The 2017 Congratulations Set with S-Mint silver Eagle: If nothing else, it will be exciting

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The Mint promised us a number of surprises for its 225th-anniversary year. The first was the news that the 2017 cents minted in Philadelphia would, for the first time ever, have the P mintmark. Word got around slowly, starting with a post on a PCGS discussion board about a 2017-P penny that had turned up in pocket change.

Then, just last week, another such surprise came out, and it, too, was unannounced—a sort of Easter egg for the collecting public to discover. The annual Congratulations Set, which has contained a standard-issue, West Point–minted Proof silver Eagle since the sets were first released in 2012, will be released at noon tomorrow with a Proof ASE from the San Francisco Mint, complete with mintmark.

The news of this one traveled more quickly, first surfacing in comment threads and on message boards: Am I seeing this right? or I think the Mint made a typo. As more people went to the Mint’s website and scrutinized the photos, the cat was let out of the proverbial bag, and the story moved from the comment threads to the headlines. Soon afterward, a Mint press release announced that, not only would the Congratulations Set have an S-Mint Proof, the 2017 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set would, as well.

The exciting part, of course, is not so much the existence of the S-marked ASE but the matter of its potential mintage. The product limit for the Congratulations Set is 75,000; for the LESPS, it has traditionally been 50,000. There’s nothing to keep the Mint from raising the limit on the latter, or from adding the S-Mint Proofs to another product later in the year. But no one wants to get shut out when the 2017-S coin could end up being a low-mintage key date. The price point, $54.95, means that it’s no huge loss for the buyer if it doesn’t work out that way.

The price point is also a clue to the Mint’s timing with the coin. On Thursday, the Mint is releasing one of its highest-priced items of the year: the American Liberty 225th-anniversary gold coin. Even at spot value, the coin would be out of reach for casual collectors—and its final price will be several hundred dollars over spot. Why not release a budget-minded coin with a bit of excitement to it, around the same time as the big-ticket item? That gives everyone a chance to play.

Collectors and would-be flippers will be poised tomorrow at noon Eastern time for the set’s release. A few will get through right away; many more will have to refresh the screen several times to get in. With no household order limit in play, quite a number of people will buy multiples. And, of course, many people will be shut out, and will have to make a decision: pay a premium now—either on ebay or in buying a pricey LESPS—and risk wasting their money when the mintage runs into the high range? Or don’t buy one at all, and risk kicking themselves when the 2017-S ends up being a comparative rarity?   ❑

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  1. says

    I have a favor to ask –

    If you’re able to place an order with in 12:05, List the ORDER # (last 2 digits as XX’s is fine) and the EXACT TIME.

    An order # at 12:10,
    12:15,
    12:20, &
    12:30

    Would be appreciated!

    Remember, List the ORDER # (last 2 digits as XX’s is fine) and the EXACT TIME.

    Good luck & thanks!

  2. cagcrisp says

    There is Only two things that moves markets:

    1. Greed
    2. Fear

    I’m seeing NO Fear and a LOT of Greed

    Long Term I’ll take the Contrarian View.

    A Lot of things have to go right for a success. Only one thing has to go wrong for a failure…

  3. Joe M. says

    Please don’t kick us out at 12:00:01 and finally get in at 12:15 to see Sold Out…
    then see the big boys have 1,000 available 🙁
    I’ve been kicked in the $%#* in other offerings…ouch!
    🙂
    …either way, it’s going to be FUN!!!!
    Good Luck, everyone. See you at noon…9:00 am for us west coasters.
    🙂

  4. KML in KY says

    Good luck to all those who try for the “S” later today. If I don’t get in I won’t be buying it on the secondary market.

    I don’t think I’ll be buying the gold Liberty from the Mint. With a high mintage and no HHL the big boys will buy a bunch and certify them. It is likely after a little while 70’s will be available with a small premium if I decide I want one.

  5. So Krates says

    “…this time there’s no restrictive HHL (so far), so everyone starts out on equal footing.”

    I fail to understand this argument. Everyone starts out on an equal footing with or without a HHL. What am I missing?

  6. says

    Still holding so far –

    Item Number: 17RF
    Mintage Limit: None
    Product Limit: 75,000
    Household Order Limit: None

  7. cagcrisp says

    @So Krates “I fail to understand this argument. Everyone starts out on an equal footing with or without a HHL. What am I missing?”

    It is referred to as “Capitalism”.

    I know you understand Socialism ….Well.

    This is “Capitalism”.

    You are NOT restricted by an Arbitrary HHL that some person has set. You are restricted by Nothing. You can buy ALL you want ( UP TO the HHL of $25k Restriction set by a credit card) before the Time Runs Out on The Clock.

    HHL Only benefit those that want to purchase Up To The Household Limit. It screws ANYONE that wants to purchase Over the Arbitrary HHL.

    “Equal Footing , means Equal Footing”. At High Noon Fire away and purchase as Many as You Want Until the Clock Runs Out.

    Equal for EVERYONE…

  8. says

    So the weekly average thus far is below $1,250, though with this pop to $1,258 and should it hold, then the HR remains $1,690?

  9. cagcrisp says

    @KCSO, “So the weekly average thus far is below $1,250, though with this pop to $1,258 and should it hold, then the HR remains $1,690?”

    Yes. The averages are Under $1,250.00, However, IF Wednesday’s PM is $1,250.00 or Above then Yes we have a $1,690.00 coin…

  10. bigguy says

    agree with KML ,kentucky do not see all the excitement in this S proof ,with both sets will be over 100,000,just hang back an buy one off a dealer a year from now,this same thing happens all the time with coins,just wait and pick it help later ,Iam not one for paying for hype

  11. says

    “The stage is set–” IMPLIES that we have a commercial baseline established.
    You will also note that ONLY 4 are available – ALSO, IMPLYING a precedent for a big release.

    NOW, shifting gears, KCSO offers this opinion – a $400 premium for a 70 ON TOP of an already $490 premium..,

    HAHAHA – what are they smok’n!

    One more take away –

    Do a search, how many are offering the HR slabbed.., what does that tell ya? 🤔

  12. says

    Capitalism Holding –

    Item Number: 17RF
    Mintage Limit: None
    Product Limit: 75,000
    Household Order Limit: None

  13. MikeinPA says

    The 2017 congratulations set is pre-sale for $69.99 with free shipping on the bay, doesn’t seem like much mark up for flippers, minimum of ten dollars for shipping and fees

  14. David says

    I’m passing on this. I don’t buy proof bullion because of the inflated price….low mintage or not. I collect because I like the coins, not because of some potential windfall.

  15. joe#2 says

    Been in this business since early 1970’s. I wish i could see the excitement in this. I guess because the Mint has been putting out less than average appeal, That ANYTHING with a potential with a .0001 upside or so is cause for celebration. Not worth the price on this, And will come down. The grading companies having a field day once again. What ever happened to the good old simple times with REAL excitement in coins. New generation i guess. NOT for the better imo.

  16. says

    MikeinPA says
    APRIL 4, 2017 AT 10:30 AM –

    I’ve been watching this, it appears this guy and one other are asleep at the wheel, IMO.

    Bedsides, he may not get the coins he’s selling

    A&L – Check

  17. ndjay says

    hey joe#2
    Congratulations on being in this business since the early 70’s. Not a lot of people can say that.
    What your saying to me is this coin has a .0001 upside. is that the ONLY reason you buy coins is for the upside. Well a lot of people collect the ASE in all forms. So I say let them (us) get excited about a new mint mark ASE.
    What exactly is your “REAL excitement in coins” anyways.
    Isn’t coin collecting about each person finding their own excitement in coins.
    I can’t afford the big kills and i don’t want to wait around for them.
    It’s the little things that matter, the small excitements to me. But…
    To each his own. IMO

  18. joe#2 says

    ndjay… Correct. I agree with you. Each his/her own. Different generation. Just voicing MY opinion, Like most. So much more to say on this but why bother..lol It is what it is.

  19. ndjay says

    joe#2
    Exactly!
    It is what it is.
    And to me it is just a hobby that I enjoy. If you take that away from me you will no longer have a business.

  20. Larry says

    So far this year, this has been the ONLY little bit of excitement from the mint. I am not an ASE collector, but I did buy many of the anniversary sets. So I really don’t need another ASE. But what the heck, it will be a little fun to try and get one. Maybe I will give it to someone and say “Congratulations”!

  21. Brad says

    There might not even be 75,000 sets ready to go. Last year’s Congratulations Set hasn’t even sold 3,000 units yet. Remember, this is the same Mint that thought 17,000 Truman C & C sets would be enough based on past year’s sets performances!

  22. Tom P. - MA says

    850xx at a little after noon. A whopping one piece ordered.
    How is this a set? It’s just one coin?

  23. Teach says

    Opps, listed my number wrong…..just glad I was able to get through.

    12:01 USM 49852XX

  24. I started collecting yesterday says

    oops. posted wrong numbers. please excuse the newbie
    12:00:43; #49850 (1 item)

  25. Yes, But...You Can't Take It With You says

    12:01 #049851xx (Quantity: 4)
    12:02 #049857xx (Quantity: 2)

    Smooth as Ex-lax.

  26. Joe M. says

    JohnT58 # is lower than mine.
    The Real “Cool” Brad is higher than mine.
    Got 50.
    🙂

  27. Brad says

    The Mint may end up enacting that escape clause that says they reserve the right to limit quantities that it determines is in it’s best interest.

  28. DBR says

    I logged in at 12:00 noon. Already said on backorder and kicked me out. “Prouduct no longer available.”

    What a disaster! Cheers to those who got one though!

    Very poor launch and misuse of what this product was meant to be as consumers.

    I’ll wait until LESPS I I guess.

  29. Larry says

    I had one, then while I was checking out it became unavailable. I was there exactly at 12:00. Oh well. I tried. At least my prediction was correct. Gone instantly, thanks the the ridiculous no HHL. To those that said everyone had the same chance, you are wrong. Obviously, some or one of the big players bought a ton of these. The mint must take the blame for this. Anyone with any intelligence could have seen this would happen. Shame on the mint.
    I bet there are a lot of angry collectors out there.

  30. Techsjj says

    This is CRAP. I was on the phone at 12 noon and on the website with the set in my basket. I could not check out and the operator said it just went on sale but is completely sold out at 12:01. I could not get one.
    Techsjj

  31. Baldwin says

    I have to say that was the easiest order I have place on the new system. I even had to switch credit cards mid-order and had no issues. The only question we have remaining is are they truly sold, or is this just the quantity they had available?

  32. sharks2th says

    049852XX @ 12:00:50

    I’m not surprised at the quick unavailable or sellout, but I am surprised at how well the website worked. There were no hitches, glitches, delays or bugs with this order.

  33. Louis Golino, Author says

    I was going to do a second order but they went too fast. Unless they come back.

  34. NoName says

    Ordered 3 at 9 AM PT. Got in and got out. 2 minutes later, product was back ordered.

    Last 4 digits of my order number: 5271

  35. Baldwin says

    Louis… I was also going to order a couple of more. I guess I’ll be happy with the 4 I did snag!

  36. Hidalgo says

    The US Mint likely had a relatively small quantity on hand. (20,000 or so?) To think that it had 75,000 initially for sale would have been a deviation from past practices. And it would have been foolish since it may not have been able to sell the full amount because of weak demand.

  37. captainrich says

    Perhaps someone should remind the US Mint that the intended purpose behind their Congratulations Coin folder is to present a special keepsake for this year’s graduate. But how many of these sets will reach the hand of a graduate? Less than one percent, maybe? Today’s offering seems to have defeated the purpose of the Congratulations Set.

  38. Louis Golino, Author says

    I suggested to the mint to limit to 5 or 10 per HHL, and they passed it along, but apparently did not agree.

    But caution is in order until we know if they are really gone or just out of stock. I am pretty sure they had a lot more than 5K ready but probably not the full 75.

  39. DBR says

    Lol! And then to rub it in, the mint sends the reminder notice to purchase the Congratulations Set at 12:06pm EST. So rude!

    I tried to order from the U.S. Mint phone app which is always a mistake on launches like this. But I had no choice.

    Better luck to you all!

    Gotta get into work! Pay dem bills!

  40. Xena says

    Louis – that’s the BIG question – is this it (except for LESPs) or will they come back? Head to the Mint store if you want a few more! Unless my brother listens to KSCO and goes back and buys more…

  41. Louis Golino, Author says

    has everyone received their e-mails from the mint?

    I know my order went through and is processing but waiting on the e-mail.

  42. JBK says

    I got 2, no issues at noon. I am an idiot – should have gotten more… I won’t but the overpriced LESPS, so this was my one and only shot at the S proof.

  43. Numismatrix says

    I placed two orders for one, 1 minute apart – 12.00.35 / 12.01.25
    300 orders were placed in that minute.

  44. A&L Futures says

    @ EVERYONE — if you live near the U.S. Mint’s Denver Gift shop, they have them in-hand for walk-ins only.

  45. Fmtransmitter says

    If THAT wasn’t a way to appease all the big boys, I don’t know what was. They backed the truck up on that one and all the 68s will be sent back for refunds and used in the LeSPS, and that’s how our beloved hobby is today….Tell your kids…

  46. Throckmorton says

    I’ll happily let these 5 go at a grand a piece. There is a 1854 D $5 that I want to glom on to.

  47. A&L Futures says

    Based on USM Tracking numbers listed here:

    First Known Order — USM049849XX
    Last Known Order — USM049857XX

    BLUF: roughly 800 orders (so far)

  48. Louis Golino, Author says

    On the Bay 70’s are now $150. I should have bought more than 1 last night for $83, but I am happy I will have 5 total.

  49. sharks2th says

    I do not have a confirmation email yet, but I ordered a bunch of other stuff which I already had in my “bag”. If it turns out they were all available and a few big boys got most of them, the Mint will need to impose an after the fact limit of some sort. I can’t see them letting hundreds or thousands go to one buyer when there are a lot of little guys just wanting a few each.

  50. KEITHSTER says

    Took two min. just get rid of the remind button the got my order in at 12:03 ! It the went back order hit the backorder button three times but it would not take then went CU. Thinking maybe it’s the Russians or something? So congrats to the haves sorry to the have not’s Well Good Luck To Most “>”>”>”>”>”>”>”>”>”>

  51. Zaz says

    Louis,
    Neither the order ack or conf emails have come in. Did look at the order history and it is listed there.

  52. Donald says

    Kind of like buying tickets to a Billy Joel at Madison Square Garden– they are pretty much gobbled up instantaneously. Not much of a chance for the little guy.

  53. A&L Futures says

    @ Fmtransmitter —

    I’ll have some I could part with. Hit me up in five (working) days. Mine are scheduled to ship tomorrow.

  54. jp says

    My congrats to the Mint for finally having a system that doesn’t crash at the noontime minutes during a day like this. Their Website was so smooth, it seemed from my end like no one else was buying. What a difference from a year or two ago. Purchased 5 and a bunch of other products at the same time.

  55. data dave says

    The site was really fast today. No delays like I normally encounter. Although it looks like they only had to process about 1500 orders total.

  56. Techsjj says

    @Larry at 12:04 PM–You are correct- a lot of angry customers out there. I also had one in the “Bag” with 3 other items and when I checked out it was unavailable at 12:01 PM

  57. Fmtransmitter says

    A&L Future, that is so kind. I need your email or mine is my handle w ONE T at the end at Gmail…

  58. Yes, But...You Can't Take It With You says

    Confirmation email at 12:16.

    Fmtransmitter: Happy Bday! I have one I’ll let go at $200 + P&H. 🙂

  59. A&L Futures says

    Based on USM Tracking numbers listed here:

    First Known Order — USM049849XX
    Last Known Order — USM049857XX

    BLUF: roughly 800 orders (so far)

    NOTE: This does not account for the hundreds, if not thousands tucked away at the U.S. Mint gift shops in Philadelphia, Washington, and Denver.

  60. earthling says

    Dang me. Dang me. The Mint got a rope and they done hanged….. ebebody.

    Well me and Mabel set out wit the Truck to git er loaded up. At the go bell I flung a shevel full o Eggles at the Truck and went to scoop up more but they was gone.
    I looked at Mabel… she looked at me… what just happened?

    Well we done checked an there is some 15 ghost Eggles there in the Truck. I hope at some point they turn into real livin things.

    My Cards got some sort of ping on it so maybe this hasn’t been a wasted attempt. Throwed the first shevel full at about 12:01:50 .

  61. Louis Golino, Author says

    Got my e-mail!

    800 orders, if that is right, seems very low, but there are some big boy orders for thousands in there,
    so hard to say.

  62. Teach says

    It is funny that they wait until 2 minutes after the set becomes unavailable to send you a reminder that this set is now available. At first I thought it was my email about my order already, still waiting on that……

  63. jhawk92 says

    Order received email at 12:31, but in checking on the Mint page, it says “Backorder” for order status. Maybe I should have bought more than 2, but I got what I want/need for my two kids.

  64. Teach says

    I had a friend get through on the phone at the very beginning, she had one set in the bag and then CSR operator said that her bag was just emptied to 0……sorry……

  65. sharks2th says

    Xena – You can get the 08 w/07 reverse for around 400. I happened to get 2 of them for $26 each when I ordered my usual 5 from the mint back in 08. I had ordered them late so they probably came off of the bottom of the stack at the warehouse. I still need the 95″W” as well. I missed that one because I went on a big vacation that year and did not have the $$ for the gold proof set, which I had been buying up until that point. Oh well, just another missed opportunity from years past.

  66. Throckmorton says

    This suggests that the Mint’s strategy is to get product out the door as quickly as possible and they have no interest in the breadth of product distribution.

    A government mint that was interested in fostering the hobby would always have an order limit per customer.

    Makes you wonder what kind of collusion is occurring

  67. Dustyroads says

    sharks2th, The 08 reverse of 07 are trading for more than that. I bought one in OGP last year for roughly $550.00. I’ve not found them any cheaper. It happens to be one of my favorite. Awesome coin.

  68. Erik H says

    I think the reason the website worked well is that the were a smaller amount of people ordering, they just ordered in bigger numbers for a faster sell out. All 75k may not be made however the time to flip was today and today only. IF they add a 2 coin West Point & San Francisco set you can kiss the low mintage numbers goodbye .

  69. Zaz says

    All eyes are now on the 17 LESPS, especially if graded 70’s are going for $150 each out of the starting gate. 50K should ensure the sales period to last longer perhaps an hour, longer if a HHL is imposed. If the price stays at $139.95, it’s a steal if that’s all she wrote on the Congrats set and there really are no more.

    Mint got caught with its pants down yet again for NO HHL and gone in 3 minutes. Exactly what where they thinking??? 1,000 happy customers vs 10,000 dissatisfied ones. An umitigated disaster.

  70. Xena says

    sharks2th – somewhere betw 1995-2012, I had stopped collecting due to other distractions and uses for income. I’ve been able to catch up on most of what I missed, and since I missed the silver peak I probably came out ahead. Lucky you for getting the 07 rev in the normal order! It’s really hard to stomach $400 for an oz of silver, so not sure I’ll ever get that one, let alone the 95W.

    It’s a beautiful day here, sorry we all missed the quarter launch. But the Mint store has the quarters loaded up.

  71. sharks2th says

    If the Mint is looking at their bottom line, then getting everything out the door would be their best strategy. They obviously lost a lot of sales on the 2016 Gold Commems by limiting initial sales with HHLs too low. It seems like they either go too low or not at all. The Mint obviously does not have anyone who collects seriously working there or giving them reasonable advice on when and when not to use the HHL.

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if the HSN guy is bragging about how he ordered half of the mintage and is selling them for $150 later this week. He has been bragging the last 2 weeks I happened to see the show of how he got 35-37k of the 2016W Unc ASEs, not telling the viewers they are still available at the mint for a third of what he is asking.

  72. Fmtransmitter says

    A&L Future, that is so kind. I need your email or mine is my handle w ONE T at the end at Gmail…
    Gift shops sold out, Philly didn’t get any at all they said

  73. A&L Futures says

    @ EVERYONE

    The Denver Mint is selling these over-the-phone for $54.95. I just got off the phone with them.

  74. Fmtransmitter says

    @johnaz: That sounds about right, every dealer ordering 100 sets across the world…

  75. sharks2th says

    @Dusty – The ebay sales have been running from about $380 to $450 for OGP or 69s. The 70s have been running between 600 and 700 or more. You just have to catch them on a day others aren’t bidding. They do tend to run a bit more at the bigger auctions like Heritage, etc.

    @Xena – I agree, 78 degrees is a perfect day around here. I decided to skip the ceremony as well. I don’t go into the District much unless it is a special occasion or some guests are in from out of town. I miss the stand the Mint used to have at Union Station. It was more convenient to get to, but they did not always have all of the available products.

  76. Fmtransmitter says

    DC put me on hold to check the vault, said nope, and Philly said they didn’t get any…

  77. Donald says

    I was just able to buy some from the Philly Mint gift shop. Hey, when one door closes, try another.

  78. Dustyroads says

    I’m trying to start an 1804 Draped Bust silver dollar collection, but the darn price is in my way!!! #&@*!

  79. earthling says

    Well got email confirmation for my order of 15 placed at approx 12:01:50.

    Order # 49857XX

    That was a wild and crazy experience. The big boys were using them 200 ft Tall Strip Mining Scoops like I saw down in Kentucky while flying in a Blackhawk around Ft Campbell.

  80. Donald says

    FM,
    I called the Philly gift shop around 12:25 and was told that their limited quantity of about 100 was sold out. Unbelieveably, they called me back around 12:25 and let me know that several were returned by an in-house buyer who evidently bought a sizeable number and later felt he didn’t want all of them. The Aramark guy said the buyer never even left the Mint lobby, so he changed his mind pretty quickly. I must say that it was very nice to get that callback–good luck on my part.

  81. Fmtransmitter says

    The guy @ Philly said they didn’t even get those to me, WTH? Now they just like unless you know someone​…Shady

  82. Donald says

    FM,
    Sorry, they called me back around 1:00, not 12:25 which is when I called them.

  83. Fmtransmitter says

    No call back here, no one to even pick up the phone now at Philly…No brotherly love here, lol

  84. Erik H says

    What if mint does a 4 coin ASE set? D, P, S & W. It would be the first Denver ASE. I’ll call in sick for that ordering speculation.

  85. earthling says

    Within the past week I’ve received large quantities of proof sets tossed carelessly into a flimsy shipping box. No care at all. No protection.

    Ill bet anyone ordering large quantities of this Congratulations Set ASE will be very disappointed with the packing. Banged up Cardboard Collectibles Packaging is just not cool at all.

  86. joe#2 says

    Mint packaging is horrific. They put in a little brown piece of toilet paper in a box by itself.

  87. Donald says

    What makes it even more amazing is that I didn’t even leave my name and phone number. The very pleasant guy I spoke with remembered my call and had my name and phone number to get back to me a half hour later.

  88. Donald says

    earthling,
    Hopefully the packaging will be more secure coming from the Philly Mint gift shop. Hey, the only downside (and a small one at that) is the shipping was $9.95 from Aramark.

  89. You Can't See Me says

    USM049858XX at 9:02pst qty 3
    I placed three in my cart from the upcoming products page at 9:00pst with no issue and checked out. Went immediately back to the main page to see it is not available.
    Confirmation email came at 9:31pst
    Today would have been my fathers 74th birthday and he was a huge eagle collector. I thought it was a sign so I logging in last minute.

  90. Louis Golino, Author says

    Seems like Bullion exchanges went in big. Those 70’s are now $200 each.

  91. Erik H says

    Larry, not only do they not learn they can’t fix their mobile site so people can order from it like a normal retail would.

  92. John Q. Coinage says

    The Mint stinks. This is a give away to the big ones. I went to buy @ 9:05 unavailable…..really…I don’t care & as the mint keeps screwing over their BASE, the collectors the PEOPLE, they will loose more sales & see that slowly they are killing the “hobby’…..how in the world was there no HH Limit….bs…. As this has happened b4 & will again we all need to realize we’re the ca$h cow & need to let the mint schmuck know….bet Jared Kushner bought 10,000….

  93. Donald says

    In checking the eBay listings, several sold Commemorative Sets went in the $70.-75 range. I’m pretty sure these were pre-sales, prior to today’s events. The current listings have these in the $120 – 150 range. I didn’t look to see if they were listed before or after the sellout.

  94. earthling says

    Is it possible the US Mint is dumber than the Corporation I work for? Hard to believe.

    I used to think the US Army was messed up but in hindsight , in comparison to the Nuthouse I now work for, the Army was a topnotch outfit.

    American Industry ! And Trump says he wants to ” make America Great again”

    Good luck on that one. Lots of incompetence is out here.

  95. Baldwin says

    I checked my order history and see the 4 Congratulations sets there… but my CC hasn’t been dinged for them. I did have a Proof ASE in my cart when I completed my checkout… and it did get charged.

  96. Erik H says

    Funny thing is next year there will be new management in place and they will produce 100k Congratulations Sets with a “W” mint mark and wonder why nobody is buying them again.

  97. says

    Jhawk – Seller has no feedback rating and lives about an hour outside of D.C.,

    They are either mentally challenged, bought today at the HQ kiosk., Or just simply negligent

  98. John Q. Coinage says

    Congratulations to all you collectors!! This is a great item, but to sum it up from the collecting community “We are all big loosahs….”

  99. John Q. Coinage says

    I have some Botanical 5c sets for sale for $300 if you missed the ‘S’ ASE….

  100. jhawk92 says

    Ah, thanks guys. I didn’t think about the Mint store(s). I live near Denver, and gave thought to calling the Mint, but folks who already tried said they were sold out. Maybe I should have taken off work and driven down there. And amazing looks on bay for sets of 10-20 PR69 or PR70 coins…I’m a small collector, one with a fair amount of patience, but this might just push me over the edge.

  101. Fmtransmitter says

    The ol 9am est log in will be key here. I doubt 75k are ready to ship. They are on the phone to the BEP now for more packaging, unless it’s China, except they only make the boxes, I hope. I hope we don’t out source cardboard printing to China? Anybody else knows who the Mints printer is, please chime in. I assume it’s the BEP, as they had a release today too.

  102. Donald says

    jhawk,
    Yes, obviously this EBay seller was a walk-in buyer at either the D.C. or Philly. The rep at the Philly store said my call-in order will probably ship today–which is faster than the Mint’s Fulfillment Center will ship them.

  103. Donald says

    FM,
    The Congratulations Sets will not utilize presentation boxes. Rather, the ASE proof is encapsulated in a funky, ribbon adorned folder.

  104. dave says

    wow amazing how fast it sold out I was in at 1200 pm and out like a minute later my order was USM04985XXX

    maybe they might have held back sets?? we shall see

  105. cagcrisp says

    Big Boys and Dealers…

    All the Big Boys and Dealers will Now be Less Likely to tie up funds for the 2017 HR in 2 days…
    .

  106. Larry says

    So getting these “interesting” coins from the mint is going to be like getting concert tickets. The big boys make out, the little collector gets screwed. From a business standpoint that makes good sense for the mint. They get theirs. I guess that’s just the way the world works. When big companies sell a product , the company that buys large quantities gets better service.
    At the very least the mint owes us an explanation. If that’s the way it’s going to be, just tell us, and then sell to the big guys and be done with it. If all the mint cares about is the money, so be it.
    But if the mint cares just a little for us collectors that ultimately buy the coins, this just isn’t right.

  107. Mattarch says

    I was logged in and waiting at 12:00. Placed an order for one congratulations set and was done by 12:01. USM049850XX is the order number.

    Have fast internet connection and credit card on file with the mint.

  108. johnaz says

    ebay seller can ship same day only two feedback beware on ebay since 2009 and only two feedback something wrong.

  109. drew s says

    Having a hard time wrapping my head around ‘cares just a little for us collectors’ comment. If I”m not mistaken, the Mint issued a few coins last year related to the 1916 Anniversary coins and couple of those are still on sale at the Mint. You can even go and buy last years Reagan C&C set.

    As I’ve mentioned here many times, I have had Zero problem placing an order at the Mint for a coin that I wanted and getting it.

  110. cagcrisp says

    2016 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – FT MLTR 16,843 + 65
    2017 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – EFF MNDS 15,363 + 341

  111. cagcrisp says

    16EA 2016 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ 556,064 + 1,940

    16EB 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 23,515 +9
    16EC 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ 5,666 + 4
    16EF 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 4-COIN SET 17,218 –

    16EG 2016 AM EAGLE SILVER UNC 1 OZ 192,218 +1,181

  112. cagcrisp says

    16XA 2016 WALKING LIBERTY 24K GOLD .5OZ 62,332 + 207
    16XB 2016 MERCURY DIME 24K GOLD .1OZ 124,885 –
    16XC 2016 STANDING LIBERTY 24K GOLD .25OZ 89,109 +195

  113. cagcrisp says

    17CA 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD PROOF 1,073 +56
    17CB 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD UNC 1,457 + 106
    17CC 2017 BOYS TOWN SILVER PROOF 15,459 + 1,594
    17CD 2017 BOYS TOWN SILVER UNC 7,467 + 637
    17CE 2017 BOYS TOWN CLAD PROOF 12,938 +994
    17CF 2017 BOYS TOWN CLAD UNC 12,353 + 549
    17CG 2017 BOYS TOWN 3-COIN SET 4,061 + 180

    17CH 2017 LIONS CLUBS SILVER PROOF 57,198 +1,279
    17CJ 2017 LIONS CLUBS SILVER UNC 14,952 +156

  114. cagcrisp says

    17EA 2017 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ 246,743 +13,733
    17EA042 2017 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ (BULK) 194 +8

    17EB 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 3,967 +186
    17EC 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ 832 +38
    17ED 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/4 OZ 1,119 + 93
    17EE 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/10 OZ 6,027 + 354
    17EF 2017 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 4-COIN SET 6,500 +232

  115. cagcrisp says

    JQ1 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 2,650 + 15
    JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 1,863 +12
    JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – EISENHWR 1,986 + 15
    JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – KENNEDY 6,628 +13
    JQ7 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 2,653 +7
    JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 1,767 + 13

    16SA 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – NIXON 2,508 +12
    16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – NIXON 1,606 +15
    16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – FORD 2,315 + 20
    16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – FORD 1,599 + 15
    16SE 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 3,414 +22
    16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 1,848 +14

  116. jhawk92 says

    @ Larry-

    Good points…The way I’m starting to feel about it…”Collectors” got the 2017-P penny as our thanks. Big boys, who can make money with silver products, not zinc, get the 2017-S proof ASE. See, everyone gets “something.” (insert vomiting emoji here).

  117. Larry says

    @ drew S – you are lucky that you got through. I got through, but half way through my order , no longer available. I really wasn’t too angry this time, I am not a big ASE collector. I was really mad when I couldn’t get the IKE C&C set. I got on exactly at noon and no luck. I can tell you this, if you get the “no longer available” and you got on right at noon, you will not be happy camper.
    I wonder how many of these carsonandmegansmom got? I think they had the best deal for the IKE C&C set on EBAY, that is how I got mine.

  118. Larry says

    It doesn’t look like we are going to make my 500 comment prediction by midnight. C’mon folks!

  119. John Q. Coinage says

    Drew, matters are beyond mere lone collectors hands when the mint has NO LIMITS. I have been involved in this for over 50 years & see it repeat over & over, I have one some & lost some, the point is the mint brains (Pinky & the Brain it appears…) made this a ‘secret’ S Proof ASE, then gave the secret to everyone including the folks buying 1,000 @ a clip- how else do you sell 75k in 1 MINUTE…if that dos not show you how phuck#$d up the mint mgmnt is I ton;t know what cold. It’s all sheets & giggles for us plain ol joes, all I can say is I did not buy the AG High relief last year & neither this from mint or aftermarket–> Sorry, I no longer care…rather get a nice OLD rarity…

  120. Donald says

    Cag,
    I guess all of this 2017 S ASE nonsense is already old hat with you, as you’ve already jumped off topic and back to posting sales figures. There’s not a whole lot of electricity remaining in the after-sellout comments. I think you’re delivering the message that it is time to move on. And you’re probably right.

  121. cagcrisp says

    @Donald, Not Really. Post what you want. The numbers I post come out every Tuesday and I post as soon as they come out.

    Post Away about the “S” ASE…

  122. rpk says

    It looks like Betty Ford and Grace Coolidge are now tied for lowest mintage First Spouse proof. As long as a few more Ford proofs are sold, Grace Coolidge will end up being the key to the set of proofs even though it has one of the best portraits and an interesting reverse. The prices on ebay seem to reflect this with high prices for 69’s and no 70’s available at all.

  123. earthling says

    What would really burn the house down would be if that HR sold out in under 5 minutes.

    At that level , there’s a few other things I’d rather have, so its not like I’d care.

  124. drew s says

    Maybe I’ll feel all this angst towards the Mint the first time I do get burned and I’m unable to fill an order on a coin. But for now, sorry for those who tried and missed, better luck next time.

  125. KC&SO says

    You guys that missed out this morning, I wouldn’t be too quite to jump to conclusions or write this one off..,

    As we’ve seen over and over, you may see a reappearance soon enough so be ready, 😉

    The CU happened way too fast.., I’m just curious what today’s total sales were

  126. Baldwin says

    KCSO… I also believe this isn’t sold out. That was far too few orders to claim all 75,000. I think this is a matter of available to ship being the issue.

  127. cagcrisp says

    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 23,500
    cagcrisp-Week 25,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

    zephin-Day 20,100
    zephin-Week 22,100
    zephin-2017 28,100

    Old Big Bird-Day 7,500
    Old Big Bird-Week 17,500

    Goat-Day 26,183
    Goat-Week 31,183

    Don-Day 15,250
    Don-Week 21,000
    Don-End Sell 45,000

    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Day 10,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Week 15,000

    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Day 15,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Week 20,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Final 50,000

    Xena-Day 11,500
    Xena-Week 12,700

  128. Hidalgo says

    @Baldwin – I also do not believe the Congratulations Set has sold out.

    I suspect that the US Mint had a relatively small quantity on hand. (20,000 or so?) To think that it had 75,000 initially for sale would have been a deviation from past practices. And it would have been foolish since it may not have been able to sell the full amount because of possible weak demand.

    If we’re fortunate, the US Mint will report first-day sales of the set in the near futue.

  129. Mattarch says

    If the Congratulations Set has sold out and no more are produced then it really is a bad marketing decision to take a product, which has significant demand in May and June for graduations, and make it unavailable during that time period for 2016 and 2017. I know 2016 was due to Congresses’ the late notice on the edge lettering.

    Sort of like selling swimsuits that are not available until September.

  130. Larry says

    Even if the mint only made 20K, they could sell all 75K. They just put the rest on backorder. They are probably all gone. Maybe like the gold Merc there will be some at a later date. I doubt it.
    The scary thing to me is that this seems to have purposely done to sell 75,000 coins in an instant. Either the folks at the mint are just plain dumb, which I don’t believe, or very smart. We will probably never know the truth.
    Still, because there is no mintage limit, nobody knows if the mint will sell this in something other than the LESP.

  131. Louis Golino, Author says

    While they could do anything, the fact that they specifically came out and said the coin would be available in both products tells me it is unlikely they would then pull a fast one and sell it in another product. If their goal is to sell more of them, they simply increase the LESPS mintage, but keep in mind that set will likely be $200 with both proof eagles, so they also have to consider how many $200 sets will they be able to sell. If someone really wants the S coin to complete their set, they will buy now on the secondary market for $110, not wait months and pay twice as much for a set with coins they mostly don’t want. Also, I think the LESPS tip-off was to avoid the situation in 2012 when people complained loudly about not being told in advance of 2 products with the same S-proof dollar. .

  132. Donald says

    If it is so that these Sets are not sold out, the Mint has probably already satisfied the thirst of he big dealers –who will go on to market these as “first strike” or “early release” in the gimmicky game of unnecessary graded coins.
    If you are still seeking a Set or two, check the Mint’s website @ 7:30 am ET on Saturdays, which is when it has typically released more quantities of CU ( currently unavailable) Mint offerings. This has happened, for example, with the recent Presiential C&C sets.

  133. So Krates says

    Just got back from the supermarket where I bought some cases of bottled water. The store must be owned by socialists because there was a four case limit.

    With a HHL of fifty Eagles, everyone is still on equal footing.

  134. Brad says

    Regarding the announcement of the “S” ASE being included in the LESPS, I took it to mean that the “S” Eagle would be in the set IN PLACE OF the “W” ASE, not IN ADDITION TO. It does make sense to have an “S” ASE in that set anyway, since all the rest of the coins in it were always San Francisco coins.

  135. JBK says

    I don’t think the Mint was being smart or sneaky with this – I think someone simply thought it would be neat to have an S proof in the Congratulations “set” and also include it in the LESPS set. The Mint has proven that it is not too swift when it comes to determining mintages or demand (under-producing some coins, while overproducing others).

    Were all 75,000 sold out today? Who knows, but they might have been. The packaging for this product is presumably USA-made (just a cardboard folder) so getting additional packaging for more coins should not take long, and any backorders can be quickly resolved.

    I wanted a couple of these and did not want to risk the availability of the set later this year (or pay the premium) so I made sure my password worked in advance and my cc was on file, and I logged on 10 minutes early. I got in an order for two coins at noon with no issues. I hate this rat race, but it is what needs to be done for these high demand coins, and at least readers of MNB knew in advance….

  136. coinmark says

    Well as frustrating as it is to be sold out so fast. I created my own frustration by putting a reminder on my calendar to be ready to buy it. um…yeah, so I put the reminder on my calendar for April 5th – which in tricky calendar speak is TOMORROW. I’m an idiot.

    Also, reading all the comments and I’m still a newbie but what’s LESP?

  137. Zaz says

    @JBK: smart tactic. I did so as well, in addition, I also had the Boys Town unc half dollar in my bag before 12:00 noon, so I was able to prepopulate all of the drop downs, enter the card’s security code then back to the product page exactly at 12. Went extremely smoothly to final review within ten seconds and done. Still can’t believe that acquiring this product was a matter of seconds between have and have not..

  138. JBK says

    Limited Edition Silver Proof Set. All the silver coins from various other sets in one set together (dime, quarter, half, Silver Eagle). Usually quite a markup over the combination of the other sets the coins are in.

  139. JBK says

    Zaz: I never tried that but I will in the future. Having all the cc and authorization fields pre-populated would be key in cases like this.

  140. Rick says

    If 75k were sold today, texasgs will sell pcgs pr70 below $80 for the next five months on bay.

  141. Louis Golino, Author says

    We don’t know at this point, but the LESPS is designed as a set with all the silver proofs from whatever mint in one place, not as an S-mint set, so I think it makes sense to W and S.

  142. jhawk92 says

    @ Louis-

    Very good points you make about the 2012 situation. I felt that way for sure. I’ve never been a fan of the LESPS, as I already buy the Silver Proof Set and the ASE earlier in the year. It will be interesting to see if the set includes one or both ASEs.

  143. Rick says

    Very decent sales numbers. Expect more SO (J. KENNEDY for sure) in the near future.

    JQ1 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 2,650 + 15
    JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 1,863 +12
    JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – EISENHWR 1,986 + 15
    JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – KENNEDY 6,628 +13
    JQ7 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 2,653 +7
    JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 1,767 + 13
    16SA 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – NIXON 2,508 +12
    16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – NIXON 1,606 +15
    16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – FORD 2,315 + 20
    16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – FORD 1,599 + 15
    16SE 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 3,414 +22
    16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 1,848 +14

  144. JBK says

    I am very possibly wrong, but I am thinking that the LESPS will NOT have 2 SEs in it. If they do that won’t they need to have a new case designed for this one-year-only event? I suspect it will be an S set all the way, using the same case as other years….

  145. earthling says

    So, anyone in for the artistically stunningly beautiful 2017 High Relief 225th Ani versary Gold Piece on Thursday? My compulsions might have me ordering, although right now , I’m thinking noooooo wayyyyy.

    I need a good job where I can stay busy. This current job sorks. It pays too well, though. Cant walk away.

  146. Donald says

    I also believe that collectors will not dump money into a pricey LESPS set for the sake of getting an S minted proof silver eagle. They will most likely go to eBay and buy one in OGP for a lower price. If the LESPS sets do include both proof ASE’s, the price will increase significantly, along with a good chance of much lower sales totals from previous years.

  147. Joseph says

    Mint only charged me $4.95 shipping, they didn’t charge me the set.
    anyone has the same ‘lucky’ experience? are they going to give me the set FREE?
    LOL

  148. Tom P. - MA says

    The only remaining question is “How oversized will the shipment box be?” They could get away with a large securely sealed padded envelope, but I’m sure no one thought of that. The RCM does this for some subscription issues.

    Oops, another remaining question. How long before they start shipping? After all they have had since a little after noon to slap address labels on the boxes.

  149. Erik H says

    Somebody on eBay got scared and dropped his price from $124.99 to $109.95 (He did sell 100).

  150. Goat says

    @ coinmark
    Limited Edition Silver Proof Set ‘LESPS”
    Most of the time people will take first letters of sets/coins instead of writing it all out.
    Welcome to the mint news blog.

  151. Fmtransmitter says

    Did you have enough on the card? Sometimes if it doesn’t go through for the full amount, they may try the shipping charge. Could be wrong. I’m also on the side of the LeSPS ONLY including the S Mint ASE, not both. Mint is trying to sell those, and that was the way they came up with to move them.

  152. Indydude says

    I was at the coin forum last night for the Fredrick Douglas Coin Release. Some notes. The “S” ASE will be in the LESPS but only the “S” there will be no “W” included. The mintage limit will be 75K in the Congratulations set and 50K in the LESPS for a total of 125K. Philly mint to produce a copy of the HR Liberty gold in June to be followed in OCT for the 4 medal,4 mint, 4 different finishes 225 Anniversary set, hinted this will be liberty themed and not the same as the HR Gold.
    The Bulk lot is a new packaging for the proof ASE. Coins/Capsules and COA only housed in 42 coin trays sold in lots of 210 coins (5 trays). These were designed for bulk purchasers that do not want all the packaging for grading.

  153. Indydude says

    sorry the Philly copy will be in silver and the 4 coin 225 set will be in silver as well.

  154. Art says

    I don’t think the Mint puts “Remind Me” buttons on sold out products. This is their new pattern of selling inventory on hand and halting orders until more are available.

  155. Goat says

    I feel sorry for those that purchase/chase the “S” ASE on secondary market ! This is what hurts coin collecting , to wake up one day and realize you will never get your money back or make money on this greed. Dealers/Big Boys your business will have a short life when buyers catch on to the trickery. Last year the U.S. Mint was concerned with how to save collecting ? Warning us to look for something else !
    I was thinking my collection would be nice to pass down in the family , but now I thinking if it is not bullion it’s not worth buying.

  156. cagcrisp says

    @indydude, Thanks for the info…

    “The Bulk lot is a new packaging for the proof ASE. Coins/Capsules and COA only housed in 42 coin trays sold in lots of 210 coins (5 trays). These were designed for bulk purchasers that do not want all the packaging for grading.”

    …SO…We’ve had 194 sales @ 210 coins = 40,740 more Proof ASEs sold…

  157. Dustyroads says

    Just some random thoughts…

    It’s interesting that we get a release like this as soon as USM Acting Director Rhett Jeppson is no longer on the job. This idea leads me to remember the failed releases of the three tributes last year.

    We briefly discussed early the timing of this release. It may be that the mint felt PFSWeb could more efficiently do their job if the releases were closer together. I’m just wondering what they do with their workforce when not so busy.

    It may be that the USM wanted to change the LESPS to make it an all “S” set, but didn’t want to make only 50,000. Putting them into another set like the Congrats set makes perfect sense. And it is Graduation time.

  158. cagcrisp says

    @Goat, ” , but now I thinking if it is not bullion it’s not worth buying.”

    I would agree on Most Modern, but there is still some old stuff worth collecting…

  159. Dustyroads says

    cagcrisp, If all you want to do is have them graded, then this is the smart thing to do. It’s a win win.

  160. cagcrisp says

    @Dustyroads, it was discussed at the Fall Forum and agreed that its somethings that is long Overdue.

    It also helps me determine the breakdown in sales between Regular customers and Big Boys…

  161. Dustyroads says

    You can’t see me, You may have trouble finding an answer to that, depending on who you ask of course. The quick answer is yes, because the mintage of the LESPS has remained constant since the mint began selling them in 2012. But this is all speculation.

  162. cal g. says

    Waits with NON-BAITED breath for a PRESALE 2017-S Proof ASE PCGS First Strike, First Strike MOY, First Strike Mercanti, First Strike Ivanka, First strike Pence, First Strike Mercanti, First Strike Silver Foil Capitol, First Strike Flag, First Strike Women’s Right’s, First strike Transgender, First Strike Grain-Free, First Strike Organic…………………Stop the madness..

  163. Donald says

    The Congratulations Sets I bought from the Philly Mint store early this afternoon have already been received by FedEx, with an expected Friday delivery. Aramark has supplied me with a tracking number. The Aramark gentleman who took my phone order was very helpful.

  164. earthling says

    If the Mint could only put MS/PF 70 ‘s in those bulk trays……..

    Money talks……….

  165. joe#2 says

    Louis? I’ve been watching APMEX with the 2017 Australian Southern sky. This moring approx 58 left or so. Usually on the average 2 have been selling a day. Today, I have noticed over 30 have been sold. Wonder whats going on if anything.

  166. Barry says

    The LESPS is more expensive than the Silver proof set and proof ASE combined. You also get less coins. So put in a proof “S” ASE and you give buyers a reason to buy the LESPS. Let me know if I’m missing something here.

  167. 1958 Chevrolet Bel Air says

    Let’s really go all out with the special mint marks and bring back the CC and O mint marks.

  168. 1958 Chevrolet Bel Air says

    Will there be a D mint mark on the silver eagle? It’s time to do a Denver mint silver eagle.

  169. 1958 Pontiac Bonneville says

    Will the the mint put out a special S mint uncirculated silver eagle too ?

  170. Indydude says

    Last though before bed. I also asked if the Denver or West Point Mints would follow with a surprise later. Silence spoke volumes And to put this to bed, no fractional buffaloes.

  171. Erik H says

    1958 Chevrolet Bel Air,

    Earlier today I brought up the Denver ASE in a 4 coin set D,P, S & W. That’s what I’m hoping for.

  172. So Krates says

    indydude says, “Philly mint to produce a copy of the HR Liberty gold in June to be followed in OCT for the 4 medal,4 mint, 4 different finishes 225 Anniversary set, hinted this will be liberty themed and not the same as the HR Gold.”

    There are photos of the actual medals in the four different finishes from Baltimore in the 3/31 Coin Update article linked in the 3/27 thread. They are the same as the HR gold.

  173. 1958 Chevrolet Bel Air says

    I wonder what the mint will do for the 35 anniversary of the silver eagle since they are making it a pattern to celebrate the anniversary every 5 years?

  174. 1958 Chevrolet Bel Air says

    I want the mint to shock everyone by making coins from the New Orleans and Carson City mint and secretly release them into circulation.

  175. So Krates says

    The takeaway from today’s comments illustrate that, if anything, the LACK of a HHL causes “class warfare”.

  176. Hidalgo says

    Off topic – I find it most interesting that the Boys Town gold proof coin is underselling the uncirculated version. This observation runs contrary to what we’ve seen in the past (i.e., proof coins selling more than the uncirculated versions).

    I presume secondary market dealers believe that the uncirculated version will sell fewer in the long run. Thoughts?

    Thanks cagcrisp for reproducing the data!

    17CA 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD PROOF 1,073 +56
    17CB 2017 BOYS TOWN GOLD UNC 1,457 + 106

  177. achmed says

    we have to repeat and repeat and repeat: AND STORE IN MEMORY: The boys town gold proof coin is not only sold solely BUT in the three coin proof set. And now you can calculate what coin has the higher mintage.

  178. cagcrisp says

    AM Gold Fix $1,252.50…

    It ALL comes down to PM Fix and it Looks to be Razor thin Either way…

  179. David says

    I’m sure I am the only one who feels this way but I think collector coins such as this should be minted to demand. Everyone who wants one should have the opportunity to get one. It’s bad when the mints website gets bogged down with people trying to get them because they fear a sellout. Further I think there should be limits to prevent dealers and other big boys from hoarding them only to flip them and resell and gouge customers weren’t able to get them from the mint, Seems like it’s become a game now.

  180. data dave says

    @cagcrisp – What do you make of the latest FS gold numbers? I was surprised of the relative strength up and down the list. On the proof side the current issues are moving up the all time list. Not as many collectors on the UNC side of things.

    For the PROOFS:
    Coolidge 2315
    Ford 2315
    Harding 2372
    Roosevelt 2377
    Hoover 2392
    Wilson 2 2464
    Nixon 2508
    Wilson 1 2511
    Taft 2598
    Truman 2650
    Johnson 2653
    Eisenhower 2704
    McKinley 2724
    Roosevelt 2840

    For the UNCS:
    Ford 1599
    Nixon 1606
    Johnson 1767
    Reagan 1848
    Truman 1863
    Roosevelt 1886
    Hoover 1936
    Harding 1944
    Coolidge 1949
    Wilson 2 1974
    Wilson 1 1980
    Eisenhower 1986
    McKinley 2008
    Roosevelt 2027

  181. cagcrisp says

    @data dave, As far as FS coins are concerned, sales were Strong. Since it was up and down most options I would assume that it was one party that did most of the buying. It was Surprising since we just had a price Increase. Doesn’t make sense to wait for a $25 price Increase and then decide to buy across the board.

    Since the pop numbers are so Low on Graded FS coins, it could be someone looking for graded and we will see some negative numbers this week…

  182. Louis Golino, Author says

    @joe#2- I see they are down to 25, so they should be gone soon, which is great news!

  183. Daveswfl says

    Bay prices for ASE S Congratulations Set surprisingly strong. A ton of availability!

  184. mike says

    I started ordering coins from the mint in January this year. Got a new job and can afford to buy coins again. I work nights and was able to sit at the computer at 9 am yesterday and order the American Silver Eagle S mint coin. But, in my order history it indicates Back Ordered. I know, in general, what that indicates, but can someone tell me what it indicates when the Mint uses the phrase. Will I receive the coin?

  185. Baldwin says

    Has anyone gotten a shipping notice for the Congratulations sets yet? I see my CC still hasn’t been hit.

  186. cagcrisp says

    With the Price of the 2017 HR Liberty @ $1,640.00…Considering what happened Yesterday and what is happening Today…

    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 18,500
    cagcrisp-Week 20,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

    zephin-Day 20,100
    zephin-Week 22,100
    zephin-2017 28,100

    Old Big Bird-Day 7,500
    Old Big Bird-Week 17,500

    Goat-Day 26,183
    Goat-Week 31,183

    Don-Day 15,250
    Don-Week 21,000
    Don-End Sell 45,000

    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Day 10,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Week 15,000

    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Day 15,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Week 20,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Final 50,000

    Xena-Day 11,500
    Xena-Week 12,700

  187. johnaz says

    On e-bay big boys selling 100 set 2017 -s proof 2400.00.said in stock ready to ship.I saw five ads like this.I like to know how they have them in stock.

  188. zephin says

    @ Baldwin… nope I’m still at “Order Status: PROCESSING —- Method: Fedex Smartpost “

  189. zephin says

    @ cagcrisp …. PM Gold Fix $1,245.80…2017 HR Liberty $1,640.00…

    So is that the price for tomorrow? I need to see how many pennies I have ….LOL

  190. Mike in NY says

    No rush on the 2017 HR Liberty. I may pick one up later in the year depending on gold prices. My sales guesses: Launch Day 23,500, Launch Week 28,100

  191. johnaz says

    I call the seller on e-bay about the 100 2017- s proof its 12500.00 for 100. said he pick them up today at the mint in hand .

  192. cagcrisp says

    With the Price of the 2017 HR Liberty @ $1,640.00…Considering what happened Yesterday and what is happening Today…
    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 18,500
    cagcrisp-Week 20,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

    zephin-Day 20,100
    zephin-Week 22,100
    zephin-2017 28,100

    Old Big Bird-Day 7,500
    Old Big Bird-Week 17,500

    Goat-Day 26,183
    Goat-Week 31,183

    Don-Day 15,250
    Don-Week 21,000
    Don-End Sell 45,000

    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Day 10,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Week 15,000

    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Day 15,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Week 20,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Final 50,000

    Xena-Day 11,500
    Xena-Week 12,700

    Mike in NY-Day 23,500
    Mike in NY-Week 28,100

  193. Baldwin says

    Considering the 1st HR coin took so long to sell out after a robust start and a flat finish. I suspect there won’t be a huge demand for these. I also don’t really care for the coin.

    1st Day 17,000
    1st week 21,500

  194. jhawk92 says

    @Baldwin/Zephin-

    I ordered my 2 within the first minute, got the confirmation email about 30 min later. I have no shipping email and my order status is still showing “Backorder.” No CC hit yet. So, I can only hope that I’m in queue for 2…

  195. cagcrisp says

    With the Price of the 2017 HR Liberty @ $1,640.00…Considering what happened Yesterday and what is happening Today…
    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    cagcrisp-Day 18,500
    cagcrisp-Week 20,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

    zephin-Day 20,100
    zephin-Week 22,100
    zephin-2017 28,100

    Old Big Bird-Day 7,500
    Old Big Bird-Week 17,500

    Goat-Day 26,183
    Goat-Week 31,183

    Don-Day 15,250
    Don-Week 21,000
    Don-End Sell 45,000

    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Day 10,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Week 15,000

    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Day 15,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Week 20,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Final 50,000

    Xena-Day 11,500
    Xena-Week 12,700

    Mike in NY-Day 23,500
    Mike in NY-Week 28,100

    Baldwin-Day 17,000
    Baldwin-Week 21,500

  196. cagcrisp says

    @mike, “But, in my order history it indicates Back Ordered. I know, in general, what that indicates, but can someone tell me what it indicates when the Mint uses the phrase. Will I receive the coin?”

    Somewhere between Minute 1 and Minute 2 the “S” went into back order status. You Should receive your coin, it just will go out when all the back order orders go out…

  197. earthling says

    I actually like my 2015 HR Gold Coin – well sort of. The Eagle on the reverse is very stunningly done. The obverse … well it’s OK but .. well it’s just OK. Can’t remember the last time I looked at it, sort of like all my locked away Coins. Can’t just have that sort of stuff laying around, unsecured.

    When it comes to the 2017 HR.. well the reverse sort of looks OK, but the obverse… I don’t need this sort of stuff at all. When’s that Platinum Eagle coming out? What about that Palladium thing?

  198. Larry says

    My last comment on the S ASE – I guess what bugged me the most was that I had it in my cart and poof! This is like someone ripping that flat screen TV out of your cart at Walmart during the Black Friday sale. I supposed it would be very difficult for the mint to fix that, but it just seems that if it’s in you cart, it’s yours. Now I’m done.

  199. MarkInFlorida says

    Didn’t want to get the congrats set, won’t get the ugly overpriced gold. What to do? Buy bullion near spot I guess. Maybe Trump silver rounds?

  200. JohnT58 says

    Larry,
    I agree with you. Once something is in your cart, you should have a few minutes to complete the transaction before the item disappears. I had no issues ordering yesterday but have had problems in the past with getting through the checkout process.

  201. says

    Baldwin says
    APRIL 5, 2017 AT 9:32 AM

    Has anyone gotten a shipping notice for the Congratulations sets yet? I see my CC still hasn’t been hit.

    Do you have a Back Order?
    CC should have hit by now, or stated as ‘Pending’

  202. John Q. Coinage says

    I have lost stuff in cart many times & had them sell out in mid check out, the MINT is a pos for the no HH limit, why, for wht reason would ther be NONE>? As to the 2017 HR, no % I don’t care the mint can kiss my…… Sales will be lucky to hit 10,000 day 1, more like 6,6oo. It will languish longer on the mint’s website than Methusala’s 401k…..

  203. says

    Cag – would like to adjust fire from:

    KCSO-Day 16,500
    KCSO-Week 21,750

    To

    KCSO-Day 11,500
    KCSO-Week 16,750

  204. Old Big Bird says

    Unless I missed something. I did not see the 2017 S AES for sale on HSN.
    If he had them he would already be selling them

  205. cagcrisp says

    @KCSO, That 2nd entry will cost you Twice the entry fee. I hope you know that…

  206. John Q. Coinage says

    Last on the 2017 S ASE Proof, as the coin collector field slowly dwindles off & gets po’d, are there 75k HARD CORE ASE collectors that will pay $150 for this Eagle? If so when it’s time to selli n10, 20…30 year…there is no way there will be 75k collectors who even care…..Look @ 2016 HR Medal, on Ebay they are <$100 BIN w/o offers, I just made an offer @ $47.5o….waiting…35% profit & they have 12 (how is THAT!) 2much but will advise….

  207. cagcrisp says

    With the Price of the 2017 HR Liberty @ $1,640.00…Considering what happened Yesterday and what is happening Today…
    Predictions for Launch Day and Launch Week sales for the 2017 HR…

    KCSO-Day 11,500
    KCSO-Week 16,750

    cagcrisp-Day 18,500
    cagcrisp-Week 20,000

    Dustyroads-Day 7,500

    data dave-Day 30,000
    data dave-Week 35,000
    data dave-End of Year 40,000

    earthling-Day 17,000
    earthling-Week 21,000
    earthling-2017 46,000
    earthling-2018 57,000

    Mr. Kairu-Day 21,000
    Mr. Kairu-Week 23,000

    SILKY-Day 5,000
    SILKY-Week 11,000

    Sith-Day 38,000
    Sith-Week 44,000

    sharks2th-Day 9,218
    sharks2th-Week 11,342

    joe#2-Day 27,000
    joe#2-Week 35,000

    Stipey-Day 18,000
    Stipey-Week 21,000

    Mattarch-Day 6,800
    Mattarch-Week 9,760

    Montana John-Day 4,750
    Montana John-Week 7,450

    DBR-Day 7,700
    DBR-Week 18,000

    Joe M.-Day 15,000
    Joe M.-Week 18,000
    Joe M.-2017 20,000
    Joe M.- <23,000 pulled in 2019

    felson-Day 28,000
    felson-Week 31,500

    zephin-Day 20,100
    zephin-Week 22,100
    zephin-2017 28,100

    Old Big Bird-Day 7,500
    Old Big Bird-Week 17,500

    Goat-Day 26,183
    Goat-Week 31,183

    Don-Day 15,250
    Don-Week 21,000
    Don-End Sell 45,000

    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Day 10,000
    JARHEADnFLORIDA-Week 15,000

    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Day 15,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Week 20,000
    Yes, But…You Can't Take It With You-Final 50,000

    Xena-Day 11,500
    Xena-Week 12,700

    Mike in NY-Day 23,500
    Mike in NY-Week 28,100

    Baldwin-Day 17,000
    Baldwin-Week 21,500

  208. J Jonah Jameson says

    OK, so who wants to buy a sealed box of 74,000, First Strike eligible? I hear the tri-axle backing up now.

  209. Baldwin says

    KCSO… all day yesterday my order was “Processing” when I looked. When you asked today it does show as “Backorder”.

    12:01 – USM049854XX

    Has anyone with an order number higher than that been shipped?

  210. isp_stuff says

    Wish I new the mints order select and filling process.
    My sons order was 140 higher than mine order for Congratulations set and it shows shipped
    my wife’s order number if 400 less it shows shipped

    The order I placed is on back-order, it is the one going to a po box ?

    Do PO box orders get pushed out ? or is the shipping strictly random

  211. John Q. Coinage says

    Orders of 500 units or more get priority. The 25,000 order went out yesterday…..? too bad no coin snope$

  212. earthling says

    http://www.groveminting.com/market/commemorative-tokens/42-2017-silver-commemorative-proof-of-the-1977-liberty-dollar.html

    Here’s something that might be of interest to the old guard here on MNB. I have the Nickel version (struck in Nickel metal) ready to be delivered tomorrow. I went back on the website today to get a link and saw a Silver version on sale. Well I ordered up and decided to share the Silver version here on MNB.

    I thought it was interesting enough to check it out. If it looks good to anyone else…. give it a try.

    I first learned of this on Dave Harpers blog on Numismatic News.

  213. JARHEADnFLORIDA says

    Earthling, have you ever had any problems with this company? I never heard of them before.

  214. earthling says

    JarHead

    I never heard of them either. I thought I saw a blurb about them on Dave Harpers blog but I went back to try to find it and … no luck. Anyway I’m supposed to get delivery of 4 of the Nickel (metal used , not Nickel 5 cent coin) versions tomorrow. Today I saw they had a new Silver version up and I’ve ordered 5 of those.

    Hope everything turns out OK and I’m sure it will. I remember seeing that Gasparrow design on the cover of Coin World way back in 76 or maybe 77.

  215. Laurence J Ramos says

    Congratulations Silver Eagle Proof PF70 on Ebay

    It looks like Modern Coin Mart, must have ordered thousands (Gov mint and Modern Coin Mart are the same company.) and got a lot of the inventory according to ebay listings. Can you believe they want up to 349.00 for a proof 70. Thats 6 times the value. They had over 423 coins listed just under the PF70 labels. Thats 86,552 plus 45,325. For a total of $131,877.00 Just for the PF 70’s???. Not to mention the PF69’s. This is how these coin company’s whored out their customer base.

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