Mint news roundup: Platinum Eagle Proofs, ATB 5-ounce silver, and other news

Mint news roundup

Mint Ekes Out Two More Dates on the Calendar

Through the first half of 2017, the Mint has laid out its calendar one month at a time, as opposed to committing to a full year’s schedule as it has done in the past. Last week the Mint added items to the July calendar—but only through July 11.

The first of two July items now listed is the 2017-W American Eagle platinum Proof coin (17EJ), which is scheduled to go on sale at noon on Thursday, July 6. In recent years, APE Proofs have been issued in multi-year series: Vistas of Liberty (1998–2002), Foundations of Democracy (2006–2008), Preamble to the Constitution (2009–2014), and Torches of Liberty (2015–2016). (A new, three-year series, Preamble to the Declaration of Independence, will commence in 2018.) During non-series years—namely 1997 and 2003–2005—each APE issue has had a unique reverse design.

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This year’s issue will not be part of a series, but for the first time, it will repeat a design. In honor of the coin’s 20th anniversary, the 2017 American Eagle platinum Proof will use the 1997 “soaring eagle” design created by Thomas D. Rogers Sr. The coin will be priced shortly before its release date, based on current bullion values and the Mint’s pricing grid.

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The second July catalog item will be the Ozark National Scenic Riverways 5-ounce Uncirculated silver coin (17AL). The coin will be the 38th America the Beautiful Uncirculated “puck,” and is priced at $149.95.

Annual Silver Proof Sets Now Available

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On June 7, the Mint opened sales for the 2017 Silver Proof Set (17RH). Priced at $47.95, the sets contain the following Proof coins:

  • Five silver quarters from the America the Beautiful Quarters Program honoring Effigy Mounds National Monument (IA); Frederick Douglass National Historic Site (DC); Ozark National Scenic Riverways (MO); Ellis Island (New Jersey); and George Rogers Clark National Historical Park (IN).
  • One Native American $1 coin with a reverse design featuring a profiled likeness of Sequoyah writing “Sequoyah from Cherokee Nation” in Cherokee syllabary along the border of the design. Inscriptions are UNITED STATES of AMERICA$1, and Sequoyahwritten in English in the field of the design.
  • One Kennedy silver half dollar
  • One Roosevelt silver dime
  • One Jefferson nickel
  • One Lincoln cent

The quarters, half dollar, and dime are struck in 90 percent silver. All coins bear the S mintmark of the United States Mint at San Francisco. Each set includes a certificate of authenticity.

Meanwhile, on June 5, the traditional launch festivities for the latest ATB quarter—Ozark National Scenic Riverways—benefited from beautiful weather and successful promotions: more than 1,800 people, including 700 children, were in attendance.

Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee to Meet June 21

The Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee (CCAC) will hold a public meeting at 9:30 a.m. (ET) on Wednesday, June 21, 2017, at Mint headquarters in Washington, D.C. The CCAC will review and discuss the following design candidates (agenda subject to change as needed):

  • 2019 Native American $1 coin
  • 2020 Native American $1 coin
  • Apollo 11 50th Anniversary Commemorative Coin Program
  • Filipino Veterans of World War II Congressional Gold Medal
  • Office of Strategic Services Congressional Gold Medal

The election of jurors for the Apollo 11 design competition is on the agenda as well. In addition—and perhaps of particular interest to Mint News Blog readers—the CCAC plans to review and discuss a potential 2018 American Liberty 24-karat gold fractional coin.

The meeting is open to interested members of the public and news media. Interested members of the public may dial in to listen to the meeting at (866) 564-9287, access code 62956028. Note: Dial-in access is listen only and phones must be kept on mute to not disturb discussion.   ❑

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  1. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 11,111
    Johnaz 36,000

  2. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 11,111
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500

  3. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 11,111
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000

  4. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 11,111
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500

  5. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 11,111
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000

  6. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 11,111
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900

  7. Erik H says

    “and perhaps of particular interest to Mint News Blog readers—the CCAC plans to review and discuss a potential 2018 American Liberty 24-karat gold fractional coin.”

    Thanks for the info.

    In other news, MCM has Proof 70 silver Krugerrand’s for just under $800. Or you can give me $700 and I’ll send you an ounce of silver and you’ll have an extra $100 to blow on something else.

  8. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900

  9. DBR says

    Guesstimate for Liberty medal sales:
    22,000.

    I thought this medal was HR but I don’t think the description details for this medal mention that it is HR.

    Bummer.

  10. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000

  11. says

    225th Anniversary American Liberty Silver Medal

    https://catalog.usmint.gov/225th-anniversary-american-liberty-silver-medal-17XB.html
    PHILADELPHIA (P)

    $59.95

    This product will be available for sale on June 14, 2017, at 12 noon (ET).

    Celebrating the U.S. Mint’s 225 year anniversary
    A breathtaking rendition of Liberty
    Minted at the U.S. Mint at Philadelphia
    Accompanied with a booklet detailing the evolution of our Nation’s symbol.

    Item Number: 17XB
    Mintage Limit: None
    Product Limit: None
    Household Order Limit: None

    It’s Final Now!

  12. says

    14 June 2017 –

    – the day that 17,000 folks throw $32.95 (plus $4.95 shipping) into the wind

    $59.95 – price of Silver medal
    minus $27.00 – future value of Silver medal
    = $32.95

    Or $37.90 including S&H tossed away

    Disclaimer – I purchase the gold Liberty, this silver medal, is priced beyond my BS threshold 🤑

  13. cagcrisp says

    For those that continue to Link “sales” on Generic graded Old Gold….Be Careful before purchasing…

    I’m seeing More and More “sales” of Old Gold.

    Premiums on Graded Generic Gold continue to Decrease

    When “sales” occur in the volume that I am seeing I’m wondering IF (1) Dealers are thinking Gold will be dropping or (2) Demand is drying up or (3) Supply is hitting the market

    For my part (3) Supply is hitting the market. I was Very aggressive early in 2017 with Old Gold purchases. Currently I haven’t bought much Lately. Why? There is SO MUCH supply hitting the market at this time and as of yet prices have Not come down on the items I am looking for. (At least not the prices that I think are reasonable… considering…)

    I can NOT remember in Years seeing the Supply of desireable Gold that I am Currently seeing. I’m just not going to chase anything.

    Strangely the Gold I am looking at was priced better earlier in the year when the Supply was not there.

    With 10,000 people hitting the age of 65 EVERY day until 2030, I will just bide my time…

  14. Throckmorton says

    Cagcrisp – I am noticing a higher volume of “fresh” collector coins across the spectrum hitting the market. MS 65 ASGs are getting cheap. I also think an uptick of old time collectors are cashing in…….and the beat goes on.

  15. cagcrisp says

    Throckmorton ” I am noticing a higher volume of “fresh” collector coins across the spectrum hitting the market. MS 65 ASGs are getting cheap. I also think an uptick of old time collectors are cashing in…….and the beat goes on.”

    I’ll Agree with both those statements. On a percentage basis for Generic Gold the percentages on the Higher end are coming down more so than on the lower end of the grading scales. I’m Not talking about High grade/High demand coins. I’m talking about Generic Gold.

    As far as Old time collectors cashing in. That’s what I’m talking about with 10,000 people hitting 65 EVERY day. Once we had the Great Recession there were a Ton of older Americans that got out of the stock market and NEVER got back in. Those people are Hurting in retirement because interest rates are So Low on bonds and they didn’t Save/Invest accordingly in their younger years. They will sell whatever they have to continue to live into their retirement years…

  16. HarryB says

    @cag: I have been surprised at the volume of graded “old gold” offered by some of the eBay retailers, I track and occasionally purchase US $20 gold in MS62 or better, and the quantity per offering and number of offerings currently listed is impressive. Most offerings are for coins graded some years ago, so I agree the source of the current inventories appears to be estate liquidations or asset redirection.

  17. cagcrisp says

    Bullion puck sales :

    Effigy 28,700 +500
    Douglass 20,000 (SO)
    Ozark 20,000 +2,800

    Odd that Ozark is Currently at EXactly at 20,000 with All the APs buying in. Maybe Ozark is being capped at 20k like Douglass?

    IF so, you guys fall all over yourself trying to buy them on the secondary market , like you did Douglass…

  18. Throckmorton says

    Cagcrisp – You will see sales under duress just as you describe which I think is a strong influence for the uptick in generic items but you also have a significant amount of collectors that are, to your point again, hitting an age that encourages divestiture. The hobby went through a significant period of growth in the late fifties and sixties and here we are 50 or 60 years later. The mindset of a lot of collectors is to sell off for estate planning purposes. Hence, a lot of nice collector coins are showing up and the supply can’t be controlled because it’s a multitude of collections being sold through all sorts of channels.

    If you have the time an patience, go to coin shows. I believe you will find the older dealers have the best deals.

  19. Tom P. - MA says

    OK, I’ll be a first time guesser only because I can’t believe how far off base some people are (or maybe it’s me). 12,500 sales for the first week. I do not plan to buy one myself.

  20. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500

  21. cagcrisp says

    US Mint:

    Promo Code “DADS”

    Sunday is Father’s Day! Today is your last chance to get two day shipping on gifts for only $4.95 with promo code DADS

  22. earthling says

    Dan Carrs Moonlight Mint just put up a bunch of 2017 New Product early this morning. I’ve ordered a bunch of Clark & Gruber Colorado Gold pieces and a few cool Silver items. These are delightful alternatives to the dreary US Mint trinkets.

    😋😙

  23. earthling says

    I guess I’ll throw in a WAG on Thursday launch of new US MINT product. First week – 3 days hmmm……. I’ll go with 39,093. 🤑

    There’s got to be a few big orders trying to get those ” rare ” early labels. 🙃

  24. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093

  25. cagcrisp says

    The American Liberty Silver Medal goes on sale TOMORROW…

    A rare Wednesday offering…

  26. John Q. Coinage says

    CAG et al., the generic OLD US gold is popping up quit a bit, prices on slabbed St’s are close to what a new Au Eagle, it would seem to be a no brainer,- but maybe people want an Once of AU, not a piece of original coinage. I sold some gold this week, last time I got like $500 more per AGE, sold one @ $1,754 to say I did. As an ‘addic’ I always think gold/silver will always go up & be a good investment…who knows….I have relatives investing in BIT COins & other such cyber/cryto currencies, no thanks…..as most here I prefer physical possession of something of value…..old school I guess!

  27. earthling says

    * Wednesday* Launch ! What is going on with the Mint. Have those Ruskies hacked into the system.?

    I’ll stick with my WAG of 39,093. You never know how crazy those slab merchants are going to get, but I feel like my number is a tad low for an extra day or two.

  28. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093
    Zephin 21,100

  29. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093
    Zephin 21,100
    BigC 9,321

  30. Blair J. Tobler says

    @ cagcrisp – you may be right about them capping Ozark at 20,000 – since this morning, JM Bullion’s price has gone up about $20.00. APMEX is up as well, and Provident is out of stock.

  31. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093
    Zephin 21,100
    BigC 9,321
    Sith 7,000

  32. JohnT58 says

    Blair J. Tobler – According to APMEX, the Ozark’s puck is sold out. Since it is still in pre-sale on dealer sites, it seems strange that the mint would cut off production so early. Then again, we are talking about the mint.

  33. cagcrisp says

    16AN 2016 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – FT MLTR 17,193 + 30
    17AJ 2017 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – EFF MNDS 15,223 + 77
    17AK 2017 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – DOUGLASS 14,189 +260

  34. cagcrisp says

    Finally…numbers are getting to where I thought they would be…

    17XA 2017 AM LIBERTY 24K GOLD 1 OZ 22,594 + 147

  35. cagcrisp says

    16XA 2016 WALKING LIBERTY 24K GOLD .5OZ 63,614 +67
    16XC 2016 STANDING LIBERTY 24K GOLD .25OZ 89,353 (634)

  36. cagcrisp says

    Boys Town still showing Dismal Gold numbers…

    17CA 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD PROOF 1,336 +6
    17CB 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD UNC 1,758 +12
    17CC 2017 BOYS TOWN SILVER PROOF 20,095 +329
    17CD 2017 BOYS TOWN SILVER UNC 9,150 +94
    17CE 2017 BOYS TOWN CLAD PROOF 15,280 +122
    17CF 2017 BOYS TOWN CLAD UNC 13,691 + 62
    17CG 2017 BOYS TOWN 3-COIN SET 4,836 + 51

    17CH 2017 LIONS CLUBS SILVER PROOF 61,484 +716
    17CJ 2017 LIONS CLUBS SILVER UNC 15,886 +74

  37. cagcrisp says

    16EA 2016 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ 560,648 + 903

    16EB 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 23,631 + 11
    16EC 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ 5,710 +4
    16EF 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 4-COIN SET 17,270 + 1

    16EG 2016 AM EAGLE SILVER UNC 1 OZ 199,043 +378

  38. cagcrisp says

    17EA 2017 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ 271,606 +5,643

    17EB 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 5,361 +206
    17EC 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ 1,164 +44
    17ED 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/4 OZ 1,799 +67
    17EE 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/10 OZ 7,793 + 220
    17EF 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 4-COIN SET 6,979 + 47

    17EH 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD UNC 1 OZ 2,080 + 199

    17EL 2017 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 10,298 +676

  39. cagcrisp says

    At the rate these things sell, it will take Months to get those Reagan sales back…

    JQ1 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 2,676 +1
    JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 1,878 + 4
    JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – EISENHWR 2,016 +2
    JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – KENNEDY 6,696 +4
    JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 1,791 +1

    16SA 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – NIXON 2,542 +1
    16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – NIXON 1,625 –
    16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – FORD 2,352 +2
    16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – FORD 1,610 –
    16SE 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 3,407 (97)
    16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 1,883 +1

  40. KCSO says

    “According to APMEX, the Ozark’s puck is sold out (at 20,000) –

    the new norm!

  41. cagcrisp says

    NEW sales items…

    17RH 2017 SILVER PROOF SET 174,724

    17ARG 2017 ATB QTR 2-ROLL SET – OZARK (P&D) 6,028
    17ARH 2017 ATB QTR 40-COIN ROLL – OZARK (S) 2,425
    17ARJ 2017 ATB QTR 3-ROLL SET – OZARK (P&D&S) 6,013

    17ABG 2017 ATB QTR 100-COIN BAG – OZARK (P) 1,603
    17ABH 2017 ATB QTR 100-COIN BAG – OZARK (D) 1,611
    17ABJ 2017 ATB QTR 100-COIN BAG – OZARK (S) 2,657

  42. Tom P. - MA says

    … so now everyone will plow into the next 5 oz bullion issue and the mint will also inexplicably raise the mintage to 40,000.

    I missed out on the Ozark (now as low as $119). Not sure if I will cave or wait for the inevitable sale.

  43. cagcrisp says

    Get ready for a Possible ride in precious metals tomorrow.

    Fed Should raise rates tomorrow.

    That in itself is baked in the cake. The Dovish or Hawkish Fed stance for the remainder of 2017 is what Could move the markets…

  44. Dustyroads says

    cag, I don’t see any reason why the Fed will not raise rates tomorrow either, everyone is expecting at least two hikes this year.

    And, why would the mint not makes more Ozark 5 ozers. My bet is on them doing it.

  45. So Krates says

    The expanding debt of the European banks is the main cause for the deluge of $20 gold pieces hitting the US market. Their growing balance sheets are putting liquidity pressures on their reserves.

    18,600 silver medals will be sold tomorrow

  46. Asherspapa says

    Can someone confirm another policy change at the Mint? I could swear yesterday, their FAQ said that orders for in-stock items would be shipped within one to two days with delivery in 1-2 weeks. That’s certainly been what I’ve seen with most of my orders–shipped in two day, received in about a week with standard shipping. But now the Mint says that orders for in-stock items will be shipped with 7 days!!
    Am I wrong? Or did the Mint just make another customer-unfriendly change. What company would get away with shipping in seven days?

  47. Louis Golino says

    Be careful about those claims of sold out pucks. I contacted the mint about the last one (Douglass, I mean Bob the painter with big hair) and was told they are not technically sold out. The dealers may be using this info. to drum up sales.

  48. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093
    Zephin 21,100
    BigC 9,321
    Sith 7,000
    So Krates 18,600

  49. You Can't See Me says

    My guess is 13,111.

    I am excited that the Boy’s Town uncirculated dollar sales are trending below the 96 Olympic wheelchair dollar. I think we will see a few record lows this year for commems.

  50. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093
    Zephin 21,100
    BigC 9,321
    Sith 7,000
    So Krates 18,600
    You Can’t See Me 13,111

  51. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093
    Zephin 21,100
    BigC 9,321
    Sith 7,000
    So Krates 18,600
    You Can’t See Me 13,111
    Xena 14,525

  52. MarkInFlorida says

    A prominent dealer at the January F.U.N. show also told me lots of old us gold ($20s) are coming back from Europe and premiums were dropping. He said it might be politics, but SK is probably more right.

  53. gatortreke says

    One month ago, JM Bullion had a special on random year ASG $20, graded MS-63 by either PCGS or NGC for $1315. There was practically no spread between this “old gold” and a modern AGE so figured it was a no brainer to purchase it over a current year AGE or AGB so that is what I did so. I received a 1908 No Motto PCGS MS-63 in a newer slab.

    I just checked and see the price I paid during this special is less than anything comparable at the major bullion sites except an ungraded polished or cleaned double eagle. Whatever the reason, I figured the special was too good to ignore.

    Re: the Liberty medal, I’m going with 9999.

  54. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093
    Zephin 21,100
    BigC 9,321
    Sith 7,000
    So Krates 18,600
    You Can’t See Me 13,111
    Xena 14,525
    gatortreke 9,999

  55. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093
    Zephin 21,100
    BigC 9,321
    Sith 7,000
    So Krates 18,600
    You Can’t See Me 13,111
    Xena 14,525
    gatortreke 9,999
    Mike the Greek 22,607

  56. asherspapa says

    If the Mint had put a reasonable HHL on the ASL medal AND a halfway reasonable price on it, the countdown to the frenzy would be starting now.
    If anyone from the Mint ever reads their customer comments here, perhaps they’ll rethink future ASL releases (including the forthcoming set of 4). Maybe they hope to learn something with the unlimited mintage and high price, but perhaps they could have learning more if they’d established an introductory price, like they do for commemoratives–something like $47.95 might have yielded useful information.
    Alas…

  57. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093
    Zephin 21,100
    BigC 9,321
    Sith 7,000
    So Krates 18,600
    You Can’t See Me 13,111
    Xena 14,525
    gatortreke 9,999
    Mike the Greek 22,607
    paddy 15,535

  58. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:

    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093
    Zephin 21,100
    BigC 9,321
    Sith 7,000
    So Krates 18,600
    You Can’t See Me 13,111
    Xena 14,525
    gatortreke 9,999
    Mike the Greek 22,607
    paddy 15,535
    Mark Rex 10,000

  59. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:
    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093
    Zephin 21,100
    BigC 9,321
    Sith 7,000
    So Krates 18,600
    You Can’t See Me 13,111
    Xena 14,525
    gatortreke 9,999
    Mike the Greek 22,607
    paddy 15,535
    Mark Rex 10,000
    Tinto 18,888

  60. earthling says

    Are they gone Yet? I know there’s an unlimited item mintage, no HHL, and no reasonable issue price, but is there a very small initial Stockpile? If there was a very fast “item not available” the hype generated might serve to fuel a feeding frenzy . 😨

    There could be enough artificial Illogical demand to drive this baby to a 500,000 mintage. 💀

  61. KEITHSTER says

    Are they sold out yet? Oh I mean will they ever with no edge letters or purity or weight ! So it flies on design alone the only thing going for it is the high price maybe that is what the mint is counting on way to go mint? Good Luck To Us All “>”>”>

  62. fmtransmitter says

    MarkInFlorida says
    JUNE 13, 2017 AT 11:11 PM

    A prominent dealer at the January F.U.N. show also told me lots of old us gold ($20s) are coming back from Europe and premiums were dropping. He said it might be politics, but SK is probably more right.

    I disagree: It is cryptocurrency. It is the future of currency hands down and IMHO, every single one of you should at the very least, own some Ether to fuel this leveling of the playing field and put the power back into the people’s hands instead of the governments and the Fed and Banks….Get in NOW
    I like Gemini for buy and hold for Bit and Ether and Bittrex for Alt Coins

  63. fmtransmitter says

    John Q. Coinage says
    JUNE 13, 2017 AT 1:52 PM

    CAG et al., the generic OLD US gold is popping up quit a bit, prices on slabbed St’s are close to what a new Au Eagle, it would seem to be a no brainer,- but maybe people want an Once of AU, not a piece of original coinage. I sold some gold this week, last time I got like $500 more per AGE, sold one @ $1,754 to say I did. As an ‘addic’ I always think gold/silver will always go up & be a good investment…who knows….I have relatives investing in BIT COins & other such cyber/cryto currencies, no thanks…..as most here I prefer physical possession of something of value…..old school I guess!

    100% disagree, and this has ALL I have been studying for months!

  64. fmtransmitter says

    earthling says
    JUNE 13, 2017 AT 12:55 PM

    Dan Carrs Moonlight Mint just put up a bunch of 2017 New Product early this morning. I’ve ordered a bunch of Clark & Gruber Colorado Gold pieces and a few cool Silver items. These are delightful alternatives to the dreary US Mint trinkets.

    Congrats, post a link if you can to the new offerings or actual photos of your catch…

  65. Sith says

    @fmtransmitter – So your saying Europeans (banks?), are selling gold and buying cryptocurrency?

  66. John Q. Coinage says

    fm not sure what you disagree with “all”.. that gold was $500 more a few years ago……anyway several posters confirm buying $20 slabbed gold for close to price of new Eagles, I don’t know squat about the cyber coins except people tout them….I have spoken w/people who know & they can still be created (MINED….bit coin$) & thereby dilute the value. They are not limited in nature, those in the KNOW can make them as far as I know, not easy, byut not impossible … so, Kind of like shares of stocks, a value, only what people put on it & essentially a piece of paper> or an electronic memory…cyber currency. Seems akin to the old Pyramid those @ the base do fine. I prefer physical assets, land, precious metals, water, guns, food……having my assets in cyber form or a cloud does not do much for me….as many people are asking me about putting $ into these cyber currencies it would appear to be “late”

  67. Scott says

    Latest sales numbers show the Proof Gold Eagle 1 ounce outselling the PC Anniversary coin by almost 60 units in the past week. I predict the anniversary coin to be “dead in the water” at 25,000 units.

  68. earthling says

    As my late Dad would say, Phooey on Crytocurrencies. I think I’ll start buying cases of Bush’s Baked Beans and maybe some Top Ramen and maybe cases of Green Beans. Crytocurrencies truly are ALL like ether. Food you can actually eat. Not so any currency or PM.

  69. isp_stuff says

    @John Q. Coinage

    Just a thought,
    another dealer had 48 rolls and some additional singles last night, I bought a tube of 10.
    went back this morning and they were listed as sold out. Price last night was $105.50 per coin on these Ozarks 5oz. ATB.

    Think they became a flipper of goods?

    oh and my guess for 2017 silver liberty = 21250

  70. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Launch Week for the American Liberty Silver Medal:
    KCSO 17,000
    cagcrisp 20,157
    Tom 20,158
    John Q. Coinage 11,300
    Alex in MA 27,000
    Throckmorton 14,150
    Joe M. 32,345
    Johnaz 36,000
    Montana John 16,470
    Dustyroads 27,500
    Stipey 22,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA 24,000
    Asherspapa 18,500
    Karl Meyer 18,000
    Barry 15,500
    Mattarch 9,900
    Don 36,000
    CF 22,500
    DBR 22,000
    Tom P. -MA 12,500
    earthling 39,093
    Zephin 21,100
    BigC 9,321
    Sith 7,000
    So Krates 18,600
    You Can’t See Me 13,111
    Xena 14,525
    gatortreke 9,999
    Mike the Greek 22,607
    paddy 15,535
    Mark Rex 10,000
    Tinto 18,888
    isp_stuff 21,250

  71. MarkInFlorida says

    Hey, where’s the frenzy of people posting their order numbers and complaining how hard it was to get through the order process. Did anyone buy one? I’m not buying this ugly medal and I’m not buying crypto currencies that can disappear to a hacker or a power outage. I was gold and silver I can hold in my hand. And stack in nice neat piles!

  72. cagcrisp says

    So Far…

    Top to Bottom…

    $22 Move in Gold prices because of inflation numbers and Yellen Q&A…

    Yellen…Still answering questions…

  73. Dustyroads says

    Three plus hours since the last post, maybe I should lower my guesstimate….

    And correct me if I’m wrong, but there have been 0 comments having to do with the Pt release.

    Not to mention that MNB didn’t even cover the release of the much anticipated medal. All this is beginning to feel like a long holding pattern.

  74. sharks2th says

    This warning from the Texas AG in Coin World concerning investments in precious metal coins looks like it is beginning to apply to Mint products like the medals:

    “Paxton’s advisory cautions consumers and investors: “If coins you bought as an investment would have to double or triple in value before any gain could be realized, you may have been a victim of fraud.””

  75. sharks2th says

    @Dusty – There was some discussion of the upcoming APE Proof in first 100 comments in the previous article.

  76. earthling says

    Buying and selling US Mint Coins to whomever used to buy and sell them …. sort of ceased to be a lively topic after the economic collapse of 2008. My Auto Plant in Delaware shut down operations in December 2008. As an Electrician, I was able to hang on to the end of January 2009 and then , I too took a final walk out the gates. I had a transfer application in and after a couple months was instructed to report to my current location in Michigan. Cool , I thought to myself.

    My report date was May 11, 2009. Before that date, the Corporation entered Bankruptcy . Oops! All transfer deals were off!

    After a few weeks.. or was it a few months… the Corporation emerged like a Phoenix… reborn…. reinvented even. I soon got a new report date of June 30, 2009.

    The rest is history as they say. Well it ain’t over till it’s over… and it’s started all over again. Currently my Plant is shutting down and relocating 8 miles to the north. What happens to everyone currently building our product is unknown. Some will follow the vehicle to the future location. Some will stay behind and help build new future products. But first we need to reconfigure/rebuild this old plant. This old girls been around since about 1928…. rebuilding could be a really involved project.

    Looks like my futures up in the air again. Only way to take it is one day at a time… at least after about November. Until then it’s balls to the wall building Trucks. Seven and 12’s … if I wanted them. But… I don’t want them. A body .. and mind can only do it for so long – then it needs a rest. 😥

  77. Gary says

    The platinum proof 2017 eagle is just a big “so what!” with the recycling the original 1997 reverse design. Absolutely no effort undertaken by the U.S. Mint. Not interested in it.

  78. KC&SO says

    Well put Gary,

    I suspect the majority of us ‘former’ APE collectors feel the same.

    I’ll buy this year’s APE, as it’ll serve as my ceremonial last.

    With the designs of 2018 thru 2020, news lows will abound, and no one will care.

  79. KC&SO says

    So, who all threw down 60 bucks on this much anticipated medal?

    8-9 years reading this blog and I believe this is the first time, EVER, there’s never been a ‘I bought it’ post

    I’m going to buy one, in 2018.., for $27.

    In 2018, if not sooner, I’ll buy a few of those silver Krugs for $27 too

  80. KC&SO says

    Up on the docket next.., the much anticipated two offerings we know nothing about –

    – The 225th Unc Set – clad or PM? Prob clad

    – Fractional Buffs – 4 coins sets, anything special, or just individuals???

    Then it’s a wrap, Happy Collecting!

  81. earthling says

    I might consider buying a 2017 Silver Medal…….. one day. I don’t like the design at all so it would be at 20% or more … under spot. If I never get one … guess every once in a while , I’ll take my saved money and spent it at a good Pizza place ! 😛

  82. earthling says

    This latest release by the US Mint seems to be a big non event. So like what do people think this is – some kind of Medal – or what? I mean this is a Silver thingy, not Brass like one of those Indian Code Talker Medals. 😮

    Speaking of Code Talkers , when is the next one coming out? I got every one of those so far. Love em. They’re Big, Bold, Brass. Really Cool . Really high relief too.

  83. Asherspapa says

    @earthling…Agree about Code Talkers and also wondering about the last two. They’re one of the Mint’s best bargains–as long as you don’t buy them one at a time and incur the Mint’s $4.95 shipping (or worse). Haven’t seen anything about them.

  84. Dustyroads says

    Question to anyone who buys the three AtB P, D, S quarters rolls; do all the different quarters you receive have the same proof like finish as the one I’m seeing on the S quarters?

  85. Scott says

    @ Gary, I agree it’s a huge disappointment but so is everything else from the U.S. mint lately.
    I’ll buy one eventually, at probably $100 over spot.

  86. Dustyroads says

    Since hearing about the possibility of getting Buffalo fraction gold coins this year, I’ve thought that we would have them every year going forward, or at least an intention to do so, but if the CCAC is going to have a meeting this month and discuss fractional gold in 2018, that would make three different types. I just can’t see that happening. So, IF we get the Buffalo fractional gold we’re expecting, it could be a one year offering. That I can see happening.

  87. earthling says

    Asherspapa

    Well I’m glad to hear somebody here likes those big Code Talkers. I was in the Army with a few Indian Guys. They were very low key and down to earth kind of people. Not loud mouthed trouble-makers like so many others. They were really pure spirited great people.

    I still have my Big Brass MACO Apollo 11 Medal I bought in Manhattan around 1971 on a class trip. That was my very first Big Brass Medal. I have a few Big Silver Medals and those are cool also. I just seem to love Big Medals.

    Could the US Mint possibly put out a BIG GOLD Medal for something? That would be so cool. Apollo 11 would be a great event for that but since they already have something planned….

    Come on Mint give us a BIG Gold Medalic Masterpiece. The more expensive, the better. I just love low mintage… anything!

  88. DBR says

    I bought the 225th Anniversary ASL Medal today. I bought my 2017 Silver Proof Set and the 2017 Uncirculated Set to cut down on shipping costs on single product orders. I’m not sold on the design and concept of this series just yet so I thought spending $59 on the ASL medal was better than purchasing the gold $100 coin.

    I may like the medal design a bit better because I like designs struck in silver in general. What I like better in the medal design are Liberty’s neck and shoulders with the tunic. May sound strange but true. I really want to see the eagle on the reverse with the product in hand not just from pictures. $59 is easier than dropping $1,690.

    I can envision the Liberty series in my mind with an Anglo, African-American, Asian, and Native American rendition of Lady Liberty, but this medal will help me make my final decision to collect this series or not.

  89. says

    Ouch!

    Going the wrong direction.., big time!

    Jacqueline Kennedy 2015 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin West Point (W) 73 Item(s) In Stock

  90. Alex in MA says

    I bought couple of Silver Medals, because I like design. I am new to the the hobby (jut since 2013), but I am not going to wait for two years to save $30 per medal. I am taking this risk and I know what risk means (investor in biotechs since 1992)

  91. Just Another Dave In Pa says

    I won’t be getting dragged into this series. It seems straight out of a human resources manual on managing diversity. Diversity, as in “non-white”.

    There’s a not so subtle theme that runs through this series. It’s another case of identity politics run amok. I can’t support social engineering in any form. This series reeks of social engineering and it drags Liberty into the fray to try to bolster a political agenda. The hyphenated Liberty of today doesn’t represent Liberty. She represents a distorted sense of social justice that uses racial issues to divide people.

    Hyphenated Liberty is not a unifying symbol. It’s the exact opposite.

    Next, Liberty will sue for sexual harassment.

    Now back to the Cosby show. I really hope he’s acquitted. That would do a lot to restore my faith in Liberty and Justice.

  92. cagcrisp says

    “KCSO says

    June 15, 2017 at 7:59 am

    Ouch!

    Going the wrong direction.., big time!

    Jacqueline Kennedy 2015 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin West Point (W) 73 Item(s) In Stock”

    It has taken 10 weeks to sell 73 coins…

    …SO…Another 10 weeks…(unless they add more)…

  93. So Krates says

    @ Just Another Dave in PA – While I share your disdain for identity politics, you (and others) seem to be reading a bit more into the Liberty coin than exists. First, there is no mention of her race in the product description or catalog. Where do you find this hyphenated Liberty? There is no hyphen in black , which is the word most blacks use to describe members of their own “race”.

    Not sure why you’d want to support a guy who has been accused by fifty-nine different women of rape/sexual assault/sexual battery/sexual misconduct as well as two fifteen year old girls. Dr. Huxtable has allegedly engaged in this pattern of predatory behavior over the course of four decades (1965-2008). He admitted (under oath) ” that he had used sedatives to help gain their cooperation. He testified that he had obtained Quaaludes from gynecologist Leroy Amar, who knew that Cosby had no intention of taking the drugs himself. Cosby instead intended to give them to women he wanted to have sexual relations with and admitted that he had given the drug to at least one woman and other people. Cosby admitted knowing it was illegal at the time to dispense the drug to other people.”

    If you read the allegations by the sixty-one victims, this public moralist seems to have a very consistent modus operandi of drugging women before engaging in activities. Fat Albert seems obsessed with this behavior. It is so pervades his thinking that the subject even made it onto his comedy album back in 1969, ironically titled It’s True, It’s True .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAorIG6MZnc

    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s really a horse?

  94. Teach says

    Good article Louis! I agree there needs to be a new one. The Mint has issues that need to be addressed.

  95. So Krates says

    @ Louis – Solid critique, thanks.

    One line I found questionable:

    “Mint officials and staff are clearly doing their best…”

    My experience and observations have been different. Sounds like you’re trying to be polite. Any evidence, anecdotes, or arguments supporting this statement would be welcomed.

  96. Louis Golino says

    @ So Krates- Thanks. I have found that in my dealings with folks there that they are hard-working and well-intentioned, but as with many large organizations, problems arise on various fronts. As a customer I have been rather fortunate to receive good quality about 90% of the time and have only returned a couple orders and one was due to some unexpected financial problems. I did once have an issue with getting double billed, but they worked quickly with me to resolve the matter.

  97. Just Another Dave In Pa says

    @ So Krates – Right. It’s not labeled as such and it’s a rather subtle nuance but race is the theme of these medals. The description notes that Liberty is a young African-American woman and in subsequent issues there will be Latino-American, Asian-American and maybe another. Not sure about that.

    I’m very sensitive to the subliminal messages used in advertising and political messages. See the excellent Century Of The Self for the techniques devised for mass persuasion. We’re inundated daily with these techniques to the point where they seem ubiquitous and normalized through repetition.

    And I’m sorry if that seem like I’m trolling here. I don’t see it like that but I guess some people do. Maybe they’re just ignorant as to what constitutes trolling. Anyway, I appreciate your input So Krates. Always interesting.

    The Cos, well. I’ve read the accusations. I’m not at all convinced. Deep pockets will always be targets for these lawsuits. Constand (Howard Stern doppelganger) returned to Cosby’s residence after the alleged assault and brought him gifts.

    I’d be much more sympathetic to the prosecution if these allegations weren’t from decades ago. The Clintons and their apparatchik coined the term “bimbo eruptions” to describe this stuff.

    Cui Bono?

  98. gatortreke says

    @ Louis: nice article. I read your recent story in The Numismatist and came to the exact conclusion you write about in the above linked article, the Mint is desperate for the leadership of a Mint Director and not just any political appointee but someone who also has a foot in the numismatic world so they are sensitive to the changing nature of the industry. I have to say I’m not confident we’ll get a new Director anytime soon.

    @Just Another Dave in PA: the subliminal message I get from your commentary is that only the traditional view of Liberty as a classically dressed white woman is acceptable, anything new can only be considered Liberty in the hyphenated sense. I am a white male (no shocker there given the demographics of the numismatic community) and I rather enjoy the changing faces of Liberty on these new coins and medals as Liberty is a concept and/or philosophy not confined to any particular race or ethnicity. The traditional white population continues to become a smaller proportion of the overall U.S. population and likely will one day not be the majority given current demographic trends. I certainly hope the concept of Liberty won’t be confined to a minority point of view when that day arrives.

  99. Louis Golino says

    Thanks, gatortreke. Good point. I think it is not a coincidence that back when we had that with Moy and had Mercanti as a chief sculptor-engraver (or Elizabeth Jones), things were better esp. in terms of the quality of designs on coins..

  100. So Krates says

    Just Another Dave… – I share your concerns. I think I’ve seen snippets of the piece you mentioned. Reminds me of Chomsky’s, Manufactured Consent , which I think deals with similar issues. I will check it out fo’ sho’.

    I had the exact same realization yesterday concerning the Cosby accuser and the King of All Media, haha! As for who is out to get the old black moralizer? The same folks who framed OJ, and persecuted Michael Jackson for having kiddie sleepovers.

    WRT “bimbo eruptions”… if the shoe fits?! Bubba was a serial philanderer. Notice there were exactly zero.zero “bimbo eruptions” in the eight years President Obama was in office. Say what you will about his policies, it’s hard to argue the previous POTUS didn’t exhibit good character.

  101. gatortreke says

    @ Louis: The Mint really needs someone who can provide a cogent, macro view of the coin universe. Right now I get the sense that decisions are almost made by throwing darts at the dartboard. Your points about mintages and pricing don’t do anything to dissuade me from that view. A well thought out plan would not result in the 12,500 mintage for the medals last year and an unlimited number this year. It does nothing to further the series and leads me to think they are winging it as they go rather than having a plan they are following.

    All that said above and despite my belief the medals will never be a good “investment”, I bought a pair yesterday because I’m one of the few who like them and the whole changing nature of Liberty designs. I haven’t been able to rationalize a purchase of the gold coin so the silver medals will have to suffice for now.

  102. Sith says

    @Louis Golino – As usual, nice article

    @gatortreke – Hear, hear! But DNFTT

    @So Krates – Cosby settled out of court, then “demanding that the accuser in his criminal case repay a confidential sex-abuse settlement because she cooperated with police who reopened the case and arrested him last year. ” But “any such prohibition would amount to obstruction on the part of the lawyers who drafted the document.” Sounds guilty to me. Anyway its attitudes like yours that allowed Cosby to get away with this for years, and the police only took it seriously when a male brought it to the public’s attention. BTW Hannibal Buress had nothing to do with OJ, or Michael Jackson.

  103. cagcrisp says

    1/10 oz. Gold American Liberty coin…

    …HOWEVER…

    Instead of it being a $5.00 it will be $10.00

    Just Another in Yet to be Determined list of Gimmicks to sell One Off’s.

    You either do an Unlimited List of Different designs with Lower and Lower Mintages such as Perth, the Royal Mint or the RCM …

    …OR…You do what the US Mint does and creates the SAME designs and you change Mint Marks, Finishes, or Denominations.

    It ALL amounts to the same thing…Zero sum game…You pay money for Gimmicks and the Mint collects it…

    http://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/2017/06/2018-american-liberty-fractional-gold-10-dollars.html

  104. Louis Golino says

    If it is HR and proof and costs no more than $200, I’d be down for one. But I am not sure if they can do HR that small. 1/4 would have been the sweet spot. Anyway, it’s just a proposal. No decisions have been made.

  105. cagcrisp says

    SO…

    In 2018 you will have a $5.00 Bullion 1/10 oz. Gold AGE, a 1/10 oz. $5.00 numismatic Proof AGE and a 1/10 oz. $10.00 American Liberty design (don’t know the finish, the Mint mark, high relief or not).

    I can tell you that IF it is produced it WILL be a numismatic offering because the Mint NEEDS the revenue/profit.

    Let’s see the 1 oz. Gold American Liberty is currently $1,690.00, the proof 1/10 oz. AGE is currently $180.00…

    …SO…My Guess for a Proof 1/10 oz. Gold American Liberty (or whatever) High relief (or whatever) will be $200.00…

    You Guys are Underestimating how many Love the American Liberty Design…

  106. Dustyroads says

    I can’t help but to wonder if the proposal to produce 1/10 oz gold Liberties in 2018 using the same design used this year is an attempt to create more sales of the 2017 HR Liberty, or it’s just an addition.

  107. Buzz Killington says

    I will be the first to say that Bill Cosby is a miserable, terrible human being, based on the media-available anecdotal evidence.

    I am less convinced of the value of prosecuting a 79 year old with public monies. It does smack of a political stunt used by a DA to win an election. Whatever the statute of limitations is, twelve years is too long to have a meaningful prosecution for this sort of thing. The end result is likely to be a huge waste of taxpayer dollars, and an undeserved non-conviction, because too much time has passed.

    Cosby’s well-deserved punishment is the public’s knowledge that he is a serial rapist who took advantage of his celebrity. I think another great sentence would be for “Doctor” Cosby to be administered sodium pentothal, and then to sit for a Howard Stern interview.

  108. cagcrisp says

    ^ In my Above comment it should read “…SO…My Guess for a Proof 1/10 oz. Gold American Liberty (or whatever) High relief (or whatever) will be $225.00…”

  109. TemplePriestess says

    Thank you for the link Louis Golino. Considering Miss Liberty’s history can be traced back to the Indian princess, its interesting how people refuse to see any other variation of her other than white. The Secret Life Of Lady Liberty is also a great book that someone on this site turned me onto.

  110. Louis Golino says

    Actually, as my article explains, images of Liberty as a Native American man (buffalo nickel) and woman (many examples as discussed in the piece) are widely praised as some of our best designs. Look how popular the Native American dollars are compared to any other modern clad dollar apart from Eisenhower, for example.

  111. John Q. Coinage says

    Are there any #s on the AG 225th Anniv. medal ? Seems like it might be good for the 1/1o au, but kind of getting to be a running issue now maybe? As to Liberty, the Capital Dome has a native American as “Liberty”

  112. Sith says

    @Buzz Killington – It maybe a political stunt but:

    2000 – Lachele Covington who appeared on the Cosby’Show, files a police report claiming Cosby, who offered her career advice over dinner at his New York townhouse, “put her hand under his t-shirt and guided it south toward his sweatpants. The cops never questioned much less charge Cosby. The New York District Attorney declined to prosecute the case against the star. They even omitted his name to protect his celebrity status.

    2005- Andrea Constand, the former Temple University administrator filed a criminal complaint, but a County District Attorney said he “finds insufficient, credible and admissible evidence exists upon which any charge against Mr. Cosby could be sustained beyond a reasonable doubt.” The case was dropped. Andrea then filed a civil suit against Cosby. 13 women came forward to collaborate her account (only one publicly). Cosby settles the case.

    2015 – Nobody cared until Hannibal Buress slams Cosby. Public gets interested and, over 30 other women come forward to substantiate the claim. Files are charged that year.

    IMHO they dropped the ball, and are simply making up for lost time.

  113. Tom says

    We’ve progressed, but are still STUCK in too much of our past. I for one applaud the Mint releasing coins or medals that depict who we are today. No more coins that look like some white man wearing a powdered wig designed them .

  114. Mint News Blog says

    Hi folks — Louis Golino has a new article on Coin Update you might enjoy: https://goo.gl/tbwYzg

    Also, I’ll go ahead and confess that I bought an American Liberty medal. I hope to try my hand at an unboxing video; I’m also accumulating different macro-photography devices I’d like to try out and review for the site. Fingers crossed…

  115. So Krates says

    @ Sith – My apologies for not being clear. I was very critical of Just Another Dave’s support for Bill C. Don’t know if you missed that post (seems to be a lot of posting before reading previous comments going on lately) but it was pretty clear I think he is most likely guilty. Unlike Buzz K., I don’t give any weight to him being a senior citizen or the expenditure of public funds on the trial. I’d like to see him behind bars. My tongue in cheek remark about OJ and MJ was purely in response to Another Dave’s question, “Cui bono?” and I should have followed it with a winking emoticon. Nobody framed OJ and nobody persecuted MJ and nobody is out to get Fat Albert. All three ended up in predicaments of their own making.

  116. So Krates says

    $200 sounds about right as they will most likely be struck on the same planchets used for the golden WHL dime. The only one I want is the silver RP.

  117. Qui Transtulit Sustinet says

    I feel a majority of the 26, 833 silver Liberty medals sold yesterday went to dealers (for grading, as Louis pointed out above) or flippers. I expect large numbers to show up as future returns to the Mint. At $59.95 plus shipping for one ounce of silver, many will cherry pick and even collector buyers will be more selective about quality (both medal and packaging) than usual.

    Since I am a (medal) collector, not a flipper, I will wait for a lower secondary market price to get one or more.

    Meanwhile, I have put my collecting dollars toward alternative (non-US Mint) coin, medal and bullion purchases, including @ earthlings route— buying a couple of Daniel Carr’s beautiful Moonlight Mint/Clark Gruber offerings (one each in silver and gold so far).

  118. Buzz Killington says

    I can’t believe the Mint sold so many of these $60 silver medals, which I like, but which seem awfully expensive to me — and I held my nose and paid the Mint’s premiums for coin with a priest on it.

    @SK — I have shed precisely zero tears for Bill Cosby, and agree he is in a predicament of his own making. Nevertheless, I am not a believer in retributive justice. The fact that Cosby’s victim in this case has already received compensation from him, together with the fact that he is not likely to further disrupt the social order due to his age and reputation, do not implicate the goals of prosecution, in my opinion.

    I am more of a libertarian in this respect — it is better from 10 guilty men to go free than 1 innocent imprisoned, and all that.

    I also think the risk of trying this case after all this time runs a significant risk of giving him undeserved vindication. It is just too hard to get a conviction of this sort after so much time has gone by.

  119. Buzz Killington says

    @Sith —

    “Stunt” may be the wrong word, but the new DA ran on the platform of prosecuting Cosby.

    In one sense, prosecuting him looks like the will of the people, which is good.

    On the other hand, the DA is supposed to operate independently of the passions of the masses in exercising his discretion.

    I think it is also important to remember that in 2005-07, before Hannibal Burress opened the floodgates, it would have been hard to get a conviction of Bill Cosby by a woman who sued him. In other words, Cosby’s reputation was much more intact then than it is now, and the decision not to prosecute then might have very well been the right one at that time.

  120. earthling says

    This stuff about the ethnic Liberties is getting out of hand. Now they want to put out a smaller Gold version? Sounds like BS to me.

    If they really want to make this new image of Liberty accessible to the masses they need to get off this kick about overpriced Gold and Silver junk. How about ditching the Kennedy Half – which everyone is tired of anyway and come out with a 225th Liberty Half Dollar? Of course seeing the way things have gone , they’d want $29.95 each for the Clad treasures.

    I say strike up 225,000,000 and put them out there at face value ! Make this a 225th Anniversary that EVERYONE will remember.

    Forget all that overpriced PM “Old White Man Feed” . Put out some Nacho Chips , Potatoe Chips, Pretzels, Popcorn, and Lolipops…. for everyday citizens !

    💃👪👲👷

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