Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Discovery Set Unavailable

The United States Mint’s website currently shows the 2013 Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Discovery Set as “temporarily unavailable”. This unavailability may have something to do with one of the quotes included on the packaging.

Roosevelt Presidential Discovery Set

These sets originally went on sale September 3, 2013. Each set includes a single 2013-P Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Dollar incorporated into an informational folder and accompanied by an 11-page activity book. The content and activities are indicated as appropriate for 8-12 year olds. The product is priced at $9.95 and carries a production limit of 20,000 sets.

As of the most recent weekly sales report published today, sales have reached 1,897 units. I purchased two of the sets for my kids shortly after the start of sales.

big-stick

This week I received a letter from the United States Mint explaining that the “walk softly and carry a big stick” quote used in the center panel of the packaging (shown above) is more commonly quoted as “speak softly and carry a big stick”. The letter was accompanied by an insert (shown below) which further explained the “big stick” policy and how the quote has been written in slightly different ways by different people.

insert

Given the recent unavailability of the product, it may be the case that the US Mint has stopped sales so that the inserts can be placed in the sets prior to any further sales. Alternately, it may be the case that the folders are being revised altogether to feature the more common version of the quote.

If the latter, will collectors eventually place a premium on the “walk softly” variety folder?

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  1. Jon in CT says

    I wonder whether just one “correction” insert was supplied for the two sets you have with incorrect quotes. It looks like you’ll have to order two more sets for you kids when they become available again – you wouldn’t want them to grow up with an incorrect Teddy quote stuck in their heads. That means you’ll be stuck with the two error sets. ๐Ÿ™‚

  2. VARich says

    Congrats Michael – you got’cha a rarity! Wanna sell one?

    Been awful quiet on this ‘upscale Teddie set’ – can’t help but to think we’re getting a silver medal. The FR is down due to appropriations, so it may be awhile if so.., if that’s really a requirement.

  3. Ikaika says

    “If the latter, will collectors eventually place a premium on the โ€œwalk softlyโ€ variety folder?”

    Well, this seems to me like a “label effect” all over again. If it does happen, I must ask when are we going to focus on the coin itself?

  4. says

    Michael,

    I am inclined to think the change in wording, if one is made, is unlikely to make a big impact on premiums.

    Do you recall the Perth Mint’s release of the ANDA coin during the height of “Dragon-mania” in 2012? It turned out that the ANDA coin was in fact a standard, two ounce colored bullion dragon. The only real difference was in packaging, and when collectors figured this out, premiums for the coin dropped dramatically.

    I think that while there is some interest in unique packaging, the change won’t make nearly as much impact as it would have if something had changed about the included coin itself.

  5. fmtransmitter says

    Those are all the money that just was printed and serial numbers, stars, etc…The new $100’s are rolling out, looking forward to seeing them…

  6. Ikaika says

    @FM

    Do you know if BEP will be selling the new $100 bills to the public on their online store?

  7. gary says

    Maybe the Mint should offer two versions? The Walking Stick and the Speaking Stick. The Walking Stick could be offered as a Variety 1 by the mint, the Speaking Softly Stick could be Variety 2. This way they can sell twice as many of these sets, while “sticking” it to the customer. All for a book that may cost about a buck to print with a coin that costs the Mint under a dime to make! This will help our government fiscal budget immensely! If everyone in America bought just one, it would add over $3 billion dollars towards our National Debt!

    Then we can all sit back and watch as the Variety 1 sets are issued in 3rd party holders in MS70 DMPL with encapsulated book for $500. (They can encapsulate the book… just look at those “planks” that 5 oz., 12 oz., and kilo coins are now slabbed in. Fertile flip material for the fast $$$ crowd!

  8. MarkInFlorida says

    What a goof-up! The Mint that can’t shoot straight!

    Ikaika, I think all the banks will have them. Why pay shipping?

    OT- Does anyone have experience with the NWTM? I want to buy their silver bullets but the checkout say it can take 14 to 21 days until an order ships. What’s with that? Do they think they’re the US Mint? Maybe I’ll stick with APMEX and Provident.

  9. Jus-a-coin-luvr says

    MarkinFla, I just read a comment (I think somewhere within this blog) that was not positive about NWTM. It was saying that they charge you right away and then take a long time to ship. Checking over at ResellerRatings.com, there is only one review (positive), so that would not be useful as a gauge of their business practices. If it were me, I’d stick with Provident first and then maybe Apmex.

  10. thePhelps says

    MarkInFla… I’ve read they are notoriously slow in the shipping department. On the bright side the billing department is apparently really good and if you order from them, they’ll ding your credit card almost instantly.

    On this TR offering – someone must have watched the Walking Tall movies and mixed up the TR quote with the movie lines… either way I am still not overly impressed with this particular offering. I am holding out for the premium set.

  11. fmtransmitter says

    @Ikaika: I would assume they would do a special sheet or something but nothing on a big scale. They seem to be just a printing press with Union workers not too worried about anything outside the Govnmt. I worked in a printing room before and have experience in that field. Can’t say but keep checking their website or email them directly.

  12. fmtransmitter says

    On Topic: I was at the Kennedy Space Center and they were throwing away a card that was supposed to be inserted into the “coin” commemorating Atlantis. The lady said there was a mis-print on the card so had to be removed from all the coins. I grabbed about 20 cards and sold about 10 on the bay. Not much interest but there was a core group out there. Hit or mis with mis prints.

  13. Jus-a-coin-luvr says

    I figured it may be “political correctness” at work with the “big stick” stuff. I was half expecting for this article to say that the US Mint was adding a caveat message to the set that says “please don’t try this at home and by all means, don’t walk (or speak) silently and go around whacking people”. ๐Ÿ™‚

  14. says

    MarkinFlorida…I posted the link to NWTM and their silver bullets. Yes, I’ve purchased from them (I’m on their mailing list and that’s how I became aware of the silver bullets)) and yes they were rather slow in shipping.
    However, the 8 bullet box is 5 oz’s of total silver for just over $150.00 + shipping. SO WHAT if it takes 2 or 3 weeks until they ship. It isn’t like you have $1500 tied up. You are getting a unique product…so if you like the silver bullets, I certainly would go ahead a purchase them.

    NWTM also offers several more “silver bullets” in different sizes and calibers…you can find them here:

    https://store.nwtmint.com/Silver_Bullet_Bullion_/

  15. Ikaika says

    @FM and MarkFL

    Thanks for the suggestions and info. Will wait to see what the BEP will offer. Otherwise will go to the bank.

    OT, my Morgue Annes from PM arrived today. Really nice strikes. Looking forward to the third Zombucks!

  16. Jerry Diekmann says

    Can’t our government get ANYTHING right? Does the Mint have an editor who might have caught this error before it went to print?

  17. charles says

    The 2013 Annual Uncirculated Dollar Set (Nov 14) is listed at only $44.95…that’s only $1 more than the unc. Silver eagle. Great deal!!

  18. Mercury says

    What I donโ€™t understand, is why is that quote even displayed on the card in the first place? Especially since the appropriate age of those receiving this card are said to be 8-12 year olds. I think our elementary school age youth have enough problem having to deal with all the pushing and shoving that goes on, without having the help of someone of authority instilling in their impressionable minds, a justifiable means for escalating the violence. Maybe the Mint, while theyโ€™re at it, might want to also consider changing the TR Set Age Appropriate Maturity Rating…or maybe just leave the quote out all together.

  19. fmtransmitter says

    J P Morgan and Rockefeller paid for that President, why he was elected so young. He was needed to keep the free industrial enterprise machine rolling, and boy was it rolling back then. What a fascinating time to be alive. I love that era of discovery more than any other. Edison, Ford, Tesla…Awsome era..

  20. fmtransmitter says

    @Jerry: IMO the Govnmt contracts with printers who win bids and IMO the printers on purpose mess up the printing because they know they will pay a second time for the correct batch making double the sales/double the invoice. IMHO of course.

  21. simon says

    That was also the era of Einstein, Planck, and Rutherford – all great minds ! Yet to see coins for them with the exception of Einstein.

  22. fmtransmitter says

    agreed simon…everyone was working, new things invented daily, weekly…exciting. This era sucks…lol

  23. Hidalgo says

    For anyone interested… My order for a 2013 regular (vs. reverse) proof Buffalo gold coin has shipped. I should soon be receiving it in the mail. Am looking forward to this beauty. It should compliment my 2013 reverse proof Buffalo quite well.

    Also, I received word yesterday from Goldmart that my 2013 PCGS reverse proof Buffalo has shipped.

  24. stephen m says

    fmxmitter, the contract printer will print as as his contract is written even when they find a mistake. This is called, by government contractors as, my sophisticated customer knows what it wants. There is always time to do things twice but never time to get it right the first time. Sadly we pay the bill.

  25. VARich says

    @ Steve – thanks for posting that site, didn’t know about it. Gave me some great ideas for retirement gifts for some buds taking off the uniform.., and that you can have it engraved. I’m liking that box of 308.., that’s pretty sweet! Twenty mike mike is on next year’s wish list.

  26. VARich says

    OT – FYI – there’s a good article on the last Coin Update on counterfeiting. Think it was a couple of months ago someone ask if we’d see the day that the COAs and packaging would be copied.

    Sadly, here’s your answer – “They’re getting so good they’re actually counterfeiting the certificates and boxes as if they were packaged at the U.S. mint,” said Davis.”

  27. fmtransmitter says

    Interestingly enough that was one of my buying decisions on the Gladiator coin, it’s COA is on the edge of the coin itself. It has been said over and over, buy the coin, not the box. These Mint’s will continue to produce and it is only a matter of time when these COA’s will be made on the coins themselves IMHO.

  28. JagFan says

    The next coin in the Zombucks series has come out (Provident Metals) and you have less than a month to order the first release… Get them now before the apocalypse hits!

  29. Brian says

    That was an interesting story on counterfeiting. I was surprised to see that the fake silver eagle he was selling was a burnished one with the W mintmark and counterfeit OGP.

    I have read stories about counterfeit bullion versions, which makes more sense because it is easier and more believable to sell them in rolls. I thought that the proofs (other than maybe the 1995 W) and the burnished would be safe. Apparently not.

  30. VARich says

    I think the chinese just see ‘something’ as profitable and do their darnedest to copy without much thought beyond that. It’s no different than this ‘stealth’ J-35 fighter that they recently unveiled that’s a dead ringer for the F-35..being marketed for export. Takes a wee bit more thought than just cloning it to make it work.

    None-the-less, this will be a game changer for the secondary market. Caveat emptor

    FM – think you’re on to something; I know I would welcome serializing coins or something of the nature, the technology is out there.

  31. charles says

    ot…the Regular Proof Buffalo is no longer on backorder. I wonder how many are in this new batch?

  32. VARich says

    charles – probably around 1,574 (224+595+344+411) minus cancellations which would come out of the 411 and 344 sales figures following the price drop $1690 back on the 18th.

  33. charles says

    @VARich…yes, 1574 takes into account those have already been ordered, but I wonder how many more they have on hand for future orders?

  34. Ikaika says

    @ Hidalgo

    May I ask how long did it take for GM to ship you RP buffalo? I heard they often have shipping delays.

  35. VARich says

    Ikaika – if you’re asking ’cause you’re still waiting on your 21 August order – you’re not a lone.

    GM said this morning that they have a batch coming in and apparently a lot of 21 August orders have not been filled…, delay is attributable to the slabbers.

  36. dan says

    The counterfeit issue is not a new problem and as long as there is easy money to be made with lax penalties some one will try. The issue is not just with raw or OGP coins, they have even tried the slabs. The below link is to an article by PCGS back in 2008 and I cant help but think there may be more than we think already out there. If you research the topic a little futher, there are even pictures of some of the tampered slabs that have been used.

    As far as serializing coins, how long do you think it will take them to copy that too.

    http://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfeit-Pcgs-Holders

  37. Hidalgo says

    @ Ikaika

    I placed my order on August 26. I received an email stating that my RP Gold Buffalo shipped on October 2nd. So it took about say, 5 weeks to fulfill my order.

  38. Hidalgo says

    @ Ikaika – I’m uncertain if the label makes a difference. I requested the bison label.

  39. Hidalgo says

    @ Ikaika – also, I ordered a PCGS PR70 coin. I paid with a personal check that I mailed to Goldmart. My check cleared fairly quickly if I recall correctly.

  40. simon says

    dan : There is simple and efficient solution for moderns – purchase only from the USMint. Most second tier businesses built on USMint offerings, beginning with TPGs are suspect IMHO.

  41. says

    @Ikaika Thanks for mentioning Zombucks! I like them but forgot to check on them. Today I ordered my Morgue Annes. Seems like I just got the Walker Bucks. Isn’t the Walker Zombuck the second in the series? Someone mentioned the first was the Eagle! I don’t have that one, but it would then seem the Morgue Anne would be the third in the series?????

    @JagFan any ideas of what the next in the Zombucks series will be? The article implies one is released every three months.

    Now that the Buffalos have cleared the scene some! What about the FS coins? Anybody else wondering about them?

    My interest lately has been with the 2014 Year of the Horse coins! Nice looking additions to ones collection.

    Speak softly and carry a big stick is what I was always told and it makes more sense than WALK softly for the Teddy quote! JMHO

  42. says

    Oh, and I forgot to mention, the banks here never seem to get anything new! FRUSTRATING! So I am also wondering about the new 100 bills! I would like some of them! So please post if you have any luck getting them at your banks. Coming up soon! LOL! They should be gorgeous with all of the new additions to keep our moneys safe!

  43. Brad says

    Regarding that story about the counterfeit Silver Eagle W coins, look again. While the coin did have the W Mint mark that looked genuine enough, the FONT of the lettering on the reverse was totally wrong! Compare it to the genuine coin beside it and you’ll see it immediately.

    The WEIGHT may have been almost perfect, but the coin still looked fake with the wrong font.

  44. Dustyroads says

    A&L~Brand new batch with lots of great looking new Buffalo’s, not a bad price either. Maybe a 70…

  45. thePhelps says

    @Brad – the article indicated the coins shown were examples – the actual coins were confiscated. So you are not seeing what they were really being shown.

    @2 for the Money… the Walker was the 1st coin in the series. The Morgue Anne is the 2nd and will be sold through December when the 3rd is released.

  46. Ikaika says

    @ 2 for r money

    The Morgue Anne is the second of the Zombucks series. The Walker was the first. So you are fine. Received the Morgue yesterday and was very impressed with the coin. Mine have a burnished like finish or should we say it need to have a “Z” on it because it was minted at the Zombie mint ๐Ÿ™‚

  47. Jus-a-coin-luvr says

    Little known is that the Zombies will be using the order shipping addresses to know who to devour first. It’s a special part of the whole Zombie coin offering. Order a coin…be the first to get eaten! Isn’t that just like a Zombie to be thoughtful enough to know who their “consumers” are and who to “consume” first!

  48. A&L Futures says

    @ Dustyroads,

    I purchased several units when they initially went on sale. I’m simply waiting to liquidate my inventory once the final mintage is determined. As VARich stated, “Iโ€™m hoping 1,500,” and that’s it.

    I’ve already reserved one of my PR70s to sit alongside my Chicago ANA. I simply need to acquire a MS70 example to complete this years buffalo stampede.

  49. Dustyroads says

    A&L~I love the coin, too bad for for me I have not been as poised as I would like to be this year to take one. Sales have been brisk up until lately, but I doubt the US Mint is ready to slow down production just yet.

    I noticed the back-order status for the WM-P puck is still walking forward as of this morning, while the other issues have stopped. This could be an indication of a sell-out. At slightly over 20,000 I think it’s insight into the Mints plan.

    I know there’s speculation about what PM’s will do next, but if you ask me, I would say there’s sufficient headroom for a rally, and we most likely know where the floor is.

  50. VARich says

    Anyone one out there perceive that the Mint has taken action to curtail cancellations?

    For example, the last week of WP ASE orders went “In stock and reserved” for 8 to 14 before credit cards were pinged and then the sets were shipped.., in essence locking in the final product that was to be shipped without additional cancellations.

    It gets interesting when you consider the PR Buff that was marching out about 2 weeks ahead on a day for day slip, then jumped to 25 Oct and then back to 09 Oct and then immediately shipped. For it to ship (to me) as quickly as it did, the coin mated up with its packaging (in Indy?) or somewhere and then boxed up almost simultaneously with the ‘cancel box’ going away and the website being updated to show immediate shipping within the last 48 hours. My point is that a lot really came together in 48 hours to be receiving a tracking number already (this a.m.) for a product that ‘hadn’t’ even ‘shipped’ to PBGS 72 hours ago.

    If this is the case, I don’t fault the mint – just wondering if anyone else had a similar observation as I certainly have not this before.

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