Mint posts catalog images of 2017-P American Liberty silver medal


Update: As of Friday morning, May 19, the Mint has corrected the catalog listing to indicate the medal is from the Philadelphia Mint. 

Earlier today the U.S. Mint posted the first formal catalog images of the 2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary silver medal—the first of five medals, in four different finishes, to be released this year. The only one of these medals to be sold individually, according to a report by Coin World, is a Proof from the Philadelphia Mint. The other four medals, available only in a set, are to be a Philadelphia Reverse Proof strike, a San Francisco Proof strike, aDenver Uncirculated strike, and a West Point Enhanced Uncirculated strike.

When the Mint updated its calendar to include June 2017 releases, the American Liberty silver medal was scheduled for the 14th. The mint was listed as West Point, which stirred some speculation as to a possible change in the Mint’s plans. The images posted today, however, have a P mintmark in the lower left field on the reverse. It’s unclear whether “West Point” in the listing is an error, or the P-mintmarked image is serving as a placeholder until the W medals can be photographed. Mint News Blog has emailed the Mint’s Office of Corporate Communications and will post an update when we hear back.

The obverse and reverse (zoomable):



Slider images comparing the 2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary gold coin and silver medal designs:

2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary coin-medal comparison - obverse
2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary coin-medal comparison - obverse - coin
2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary coin-medal comparison - obverse - medal
2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary coin-medal comparison - reverse
2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary coin-medal comparison - reverse - coin
2017 American Liberty 225th Anniversary coin-medal comparison - reverse - medal

Mint News Blog sponsor APMEX has the 2016 American Liberty silver medal, from both the S and W mints, in stock now.

And since we’re already here, the medal in its packaging, with booklet:


And the booklet by itself, confirming the impression from the image above that the medal on the cover does, indeed, look a bit odd—but perhaps it’s just the photo:


What do you think? Will you be queuing up for the single medal and/or the four-medal set?   ❑


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  1. Goat says

    Medal’s will be priced like bullion when sold. I will buy more ASE bullion it’s cheaper.

  2. gatortreke says

    I will be purchasing the single and the set. Yes, I know these are not coins and therefore the resale market may be limited but I like the design and the fact they match (well, almost, essentially similar) the Liberty gold coin.

  3. gatortreke says

    BTW Diana, I like the sliding comparison images above. It’s a nice feature.

  4. Goat says

    I found my first “P” cent. Many “D” found and only one “P”
    The 2009 nickel and dime are still in strong hands.

  5. Xena says

    Diana – love that slider! I’m in for 1 or 2 of each. Not sure I need all that packaging for a medal, but it is what it is.

  6. says

    That scrolling comparison feature is awesome! Like that a lot.

    The photo of the Reverse within the book shows a ‘P’

  7. TemplePriestess says

    Recently got to hold the gold liberty version. Its a beautiful coin, so I’m thinking maybe I’ll go off track and get the medals.

  8. So Krates says

    I only want the medal in RP. It looked impressive in the coin show photos. Too bad it won’t be offered as a stand alone.

  9. So Krates says

    @ earthling – I don’t think characterizing the entire bourse as being crooked because you couldn’t find a higher price for your 17RFs is fair. First, you were a bit early in the cycle. Second, a local coin show is not usually the best place to move modern coins. I recently went to a regional show and only a handful of dealers were even aware of the “S” proof, let alone aggressively buying. This is always the case…just try selling some Coin and Chronicles sets, you’ll get lots of weird looks and few if any offers. It tends to be a narrow market. In order to flip moderns for top dollar without using eBay, one needs to identify the group of buyers who make a market for these and try to work with them, e.g., I received an offer of $100-$105 from Apmex. Incidentally, I did meet one guy who claimed he knew a dealer who ordered 10,000 units!

  10. So Krates says

    Earlier today Apmex had less than eighty Freddie ATBs in stock…now there are 267 available ?!

  11. So Krates says

    One aspect that stood out in those old Buffalo Nickel critiques was the focus on the initial(s). The VDB “scandal” was in the coin zeitgeist and personalities and egos were probably front and center. While I prefer the clean look of the medal’s reverse compared to the cluttered coin, the mintmark and two sets of initials float ungracefully, pestering the eagle in flight. There are four sets of initials with nine letters. Shrink them down and place them off to the side together – much less prominent if at all possible. We might do well to reach back and resist the vanity.

  12. data dave says

    @Old Big Bird – Sales of the 2016 S mint quarters fell off the table this past week. The first 4 issues combined sold less than 600 total compared to about 1000/week for each.

  13. gatortreke says

    I have to agree with So Krates that the placement of the initials on the medals is the least attractive part and could have been done more judiciously, at the least by placing them near and parallel to the rim.

  14. The Real "Cool" Brad says

    The photo of the medal on the cover of the booklet looks considerably different than the actual metal, with a chin dimple, eyebrow shading and the pleats in the clothing. Maybe it was an earlier rendering. Looks very angry.

  15. Doug says

    Did you check how many Monster Boxes or Sets of 10 Freddies that APMEX had available too. When you checked they likely had less than 80 left of Individual coins but as they sell out they likely break open a box. A bit tricky or confusing but it is the same thing I would do if I owned a business. They didn’t tell you that is all they had it was just the number your computer would allow you to buy at that time.

    I appreciate the heads up that Freddies may sell out soon as I had not ordered mine yet. Able to get in on the presale for Ozarks too! Thanks MNB for keeping me informed!!

  16. So Krates says

    @ Doug – Good points. I didn’t see any boxes for sale there but they do have two rolls left. Now the singles show 311. So 331 total. They are buying at $94 (more than ASEs) so maybe that’s where the increases are coming from.

  17. Scott says

    As with the previous HR design, for some reason this design looks better in the silver version.

  18. Old Big Bird says

    data dave – as always thank you for your input. I have been following the Unc “S” and what started in 2012 at 1,679,240 is now mostly under the 1,000,000 mark. The 2016′ are just limping in over 1 mil. and the 2017 are off to a slow start. There is a big chance they will not exceed 1 mil. Maybe Ellis Island might go over the 1 mil.

  19. Dustyroads says

    Agree, the small mint marks are hanging in a large field looking out of place. It reminds me of the Wedge Tailed Eagle design Mr. Mercanti sent to the Australian mint with his initials hanging in the center of the space below the eagles bung as though the eagle had relieved itself. The Aussies didn’t like it and moved it to the stump. I don’t know, I would put it close to the subject material where it can blend. Even if some think it’s intrusive, it looks better.

  20. Dustyroads says

    Old Big Bird, Ive been wondering if someone in the mint has decided to leave the “S” quarters up for sale longer. I would like to be able to fill in my final mintage #’s for Shawnee.

  21. Brad says

    I know it’s a gimmick, but I still buy those APMEX “Mint Direct” rolls when I buy the 5 oz. silver coins from them. I like that labeled plastic seal around the roll. They’re reputable enough that I believe them when they say the roll has never been opened. Still, I know there’s no guarantee that the coins contained inside wouldn’t fall into their “scruffy” category if opened and examined!

  22. Old Big Bird says

    Dustyroad – The problem is we never know what the production numbers are from the mint BIG SECRETS
    Between 04/16 and 04/23 sold 460 between 04/23 & 04/30 sold 400 between 04/30 7 05/07 sold 200
    and between 05/07 & 05/14 sold 220. So basically week by week the sales are slowing. BUT how many did they product?????

  23. Dustyroads says

    Old Big Bird, In reference to talking to the mint specialist via the chat box…all these people know is if your order has been received. Wanting anything more in depth than that will only get you more grief.
    I lean towards believing that the mint heads intentionally don’t want to say too much. I think it’s a side effect of an ever increasing information age. Honestly, those people must be inundated with hate mail.

  24. Tinto says

    Yup the placement of the mint mark and the initials for the reverse is distracting from the eagle .. IMO .. by the way these initials and the mint mark as placed look like biting insects trying to target the eagle which is getting hurriedly out of their way … all IMO …

  25. David says

    This medal and the gold coin are just plain ugly and has NO eye appeal to me.. The reverse is NOT bad though.

  26. Buzz Killington says

    @SK —

    I had to look up “quartered on the port side” which went over my head entirely. Impressive.

    I think, incidentally, that you are a good illustration of why off topic comments are so important to this blog. I don’t just want to know what people think, I want to know something about the people who are doing the thinking.

    There are a lot of interesting characters on this blog, which is one of the reasons I keep coming back, and have been now for almost 10 years, as crazy as that seems to type.

    ON TOPIC: I think the reason that Mint silver medals are not historically collected much is (1) not being in the Red Book and generally being hard to get info about; and (2) a very sporadic issue schedule.

    If, as has been predicted, the new USM “gimmicks” consist of medals, I wonder if they will be considered regular members in the pantheon of moderns.

  27. bigguy says

    guy on ebay selling presale silver liberty medals ,limited he says $139.00 , not for me !!

  28. Teach says

    225th Anniversary American Liberty Silver Medal

    Item Number: 17XB
    Mintage Limit: None
    Product Limit: None
    Household Order Limit: None

    Looks like there will be plenty for everyone…….

  29. mgm says

    Teach says
    MAY 20, 2017 AT 8:21 AM

    225th Anniversary American Liberty Silver Medal

    Item Number: 17XB
    Mintage Limit: None
    Product Limit: None
    Household Order Limit: None

    Looks like there will be plenty for everyone…….

    And now with that information , my purchase.?


  30. Erik H says

    As long as the single Liberty medal is priced the same or lower than a proof ASE, I will buy a few. The price was pretty good last year but I have a feeling they will raise it this year because of the packaging & quick sell out last year.

  31. Larry says

    It’s a shame these are medals instead of coins. Probably because it takes an act of Congress for the mint to make a sliver coin. I’m sure the mint would sell a lot more if these were coins.
    I will pass on this one, but the 4 coin set will be a tough decision. I love the enhanced unc coins, and I have all the mint has made. But these are medals, not coins.
    The only medals I have came with the C&C sets with the RP dollars in them. I must admit, the silver medals in those are really nice. However, if they did not come with the set, I would never have purchased them.
    It may just come down to cost. If the set is around $125 or so, maybe. I don’t thin 4 ounces of silver is worth more than that.

  32. KML in KY says

    Brad – I too buy the “MintDirect” tubes from APMEX as they come out and have since 2011. I just pre-ordered a tube of Ozark Riverways. It’s my favorite way to stack silver bullion.

    Teach – Thanks for the update. I’m not surprised. The Mint seems to go from one extreme to the other. I ‘ll be on vacation 6/14. At least I won’t have to worry about being on the computer at noon that day like I was with the 2016 medals.

  33. cagcrisp says

    I Don’t believe the listing on the medals. No pricing. Just a place holder. No way they will be MTD…

  34. HarryB says

    Off Topic: @cag: will the warming relations with Saudi Arabia strengthen the US Dollar or slow the drive to replace the US Dollar as the international trade currency?

  35. cagcrisp says

    @HarryB, There has Only been 1 country that has mattered in my lifetime and there is Only 1 country that will matter until the day I die.

    The Entirety of the EU isn’t even close to the US.

    The USD will be the de facto currency in my lifetime. The Euro is only in the shape it is because of Brexit, France, Italy, Greece…etc.

    IF populism runs it’s course then the Euro should strengthen vs. the USD. IF populism gains momentum and eventually the EU breaks apart then that would only strengthen the USD. The key to the USD is what happens in the EU…

  36. HB Guy says

    Reasons not buy:

    1. Way too expensive;
    2. Way too many struck/minted;
    3. Way too little appreciation potential;
    4. Way too ugly obverse;
    5. Way too many politically correct designs and themes from the USM.

    Reasons to buy:


  37. MarkInFlorida says

    Sorry, I just don’t find this attractive, besides being overpriced. I’ll buy more bullion this week.

  38. SilverChronic says

    Think I’ll wait for the set later this year. I don’t need the P mint mark single for set completion.

  39. earthling says

    The Mint needs to do a creative ad campaign for their current offerings. They need to market their current line as ” Ugli Mod ” – the coolest hippest most happening ugg on earth.

    If it catches on…… someone will reap big bonuses. 💩

  40. David says

    Has anyone noticed that the 2017 ASE, a domestic bullion coin has a higher premium than its Canadian counterpart the 2017 SML? Why is this?

  41. HarryB says

    @David: because buyers will pay a higher premium over spot for the American ASE than the Canadian SML. Sometimes the market place is not logical, it just is what it is. The pricing relationship above spot for the American ASE has been that way since I purchased my first roll of ASEs in 1991. Harry

  42. So Krates says

    “Why is this?”

    Well it’s not because the SMLs have two cents more silver in them.

    Most likely the higher retail cost is caused by the difference in premiums that the Authorized Purchasers pay the mints per coin. I believe they pay the US Mint $2 over spot price per coin. I assume the cost is less at the RCM.

  43. VA Bob says

    I bought the complete 2003 National Wildlife Medal set. First one (Bald Eagle) had a 35k mintage, last three had 25k mintage. They were the first modern silver medals issued by the Mint and the first to use lasers in their creation (with challenges for the Mint). It was nerve wracking trying to get them all as sales were hot and I believe they all sold out quickly. They are spectacular front and back. Nicer overall IMO than the 2017 silver medal. Today they are worth a little more than there 2003 issue price of $29.50 (The average silver price in 2003 was $4.85 per ounce). I’m going to say no thanks to these medals. Had they put a dollar on it, I’d have picked up one. Not in the game to sell (yet anyway), but also not going to toss good money after bad on so so designed medals that ride on PM prices. Bullion works the same for less.

  44. data dave says

    Coin production slowed in April, might indicate a slowing economy.

    What happens to all the halves and dollars that are minted but not sold?

  45. cagcrisp says

    Cherry picked results from Yesterday for the 2017S American Silver Eagle

    PCGS PR69DCAM sold yesterday for $100.01

    Box of 10 sold for $1,075.00

    By the Fourth of July Less than $100 OGP will be Available

    Still WAY to early to cover my shorts…

  46. johnaz says

    One flipper on the bay sold over 300 sets of the 2017-S silver eagle ogp for about 135.00 each. I like to know how they got over 300 set in the frist weeks.

  47. cagcrisp says

    AM Gold Fix $1,255.25
    PM Gold Fix $1,258.85

    Still in line for a Mint Gold increase on Wednesday…

  48. KCSO says

    Silver Liberty medal price should hit on the Federal Register within the next 9 business days..,

    Due to the Proof finish, high end box and booklet, I’ll throw down on a $39.95 to $44.95 price range for the ‘P’ medal.

    If it comes in at $34.95, the price of last year, then we all got screwed by a jacked up margin and the mint could have sold the ’16 medal for a less.

    Though, if the mint were to forecast selling 100,000 to 200,000 of the medals, then the volume along would help to keep an associated cost increase negligible.

    If the above article holds true, then these will be available for 2 years +

    Like in 2020 😉

  49. earthling says

    If this Coin and Medal had looked a bit more like that Pancake Lady I’d be in line with my Truck. Me and Mabel would be pitchin em in by the heapin shevelfull.

    We both jes loves them Pancakes. And so dont everyone we knows.

  50. Teach says

    Thanks for the link KCSO to the article about the no limits on this coin. Good to know what I posted earlier was correct.

  51. cagcrisp says

    @KCSO, Not worth a ‘flip’ IF CW article is correct

    Just Overpriced spot silver…

  52. Dustyroads says

    No ordering limits doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. The USM does covet these pieces.
    Issues like the 2014 JFK and the Ronald Reagan Coin and Chronicles are not meant for flipping, but collecting.
    The USM is making a statement with this black Liberty, and they will make sure she is not dishonored by making her the subject of a profit potential. If you own one, then cherish it. Be thankful the fight to get out of the stone age goes on!

  53. KCSO says

    Cag – Yup.., expensive bling, bling.

    VA Bob – thanks for sharing the history on the Wildlife/TR medals, I wasn’t collecting in earnest at that time and I had always wondered how that unfolded. I like those a lot and own a couple.

    I’ll run with the baton now and share my own medal experience –

    I passed on the September 2011 medals that had an introductory price of $57, and increased to $67 ( No way could I justify the price at the time.

    In October of last year, I picked up both medals for $27 each.

    I’ll still pick up a couple of ’17 medals because that’s what I do.., & it beats blowing it on something else less worthless. None-the-less, if it’s Mint-To-Demand for these medals, in 36 months they’ll maintain $7 to $10 over spot, and tied to spot.

    So my experience aligns pretty much with yours.

  54. KCSO says

    I sense the 2018 White Budget will be a frequent topic on this blog for the coming months.., Oh Boy, we go!

  55. Barry says

    It is too bad the USM didn’t do the same with the prior silver Liberty , Minting only half as many (25k) silver as the gold was a joke and a insult to the customer in more ways than one.

  56. Yes, But...You Can't Take It With You says

    KCSO: I bought one of each mint mark of the 2011 medals. Not sure but I think I bought at the introductory price. It’s still one of my fave designs. It’s disappointing to me that there is not more specificity about the victims of the attack, or even the date or that it was an attack. Nonetheless, in terms of artistry and the finishes used it is a strikingly beautiful medal.

    I’m always a bit concerned about buying later because I like to collect in OGP and you never know how beat up the packaging will be years down the road. Did you get yours in OGP?

  57. says

    I did, off the bay, both turned out perfect.

    I scrutinize closely who I buy from on the secondary through reading their reviews and want to see multiple high quality photos of the exact item I’m looking to purchase.

    I prefer to buy from collectors that are offloading their wares, and have yet to be disappointed.

    If a seller cannot offer a good quality photo of the item – then pass.

  58. Yes, But...You Can't Take It With You says

    Thanks, KCSO – that’s good to know. With this particular medal you also have to factor in that silver spot was roughly double (or more – didn’t look up the exact date) that it is now. So basically the medal is still just trading at spot + premium. Perhaps it could move the other direction as well if silver goes way back up.

  59. Louis Golino says

    Someone noted here recently that one of the reasons medals are not as widely collected is that they are not listed in the Red Book. Well, I just received a review copy of the new Mega Red, and there is an appendix with modern medals from the Mint. For some reason, though, it ends with the 9/11 medals rather than the Liberty ones.

  60. cagcrisp says

    16AN 2016 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – FT MLTR 17,098 +22
    17AJ 2017 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – EFF MNDS 14,984 + 110
    17AK 2017 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – DOUGLASS 14,657 + 437

  61. cagcrisp says

    17CA 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD PROOF 1,292 +14
    17CB 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD UNC 1,732 +16
    17CC 2017 BOYS TOWN SILVER PROOF 19,326 +254
    17CD 2017 BOYS TOWN SILVER UNC 8,941 +61
    17CE 2017 BOYS TOWN CLAD PROOF 14,948 +110
    17CF 2017 BOYS TOWN CLAD UNC 13,515 +54
    17CG 2017 BOYS TOWN 3-COIN SET 4,710 +39

    17CH 2017 LIONS CLUBS SILVER PROOF 58,753 +277
    17CJ 2017 LIONS CLUBS SILVER UNC 15,679 + 58

  62. cagcrisp says

    16EA 2016 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ 557,400 + 952

    16EB 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 23,593 + 16
    16EC 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ 5,693 + 11
    16EF 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 4-COIN SET 17,253 +2

    16EG 2016 AM EAGLE SILVER UNC 1 OZ 196,686 +581

  63. cagcrisp says

    16XA 2016 WALKING LIBERTY 24K GOLD .5OZ 63,440 + 91
    16XC 2016 STANDING LIBERTY 24K GOLD .25OZ 89,836 +105

  64. cagcrisp says

    17EA 2017 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ 257,431 + 4,382

    17EB 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 4,852 +242
    17EC 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ 1,000 +25
    17ED 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/4 OZ 1,591 +64
    17EE 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/10 OZ 7,202 +261
    17EF 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 4-COIN SET 6,766 +90

    17EL 2017 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 8,999 1,402

  65. cagcrisp says

    JQ1 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 2,670 +6
    JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 1,873 + 1
    JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – EISENHWR 2,006 + 3
    JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – KENNEDY 6,676 +7
    JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 1,786 +2

    16SA 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – NIXON 2,531 +4
    16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – NIXON 1,618 +1
    16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – FORD 2,340 +4
    16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – FORD 1,606 +1
    16SE 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 3,485 + 7
    16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 1,873 +3

  66. cagcrisp says

    In CY2016 we saw 3 new Low Mintage Wonders for the modern day commemorative program:

    Gold Proof (Twain) 13,266
    Gold Uncirculated (NPS) 5,150
    Clad Uncirculated Half Dollar (NPS) 21,019

    So far in CY2017 we are Trending to break those Low Mintage Wonders with the Boys Town Low Mintage Wonder coins:

    Gold Proof ( BT) 6,002
    Gold Uncirculated (BT) 1,732
    Clad Uncirculated (BT) 13,515

  67. cagcrisp says

    Just How dismal is the sales of the Boys Town Commemoratives?

    Well… 2016 National Parks Service was Dismal and Boys Town is Very Dismal

    Comparison of 11 weeks of National Parks Service vs. 11 weeks of Boys Town:

    Gold Proof:
    NPS ,3616
    BT 1,292
    Variance down 2,324
    Down 64%

    Gold Uncirculated:
    NPS 2,706
    BT 1,732
    Variance down 974
    Down 36%

    Silver Proof:
    NPS 41,562
    BT 19,326
    Variance down 22,236
    Down 54%

    Silver Uncirculated:
    NPS 15,443
    BT 8,941
    Variance down 6,502
    Down 42%

    Clad Proof:
    NPS 28,431
    BT 14,948
    Variance down 13,483
    Down 47%

    Clad Uncirculated:
    NPS 14,550
    BT 13,515
    Variance down 1,035
    Down 7%

    3 coin Proof set:
    NPS 11,406
    BT 4,710
    Variance down 6,696
    Down 59%

  68. cagcrisp says

    There are 7 options for the Boys Town commemoratives

    5 of those Boys Towns options shows Accumulative sales After 11 weeks that did Not exceed Launch Week sales for National Parks Service.

    Launch Week for National Parks Service:


    11 weeks Accumulative sales for Boys Town:

    2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD PROOF 1,292
    2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD UNC 1,732
    2017 BOYS TOWN SILVER PROOF 19,326
    2017 BOYS TOWN SILVER UNC 8,941
    2017 BOYS TOWN CLAD PROOF 14,948
    2017 BOYS TOWN CLAD UNC 13,515
    2017 BOYS TOWN 3-COIN SET 4,710

  69. John Q. Coinage says

    The Congress did a great job of selecting commems for this year, 2 charities, one with a Priest on the $5 coin….Lion’s Club…BOys Town….bombs maybe after they get pulled the low mintage#s will matter, or not, if no one cares about it, who is going to buy it for over spot…….maybe the Unc BT $5 will hit 5k, likely 3,5oo tops…..are there that many ‘serious’ gold collectors of modern mint stuff?? Whats up next year Rotary Club & Diner’s Club….50 years of VISA cards….

  70. You Can't See Me says

    TheRed Books are missing a lot of modern mint medals. I suppose they just want to represent a few recent examples.
    I hope we are not too far away from a Red Book of US Mint medals.

  71. Zaz says

    Hmm… does not look like a $34.95 offering if it comes in that nice box with a descriptive booklet. Plus side is the presentation of the silver medal matches the gold coin presentation, so it’ll be a good consolation prize for those that can’t afford the more expensive gold. I’m guessing it won’t be cheaper than $79.95 because of the special anniversary which was not true of the 2016 medals.

  72. earthling says

    In the recent past, “outsourcing” hit the Auto Industry. Certain Parts and Procedures were handed over to outside Vendors – who built small parts and did sub-assemblies with other small parts. This freed up manpower and supposedly saved money for the investors.

    Is it time for the US Mint to consider outsourcing design and manufacturing of Investor and Collector Coins? Maybe even our so-called Circulation Coins ?

    It’s certainly something for debate.

  73. Einbahnstrasse says

    Cagcrisp pointed out the three “Low Mintage Wonders” from last year:

    Gold Proof (Twain) 13,266
    Gold Uncirculated (NPS) 5,150
    Clad Uncirculated Half Dollar (NPS) 21,019

    Just for the record, the other three low mintages are:

    Clad Proof Half Dollar (Generals) 47,326
    Silver Proof Dollar (Civil Rights) 61,992
    Silver Uncirculated Dollar (Wheelchair) 14,497

    Looks like Boys Town could very well end up breaking five out of the six low mintage records–I doubt the silver unc. comes in lower than 14,497, but the other five could happen.

  74. Gary Not Dave says

    The only chance for theses medals to succeed is if there was going to be a small mintage. And that’s not going to happen.

    The only hope for these medals is for silver prices to rise in the future….there will be zero interest in these a day after they are released!

    26k mintage on all Medals should be mandatory! I will bet that with a made to order Medal these coins wont hit 26k…but if the mint would set a mintage of 26k they would sell out in minutes.

  75. KCSO says

    Given the consistently strong weekly sales of the HR Liberty gold coin over the past 6 weeks, on the assumption that the Silver Liberty medal is priced at or below $39.95,

    I bet the mint sells between 65,000 to 70,000 ‘P’ medals over a 24 month period.

    The 4 coin set is guaranteed to be at least $140, or more. That one will have a considerable price sting to it.

  76. Buzz Killington says

    Re: Mint-issued medals, it is very difficult to find information on the internet about what Mint medals were issued, what is their metal content, what are their dimensions, and what is the mintage and issue limit.

    There are printed books with this information, but not much of this data has migrated to the internet.

    My conclusion as to the reason for this is that no one really cares about medals. I believe, however, that could change if the Mint starts issuing more medals, especially if they have a more modest premium as to spot price from other commem issues. But it also might not change, and all of coin/medal collecting may be in a serious decline, as we live in an increasingly digital and virtual world.

  77. joe#2 says

    Should have been a very special gold/silver proof/unc to commemorate the 100th birthday of President Kennedy. A low mintage keepsake for those that are/were interested. Very sad U.S. Mint.

  78. Louis Golino says

    Some world mints have also issued coins, but I think the Marks medal is nicer at least compared to the coins I have seen so far.

  79. data dave says

    @Old Big Bird – Someone made large purchases of the Harper’s Ferry and Ft. Moultrie S mint quarters with 6780 and 4500 sold last week. Still looks like the Ft. Moultrie will struggle to hit 1M.

  80. Old Big Bird says

    Data dave – Thanks for the info I was busy last night and this morning and I am just pulling down the Mint’s numbers.

  81. John Q. Coinage says

    IMHO the 2017 HR has not had ‘consistently high sales’ more like a snails race to the bottom….. Unlimited AG version will be a decent seller @ first but legs will lack, as people will sell on ebay & supply & demand kicks in, downward to spot…….2017 HR will be lucky to hit 30% of mintage allowance….

  82. Old Big Bird says

    data dave – Yes you are 100% correct. That is an unusual increase in Harper’s Ferry. The Fort Moultrie is still new enough. It was released at the end of the end. There was big moves in Effigy Mounds and Fredrick Douglas but they have basically just been released. It makes me wonder as to how good was the sales numbers on Harper’s Ferry was in the past.

  83. Tinto says

    Just a little experience I had a few days ago … I needed to get some funds quickly and decided to sell off a small gold bar to a coin dealer. I made a small profit but I also had a BHOF $5 unc in OGP and a Mark Twain and NPS $5 unc which I bought from the Mint and received 70’s from PCGS (not first strike) .. I asked the dealer how much he was willing to pay … bottom line .. he was willing to pay a little bit more for the BHOF $5 unc …..

    Didn’t sell the coins ….

  84. You Can't See Me says

    @Joe#2 – the mint has not released their full product schedule for 2017. I still expect some surprises. It is really hard to predict new products unless they are mandated by congress.

  85. cagcrisp says

    “A new modern key coin in two weeks, secondary market price to double?”

    This was a headline post about the 2016 NPS Gold uncirculated

    The last time I posted about the secondary pricing of the NPS Gold uncirculated was in February. It was bad then and it is worse now.

    Over the weekend the Latest true auction on the bay concluded for a NPS Gold uncirculated.

    Final sales price was $448.99 with 15 bids

    Figure in 10% bay fees, 3% pal fees and free shipping and compare that to purchase price

    …SO…This is your modern day Low Mintage Wonder Clubhouse Leader on the Gold uncirculated side.

    This is what you have to look forward to when there is little demand even though it is a Low Mintage Wonder.

    There was little demand while it was alive and there is little demand after it’s death…

  86. cagcrisp says

    As far as the Strength of the 2017 HR Gold is concerned. I thought considering the times we are in that sales of 1,188 coins were exceptionally strong.

    Anytime you can sell $1,948,320 in one week in this environment is exceptional.

    SO far this year the revenue for the 2017 HR Gold has Exceeded Combined Revenue sales for Gold proof 1 oz. , 1/2 oz. , 1/4 oz. , 1/10 oz. and 4 coin set and Both the commemorative Golds.

    SO far Revenue for the 2017 HR Gold has exceeded $35.0 million…

  87. Brad says

    Looks like the 2016 Silver Proof set is “sold out” for real this time. I wonder where the small restock supply after the “currently unavailable” stint a few weeks ago came from? The Mint wasn’t striking 2016 coins this year, so that was weird.

  88. Dustyroads says

    Brad, I’ve wondered if there could have been a packaging delay due to the proofs being made there. Or possibly just returns.

  89. DBR says

    @ David

    “Updates seem kinda slow around here.”

    It does seem like a slow period in the U.S.A. so I’ve been shopping around at the other mints around the world. France and U.K. in particular. Some inspiring and beautiful designs and series out there. OT I know and probably belongs on the other blogs for international coinage.

  90. earthling says

    I was poking around the US Mint website and saw 3 – 2016 Silver Proof Sets available. These are listed as sold out , so if you want em – grab email.

    Also 30 of the Jackie Kennedy BU Gold FS are left. Slowly she marches into the sunset.

  91. Tinto says

    “Over the weekend the Latest true auction on the bay concluded for a NPS Gold uncirculated.

    Final sales price was $448.99 with 15 bids”

    I am glad I bought the NPS and Mark Twain since I liked them and not to make a profit. And I am also glad my buying of modern coins have essentially ended with just the NA $1 C&C sets (if the Mint will issue them ..) and a $1 Moon Landing on the horizon.

    I will sell what is left of my collection not this year but … and I am also glad I have some older coins in the mix, along with some foreign coins. Modern US seems only good for a quick flip profit nowadays IMO ..

    In fact the most $$ I ever made from selling a coin was a Russian 1859 commemorative rouble which I sold in late 2000’s in an auction … bought that in late 1987 from a coin shop for $100 or so and I was staggered when it realized over $5,000 … nothing like that with a US coin …

  92. John Q. Coinage says

    Tinto, maybe in a few years the NPS will go higher, always good to sell when you can make some good $$, I sold several 1999 AG Proof sets @ shows for $300 all day long years ago, now you’re lucky to get $65…the # of true ‘collectors’ is shrinking, and apparently not being replaced…..yike$

  93. earthling says

    Anyone know of anything currently hotter ( not frozen, actually 😦) than Coins? Well we know Wall Street is smokin but … as far as Collectible trinkets…. anything going strong at all?

    Where have all the Pogues gone?

  94. earthling says

    BREAKING NEWS FROM US MINT on those rare SAE’s. Sorry Charly… you got reeled in baby.

    “The U.S. Mint issued a statement May 25 announcing that information Mint officials released March 20 pursuant to a Coin WorldFreedom of Information Act request in February was erroneous concerning tracking numbers that might be able to be used to identify the source Mint facility for boxes of 2015 American Eagle silver bullion coins.

    While the mintage figures reported for 2015 American Eagle silver bullion coins struck separately at the Philadelphia and West Point Mints are correct, details released regarding the tracking numbers on the 500-coin boxes of 20-coin tubes were incorrect.”

  95. earthling says

    Sorry to duplicate your post, cagcrisp. In this case does it really matter about the Coin? It’s always been about rare plastic and the label. The uninformed that buy into this type of hype should still see value – as long as nobody tries to bathe them in reality.

    I never really had interest in this no mintmark BS.

  96. Numismatrix says

    The burnished ASE is one of my regular purchases, precisely for the mintmark.
    In 2008 I was lucky to purchase 6/6 burnished ASE units with the 07 reverse.
    These are still in my possession. I picked up an additional 08/07R in a PCGS
    intombment with a Flag label for an ASE set I’m building. This coin is a sleeper
    IMHO (@46k), and still available at reasonable cost in sub-70 grades. The
    advantage is that it has a mint mark and font shift as immutable identifiers.
    The TPGs are responsible for this charade with the bullion ASE (P).

  97. data dave says

    Effigy Mounds 5 oz bullion puck up to 26.1K. Could the bullion market be bouncing back after its pause?

  98. So Krates says

    By providing incomplete info and claiming they won’t clarify until five weeks from now, the Mint is purposely trying to throw water on these bullion Ps.

    First they say there are 80K minted in Philly. Then claim “…has resulted in a mistaken belief that some of these coins are rarities.”

    That seems contradictory. Now Mr. Michael White Lie determines what is “rare”?

    The Three Monkeys – The TPGs, the Mint, and the Numismatic Press

    See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

  99. J JONAH JAMESON says

    Can someone explain to me why they are making more Effigy bullion pucks, but they supposedly are no longer making the Douglass?

  100. JohnT58 says

    The Effigy pucks were probably already made, they just were not sold. The mint probably saw the slow sales for the Effigy bullion and cut back on the Douglass piece. The lack of Douglass pucks is allowing the mint to sell out the already minted Effigy inventory.

  101. Brad says

    Yeah, what JohnT58 said! That’s exactly what happened.

    I’m hoping that Ozark Riverways comes in low like Douglass, because unlike Douglass the Ozark has a very pleasing design. If it came in at 20,000 also it could be one of the more valuable coins in the set. But it probably won’t happen.

  102. earthling says

    Which will be regarded as the worst US Mint Designed thing ever – this 225 th thing or the Special Olympics/Shriver thing?

    Are there many Shriver Coins still out there or have they all been melted? They were Silver weren’t they?

  103. Natatack says

    Anyone know the sales figures for the 2016 burnished ASE so far, I still see them offered on the mints website.

  104. CW says

    Why is her face so angry? Serious question. You’d think we could have a happy Liberty. I have no issue with her ethnicity BTW.

  105. Natatack says

    Huge box nice booklet for the silver medal, but wondered if they would have scaled the box back to cardboard and used a box similar to the proof ASE they could have knocked $10 off the price bringing it closer to that price point.

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