Silver medals for the American Armed Forces in World War I

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The Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee (a congressionally established public committee that advises the secretary of the Treasury with design and theme recommendations for U.S. coins and medals) met at United States Mint headquarters in Washington, D.C., on March 21, 2017. This meeting had been postponed one week by the mid-March blizzard that snarled travel plans around the East Coast.

One of our main agenda items was to review and discuss candidate designs for the 2018 World War I Armed Forces silver medals. These will be packaged and released with the upcoming WWI centennial commemorative silver dollar, celebrating Allied victory and the end of the Great War. Each of five medals will represent a branch or service of the military (Army, Navy, Air Service, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard) and its contributions to winning the war. A sixth medal, if the Mint accepts a motion from the committee, would depict the Home Front and the contributions of women to the war effort.

With more than 60 design proposals and 5 military branches involved, the Mint and the CCAC have put a lot of time and effort into planning this historic program.

My approach for reviewing the designs and making my recommendations was to favor obverse/reverse pairings that told a “before” and “after” story—basically, “Over Here” (representing the recruitment, mobilization, training, or other preparation of American troops in the United States) and “Over There” (showing the troops armed and in action, contributing to Allied victory in the war). I felt that using each military branch’s emblem on the reverse, as recommended by the U.S. Commission of Fine Arts (the other committee that reviews U.S. coins and medals), would make them too similar to privately issued military challenge coins, and would cut in half the already limited real-estate of two 1.5-inch canvases. On the other hand, committee members, as well as military representatives present at the meeting, noted the popularity of challenge coins (which are given as thank-you’s or mementoes, and collected by service members as well as civilians). “We sailors like our emblem,” as committee member Herman Viola, a veteran, put it. After discussion we moved to recommend to the secretary of the Treasury that each medal feature its service insignia on the reverse, with as many of the inscriptions moved to the reverse as possible. This will free up the obverses to focus on art rather than wording.

After design manager April Stafford introduced the medal program to the committee, Chair Mary Lannin opened the discussion and invited senior-ranking member Donald Scarinci to begin.

Scarinci—never one to hold back his opinions—made a contrast between the committee’s recommended design for the upcoming 2018 World War I commemorative silver dollar and the sketches in this batch of medal proposals. The 2018 dollar, he noted, has a creative, captivating, modernistic design with medal-like qualities. With the Armed Forces proposals, compared to the silver dollar, “we have medals that look like coins, and a coin that looks like a medal”—a contrast that, he judged, wouldn’t package well, and therefor would result in poor sales. “Medals sell because their designs are pretty,” he emphasized. “They need to be something special for people to buy them. They’re not coins.” He gave as successful examples the recent Roosevelt medal that sold out its mintage in just two weeks, and the 2016 American Liberty silver medal that sold out in a matter of minutes. He also compared the medal proposals to other, more innovative World War I coins and medals issued by Great Britain, Australia, and other nations, saying that none of the proposal sketches would be award winners or serious competition for more stylized works. He linked this program to the creativity of the U.S. Mint’s recently launched American Liberty gold-coin program, which includes silver medals based on the gold designs. The Mint’s innovation in medals, if it continues to be well received, has the potential to lead to innovation in coins, to the benefit of American coinage of all sorts. On the other hand, Scarinci warned, low sales in the World War I Armed Forces program might be misinterpreted as something being wrong, sales-wise, with medals, rather than a failure of these particular designs or the way they’re packaged and sold.

A display of the 2017 High Relief American Liberty gold coin, in the lobby of Mint headquarters. (CoinUpdate.com photo)

A display of the 2017 High Relief American Liberty gold coin, in the lobby of Mint headquarters. (CoinUpdate.com photo)

I agree with Donald Scarinci that we’re at a “tipping point” with the Mint’s modern medals program. The seeds of innovation have been planted, and they have the potential to blossom and be harvested if properly nurtured. They also risk dying on the vine, if the bottom line—sales, which depend on resonance with hobbyists and the general public—fail to materialize. Encouragingly, from conversations with collectors and round-table discussion at the Mint’s November 2016 Numismatic Forum in Philadelphia, I think this World War I program has strong potential. Mintages should be set properly—low enough to generate excitement and a perception of scarcity, but high enough to avoid droves of frustrated customers being turned away. The fact that the medals will be silver, not bronze, is a plus, as is their Proof (rather than Uncirculated or bullion-finish) format. Precious metals and Proofs are popular with the general public as well as coin collectors. Furthermore, the medals will have a built-in audience of active and retired service members of each military branch, and their families and friends—a considerable host added to normal demand from the hobby community. Attractive packaging, savvy marketing, and fair distribution, of course, will be important in the program’s sales success.

Herman Viola reminded the forum that he is an advisor to the World War I Centennial Commission, and he shared his insight from serving that body. “There is immense interest around the world in these medals,” Viola said. “Don’t worry too much about sales.” The Mint’s artists, he observed, had submitted good work, with their designs showing technical and historical accuracy.

Committee member Erik Jansen shared some of Donald Scarinci’s concerns. “I’m frustrated with pictures on metal,” he said, calling the proposed designs “lacking in symbols and long on pictures.” He also wondered if the price point for a dollar-and-medal package—$100 or more—might be too high for many collectors. He recommended issuing the medals individually and in a lower-priced bronze format. (For comparison, the Mint’s 1.5-inch medals in bronze are priced at $6.95 and its 3-inch medals in bronze are $39.95.)

Committee member Mike Moran also compared the medal proposals to the upcoming World War I silver dollar. (Moran, Scarinci, and Lannin each served on the jury, or subcommittee, that focused on that particular commemorative-coin program. Congress specified that the coin’s open competition would be juried by three members each from the CCAC and the U.S. Commission of Fine Arts.) Describing the silver dollar’s chosen design (which, as of this writing, has not yet been made public) as “poignant,” he said that the medal designs neither complement nor contrast the coin—rather, many of them compete with it, but without the same level of quality. He summed up the designs as “just okay,” noting that many are overly cluttered with busy detail. He recommended using the branch’s emblems on the reverse, to avoid duplication of scenes (such as two scenes of battle) and to help avoid confusion over, for example, the Army and the Marines (who wore the same uniforms and fought with the same weapons). “In the end,” he said, “art sells coins and medals.”

Committee member Thomas Uram, having studied recent coinage designs, recommended that the Mint’s artists scale back the amount of surface frosting, and include more contrast between fields, design elements, and lettering. Regarding the use of emblems for each medal, he noted that the 2005 Marine Corps silver dollar sold out its mintage limit and won a coveted Coin of the Year award in international competition—all of this while featuring the Marine Corps emblem on its reverse. He recommended that the World War I medals showcase the insignia of each military branch. Uram further remarked on a lost opportunity to expand beyond the traditional physicality of coinage—“Why not square, octagonal, or pentagonal shapes?” he asked. The World War I medals will be the diameter of the standard silver dollar (1.5 inches).

Committee member Heidi Wastweet remarked on the inherent sexism of the designs submitted, calling it disrespectful to not depict women and their contributions to the American war effort. She recommended that a “Home Front” medal be added to the program—an idea that was floated in March 2016 during initial CCAC discussion of the medals. Later in the meeting, Mike Moran would make a formal motion for this addition, with Wastweet seconding. Wastweet also noted the “overabundance of verbiage” in many of the designs. She recommended using the military branch emblems as an organizing factor, with all (or most) verbiage moved to the reverses. This would free up the obverse designs, allowing more negative space and making them more medallic, rather than coin-like.

Committee member Jeanne Stevens-Sollman posed a question to the Mint: “What are we trying to achieve” with the medals program? She asked rhetorically about their presentation: “Are we showing a movie? Sending postcards? Or are we conveying to the viewer what the U.S. contributed to victory in the war?” She observed that medals often benefit from verbiage when it’s used to educate the viewer and guide them in what they’re seeing.

CCAC members taking a recess during their day-long meeting, Mint headquarters, Washington, D.C. (CoinUpdate.com photo)

CCAC members taking a recess during their day-long meeting, Mint headquarters, Washington, D.C. (CoinUpdate.com photo)

The Army Silver Medal

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For the Army silver medal, many committee members recommended design O-04 for the obverse. This shows a doughboy standing at the ready, holding his rifle, with the American flag waving in the background. It’s a motif familiar from photographs and recruitment posters of the era, and if the wording is moved to the medal’s reverse, it will make a bold central design.

Many of the other obverse (and reverse) designs are too busy to translate well to a dollar-sized planchet. Fine detail would be lost on such a small canvas.

To me, O-03, showing a gas mask, bayonet, shovel, barbed wire, and other tools, spoke too much of the technical aspects of battle, rather than the human side of the conflict. Erik Jansen described it as a frankly disturbing tableau showing “the horrors of war.” Committee member Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, conferencing by phone, spoke of the historic Hell Fighters unit, and recommended that they be acknowledged. In our March 2016 meeting, Chris Isleib, director of public affairs for the World War I Centennial Commission, had also mentioned the Hell Fighters. “[World War I] was the birth of the 369th Harlem Hell Fighters infantry unit, which was a regiment that was sent to fight in French uniforms with French units because of the racial segregation in America,” Isleib noted. “When they came back after fighting in more combat than any other unit in America they faced racism as soon as they arrived back here in America. This unit also had regimental bands; the 369th and 379th actually brought jazz to Paris.” Abdul-Jabbar’s choice for the obverse of the Army medal was O-05.

After discussion and voting, the committee’s recommendation is for a simplified version of obverse O-04, and the Army emblem of R-03.

The Navy Silver Medal

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For the Navy medal, the Mint’s artists submitted fewer design proposals. Of the three obverse sketches, my preference was for O-01—it’s an active scene that showcases a destroyer at sea, an exploding depth charge, and kite balloons on reconnaissance (an important Navy function during the war). O-02, showing the USS Wadsworth escorting a convoy, is a dynamic design with some very artful flourishes, but on a 1.5-inch surface the plume of the depth charge in the background would make it look like the ship itself was exploding. Erik Jansen called attention to the attractive wave in O-02, but observed that the design would risk losing its detail in the sculpting.

“None of these designs capture my grandfather’s experience in World War I,” said committee member Robert Hoge. He noted that many sailors during the war were sick, and those who were healthy took care of the ill, with few of them seeing any exciting action.

Dr. Dennis Conrad, a naval historian for the Department of Defense, phoned in to the meeting. He agreed with the idea of using the branch insignia as reverse designs.

Jeanne Stevens-Sollman brought up the obverse of the 2016 Mark Twain commemorative silver dollar, designed by Artistic Infusion Program artist Chris Costello and sculpted by Mint medallic sculptor Michael Gaudioso. Specifically, Stevens-Sollman remarked on the creative depiction of the smoke from Twain’s pipe. She opined that such creativity could help busy designs avoid redundancies of texture and frosting among different detail elements. She also emphasized that there can be energy in a design’s text, not just its symbols, and that text can be treated as an artistic element itself.

Chair Mary Lannin expressed a preference for obverse O-02, but reduced to its bare essentials—keeping the ship’s essence and making the design more medallic.

The Air Service, American Expeditionary Forces, Silver Medal

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Eight obverse designs and eight reverse designs awaited our study for the silver medal of the Air Service (which would later become its own separate military branch, in 1947). For the obverse, I found O-02 to be the most artistically medallic in composition and fabric. It shows an aviator in three-quarters profile, looking up to the sky, his scarf streaming in the wind, combined with a winged propeller inspired by an Air Service insignia. A compass symbolizes the air-combat units’ “power and precision in all directions,” as noted by design manager April Stafford. Among the reverse designs, to me reverse R-05 is the most dynamic, showing a SPAD XIII plane in a dogfight with two German triplanes, with the French countryside seen as a dramatically tilted horizon line that expresses motion and the controlled chaos of such combat.

Erik Jansen called out O-05 and O-06, each showing a World War I pilot. He also liked reverse R-06 used as the obverse, but stripped down without the inscriptions. He noted its depiction of the precision of the airplane as a weapon. Mary Lannin agreed with this assessment, saying that R-06 would resonate with air aficionados. Robert Hoge called the O-04 design “iconic” in its depiction of an aerial dogfight, but suggested dropping out the detail of the countryside.

After discussion and voting, there was strong preference to use reverse R-06 as the medal’s obverse, with its design reduced to the main elements and inscriptions moved to the reverse. Design R-08, showing a military aviator insignia, is our recommendation for the reverse.

The Marine Corps Silver Medal

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For me and for several other committee members, reverse R-05 stood out as a dramatic depiction of a U.S. Marine in World War I combat. A “Devil Dog” (as the Germans called the Marines) is shown in the heat of battle in Belleau Wood. Having run out of ammunition, he overpowers a German machine-gun nest using his rifle as a bludgeon. This design includes the inscription SEMPER FIDELIS, “Always Faithful,” the USMC motto. Robert Hoge also called out R-05 as a strong design for the obverse, and Donald Scarinci said, “If this were a coin, it would be awesome”—noting that “There are a lot of designs that would be nice as coins” while not succeeding as medals. “O-06 is more medal-like,” he said, referring to a design showing a helmet set behind the Marine Corps emblem.

The Marine Corps historians who were present at the meeting noted that the R-05 scene is “Hollywoodized,” and that such hand-to-hand combat was rare at Belleau Wood. They emphasized the significance of that particular battle: the important Allied victory at Belleau Wood is intrinsically connected to the Marine Corps, and in fact the region remains a pilgrimage site for U.S. Marines a hundred years later. For this reason, reverse design R-01, with its contemplative scene of one Marine standing guard in the war-blasted woods, while another kneels to pay respect to their fallen comrades, is their preferred design.

Heidi Wastweet noted that, after a quick flip through the entire design portfolio, Marine Corps reverse R-05 was the only one that mentally stayed with her. She praised its depiction of the brutality and courage of war. From a sculpting and production perspective, she warned against the design’s lettering running over the soldier’s leg, calling it “very detracting and technically difficult.” She also noted that the relief of obverse O-06 would have to be shallow, and that collectors want greater depth than it would afford.

After more discussion of simplifying the elements of R-01 by moving some inscriptions to the reverse, our recommendation is for R-01 to be used for the obverse and R-06 for the reverse.

The Coast Guard Silver Medal

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The Coast Guard sketches included a mixture of patriotic symbolism (with Miss Liberty guiding a guardsman to his destiny and duty), ships at sea, and officers and men in action. One of the most dynamic designs is O-04, showing a lifeboat from the cutter Seneca riding a wave in heavy seas as it moves toward the torpedoed steamship Wellington. Coast Guardsmen in the lifeboat have sighted men in the water and are on their way to rescue them. This was a preferred design for many committee members (including myself). Dr. William Thiesen, a Coast Guard historian who phoned in to the meeting, agreed with this preference, noting the importance of rescue missions in the Guard’s wartime functions (in addition to beach and coast patrol).

Herman Viola emphasized the importance of the Coast Guard cutter Tampa, which was sunk by a German U-boat with the loss of 115 men—the war’s single largest loss of life in combat for naval operations. REMEMBER THE TAMPA is an inscription on two of the obverse designs, O-03 and O-04.

Our recommendation is for obverse O-04 to be combined with the World War I–era Coast Guard emblem of reverse R-04.

The Future of the World War I Silver Medals

Before the CCAC meeting, Mint staff had already met with subject-matter experts from each military branch to discuss themes and historical accuracy. The CCAC also talked about the World War I medals in our March 2016 meeting in Washington. It was these early discussions that led to the design proposals we reviewed in March 2017. Now the Mint’s artists will take the guidance of the Commission of Fine Arts, and of the CCAC, in addition to the comments of military representatives shared in our meetings this week, and fine-tune their designs. If our committee motion is accepted, a sixth medal representing the Home Front will be added to the five military pieces. Ultimately the secretary of the Treasury has final approval over the designs of U.S. coins and medals.

The World War I medals will accompany the release of the 2018 World War I American Veterans Centennial silver dollar.   ❑

Dennis Tucker is the publisher at Whitman Publishing, LLC, and a member of the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee.


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Comments

  1. JARHEADnFLORIDA says

    cag, I stand by my statement and will not be purchasing. The mint can change the mintmark all they want. and I repeat will not purchase.

  2. Dustyroads says

    earthling, It’s been my opinion that what will have to happen in the base is either a rethinking about value, or a new base altogether. Most of the base was priced out of the game as soon as gold went over $800.00. The new base at the moment in my opinion has yet to mature, so I’m not talking about the people who have weathered the storm, but about a new base. We won’t see a new one begin to happen until we can have certainty about what gold is actually worth, until then we who are playing are better known as gold bugs or investors.
    And about DJ Trump fixing all that is wrong for the guy on the street, it looks like the “Trump Rally” has run out of steam. Doubt me? Take a look at a soft/hard data chart and tell me the rally is anything but hot air.
    More $ was lost in 2008 than anyone can fathom, it’s going to take far more time to make up those losses than anyone is willing to admit. Then we will have to have the biggest, longest rally we have ever seen to put this train back on the tracks. Hope is the only thing distilling this whiskey.
    Growth numbers are about to hit, we all better hope they are not less than the already dismal numbers expected by the Fed. Credit can’t help us now, we need something moar real.

  3. says

    @ VA Bob,

    Good to hear from ya, & hope all is well (this is former VARich). I was working from one your ‘facilities’ further south during both of those hurricanes last year, think I got the last flight out on standby during Matthew, made for an interesting fall and a few good stories. If your stock goes up in the 4th, you owe me! I know exactly what you mean, during the WLH Redux, I had to jump in the rental and go chasing for a signal, luckily it didn’t sell out too quick or I didn’t run over some kid try to buy a Merc. It’s funny as hell some of the action that needs to be taken to get a silly mint order in sometimes, ah but I can be fun too. This S coin won’t be wasted on gift giving, it be wasted on slabbing and labels, it should have a real nice pop to it so what scraps are left, all the other retailers will be pouncing on.
    Life for me got A LOT easier then I just started collecting OGPs and discounted all the garbage and theatrics that comes along with this hobby.
    Best of luck to ya,
    R

  4. VA Bob says

    I didn’t lose track of your handle switch KCSO, we go back a few years now. Though I don’t comment much anymore, I try to pop in to read what’s going on from time to time. Most of you guys write enough to more than cover what I might have to say, and much better stated to boot. I do enjoy seeing what the old guard has to say, as well as the new(er) commenters. But wow, the Mint is just losing me on the recent products. The WWI issues have caught my attention (and proposed moon landing coin), all to be determined.

    Yeah Mathew did mess a few folks up around here. I came out unscathed. I guess every place has it’s own environmental hazards to contend with.

  5. says

    Product Schedule is being updated, currently unavailable on the mint’s website.., stand by for a curve ⚾️

  6. Goat says

    Can anyone get the Mint web site to work at this tome ? I get “Oops…Something went wrong” Refresh on everything. Is this a sign ?

  7. Old Big Bird says

    @ Goat –

    I too can not get on other than the main lading page and production & sales

  8. Teach says

    The mint’s website is basically down. I can hardly wait to see this happen at noon tomorrow 🙂

  9. A&L Futures says

    U.S. Mint’s website restored. Question now is, “What caused the glitch in the Matrix. What did they change?”

  10. data dave says

    OT – All the focus was on the 2016 silver proof set selling out. Looks like the clad set is gone also. All that is left with the clad proof coins is the Happy Birthday set. Assuming these will be gone soon also, we are looking at some new lows.

    Proof Cent: 2015 – 1099K, 2016 – 1003K about 10% less
    Proof Clad Half: 2015 – 712K, 2016 636K about 10% less
    Proof Silver Half: 2015 – 387K, 2016 – 406K about 5% more
    Proof Dollars: 2015 – 1272K, 2016 1176K about 10% less

    I wouldn’t recommend speculating on the clad proof set, but you have to wonder when it will hit bottom. The 2016 Proof dollar set is still for sale but not for long. Those 3 will be keys to the proof presidential dollar series.

  11. Dustyroads says

    With all the 2015 proof sets removed from the Mint website, we can now begin to know where the lowest mintage fall.

  12. johnaz says

    Well e-bay is adding sale tax for coins.I order a coin and added 2.45 sale tax.Any one know if this is the new .

  13. Dustyroads says

    johnaz, Some other people were having the same problem. Looks like you’re going to have to complain to the seller. If that doesn’t work, go directly to ebay and complain.

  14. Dustyroads says

    There was someone else here blowing the alarm about the 2015 Silver Proof Sets actually having lower mintages than the 2016’s due to the lack of the LESPS being sold in 2015. To date, 2015 proof silver dimes and halves are 4.8% lower, and 2015 silver quarters are 2.1% lower than the 2016 silver proof releases. The 2016 LESPS’s are still on sale, as well as the 2016 silver proof quarter sets.

  15. data dave says

    @johnaz – Does the sales tax only apply to in state purchases or all purchases or only certain merchants?

  16. Barry says

    I read Amazon is collecting taxes in all states now except for a handful of states that have no sales tax such as Delaware. I didn’t see anything about Ebay.

  17. cagcrisp says

    Depends on which state you are Buying you coins from. Some states , coins are Exampt from sales tax and use tax…

  18. J JONAH JAMESON says

    Effigy Mounds National Monument – 20,300

    Frederick Douglass National Historic Site – 9,700

    Does this mean they are done with the Effigy?

    Item Number: 17RF (congratulations)

    Mintage Limit: None

    Product Limit: 75,000

    Household Order Limit: None

    20,300

    9,700

  19. Barry says

    btw, I see the “Birth” sets on the mint website back to 2013. Now who would buy these except for maybe men who just got the news “You are the father! ” together with some procrastinators.

  20. Dustyroads says

    20,300

    APMEX now has 103 in stock. They only had several at the end of last week.

  21. Larry says

    So it looks like the S ASE will go on sale tomorrow wit no household limit. I predict these will be gone in microseconds
    Why? Just take a look at the 2011 S coin from the 25th Anniversary set. It has about the same mintage as this one most likely will, and sells from $200-$300. This has to be as close to a no brainer as you can get.
    I don’t collect ASE’s, so I don’t really need one, but if I am by the computer at 12:00 eastern time I may try to get one just for sport. If I had deep pockets I might buy them all.

  22. Larry says

    Pretty gutsy guaranteeing you are going to get 10 MS70 coins that aren’t out yet. Unless they know something we don’t.

  23. earthling says

    Do commercially graded 70 Bullion Coins really matter, anymore? Did they EVER really matter?

  24. Dustyroads says

    If the 2017-S ASE sells only 125,000 which we all should expect, it will be the lowest mintage key of this variety. The only other of course is the 2012-S with a mintage of 281,792, which we all should be in agreement is at saturation point in the secondary market. These coins range very wildly in price, as seen below in recently ended actions on ebay.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-S-AMERICAN-SILVER-EAGLE-PROOF-PF70-NGC-PERFECT-EARLY-RELEASES-500-/291989378601?hash=item43fbec5629:g:l2AAAOSw44BYOJJ3

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-S-Silver-American-Eagle-Dollar-PR69-DCAM-PCGS-75th-Anniv-SF-Mint-Set-coin-/401291775896?hash=item5d6eda8f98:g:UaMAAOSwhQhYybgE

    What should be most noted about the 2017-S is it’s likely only 125,000 mintage. This mintage is going to be below market saturation, plus, the gap between releases will cause a boost in the secondary market.
    I have already read other news stories in the press about these coins coming onto the market. There is excitement for these so called sets. I expect average secondary prices anywhere from $90.00 to $150.00 realized with some higher. But there is risk here, because there are some unknowns about the exact final mintage. This will undoubtedly have an impact on many buyers. This should cause some sense of warning to most of you guys who may be hoping for a big day tomorrow. Perhaps everyone should also heed the warnings of KCSO about “Texasge” who has become well known for their dumping style of business. I will find my way to the starting block at noon, but only for what I am willing to keep for myself, which has always been my style.

  25. Mintman says

    cheap for FS PR70’s; no way a little guy can beat that price
    That’s a bulk sub

  26. Larry says

    I stand corrected. I should have said PR70, not MS70. I think this coin will be closer in value to the UNC S in the 2011 Anniversary set, which sold 100K. That coin does sell for $200-$300. Regardless of the finish, if you collect ASE’s you will need this one, and it should sell about 125K.
    I think the past has shown that a low mintage popular coin with no HHL or a large HHL will quickly go up in value. Like the 2011 Anniversary set or the Truman C&C set.
    Of course there is the LESP wild card, which may hold the value down for a while. Plus the mint may do something we don’t know about, like include this in another set.

  27. earthling says

    No HHL ? I see this as an 8 minute sellout.

    But how quickly will the next hot surprise item go? How much can the country absorb? Something tells me were going to find out this year.

    And next year….

    And the next……

    Soon enough todays mintages will blow everyones minds. How did they EVER sell THAT many?

  28. Louis Golino, Author says

    I knew they were a good deal at $83 a pop with free shipping (now $109) because the coin plus grading (if you are not a big boy) is right around $80. No brainer. Esp. since I am not a member of PSGS now and wanted one of those.

    There is a great new bullion coin with lots of upside (went up several dollars a coin earlier today), but to find out, you will have to read my Coin World blog in the next couple days.

    There was a lot of pooh-poohing here about the NPS coins for months, but the halves are bringing $40-50 in auctions, and the ms70 coins that were $100 are now $200-300. Shows why you should not follow the pack.

  29. Louis Golino, Author says

    I told the Mint to add a HHL, but we will see if they acted on it. I said 5 or 10 per. Otherwise gone in a flash.

  30. Louis Golino, Author says

    As things stand now, it will be the 4th lowest for the series not counting the 07/08 die variety. In order for it to come in 5th, the Mint would need to triple the LESPS mintage to 150K, bringing the total to 225K, which would eek out the current 4th at 222K, but that is unlikely. This is as no brainer as they get unless the big boys use their Russian bots to gobble them all up. Plus they may be able to buy with bulk sales. I am waiting to hear back on that. Man, I need some bots!

  31. says

    To all you fellow small time collectors –

    Good luck tomorrow.

    It’s gonna be a slugfest in the trenches and likely end in a bloodbath.

    Anticipate the site going down or being sluggish for the first 12 to 15, though hang in there.

    Once orders start to take, this thing will be over by 12:30 (probably, though who knows).

    If it ends poorly, you can thank the dealers, ever heard the phrase like white on rice?
    Godspeed!

  32. earthling says

    At some point I would expect the market to dry up. But when? It’s anybody’s guess. Oh well.

    Back up the Truck Mabel ! We’s got some loadin to do.

    😃

  33. says

    I have a favor to ask –

    If you’re able to place an order with in 12:05, List the ORDER # (last 2 digits as XX’s is fine) and the EXACT TIME.

    An order # at 12:10,
    12:15,
    12:20, &
    12:30

    Would be appreciated!

    Remember, List the ORDER # (last 2 digits as XX’s is fine) and the EXACT TIME.

    Thanks

  34. Larry says

    At the very least, it should be a huge day for MNB comments. Should we guess how many by tomorrow midnight? I say 400.

  35. Dustyroads says

    I really don’t think that 125,000…#1 Lou, is all that much to get excited about, considering that saturation is roughly 50,000 north. Yes, it’s a relatively low number…#1 Lou, but still not below the 100,000 ceiling for the ASE created in 2011. Buy yes, lose my head, no. BTW Lou, you’ve been in the gym a lot lately, your muscles must be getting bigger pumping all those coins.

  36. says

    Rick – while most likely true, this time there’s no restrictive HHL (so far), so everyone starts out on equal footing.

    Personally, I’d LOVE to see GovMint, MCM, Texasge, and Mike the 🤡 get shut out for once, totally shut out, and see how the dynamics change.., going get interesting

    I wonder what else we might see..,

    a RP or Enhanced AGE would cool..,

  37. KCSO says

    Ah Ha! Breaking News for MNB –

    Here it is..,

    Cynthia Snow
    Cynthia Snow Very gorgeous coin…
    I would love to add this coin to my coin collection, if I can afford it❤️…
    6 · April 1 at 2:46pm

    United States Mint

    United States Mint Cynthia Snow There will be a silver medal version released in June–same design, at an affordable price.
    4 · April 3 at 7:57am

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