Silver medals for the American Armed Forces in World War I

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The Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee (a congressionally established public committee that advises the secretary of the Treasury with design and theme recommendations for U.S. coins and medals) met at United States Mint headquarters in Washington, D.C., on March 21, 2017. This meeting had been postponed one week by the mid-March blizzard that snarled travel plans around the East Coast.

One of our main agenda items was to review and discuss candidate designs for the 2018 World War I Armed Forces silver medals. These will be packaged and released with the upcoming WWI centennial commemorative silver dollar, celebrating Allied victory and the end of the Great War. Each of five medals will represent a branch or service of the military (Army, Navy, Air Service, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard) and its contributions to winning the war. A sixth medal, if the Mint accepts a motion from the committee, would depict the Home Front and the contributions of women to the war effort.

With more than 60 design proposals and 5 military branches involved, the Mint and the CCAC have put a lot of time and effort into planning this historic program.

My approach for reviewing the designs and making my recommendations was to favor obverse/reverse pairings that told a “before” and “after” story—basically, “Over Here” (representing the recruitment, mobilization, training, or other preparation of American troops in the United States) and “Over There” (showing the troops armed and in action, contributing to Allied victory in the war). I felt that using each military branch’s emblem on the reverse, as recommended by the U.S. Commission of Fine Arts (the other committee that reviews U.S. coins and medals), would make them too similar to privately issued military challenge coins, and would cut in half the already limited real-estate of two 1.5-inch canvases. On the other hand, committee members, as well as military representatives present at the meeting, noted the popularity of challenge coins (which are given as thank-you’s or mementoes, and collected by service members as well as civilians). “We sailors like our emblem,” as committee member Herman Viola, a veteran, put it. After discussion we moved to recommend to the secretary of the Treasury that each medal feature its service insignia on the reverse, with as many of the inscriptions moved to the reverse as possible. This will free up the obverses to focus on art rather than wording.

After design manager April Stafford introduced the medal program to the committee, Chair Mary Lannin opened the discussion and invited senior-ranking member Donald Scarinci to begin.

Scarinci—never one to hold back his opinions—made a contrast between the committee’s recommended design for the upcoming 2018 World War I commemorative silver dollar and the sketches in this batch of medal proposals. The 2018 dollar, he noted, has a creative, captivating, modernistic design with medal-like qualities. With the Armed Forces proposals, compared to the silver dollar, “we have medals that look like coins, and a coin that looks like a medal”—a contrast that, he judged, wouldn’t package well, and therefor would result in poor sales. “Medals sell because their designs are pretty,” he emphasized. “They need to be something special for people to buy them. They’re not coins.” He gave as successful examples the recent Roosevelt medal that sold out its mintage in just two weeks, and the 2016 American Liberty silver medal that sold out in a matter of minutes. He also compared the medal proposals to other, more innovative World War I coins and medals issued by Great Britain, Australia, and other nations, saying that none of the proposal sketches would be award winners or serious competition for more stylized works. He linked this program to the creativity of the U.S. Mint’s recently launched American Liberty gold-coin program, which includes silver medals based on the gold designs. The Mint’s innovation in medals, if it continues to be well received, has the potential to lead to innovation in coins, to the benefit of American coinage of all sorts. On the other hand, Scarinci warned, low sales in the World War I Armed Forces program might be misinterpreted as something being wrong, sales-wise, with medals, rather than a failure of these particular designs or the way they’re packaged and sold.

A display of the 2017 High Relief American Liberty gold coin, in the lobby of Mint headquarters. (CoinUpdate.com photo)

A display of the 2017 High Relief American Liberty gold coin, in the lobby of Mint headquarters. (CoinUpdate.com photo)

I agree with Donald Scarinci that we’re at a “tipping point” with the Mint’s modern medals program. The seeds of innovation have been planted, and they have the potential to blossom and be harvested if properly nurtured. They also risk dying on the vine, if the bottom line—sales, which depend on resonance with hobbyists and the general public—fail to materialize. Encouragingly, from conversations with collectors and round-table discussion at the Mint’s November 2016 Numismatic Forum in Philadelphia, I think this World War I program has strong potential. Mintages should be set properly—low enough to generate excitement and a perception of scarcity, but high enough to avoid droves of frustrated customers being turned away. The fact that the medals will be silver, not bronze, is a plus, as is their Proof (rather than Uncirculated or bullion-finish) format. Precious metals and Proofs are popular with the general public as well as coin collectors. Furthermore, the medals will have a built-in audience of active and retired service members of each military branch, and their families and friends—a considerable host added to normal demand from the hobby community. Attractive packaging, savvy marketing, and fair distribution, of course, will be important in the program’s sales success.

Herman Viola reminded the forum that he is an advisor to the World War I Centennial Commission, and he shared his insight from serving that body. “There is immense interest around the world in these medals,” Viola said. “Don’t worry too much about sales.” The Mint’s artists, he observed, had submitted good work, with their designs showing technical and historical accuracy.

Committee member Erik Jansen shared some of Donald Scarinci’s concerns. “I’m frustrated with pictures on metal,” he said, calling the proposed designs “lacking in symbols and long on pictures.” He also wondered if the price point for a dollar-and-medal package—$100 or more—might be too high for many collectors. He recommended issuing the medals individually and in a lower-priced bronze format. (For comparison, the Mint’s 1.5-inch medals in bronze are priced at $6.95 and its 3-inch medals in bronze are $39.95.)

Committee member Mike Moran also compared the medal proposals to the upcoming World War I silver dollar. (Moran, Scarinci, and Lannin each served on the jury, or subcommittee, that focused on that particular commemorative-coin program. Congress specified that the coin’s open competition would be juried by three members each from the CCAC and the U.S. Commission of Fine Arts.) Describing the silver dollar’s chosen design (which, as of this writing, has not yet been made public) as “poignant,” he said that the medal designs neither complement nor contrast the coin—rather, many of them compete with it, but without the same level of quality. He summed up the designs as “just okay,” noting that many are overly cluttered with busy detail. He recommended using the branch’s emblems on the reverse, to avoid duplication of scenes (such as two scenes of battle) and to help avoid confusion over, for example, the Army and the Marines (who wore the same uniforms and fought with the same weapons). “In the end,” he said, “art sells coins and medals.”

Committee member Thomas Uram, having studied recent coinage designs, recommended that the Mint’s artists scale back the amount of surface frosting, and include more contrast between fields, design elements, and lettering. Regarding the use of emblems for each medal, he noted that the 2005 Marine Corps silver dollar sold out its mintage limit and won a coveted Coin of the Year award in international competition—all of this while featuring the Marine Corps emblem on its reverse. He recommended that the World War I medals showcase the insignia of each military branch. Uram further remarked on a lost opportunity to expand beyond the traditional physicality of coinage—“Why not square, octagonal, or pentagonal shapes?” he asked. The World War I medals will be the diameter of the standard silver dollar (1.5 inches).

Committee member Heidi Wastweet remarked on the inherent sexism of the designs submitted, calling it disrespectful to not depict women and their contributions to the American war effort. She recommended that a “Home Front” medal be added to the program—an idea that was floated in March 2016 during initial CCAC discussion of the medals. Later in the meeting, Mike Moran would make a formal motion for this addition, with Wastweet seconding. Wastweet also noted the “overabundance of verbiage” in many of the designs. She recommended using the military branch emblems as an organizing factor, with all (or most) verbiage moved to the reverses. This would free up the obverse designs, allowing more negative space and making them more medallic, rather than coin-like.

Committee member Jeanne Stevens-Sollman posed a question to the Mint: “What are we trying to achieve” with the medals program? She asked rhetorically about their presentation: “Are we showing a movie? Sending postcards? Or are we conveying to the viewer what the U.S. contributed to victory in the war?” She observed that medals often benefit from verbiage when it’s used to educate the viewer and guide them in what they’re seeing.

CCAC members taking a recess during their day-long meeting, Mint headquarters, Washington, D.C. (CoinUpdate.com photo)

CCAC members taking a recess during their day-long meeting, Mint headquarters, Washington, D.C. (CoinUpdate.com photo)

The Army Silver Medal

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For the Army silver medal, many committee members recommended design O-04 for the obverse. This shows a doughboy standing at the ready, holding his rifle, with the American flag waving in the background. It’s a motif familiar from photographs and recruitment posters of the era, and if the wording is moved to the medal’s reverse, it will make a bold central design.

Many of the other obverse (and reverse) designs are too busy to translate well to a dollar-sized planchet. Fine detail would be lost on such a small canvas.

To me, O-03, showing a gas mask, bayonet, shovel, barbed wire, and other tools, spoke too much of the technical aspects of battle, rather than the human side of the conflict. Erik Jansen described it as a frankly disturbing tableau showing “the horrors of war.” Committee member Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, conferencing by phone, spoke of the historic Hell Fighters unit, and recommended that they be acknowledged. In our March 2016 meeting, Chris Isleib, director of public affairs for the World War I Centennial Commission, had also mentioned the Hell Fighters. “[World War I] was the birth of the 369th Harlem Hell Fighters infantry unit, which was a regiment that was sent to fight in French uniforms with French units because of the racial segregation in America,” Isleib noted. “When they came back after fighting in more combat than any other unit in America they faced racism as soon as they arrived back here in America. This unit also had regimental bands; the 369th and 379th actually brought jazz to Paris.” Abdul-Jabbar’s choice for the obverse of the Army medal was O-05.

After discussion and voting, the committee’s recommendation is for a simplified version of obverse O-04, and the Army emblem of R-03.

The Navy Silver Medal

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For the Navy medal, the Mint’s artists submitted fewer design proposals. Of the three obverse sketches, my preference was for O-01—it’s an active scene that showcases a destroyer at sea, an exploding depth charge, and kite balloons on reconnaissance (an important Navy function during the war). O-02, showing the USS Wadsworth escorting a convoy, is a dynamic design with some very artful flourishes, but on a 1.5-inch surface the plume of the depth charge in the background would make it look like the ship itself was exploding. Erik Jansen called attention to the attractive wave in O-02, but observed that the design would risk losing its detail in the sculpting.

“None of these designs capture my grandfather’s experience in World War I,” said committee member Robert Hoge. He noted that many sailors during the war were sick, and those who were healthy took care of the ill, with few of them seeing any exciting action.

Dr. Dennis Conrad, a naval historian for the Department of Defense, phoned in to the meeting. He agreed with the idea of using the branch insignia as reverse designs.

Jeanne Stevens-Sollman brought up the obverse of the 2016 Mark Twain commemorative silver dollar, designed by Artistic Infusion Program artist Chris Costello and sculpted by Mint medallic sculptor Michael Gaudioso. Specifically, Stevens-Sollman remarked on the creative depiction of the smoke from Twain’s pipe. She opined that such creativity could help busy designs avoid redundancies of texture and frosting among different detail elements. She also emphasized that there can be energy in a design’s text, not just its symbols, and that text can be treated as an artistic element itself.

Chair Mary Lannin expressed a preference for obverse O-02, but reduced to its bare essentials—keeping the ship’s essence and making the design more medallic.

The Air Service, American Expeditionary Forces, Silver Medal

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Eight obverse designs and eight reverse designs awaited our study for the silver medal of the Air Service (which would later become its own separate military branch, in 1947). For the obverse, I found O-02 to be the most artistically medallic in composition and fabric. It shows an aviator in three-quarters profile, looking up to the sky, his scarf streaming in the wind, combined with a winged propeller inspired by an Air Service insignia. A compass symbolizes the air-combat units’ “power and precision in all directions,” as noted by design manager April Stafford. Among the reverse designs, to me reverse R-05 is the most dynamic, showing a SPAD XIII plane in a dogfight with two German triplanes, with the French countryside seen as a dramatically tilted horizon line that expresses motion and the controlled chaos of such combat.

Erik Jansen called out O-05 and O-06, each showing a World War I pilot. He also liked reverse R-06 used as the obverse, but stripped down without the inscriptions. He noted its depiction of the precision of the airplane as a weapon. Mary Lannin agreed with this assessment, saying that R-06 would resonate with air aficionados. Robert Hoge called the O-04 design “iconic” in its depiction of an aerial dogfight, but suggested dropping out the detail of the countryside.

After discussion and voting, there was strong preference to use reverse R-06 as the medal’s obverse, with its design reduced to the main elements and inscriptions moved to the reverse. Design R-08, showing a military aviator insignia, is our recommendation for the reverse.

The Marine Corps Silver Medal

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For me and for several other committee members, reverse R-05 stood out as a dramatic depiction of a U.S. Marine in World War I combat. A “Devil Dog” (as the Germans called the Marines) is shown in the heat of battle in Belleau Wood. Having run out of ammunition, he overpowers a German machine-gun nest using his rifle as a bludgeon. This design includes the inscription SEMPER FIDELIS, “Always Faithful,” the USMC motto. Robert Hoge also called out R-05 as a strong design for the obverse, and Donald Scarinci said, “If this were a coin, it would be awesome”—noting that “There are a lot of designs that would be nice as coins” while not succeeding as medals. “O-06 is more medal-like,” he said, referring to a design showing a helmet set behind the Marine Corps emblem.

The Marine Corps historians who were present at the meeting noted that the R-05 scene is “Hollywoodized,” and that such hand-to-hand combat was rare at Belleau Wood. They emphasized the significance of that particular battle: the important Allied victory at Belleau Wood is intrinsically connected to the Marine Corps, and in fact the region remains a pilgrimage site for U.S. Marines a hundred years later. For this reason, reverse design R-01, with its contemplative scene of one Marine standing guard in the war-blasted woods, while another kneels to pay respect to their fallen comrades, is their preferred design.

Heidi Wastweet noted that, after a quick flip through the entire design portfolio, Marine Corps reverse R-05 was the only one that mentally stayed with her. She praised its depiction of the brutality and courage of war. From a sculpting and production perspective, she warned against the design’s lettering running over the soldier’s leg, calling it “very detracting and technically difficult.” She also noted that the relief of obverse O-06 would have to be shallow, and that collectors want greater depth than it would afford.

After more discussion of simplifying the elements of R-01 by moving some inscriptions to the reverse, our recommendation is for R-01 to be used for the obverse and R-06 for the reverse.

The Coast Guard Silver Medal

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The Coast Guard sketches included a mixture of patriotic symbolism (with Miss Liberty guiding a guardsman to his destiny and duty), ships at sea, and officers and men in action. One of the most dynamic designs is O-04, showing a lifeboat from the cutter Seneca riding a wave in heavy seas as it moves toward the torpedoed steamship Wellington. Coast Guardsmen in the lifeboat have sighted men in the water and are on their way to rescue them. This was a preferred design for many committee members (including myself). Dr. William Thiesen, a Coast Guard historian who phoned in to the meeting, agreed with this preference, noting the importance of rescue missions in the Guard’s wartime functions (in addition to beach and coast patrol).

Herman Viola emphasized the importance of the Coast Guard cutter Tampa, which was sunk by a German U-boat with the loss of 115 men—the war’s single largest loss of life in combat for naval operations. REMEMBER THE TAMPA is an inscription on two of the obverse designs, O-03 and O-04.

Our recommendation is for obverse O-04 to be combined with the World War I–era Coast Guard emblem of reverse R-04.

The Future of the World War I Silver Medals

Before the CCAC meeting, Mint staff had already met with subject-matter experts from each military branch to discuss themes and historical accuracy. The CCAC also talked about the World War I medals in our March 2016 meeting in Washington. It was these early discussions that led to the design proposals we reviewed in March 2017. Now the Mint’s artists will take the guidance of the Commission of Fine Arts, and of the CCAC, in addition to the comments of military representatives shared in our meetings this week, and fine-tune their designs. If our committee motion is accepted, a sixth medal representing the Home Front will be added to the five military pieces. Ultimately the secretary of the Treasury has final approval over the designs of U.S. coins and medals.

The World War I medals will accompany the release of the 2018 World War I American Veterans Centennial silver dollar.   ❑

Dennis Tucker is the publisher at Whitman Publishing, LLC, and a member of the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee.


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Comments

  1. says

    Okay folks,

    Don’t be shy, don’t be nervous..,

    Put Cag to work!

    And throw out your best educated guess on the HR Liberty sales figures

    It’s very interesting to see what folks think on sales.., & there’s NO wrong answer!

    No harm, no foul.., let’s let’s hear’em!

  2. mintman says

    @Baldwin
    The LEPS will have a S Mint Proof ASE, however, it will not be eligible for First Strile labeling.
    The LEPS S Mint Proof ASE can have a label attributing it to the LEPS, but it wont be First Strike.
    The Congratulations set S Mint Proof ASE will be the only S Mint Proof ASE this year eligible for First Strike labeling, unless of course another unknown set or the coin is offered separately within 30 days of delivery of the Congratulations set S Mint Proof.

  3. earthling says

    Hurry hurry hurry…. step right up. Get yer minty fresh Jackie while you still can….

    Jackie Kennedy BU First Spouse Gold – 88 left

  4. sharks2th says

    2017 HR
    1st day – 9,218
    1st week – 11,342

    Since this is waaay overpriced, it could be even lower sales.

  5. cagcrisp says

    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 23,500
    cagcrisp-Week 25,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

  6. Mintman says

    HR gold will die on the vine
    As for the First Haags–even if they sold sub 1000 coins the upside is limited due to a lack of DEMAND

  7. cagcrisp says

    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 23,500
    cagcrisp-Week 25,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

  8. AZ Dan says

    17CB still seems like the option to purchase if one is going to buy the Boys Town Gold coin. The mintage for the uncirculated is much lower than the the one for the proof (17CA & 17CG).

  9. Joe M. says

    2017 HR Gold predictions biased by my not wanting this over-priced “politically-correct” UGLY piece.
    15,000 first day
    18,000 first week
    20,000 first year
    Less than 23,000 until pulled in 2019 😉

  10. says

    MAY
    02
    2017

    Frederic Douglass National Historic Site 2017 Uncirculated Five Ounce Silver Coin

    MAY
    11
    2017

    American Buffalo 2017 One Ounce Gold Proof Coin

    MAY
    17
    2017

    Uncirculated Coin Set 2017

  11. cagcrisp says

    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 23,500
    cagcrisp-Week 25,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

  12. cagcrisp says

    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 23,500
    cagcrisp-Week 25,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

    zephin-Day 20,100
    zephin-Week 22,100
    zephin-2017 28,100

  13. says

    2017 Silver Krugerrand’s –

    1. South African rand pummeled as finance minister fired

    The rand sank as much as 2.6% against the dollar on Friday, before paring losses, as South African President Jacob Zuma announced a cabinet shuffle, firing Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan and replacing him with Home Affairs Minister Malusi Gigaba along with various other ministers and their deputies.

    Speculation of the move this week has sent the South African currency reeling with the rand on track for a weekly loss of close to 7%.

    Political uncertainty is a hot topic for markets as concern over U.S. President Donald Trump’s ability to move forward with tax reforms, infrastructure spending and deregulation was put into question by his failure last week to repeal and replace the country’s healthcare system.

    Europe is also in the spotlight as the U.K. officially began the process to exit the European Union last Wednesday and investors looked ahead to key elections in France and Germany later this year.

    Wonder if MCM or GovMint will pass along any of the savings / currency profits on to us, in the form of lower Silver Krug prices???

    HAHAHA

  14. Old Big Bird says

    Back to an older topic the new item listed in the USM Sales figures as of 03/26/17.

    They showed a new item # 17EA042 2017 Am Eagle Silver Proof 1 OZ (Bulk) “W” as a quantity of 186.
    As stated before I called the USM and could not get an answer as to what that 186 came too.
    They are purchased from bulk buyer (special class of buyer) and are orders of $5,000 or more and they get a 5% discount also.

    Well after some thought if there were two buyers each buying 93 of these at $53.95 each comes to the
    minimum purchase amount of $5,017.35 .

    So my best guess is that is 186 pieces.
    Anyone have any better guess.

  15. Old Big Bird says

    oh my 2017HR guesstimate

    7,500 first day
    17,500 first week.

    It will not go well. Not a pretty coin in my opinion and pricing will be high.

  16. cagcrisp says

    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 23,500
    cagcrisp-Week 25,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

    zephin-Day 20,100
    zephin-Week 22,100
    zephin-2017 28,100

    Old Big Bird-Day 7,500
    Old Big Bird-Week 17,500

  17. earthling says

    The Jackie Kennedy Gold BU is continuing a steady advance towards Sold Out status.

    84 BU Coins are available

    I might need to order up 2 of these instead of 1 of that HR Gold. Jackie certainly is easier to look at.

  18. Goat says

    Mintman says
    MARCH 30, 2017 AT 3:08 PM

    2017-S first strike eligible coins will only be from the congratulations set
    Keep this in mind
    Coins offered later in the year won’t be eligible

    ???

    If graders designated a name of orientation too other sets they may have early release/first strikes also. With the first set available we know 75,000 will be minted and that’s a lot of early/first .

  19. Goat says

    cagcrisp;

    Goat – Day 26183
    Goat – Week 31183

    Would like to buy but missing out on 1/4 oz. + (bullion) is not worth at this time.

  20. cagcrisp says

    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 23,500
    cagcrisp-Week 25,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

    zephin-Day 20,100
    zephin-Week 22,100
    zephin-2017 28,100

    Old Big Bird-Day 7,500
    Old Big Bird-Week 17,500

    Goat-Day 26,183
    Goat-Week 31,183

  21. Jim says

    Just rec’d my 2017 Proof American Silver Eagles. Flawless. Reminds me when I was a kid and would go to the local Trading Post and buy 1 dollar face value for 3 dollars before they went to Boston for melting. Walking Liberty has been my favorite for more years than I care to remember. My Mother used to pay the paperboy with Morgan Dollars. Wish I had that bag full now. Oh well, little trip down memory lane.

  22. data dave says

    People have mentioned that the 2017 S Proof Silver Eagle will be available in the LESPS later this year. What they aren’t saying is that that is an EXPENSIVE way to collect the coin. For 2016 the set sells for $140 compared to $107 total for the Silver Proof Eagle and Silver Proof Set. If you put all the extra premium into just getting the S Proof Eagle, you are paying $92 for the coin if you wait and buy it then.

    I guess if the coin is selling for $100 at that point that will be a good deal. But if it is selling for $80, not so much.

  23. cagcrisp says

    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 23,500
    cagcrisp-Week 25,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

    zephin-Day 20,100
    zephin-Week 22,100
    zephin-2017 28,100

    Old Big Bird-Day 7,500
    Old Big Bird-Week 17,500

    Goat-Day 26,183
    Goat-Week 31,183

    Don-Day 15,250
    Don-Week 21,000
    Don-End Sell 45,000

  24. cagcrisp says

    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 23,500
    cagcrisp-Week 25,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

    zephin-Day 20,100
    zephin-Week 22,100
    zephin-2017 28,100

    Old Big Bird-Day 7,500
    Old Big Bird-Week 17,500

    Goat-Day 26,183
    Goat-Week 31,183

    Don-Day 15,250
    Don-Week 21,000
    Don-End Sell 45,000

    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Day 10,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Week 15,000

  25. cagcrisp says

    You Know…

    …IF I was a member of the CCAC or the CFA and I Spent all the Time and Effort on trying to get the 2017 HR Right with it being the #1 Launch of the Year, I would Really Really be Upset that the Mint decided to Upstage the Launch by introducing the “S” Congratulations set 2 days before the Most Important day on the CY17 Schedule.

    It could have been introduced 2 days After Launch.

    But 2 days Before Launch?

    All that is going to be talked about leading up to Launch is How fast the 75,000 Congratulations Sets Sold Out, How Many I Got, How much money I’m Going to make On them, How the Mint should have put a HHL….etc….

    Just Saying…

  26. Dustyroads says

    Once again, it appears there is a fundamental disconnect between the coin collecting community’s thinking and the USM actions. It’s been my assumption that even when something is obvious, it’s still too difficult to change at the USM.

  27. Phil says

    Cag, you might as well start a prediction list of how fast the 2017 congratulations S ASE is going to sell out. This will be a must have for most ASE collectors and I’ll bet the big boys are going to scoop up everyone of them they can get their hands on. ER and FS 70 will be at a premium. My guess to start is 11 minutes to sell out.

  28. says

    Phil says
    MARCH 31, 2017 AT 7:08 PM

    Cag, you might as well start a prediction list of how fast the 2017 congratulations S ASE is going to sell out.

    Phil, we sort of addressed that on the past thread. Gotta read the threads Bro.

    Coinweek is predicting a quick sell out per their latest article citing PCGS as their tip off.

    I think they got it here courtesy of Hawkeye Larry. Now that the word is out, among other reasons I’m not going to share here, all you Old Timers that want to complete your ASE sets, again, you need to line up at 12:00, 04 April.., nough on that.

  29. Yes, But...You Can't Take It With You says

    Cag, I agree with what you wrote about the Congrats Set overshadowing the 2017 HR and that same thought had crossed my mind. On the Congrats Set, IF the word gets out (beyond MNB) – and that’s a big IF – my guess would be a sellout in less than 10 minutes. But who knows?

    My guesses on 2017 HR:
    1st Day – 15,000
    Week – 20,000
    Total – 50,000

  30. cagcrisp says

    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 23,500
    cagcrisp-Week 25,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

    zephin-Day 20,100
    zephin-Week 22,100
    zephin-2017 28,100

    Old Big Bird-Day 7,500
    Old Big Bird-Week 17,500

    Goat-Day 26,183
    Goat-Week 31,183

    Don-Day 15,250
    Don-Week 21,000
    Don-End Sell 45,000

    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Day 10,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Week 15,000

    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Day 15,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Week 20,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Final 50,000

  31. earthling says

    Anyone know where to buy attractive Coin Stickers ? Certain sellers have put out various SAE’s that have turned out to be nothing but pretty stickers on an SAE.

    If we could find attractive stickers maybe we could transform that Gold Coin into something else. I want a Farrah Fawcett sticker. Give her a crown of Stars and that bright smile she always had.

    💖

  32. Joe M. says

    @ earthling
    Just her face with that BEAUTIFUL smile, or that famous red bikini poster 🙂
    LoL

  33. Xena says

    So the Mint’s infinite wisdom is worse than the 2 day difference with the HR, they are stomping right on their own quarter launch. Not going to be there, going to be either in line at the DC Mint store or sitting at my desk at high noon. Although it doesn’t really take much to discourage people from heading to Anacostia.

  34. Xena says

    So now that the Mint ruined the reunion of the MNB quarter-launch bunch, still wondering if any of the DC area folks are going to the coin forum. My brother actually got an invite-looking snail mail card announcing the launch and forum. It says: “RSVP required for coin forum and entry to the U.S. Mint building ddawson@usmint.treas.gov

    So let ddawson know if you are going – Monday 3-4, 801 9th Street NW

  35. says

    Millennials –

    Come on, back over the summer through the winter of ’16 some of you all provided some great insights and perspectives.., you’re a rairity among your generation and here’s an opportunity to voice your thoughts..,

    So…, put Cag to work, let’s hear where you think HR sales will end up.

    Though more importantly why.., you’re perspective matters…

    Time to step it up.., so let’s hear it.

    Thus far, not one Millennium has voice an opinion.., let’s hear it!

  36. Xena says

    There’s no way I’m a buyer on the gold HR – can’t afford it and the crown o’ stars is all wrong. Might spring for the medals though. But I’ll throw a guess in – probably guarantees the real number won’t be anything close 🙂

    Day – 11500
    Week – 12700

    Earthing – you have a printer? Make up your own stickers! You can have anything you want! I still say we should have an MNB logo…

  37. says

    Sorry Xena – I’ll be out of town in defense of our great Nation, though agree with your assessment, very bad head work at the U.S. Mint on many fronts as of late.

    This will probably be the last ‘near by’ event of the series.

  38. Xena says

    Does anyone know if the $24999 max credit card limit on the Mint’s website applies to the big boys? That’s 454 Congratulation Sets at a time. Not sure how many times they could set up the bots with different cards. Hard to believe the Mint would make them go through that.

    There’s only 1 ebay vendor with them listed, you can buy one right now for $64.99 (and 10% ebay bucks). Word can’t be spreading that much.

  39. Larry says

    I do not understand the no household limit on the Congratulations set. HSN guy could buy all of them. Heck, any of the big guys could buy all of them and corner the entire market. The ASE is probably the most popular coin the mint makes. The mint better put a household limit on these, or it will sell out immediately and they will never hear the end of it. While I am happy they are doing the S ASE, I just don’t understand why they never learn. I’m sure all of us here that have gone through the agony of getting on the mint’s website at exactly 12:00 only to see the dreaded “no longer available” come up, do not want to got through it again!

  40. DBR says

    Louis Golino, Author wrote:

    “The LESPS are normally limited to 50K, so 50 plus 75 = 125K max for the 2017-S ASE proof. That is unless they sell it in another product, or up the LESPS mintage, that is still a very lower number around the 3rd lowest. I’m still excited and in for a few. I can use the excitement…”

    I could see a lot of people shut out of a 2017 “S” ASE if there is no HHL on the Congratulations Set and later the LESPS.

    It’ll be a frenzy at 12:00 noon EST. I don’t see the mint making one of the offerings with the “S” ASE to be “mint to demand.” It is not a proof coin so it could go into the annual uncirculated dollar set. No Presidential dollar coins now. So the 2017 unc dollar set could have a “W” ASE as usual, the new “S” ASE, the regular Native American dollar for 2017. A fancy enhancy Native American dollar will likely be in 2017 American $1 Coin & Currency Set. (that makes that product sell much better along with specially selected currency notes with interesting serial numbers).

    I believe the mint when they said they’d jazz things up a bit for this momentous anniversary. I don’t mean to be rude or anything but this is a special anniversary, the 225th. When the next 25-year milestone is reached for the mint’s 250th, I’ll be 75 years-old!!! I may not make that, so that sobering fact makes me grateful to celebrate this one with the numismatic community.

    So here’s to all the longtime, lifelong collectors on this MNB, you’ve experienced the heyday of collecting, true, but I’m hoping it’s a foundation for even better years ahead …though the hobby and offferings will change to be sure. Thank you for your contributions to U.S. Numismatics.

    The 225th anniversary product I would like to see is a mint type set. Take a coin, a newly designed coin, and create a mint-marked version of it from all the mints (P, D, S, CC, O, W, et al., even if these coins had to be hand pressed at the older mints). That’d be nice but probably very expensive. But a very historic set.

  41. KCSO says

    With the different finishes and likely higher cost, a 4-medal set or a four medals individually may run $140 to 155 out the door.

  42. cagcrisp says

    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 23,500
    cagcrisp-Week 25,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

    zephin-Day 20,100
    zephin-Week 22,100
    zephin-2017 28,100

    Old Big Bird-Day 7,500
    Old Big Bird-Week 17,500

    Goat-Day 26,183
    Goat-Week 31,183

    Don-Day 15,250
    Don-Week 21,000
    Don-End Sell 45,000

    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Day 10,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Week 15,000

    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Day 15,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Week 20,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Final 50,000

    Xena-Day 11,500
    Xena-Week 12,700

  43. KCSO says

    Larry – I feel your pain; and to your point, one must ask, what if the mint only shows with 35,000 of the 70,000 product limit on game day? Hmmmm…. 🤔

  44. says

    Cag – with the show casing of the HR Silver Medals at Whitman now, I’m inclined to think those on the lower end of the range will be more accurate than my Guesstimate prediction

  45. cagcrisp says

    @KCSO, Well…The Mint Sure is doing some strange things to Upstage the Gold Launch.

    The Strange “S” offering 2 days before Launch, No HHL on the “S” Launch and Now viewing the Silver Medals at the Whitman show…

  46. Ilaika says

    HR lady liberty’s portrait resemble Michelle Obama very much. Anyone think Obama had any influence on this? The reverse eagle looks great. On the fence for this one.

  47. So Krates says

    llaika says, ‘HR lady liberty’s portrait resemble Michelle Obama very much. Anyone think Obama had any influence on this? ”

    You (and countless others who have posted here and elsewhere with similar opinions) are suffering from the cross-race effect . You are obviously not black and have a hard time perceiving the subtle but clear differences between Mrs. Obama’s and Miss Liberty’s features. It is a well documented and studied delusion which occurs in most people who don’t have experience with the ethnic “outgroup” in question.

    In other words, you need some black friends so every sista don’t look the same .

  48. Throckmorton says

    I’m afraid I have talked myself into buying a few congrats sets just for the thrill of the hunt.

    In other news, I bet I can find a nice 50 peso Mexican gold from the 1920’s for roughly the same price as the 2017 HR.

  49. says

    ‘S’ ASE –

    It’s a darn shame they didn’t include it in the Reagan Coin & Chronicle set..,
    We get it in the Congratulations set.., Wow.

    …The Mint Sure is doing some strange things…

  50. earthling says

    ”  He also wondered if the price point for a dollar-and-medal package—$100 or more—might be too high for many collectors. He recommended issuing the medals individually and in a lower-priced bronze format. (For comparison, the Mint’s 1.5-inch medals in bronze are priced at $6.95 and its 3-inch medals in bronze are $39.95.)

    Why don’t they just stop milking the herd and just throw out some “free” fodder. The Kennedy Half is about as tired as can be. Couldn’t they just issue all these brilliant ” Medal” ideas, as Commemorative Half Dollars – at face value? And to make a bit more profit they could issue limited PM versions in Proof and BU.

    They keep shearing the Sheep and Milking the Bulls , us dumb animals might smarten up and just stop doing anything at all. We’ll just lay down and stage a protest of some sort.

    😾

  51. KEITHSTER says

    It’s just too bad the Mint did not make the gold coin just like they did the medals? they would have sold them out in a hurry. Three different at 33,333 in each finish . That reverse proof is the bomb they should had made that the coin looks more real even on the back shelf ! O well maybe next time they seem to be picking up a little off the blog Well Good Luck Any Way All”>”>”>

  52. earthling says

    I’ve forgotten that the Mint no longer issues Half Dollars to Banks at face value. Oh well, Kennedy is tired, let the Man rest. Start issuing Clad Commemorative Halves at a modest premium over face. Make these brilliant “Medals” into Half Dollars to replace Kennedy. The Half Dollar doesn’t circulate and it’s big.

    Time for those City minters in DC to act like they got human brains , not some useless PC paper degreed brain.

  53. earthling says

    P.S. If they issue Commemorative Clad Halves at a small premium over face , I’ll do my part in releasing some into the wild. Once in a while.

    I’m about that bored. That’s something I do to kick out the jams.

  54. VA Bob says

    I still can’t believe people fall for that “First Strike” gimmick. These S ASE’s most likely will be struck around the same time, and one has just as good a chance of getting the real first one made in either the Congratulation set or the LESPS. Now, I know the folks commenting on it here in MNB are just pointing out some look for and pay more for this LABEL. I’m more interested in the buyers of these as an investment/collectable. Do you worry that the truth of it will be come widely known in the future, impacting the premium that charged at purchase?

  55. sharks2th says

    @KCSO – Mr. Mackey from the South Park cartoon is selling your BHOF silver proofs on HSN tonight, Mmm-Kay. He is asking 99.95 in the OGP, Mmm-Kay. It is a price cut from his previous price of 129.95, Mmm-Kay. He says he originally sold them for 149.95, Mmm-Kay.

    If you listen to Mike the shyster, he sounds just like the Mr. Mackey character on South Park when says “Mmm-Kay”.

    He’s also got the ANACS PR-70 2017 silver eagles for 179.95. What a ripoff.

    @Xena & Paddy, too – I’m going to skip the D.C. mint release on Tuesday as well. Maybe we’ll catch you guys at another event.

  56. says

    @ sharks2th – that’s funny, I’ll take your word for it as I jdon’t want to toss the good mean I just enjoyed if I were to to tune in to see that clown.

    Yeah, I can’t make the D.C., too much stuff going on. Though do you think they’ll be selling those ASE S at the HQ kiosk? Those $1 BHoFs still seem to be loosing steam though the golds are picking up again with some decent price pressure. I’ve decide to lock up my sealed $1 and forget about them for about 5 to 10 years, they’ll come around in due time, with all the coins being repurposed for slabbed labels, in beginning to think the future demand will be on OGP. Ag will be back in the $30’s at some point when China & India get their economies firing on all cylinders again, then it’ll be watch out.

  57. Xena says

    KCSO – I’ll let you know Monday about the Mint store. My brother is going to stop by and ask. They should have them since there is no HHL.

  58. Numismatrix says

    “I’m more interested in the buyers of these as an investment/collectable. ” – VABob

    I would agree completely. I view this coin/set as another
    edition / addition to my set of OGP-ASEs.

  59. felson says

    $1100 for a graded bullion coin…. 1 of 11,000,000+…. not sure I understand whatever logic they were using to make that call. PCGS is missing the boat, they need to roll out the classic holder series and stop with the pointless labels.

  60. Natatack says

    Anybody think it’s would be a good time to commemorate a 100 year anniversary of the Peace dollar in 2021? Maybe a high relieve and or a matte proof. Also maybe commemorate the end of the Morgan dollar 100 years ago in 2021, both of these classics were ended/started in 1921.

  61. cagcrisp says

    @Natatack, It has been mentioned Many times by Me that I Hope the Mint will do a Full1 oz Gold Peace Dollar in 2021…

  62. HarryB says

    @cag: I too would like to see a 1oz gold 2021 Peace dollar commerative, but by 2021 the Mint’s premium over spot may be well in excess of 50% unless the decline in sales of all Mint collector products is reversed. The Mint’s reliance on ever increasing premiums over spot on PM offerings in a declining collector market will destroy the Mint’s business model. Sad. Harry

  63. Donald says

    One business day remains for the Mint to make a decision on a HH limit for the 2017 S ASE proof before it turns off another chunk of collectors.

  64. cagcrisp says

    Considering ALL interested parties in the “S” ASE, I Hope the Mint leaves the HHL at None.

    IF you want to Buy, Buy. Quit playing class warfare between different parties.

    Everyone has an Equal Chance at Noon on Tuesday.

    The Mint Screwed Up by having a HHL on the 3 coin BT set…

  65. says

    Putting an ASE ‘S’ in of all things, a Congratulations Set with a Product Limit of 75,000.., reeks of desperation and ineptitude.., in a most cheesy way.

    Very Cheesy.

    Besides, how many non-LESPS collectors want to spend $140 for a last ditch effort to pick up an ASE S?

    Well, anyway, with that.., answer this, does the 🎉 Set go CU in minutes?, hours? or will live to see 05 April ’17

  66. earthling says

    On the appointed day I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the entire mintage of that Congrats Set is already gone. 😠😢😣 ( Big Boy bought em all a month ago)

    But no sweat. No worries. Maybe Congrats II will be on the way – P-Mint Proof -mintage 70K, HHL 1.

  67. says

    Just out of curiosity –

    How many of you come Tuesday are going to have to excuse yourself for a 15 minute ‘smoke break,’ Bio break, or a run to the car at 11:55 on Tuesday to place your order?

    Any unique order placing stories?

    I once had to place my cell phone up to an aircraft window on departure climb out to get one through, surprisingly it took at 2,000 ft.

  68. Xena says

    KCSO – mentioned the 454 Friday night. The 165 orders is the scarier number though…

    Cag – not everyone can be sitting at a computer or phone at exactly noon EDT, so I’d argue it’s not a fair shot for everyone. You are lucky to have a lot of flexibility at your day job. I want one for my collection, which is almost a complete set. I like the excitement of the new ASE but would rather not have the stress of worrying whether I can actually get a couple at list price.

    Natatack – agreed on the Peace dollar. The gold bugs want one too, but I would rather see it done only in the original silver. Write your member of congress!

  69. earthling says

    The Jackie Kennedy BU First Spouse Gold is on the move. Currently there are 81 Coins left. The pace has picked up, I wonder if they’ll all be gone in a few days. A decision could be made on HR Day (4-6-7) between 2 Jackies or 1 Michele O? Same price. Low Mintage vs possible high mintage. Beautiful Coin vs pretty coin. Camelot vs some dark years.

  70. So Krates says

    I’m not sure how cagcrisp figures that a HHL = class warfare. I heard the same hyperbole about the WHL second shot.

    There is no dollar limit on transactions paid for by wire transfer and therefore is no HHL. In theory, one party can buy all the sets. Yes we all have an equally slim chance to get one, and we all have an equal chance to buy them ALL. So what? Rationing a product in high demand to promote more equitable distribution is not “class warfare”.

  71. Donald says

    For some commenters, especially those who post continuously during all waking hours, this Blog is their day (and night) job. No problem for them come Tuesday– they’ll be poised and ready with a steady pulse. No HH limit needed.

  72. cagcrisp says

    Here are SOME of the Negative Comments on This blog when the “W” ASE Proof was announced.

    NOW with what is “perceived” as a Valuable “S” Proof ASE people are posting about their desire to get the “S”.

    …SO… The desire is NOT really for the “S” coin as much as it’s desired because of the “perceived” secondary market pricing because of the Low Initial mintage.

    …No Love for the “W” on this blog and NOW they’re worried about playing class warfare and picking and choosing who can and can not be allowed to purchase the coins because of an Artificial quota system like a HHL because THEY want the “S”…

    • gary says
    March 20, 2017 at 4:32 pm
    $54 = $17 silver & dated 2017. Pass.

    • JARHEADnFLORIDA says
    March 20, 2017 at 4:40 pm
    @ Gary, I agree with you. Same old design, just another date with ever increasing prices.

    • one fine dime says
    March 20, 2017 at 7:22 pm
    I concur with ‘gary’ and ‘JARHEADnFLORIDA’!

    • David says
    March 20, 2017 at 7:28 pm
    I agree, $54 for $17 bullion value is a bit much. A $37 mark up is too rich for my blood.

    • Barry says
    March 20, 2017 at 7:38 pm
    A Morgan dollar random year for less than $ 42.00. Take your pick. I’ll take the Morgan dollar. Thank you.

    • John Q. Coinage says
    March 20, 2017 at 7:44 pm
    I used to get so fired up…Now there are decades & decades of these coins, time for a NEW design. Add in the price is well over 3x spot & it’s a heck of a deal.

    • Jerry Diekmann says
    March 20, 2017 at 8:37 pm
    I agree that it is WAY PAST TIME to change the tired old unattractive reverse design

    • Scott says
    March 21, 2017 at 9:24 am
    Way the hell overpriced and a tired design. It’s time for something new, but please no P.C. B.S.

  73. VA Bob says

    KCSO – Had to laugh when you mentioned about running to the car to place an order. The tribulations of working at a secure facility. What is really sad is I have Tuesday off for a doctors appointment that happens to be at 11:40. LOL Never thought I’d miss the old mail in order form (pre-online ordering). It took a while, but I always got what I wanted.

    Oh well, I’m really beginning to tire of the games at the Mint anyway. You’re right, there is some thing strange about putting this coin into a “Congratulations” set when very few will be given as a congratulatory gift to non-numismatic collectors. Most recipients would probably smile, say thank you, and throw this in a sock drawer, oblivious to a little “S” mint mark, let alone a shinny silver dollar dare not spent at face value. I’ve drastically scaled back my Mint purchases this year. Of course the Mint is helping me immensely with either poor designs or the embarrassing lavish premiums they are charging.

  74. earthling says

    One things for sure, declining sales/mintage has been a fact since the economic collapse in 2008. If our new POTUS can spark a fire maybe things will get better for the man in the street. Maybe the Coin World will recover one day? One can only hope.

    Jackie BU Gold is still at 81 (left in stock). I surprised , seemed like they were about to be sold out really soon. Maybe give it another week.

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