine are in my own plastic flips and were fine the last time I looked at them. I feel the same way you do. If these are going to be problematic, I’ll have to rethink future purchases.

  8. Erik H says

    I have 3 that I bought pretty early on. Most spots are around the edge. A small one on the Queen’s face but still distracting to me.

    I’m going to dip the worst one to see if it really is a dreaded “milk spot” or some other residue from the minting process that may actually come off. I’ll let you know tomorrow or the next day time permitting.

  9. Dustyroads says

    Speaking of spots, I used MS 70 on a copper toned BBHOF silver dollar that I bought as a gift for someone and the toning completely came off.

  10. DBR says

    I’ll be on board tomorrow morning to purchase my WLH dollar gold centennial design. HHL of 3 huh? This might make for some fun in ordering these. For those who like these and collected the previous gold centennial coins, good luck! I hope you enjoy the set. I will.

  11. Teach says

    There doesn’t seem to be a lot of chatter about the gold WLH on the old inter-webs, kind of makes you wonder what will or won’t happen today………

  12. Buzz Killington says

    If interest rates go up today, does that push metals down even farther?

    What would that do to the prospect of a sell out today for the WLH? I am stronger than even betting that there is no prompt sell out of the gold WLH.

  13. Old Big Bird says

    I am in for one WLH since I have one of the two prior coins. I would like to have the full set.

  14. Dustyroads says

    The reason why there is very little chatter lately about the WLH is because the coin has been tagged a money looser, so everyone is going to wait and see how it sells before showing any position. I can’t say I blame anyone for doing that, the SL1/4 has done nothing for the half in the way of support. I however don’t mind taking a stand and declare that today is a good day to be a collector.
    Maybe one way to think of today’s release is like this; the WHL design is liked by many, and the SLQ design is liked by some, but the WLH design is liked by everyone.

  15. IPS_STUFF says

    The other question with buying the WHL today, is the following;

    Cheaper next week, cheaper in two weeks ? with the downtrend in gold
    the SLQ is still around and is priced at $460 – $25 less than the original offering price, why buy now?

    I see zero reason to rush, I have read of no predictions of a sell out on this $865.00 WHL

  16. Ikaika says

    I decided to wait and see how the sales and price of the WLH plays out before buying mine. Not comfortable in jumping in at this moment just to see most of the $$$ evaporate.

  17. dave says

    from a money point of view caution is the way to go (since its already way overpriced) but from a collectors point of view, if you already have the other 2 and don’t care about the SL quarter losing money or didn’t sell out yet well then this coin is for you I am in for one I have decided im a collector first and foremost all my coins since the 1980s are in OGP, I own the other 2 and this is to complete the set – just my 2 cents (ok since I own the other 2 ill say its my 35 cents opinion )

  18. cagcrisp says

    @Buzz Killington “If interest rates go up today, does that push metals down even farther?”

    Yellen is speaking on Capitol Hill . There is no Fed meeting today.

    I predict if the stock market stays calm that yes we will get a Fed increase in December. Interest rates have already increased after the election.

    SO…the Fed could be behind the curve already…

  19. gatortreke says

    I’m kinda like dave though I don’t want to pay more than I have to, I have the other two and want to be sure I can complete the set. Do I expect the WLH to sell out today or increase in value in the short term? No, but I’ve been wrong before, notably about the 2009 UHR (thought it would have little long term value) and the Kennedy gold halve (thought it would have long term value).

    My view in considering buying the coin is a traditional one, do I want it because I think it will increase in value in the short term or do I want it because I like it? I think all gold coins will appreciate in value in the coming decade so that isn’t the primary consideration though like I said above, I don’t want to pay more than I have to so the debate is whether I believe by waiting, I can get it cheaper in the weeks ahead? Sometimes the answer to this question is obvious but in this case, the future is cloudy to me.

  20. dave says

    @gator

    and that’s what makes it so exciting the unknown factor and since its a coin over 500.00 dollars the doubt is a lot stronger than when below, I personally will order the coin in 20 minutes im the sort of person to just say what the hell just get it now charge the hill !!!

    good luck to everyone in whatever decisions you choose to make

  21. sharks2th says

    I got through very quickly. I’m pleased with the mint website speed today. Order # 046376XX at 12:01PM EST.

  22. indydude says

    Ordered three by 12:05 Little trouble getting credit card entry but that happened with the SLQ. order #046422X

  23. says

    Slight delay in the final checkout. But, 5 minutes and done. Very happy, that’s the trifecta……a complete set! This is one set to cherish and pass on.

  24. Mike in NY says

    Finally completed order for 2 at 12:06. USM0464XXXX. Typical mint site issues the first 5 minutes.

  25. Goat says

    @ Dustyroads;
    The difference between your order # (making your x’s “0’s”) and mine is 274380 + ????

  26. says

    Louis, is it really your experience to find coins like this…..24K with numismatic value added……at lower than the mint original sale price? That sounds too good to be true.

  27. smalltimecollector says

    in and out in 5 min, even with re-starting, when I logged in and clicked two (couldn’t bear just getting one), looked at bag icon, it showed 3 items and then when clicked to look at bag, site kicked me off shopping section to main page, re-started , then checked out with no problem. i ‘m simply reporting this as my experience, before the bung-hole the loves to post about complainers chimes it.
    easy and glitch was not a big issue.
    hopefully these will both be good and don’t have to go through return….

  28. NC Stacker says

    I wonder if the TV shows will pounce. But like I said a long time ago with this. having the cost of the coin this close to Christmas many will pass. But to those that have the other two coins, this is a must have to complete the collections.

    Glad I got in on the first run and not in for sloppy seconds.

  29. sharks2th says

    It does look like sales are low right now. I agree with the earlier comments and wanted to be sure I completed the set in OGP. I wasn’t willing to take a chance for a one (or two) category price drop next week.

    @ Goat – I think the 6 and 3 were reversed on Dusty’s number.

  30. JBK says

    A budget buster for sure, but just ordered 3 – one for me, one for a friend, and one extra so we have a buffer if one is below par (we are not looking for MS70s, but we don’t want to get stuck with an MS60).

    I never spend this much on mint products, but I figure this set might be a winner long term. There were lots of other offerings in years past that had only moderate demand until the mintage was done, and then they took off. We’ll see what happens here. If here is demand, 70,000 will go fast. If there is not demand, they will sell less than 70,000 and then the coin will be more of a rarity once they go off sale.

    On at noon, took a couple minutes – order # 04638xxx

    Seems to be a decent spread between #s reported so far…..

  31. NC Stacker says

    It may be slow because for some its hard to get through.

    Looking at my order history I get the following:
    Order History is currently offline. Please check again at a later time.

  32. gatortreke says

    There’s definitely much lower enthusiasm here for the product, maybe they only made 30,000 and will end sales early in December creating an instant rarity (the inner Mike Meezak coming out in me). Hey, a person can dream.

    As I said earlier, I’m in for the long run and think PM’s will be up in the coming decade so not much real risk in buying now. If I’m wrong, my daughter will have a smaller inheritance and she’ll just have to deal with it.

  33. VA Dave says

    cagcrisp
    46545XX at 1243pm. Based on an early number I saw on the blog of 46376xx there’s been about 16,943 orders (I’m guessing)…..

  34. Throckmorton says

    Normal grinding of the gears during the ordering process but the order for 3 went through at 12:06. Maybe everyone was done ordering by 12:30?

  35. VA Dave says

    cagcrisp
    Thanks for the number – makes me feel better about getting my coin – I only ordered one – just a collector. Even at 3 coins per order its not sold out yet but based on the sluggish crappy web site response it did take a few try’s to get the order placed.

  36. Gary Not Dave says

    I wonder if its too late for the Mint to scrap this coin and produce a SILVER half dollar instead. I think the Mint dropped the ball on this one. IMHKJO.

  37. Louis Golino, Author says

    @WCubes- I have not always been patient enough to wait, but yes, many gold commems (almost all on fact) are cheaper. same with JFK gold and others.

  38. DBR says

    I ordered one gold WLH dollar right at the noon bell, but at first I couldn’t find the coin on the website. Duh! LOL! My order was at 9:04am EST with some timing out and refreshing the page issues. I threw in a commemorative national parks proof silver dollar too. I was going to pass on that commemorative but I collect commemoratives and scooped one up.

    @ smalltimecollector

    Re: someone chiming in….very very funny! Lol I learned a lot about bungholes (not people but the barrels) when I went on the Bourbon Trail distillery tour in KY. Lots o’ fun!

  39. JBK says

    The mint did not drop any ball as it is not their call on what to mint. Congress decides, and Congress would have needed to pass legislation authorizing silver coins. The mint does have some leeway with gold as that is how the law authorizing them to make gold bullion coins was worded (next question – do these really qualify as bullion give the markup). And yes, it is too late to scrap the gold WL since they are already minted and thousands have already been ordered.

    BUT…I do agree that silver versions would have been great, had they been authorized. I would not even have minded clad versions….

  40. earthling says

    If people are ordering 3 of these trinkets ( 😉@Jeff) then they are most likely looking to flip. If a sell out happens quickly then good luck to all in getting the flip before it all comes crashing down.

    I was almost tempted to get one of these but was able to control myself. Looks like my hopium addiction is starting to be manageable , somewhat.

    Looking to get some Silver Brittanias soon. Please Silver ,drop a bit more. ☺

  41. MikeinWA says

    Passing on gold walking liberty. I will purchase it on secondary next year when gold is near $500.

  42. Buzz Killington says

    @cag —

    The consensus is that the interest rate hike is already priced in. Seems like you agree.

    I did end up buying ONE of these gold WLH, for my collection, and I stand ready to live with the consequences.

    Hey Clark! Welcome back!

  43. fmtransmitter says

    This is beautiful tribute to one of our nations greatest designs at a time when the nation was at a crossroads similar to today and Teddy took over and worked to “Make America Great Again”. It is iconic in design. 25k would have been better for mintage but either way, it is a coin for the true collector. Not for the flipper. It is a coin to cherish and pass down to generations and only 70k people in the World will be allowed this privilege. If you want to add it, do it now before all the flippers get them graded and send back the 69’s and you buy a 69. At least now you have a chance to get a 70. Either way, I think it will sell out eventually. it is late in the year and if it doesn’t, oh well, I think it stays on sale til it sells out being a commem correct? I say cheers to all who ordered this iconic coin to add to their collection and I hope it is stunning in person…

  44. Buzz Killington says

    There is a chance, probably a slim one, that not all of the 70K gold halves have been minted, so as to avoid the SLQ problem. And if that is the case, it is likely that whatever is made now is all that will ever be made.

  45. ClevelandRocks says

    Nice coin. Not sure if I like the (original) face value (50 cents) or would have been happier with $100 on it. Bought one and think this will sell out before end of the year. I think the Standing Liberty will be pulled at some point and the next day folks will wish they bought one.

  46. fmtransmitter says

    johnaz says

    November 17, 2016 at 11:11 am

    Is this coin sold out

    cagcrisp says

    November 17, 2016 at 11:14 am

    @johnaz, It hasn’t even went on sale yet…

    SO…NO…it has NOT sold out…

    LMAO…

  47. dave says

    ordered mine at around 1205 USM04643XXX

    no matter what happens like I said before I am happy I have the 3 coins

  48. fmtransmitter says

    MikeinWA says

    November 17, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    Passing on gold walking liberty. I will purchase it on secondary next year when gold is near $500.
    cool, hope so, you can bet pm’s will drop before WH transition, and you can bet they will slowly rise and rise after the decorators leave…Wonder if he’ll have the faucets gold plated like his NY crib. You can see his crib in the movie Devil’s Advocate where it shows a New York builder on trial for a triple murder…How ironic…

  49. cagcrisp says

    @ Buzz Killington “There is a chance, probably a slim one, that not all of the 70K gold halves have been minted, so as to avoid the SLQ problem. And if that is the case, it is likely that whatever is made now is all that will ever be made.”

    I think that is a valid point…

  50. Dustyroads says

    This looks like it may be about what the Mint wanted to accomplish. If those on the sidelines begin to see that the WLH is approaching 70 by tonight or tomorrow, they may jump in.

  51. earthling says

    Where have all the Gold Bugs gone………………….

    Wall Street must be jumping. I wouldn’t know I rarely even peek at those numbers. If Gold Bugs were still swarming, this puppy woulda run away by now.

    😕

  52. cagcrisp says

    @Dustyroads, “This looks like it may be about what the Mint wanted to accomplish. If those on the sidelines begin to see that the WLH is approaching 70 by tonight or tomorrow, they may jump in.”

    Where oh Where do you see Sales approaching 70k?..

  53. cagcrisp says

    Anyone that has a sales number Higher than 4661xxx please post. I only need numbers higher and with a TIME.

    I’m really not interested that you got in at 12:01 OR that the website was slow…

  54. DBR says

    @ cagcrisp

    “These numbers are dismal.”

    Well don’t forget the HHL is 3, so the 20K+ orders are combos of singles, doubles and triple coin purchases. This isn’t the SLQ scenario exactly.

    So when will they announce first day sales numbers for WLH?

  55. cagcrisp says

    @DBR, “Well don’t forget the HHL is 3, so the 20K+ orders are combos of singles, doubles and triple coin purchases. This isn’t the SLQ scenario exactly.”

    I’m Trying to take all that in consideration…

  56. Larry says

    With gold tanking the way it is, I just couldn’t pull the trigger. I really only wanted the SLQ anyway. The half is nice, but not nice enough in this environment to pay so high a premium. If it gets down to melt I may pick one up, but if it doesn’t, no big deal.
    Now if it would have been proof or reverse proof……. Oh well, I can dream.

  57. sharks2th says

    There was a news blurb today the oval office is due for remodeling and security updates, which the current resident has been avoiding. Chances are the new occupant will let them make the upgrades immediately, which will take about a year to complete. Maybe he’ll pay for the gold upgrades. Any leftover 2016 commems could be used as curtain tiebacks, paperweights or door knobs. 😃

    I am a bit disappointed the WLH was released the week before Thanksgiving. For those travelling, you may have to get UPS to hold it for pickup if they ship them quickly and you won’t be home.

  58. Bullion Man says

    Looks like we are going to get 25,000 orders taken today. I would guess 50,000 total WLHs were sold today which could put the large dealers in a predicament. Every dealer I offered to buy these coins for told me they were waiting till the mint releases the household limit, and then they were going to buy them at cost from the mint. . A lot of them got burned on the SLQ and wanted the mint to pay for it, I guess we’ll know who won in the next week or maybe even less. How quickly does everyone see the mint dropping the household order limit if 50000 of the 70000 coins are sold? Most I spoke too think the limit will be gone in 3 days.

  59. Louis Golino, Author says

    My guess for first day sales is around 50K. With 25K or so orders, I think 2 per order
    when you average in all the dealer orders for three with single and double orders from
    everyone else. And then probably a sellout within a month, so I may have to reconsider
    my plan to wait. It would help if it lasts at least another 11 days so I am on a new CC cycle
    and have another month to pay and avoid interest.

  60. Louis Golino, Author says

    For all the justified hand-wringing about the cost, it is $55 less than 2 of the SLQ. The rationalization of purchase has begun!

  61. Throckmorton says

    Maybe 50K assuming those sold stay as delivered. I’m thinking there will be a fair amount of returns on this as the riverboat gamblers cut their losses.

    I wonder if the USM would have been better served to have gone from largest to smallest. The interest may have been greater for the WLH in June..

  62. JBK says

    Louis G – sounds like you will have talked yourself into it in no time….

    I have no idea what to expect, but for once I hope I got in on something really decent. From what I have heard the Merc has held its own, the quarter is still on sale (not sure what the Mint was thinking with that mintage), and if the walker sells out in a reasonable amount of time I will feel good about the set. It is a hard pill to swallow but I have a friend who is full speed ahead on this set, so I can blame her.

  63. scott says

    On another subject, I have noticed a couple different listings on Ebay selling counterfeit $50 Platinum Eagles. Coins are dated 2003 & 2005, both listings say the coins are BU, but the coins are proof finish and they are both copies with the 1997 reverse. First seller I contacted pulled his listing, then said I didn’t know what I was talking about. The coins in both listings are missing the designer’s initials.

  64. says

    Hopefully, the following question is within the purview of this site.

    On 8 Nov. 2016, India voided the 500 & 1000 rupee bank notes.

    During the last several years there have been numerous reports of kilo + quantities of gold being smuggled into India.

    Is it reasonable to expect that this demonetization will have impact upon the global price of gold?

    To me, it has not shown up so far.

    Semper Fi

  65. cagcrisp says

    At this time, where others are seeing 50k, I’m seeing upper 30k’s.

    I use a Much lower factor than 2 per order number listed on Average…

  66. Mike says

    “Louis Golino, Author says
    NOVEMBER 17, 2016 AT 5:41 PM

    For all the justified hand-wringing about the cost, it is $55 less than 2 of the SLQ. The rationalization of purchase has begun!”

    LOL!! I told myself I wasn’t going to buy after thinking more about it, and reading comments on this blog. But then somehow, mysteriously, when I had a break at 10:30am PST today, I found myself logging onto the mint website, and somehow, mysteriously, I put the coin in the cart, and I swear it wasn’t MY Hand that opened my wallet and typed in those numbers! No really officer, I’m innocent!

    It’s a mystery, but somehow I got a confirmation email from the Mint on a coin I had decided not to buy…

  67. smalltimecollector says

    Mike says

    November 17, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    ……….

    It’s a mystery, but somehow I got a confirmation email from the Mint on a coin I had decided not to buy…

    the force is strong with this one.
    in the words of yoda; “Do. Or do not. There is no try.”

  68. So Krates says

    @ Buzz Killington – Yes, agreed, that one looks bad. Seems to be the common FleaBay response. They would rather get their fees and chance a return than proactively kill a potential sale for something as trivial as counterfeiting. In their eyes there’s no difference between a fake designer handbag and a fake platinum coin.

  69. mark says

    EBAY is full of counterfeit morgan dollars/trade dollars they even ship them to you from china post . So many on there in the morning its not funny. The sellers all have the same m.o. Zero feedback selling just 5 coins, list as morgan dollars but sometimes they are trade dollars and all shipped by china post 10-35 days for delivery.

  70. bobo says

    These counterfeits coming out of China are a boon to the graders, since a graded coin is a real coin. How can we stop Chinese counterfeiters? Should Ebay stop listing Chinese dealers? Anyone who buys from a Chinese shipper is asking to get scammed.

  71. gatortreke says

    When I’m looking at electronics or coins on eBay, if it is shipped from China or Hong Kong, my default position is in the immortal words of Nancy Reagan, Just Say No,

  72. So Krates says

    @ bobo – Yes, good point about the TPGs, however the truth is I encounter more fakes in slabs than raw. The best cons will take advantage of your trust in TPG graded coins combined with the inability to handle, weigh, measure, etc.

  73. Buckeye says

    “Buzz Killington says
    NOVEMBER 17, 2016 AT 10:28 PM

    I reported this, but my reports of fakes never seem to result in anything.”

    I reported it as well,. I am going to add it to my watch list and see what happens with it.

  74. Larry says

    @ bobo. I read about what they did in India. They are trying to get all of the ‘corrupt” cash out of hiding by changing to a new version of their paper money. That is far from going cashless. They did this by decreeing the two largest notes must be traded in for the new notes, and the old note are now worthless.
    So keep buying gold and silver, there is nothing the government can do to decree they are worthless. Gotta love governments and fiat currency.

  75. data dave says

    43,728 * $865 = $37.8 million in sales. I think that number (40K) was what was originally planned for the half until they both increased the mintage and the price spread. I am sure someone has those original numbers for the dime, quarter and half as I have seen them on this blog.

    So I was wrong about the 4 hour sell out, but based on the number of buyers waiting for a lower price or the HHL to be eliminated, I see sales eventually exceeding 60K.

    The Mint should offer the rest of the dimes as part of a 3 pack special (same packaging though) and give you free shipping. This could then add close to 10K worth of sales to the quarter they can’t get rid of.

  76. cagcrisp says

    @data dave, ” I think that number (40K) was what was originally planned for the half until they both increased the mintage and the price spread.”

    25,000 @ $770.00…

  77. Dustyroads says

    Coin Week –

    “UPDATE, 11/18/2016: According to an announcement from Michael White at the U.S. Mint, first day sales for the 2016 Walking Liberty Centennial Half Dollar gold coin total 43,728 units sold. This represents about 62% of the maximum mintage of 70,000.”

  78. says

    Re: fake platinum coin on ebay: I’ve reported fraudulent activity with coins on ebay and they have NEVER removed anything. I bookmark and check back and they never delete any fraudulent listings. Keyword spamming either, or any other violation.
    Is there some way we could band together for a class action suit? Ebay gets a 10% sales commission and they love it when $800 to $1,200.00 dollar coins sell and the $80 to $120 commission rolls in. The money they make off of coins sales would easily enable them to hire people to prevent fraudulent listings and to handle return problems. Ebay purposefully ignores reports so you’d think that would make them criminally complicit and liable.
    As far as TPG go, from the stuff I have seen them do personally with my submissions, I am not so sure they actually consistently check coins to see if they are bonafide or not. That may seem laughable to some people, but they are very haphazard with how they grade coins. Once I sent in some Gairsoppa coins and I mistakenly put the wrong year on the coins. Sure enough, they took my word for the year and certified the coins with the wrong year. They didn’t seem to think this was a serious problem? Did they even look at the coins? They basically just went with whatever I said the coins were yearwise, so maybe they assumed I was right with the other coins too? In the same batch there was some Russian coins that I got from ebay from Russia. Are they authentic? NGC said they were (by grading them with a label indicating it was a Russian coin) but I am not sure they really examined them to the extent of ruling out a fake. They claim they don’t keep records on the coins. You’d think they’d weigh them , measure them, and notate the results but they lady I talked to said they didn’t. That’s just one instance out of a few mistakes they’ve made with my submissions.

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