U.S. Mint Shares Info on Liberty Medals, Standing Liberty Gold Coins, and Proof Silver Eagles

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American Eagle Silver Proof reverse. Photo by APMEX.

Today the U.S. Mint provided us with some eagerly awaited information regarding three of 2016’s most anticipated products.

First, the Mint has shared a notice on the Federal Register stating that the 2016 American Liberty Silver Medals, due for release on August 23, will be available for $34.95 each. Collectors will be able choose from medals struck at the San Francisco Mint and the West Point Mint. These medals will carry obverse and reverse designs first issued last year on the 2015 American Liberty High Relief Coin Coin.

Additionally, the Mint sent out a newsletter sharing a couple of important product-release dates. The first new addition to the calendar is the 2016 Standing Liberty Quarter Centennial Gold Coin, which will be released on September 8. The gold Standing Liberty quarter is the second of three 2016 coins to celebrate the centennial anniversaries of 1916 circulation pieces with gold reissues. A gold version of the Walking Liberty half dollar is also expected later this year.

Finally, we have an answer to one of the most-asked questions of 2016: “When will the 30th anniversary Proof Silver Eagles be released?” The newsletter from today lists the launch date for these issues as September 16.

American Eagle one-ounce silver Proof and Uncirculated coins are typically released in January, but the Mint has taken longer with the 2016 issues, in part due to legislation signed late last year that required the new issues to have smooth (rather than reeded) edges. The Mint’s notice does not explicitly indicate that an Uncirculated version will debut with the Proof coin on September 16.

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Comments

  1. Jeff says

    I will be out of the Liberty Medals launch, not interested in buying 60%-70% over spot. This is pure robbery ..

  2. fmtransmitter says

    Sept. 8, wow, time to find some fiat…I suspect the SE’s will be huge as well. Interesting mix this year. Great job keeping us up to date MNB!

  3. Sith says

    I will not be able to combine shipping with the ASE even though my Standing Liberty will be back ordered until October. Oh well at least they have a date, and to quote fmtransmitter “time to find some fiat.”

  4. cagcrisp says

    @Jeff, “I will be out of the Liberty Medals launch, not interested in buying 60%-70% over spot. This is pure robbery ..”

    hmmm….

    Yet….You got a Double Limit Order of the 2016 AMERICAN $1 COIN & CURRENCY SET. You paid $14.95 for $2. That’s a 648% markup.

    With the Silver medals, at least you have a Chance. You have No chance with the $2…

  5. Jeff says

    Well the old adage supply and demand . I did not set the price unlike the mint so your right buy what you like I don’t like, will pass again I bought several 2013 Burnished Silver Eagles can’t even break even on those. Burn me once shame on me burn me twice, three times and so on shame on you U.S. Mint . The BHOP coins are way better than these and you cant recoup what you have in them. no appreciation if you go in with that then all’s fine . I don’t like depreciation .

  6. earthling says

    I hear some bad times may be coming. Plan accordingly.

    As for myself, I plan to stock up on a bit of survival grub. Can’t hurt. If nothing else I’ll be ready for a camping trip one day.

  7. Old Big Bird says

    I see the article above. And I know the email I have. But the production Schedule on the Mint’s web site still states TBD. So I decided to call the wonderful customer service at the US Mint. And I was told that the email was sent out in error and that these release dates are not correct and those items the Liberty Standing gold quarter and
    American Proof Eagle.

    So the $64,000 question who is correct the above article which I would believe more than the great and wonderful customer service person at the US Mint. Who created the article, I would appreciate your input.

  8. fmtransmitter says

    KCSO says
    JULY 30, 2016 AT 1:11 PM

    Gift Certificates are not available for purchase,

    A 72 hour notification that you’ll be required to change your password,

    Difficulty unloading the mint Excel sales data sheet,

    Can you say, the mint’s website got hacked!

    Anything else I might have missed?

    Oh boy, seriously? Who is accountable for this and why has their not been a press release? Why do companies like Target HAVE to notify consumers, but not the Mint??

  9. fmtransmitter says

    Sith says
    AUGUST 1, 2016 AT 3:49 PM

    I will not be able to combine shipping with the ASE even though my Standing Liberty will be back ordered until October. Oh well at least they have a date, and to quote fmtransmitter “time to find some fiat.”

    And your bug out bag, makes sure it’s stocked up and keep your powder dry…

  10. joe#2 says

    100/1.. Let’s see if that happens… Will be keeping this baby as well in OGP..
    Can’t wait 🙂

  11. Jeff says

    Old Big Bird says It’s called smoke and mirrors tell them what they want to her typical bs from the mint. but I don’t care no horse in the game sideline watching

  12. Dustyroads says

    Old Big Bird, It was KCSO who shared with everyone here the dates on the calendar when the Mint updates the schedule. If I have marked my calendar correctly, Wednesday evening will be the time we will see the update.
    The Mint has in the past updated their schedule every other week accordingly.
    About the Mint customer service, that’s not the type of question they will know anything about. They however can tell you the status of your order. Well, that’s questionable too.

  13. Keep Calm & Stack On! says

    2016 Liberty Medals –

    Here’s an interesting recap of our last major medal release back in 2011, something to keep in perspective.

    Do note that spot silver started May ’11 around $44/oz, dropper to $32 mid-month, and ended the month ~$38.

    “Collectors who are considering buying one or more of the popular 9/11 Silver Medals should take action soon, before the United States Mint increases their prices. Their price tags are scheduled to rise $10 on Thursday, August 18, 2011 at 5 PM Eastern Time.

    When the commemorative medals were released on June 20, 2011, each was made available with an introductory price of $56.95. Buyers can choose the United States Mint facility that produces them, either West Point or Philadelphia. Since their release, a total of 117,364, or 5.86 percent of the maximum 2,000,000 mintage, have been purchased up as of Monday, August 8.

    Because the medals did not sell-out before August 18, 2011, the regular price of $66.95 will be implemented on Thursday. That fact, and volatile silver prices, could be what has fueled higher demand over the last couple of weeks. Their cumulative weekly advances moving toward mid-July hovered around 3,000 range, and then sales spiked. Weekly gains were first 16,488 and then 13,410. They jumped all the way to 22,312 in the last weekly round.

    The United States Mint has not shipped any of the medals yet, although they expect to begin in early September. As a consolation for the delay, they are including a free gift in all orders placed between June 20 and August 18, 2011. That gift is an 8″ x 10″ frameable document, signed by the Acting Director of the United States Mint, which features the artwork and descriptions for the medal designs.”

    ~Silver Coins Today, 15 August 2011

  14. Barry says

    So what is the idea behind the two mint marks on the silver medallions when the design is the same? Is it to increase sales or is there another reason ? Any guesses as to which one will sell more and why? Those with a gold liberty may buy both just to have a set. Maybe that is what the mint is thinking.

  15. Keep Calm & Stack On! says

    I did not buy into the 911 Silver Medals as I thought the price was ridiculously high..,

    I’m not happy about paying $34.95 for the Liberty Silvers..,

    …what this taught me today is that I have an aversion to high priced medals over spot, and would likely not be a collector of any silver medals as much as I would really like to see the NA Code Talker medal in silver.

  16. VA Bob says

    Silver medals. To buy or not to buy? The Mint can pop off as many as they like when ever they like. Medals notoriously lose value (in many cases) or ride their metal values, and have a smaller collector base than coins. The silver premiums for these offering will be coin-like (read “excessive”). The 2003 National Wildlife medals come to mind, the last 3 of the series having a 25K mintage. The Liberty medals will be a buy what you like kind of purchase. I wouldn’t recommend them as an investment. First day hype should be interesting.

    KCSO – A hack at the Mint is exactly what I thought, with the password change. No other reason to have every customer do it so quickly. I wonder if the hackers got the CC info.

  17. Hidalgo says

    From Coin Update:

    If the gold Standing Liberty Quarter were released at gold’s current $1,350-per-ounce price-point, it would cost $497.50, according to the Mint’s pricing chart for this year’s centennial gold coins.

    I plan to buy the Standing Liberty gold coin, the two silver medals, and a proof American Silver Eagle anniversary coin. They will make excellent additions to my collection!

  18. cagcrisp says

    Guesstimate for Mintage and Household Limits for the Standing Liberty Quarter:

    cagcrisp…125,000/10
    KCSO…115,000/10
    Dustyroads…90,000/5
    MT…75,000/5
    mark…125,000/20
    gatortreke…80,000/5
    earthling…70,000/4
    Eddie…100,000/5
    data dave…75,000/5
    MikeinPA…75,000/2
    Montana John…125,000/5
    Vancer…100,000/6
    Give Me Da Money Plz…100,000/5
    Steve…75,000/5
    Louis…75,000/5
    Xena…75,000/3
    Tinto…88,000/4
    NcCoinCollector…50,000/4
    Smalltimecollector…100,000/5
    NC Stacker…150,000/5
    Phil…75,000/3
    Throckmorton…80,000/4
    Jerry Diekmann…75,000/4
    Roxie…70,000/4
    gary…85,000/5
    SilverFan…50,000/4
    Joe…100,000/5
    Mark Rex…40,000/4
    GoldFishin…75,000/4
    Old Big Bird…75,000/2
    CasualCollector…75,000/2
    A Bob…90,000/2
    Ikaika…125,000/5
    Joe#2…125,000/1
    Dave SW FL…75,000/4
    stephen m…125,000/4
    Peter…50,000/4
    fmtransmitter…75,000/2
    SmallPotatos…125,000/1
    Goat…125,000/5
    johnaz…275,000/no limit
    Big L…125,000/2
    Tony…75,000/10
    AZ Dan…32,500/2
    achmed…75,000/5
    WilyCoyote…75,000/10
    Sith…100,000/2
    Blackbeard…60,000/4
    CF…80,000/5
    beaver…100,000/2
    Terence…60,000/4
    DBR…75,000/5
    Zaz…100,000/5
    Felson…95,000/5
    Paddy…74,000/5
    Gary Not Dave…125,000/5
    ips_stuff…75,000/5
    HarryB…100,000/5
    MikeinWA…75,000/5
    Ron…75,000/3
    Mattarch…50,000/2
    KEITHSTER…80,000/2
    Dan…110,000/10
    Alex in MA…125,000/10
    JARHEADnFLORIDA…50,000/4
    Yes, But…You Can’t Take It With You…100,000/5

  19. Keep Calm & Stack On! says

    VA Bob – good question. I just got a new CC, just waiting on USAA to issue a new CC for this hack; a statement from the mint cited the extent of the hack would be appreciated and appropriate.

    Gift Cards are still not available as of today, I suspect they may have been involved.., adds another layer of obscurity.

  20. Keep Calm & Stack On! says

    Cag – which one of us wins the Guestimate when the mint releases 120,000 with a HHL of 10?

    Is it age before beauty?

  21. Dave SW FL says

    Mint website hacked? Not hacked?

    The silence is deafening?

    Time to cancel credit cards & reissue w/ new #s

    At least they can’t get into the good old bank safety deposit boxes 😡

    I am done with mint products and their website until there is a statement guaranteeing they weren’t hacked. Not good that Dan has not been able to get confirmation.

  22. Keep Calm & Stack On! says

    There’s no way I’ll adjust my HHL of 10.

    The WLH will be a FY’17 (likely December) release now and the mint knows they’ll be dependent on its revenue to make 2017 financial numbers…,

    Now, here in 2016, the mint is still very likely to be dependent on the ASE and SLQ to help get leadership to or above their revenue goals for 2016, therefore I wouldn’t expect the mint to be generous in leaving money on the table.

    For that reason, I firmly believe the mint will screw up the SLQ release through jacking up the mintage over original plan, and they’ll leave the HHL of 10 as they’re tied to the hip with the dealers and big boys, or put differently, dependent on them, to move the mass amount and sell out the mintage in short order.

    All just my opinion, of course. And I hope I am grossly wrong.

  23. cagcrisp says

    The Mint has One day and One day only to get Mintage and Household Limits right. One day. Launch Day. IF you screw up Launch Day, you have No hope.

    The Mint better hope that they get it right…

  24. cagcrisp says

    The Mint had too low a Household Limit on Nancy Reagan and the $1 coin and currency set. There was No hope for either offering once the Wrong Household Limit was set. Dismal sales number for both offerings…

  25. says

    Is there any learning going on through all this?

    I can’t believe how low Nancy’s numbers are.., poor ole gal will be with us until 2020 at this rate

    I’m anxious to see if the mint imposes a HHL on the Liberty medals.., in which case I will be LMAO

  26. Jeff says

    I believe the Liberty medal will be nice, but will no upside other than flippers and dealers it’s plan and simple bust.,the only bump you will see is when spot silver moves. I say stay away. From finns, to water spots, wait for this epic failure mint surprise coming up. Buyers beware. Watching from the sidelines.

  27. HarryB says

    OT: the retail Gold sellers on EBay have ended their low premium over spot marketing and moved to $110 and up premium over spot for 1 oz US Mint bullion., with a few very high price buy it now for Gold Eagles and Buffalos. I got solicitations to purchase from APMEX and Gainsville today. What gives with the retail bullion sellers? Harry

  28. Sith says

    @Dave SW FL – I think they would have let us know by now if they were hacked. Then add only a fool would allow an account that maybe compromised to be reset using the old, and potentially compromised password. It would defeat the entire purpose of a password reset. It could work, if they also invalidated all credit cards they hold on record. As my credit card information is still valid, but I was forced to change my password I would say with 100% confidence, but not 100% certainty that they were not hacked, they are simply as indicated implementing a stronger password policy.

  29. Leo S says

    Mint Hack

    Everyone better check your CC bill closely in the coming months. Better still, cancel the card and get a new one.

  30. Gary Not Dave says

    Possibly a Proof Medal S mint mark and a Burnished Medal W mint mark? Just a guess.

  31. Dustyroads says

    Barry, It’s a straight forward strategy, make two and sell twice as many. It would be better if they were less expensive, but I’ll buy two just because of the mint marks.

  32. Dustyroads says

    Speaking of credit cards, don’t EVER give “people finders” your CC info. In the month of June I used the service for a one time $.98 search. At the end of June I had a charge for $24.95 appear on my CC under CFK *PEOPLE FINDERS. I tried calling the Co. but was never able to speak to anyone. I decided to cancel my CC and get a new number to prevent any further charges, but low and behold the Co. was able to get the new number from the credit card Co.. This past Saturday morning at 4:30 I got a text from my CC Co. stating that I had two charges of 24.95 from CFK *PEOPLE FINDERS and CFK *PF REWARDS.
    After spending considerable time on the phone talking to the CC Co., blocking “people finders,” doing a three way call with the CC rep and “people finders,” being hung up on by “people finders,” the CC rep agreed that I would get credited for the charges. What was good, was that the guy we spoke to at “people finders” admitted that I had only purchased a one time use before he hung up on us.
    We are still presently working on the resolution, but should be finished on Wednesday since the latest two charges are still pending. Now “people finders” has 90 days to appeal.

  33. Yes, But...You Can't Take It With You says

    The CC I had for my primary card at the Mint was hacked a few weeks ago. A card that I had previously used at the Mint was hacked a few months ago. Coincidence? Perhaps…

    I bought both 9/11 medals when they were issued and it is still one of my fave designs, aside from the fact that it make no explicit reference to the 9/11 attacks. They look like the first attempt to go with “enhanced uncirculated” although they were not designated as such. Very cool use of finishes.

  34. smalltimecollector says

    Well, we al know what most of the posters here will be doing Sept 8.
    On a completely different subject I wonder which candidate will make a better looking presidential coin in the future.

  35. Sith says

    @Dustyroads – Next time call your bank, at least my credit union can put an equivalent of a stop payment. They can charge you a one time fee for the service, but whoever you block is blocked, until you allow a payment to go through, of course this would not work if any Tom, Dick, and Harry can simply call up, and get your card\account information, then charge against it.

    @Yes, But…You Can’t Take It With You – I would say its coincidence, unless other people also complain about this, the common denominator in this case is you, not the mint. IE your computer could have been compromised. I’m not saying the mint would not try to hide a hack, but its usually the credit card companies that track these things down, and as they sue the pants off the company that got hacked, especially those that do not do their due diligence.

    Also if the mint was hacked and they were attempting to hide that information (again good luck hiding that from the banks\credit card companies) the mint director will be fired. Yes I know everyone here likes to make fun of the government but unlike civilian hacks, think Target, and Home Depot, were all they did was issue an apology, the government has been forcing people who fostering an “atmosphere of mistrust” by giving “incorrect or misleading” information to resign.

  36. NC Stacker says

    @Sith “I think they would have let us know by now if they were hacked”

    IF and IF the site was hacked. First thing the Mint will do is to close the security holes ( change admin passwords, apply software patching, update firewall rules, etc) they would also develop a plan that involves image/brand protection and damage control before the public is made aware. This could take months. as we are dealing with a government entity and not a private company.

  37. cagcrisp says

    Truman vs. Eisenhower vs. Johnson

    I’ve tracked the Truman’s since 08/02/15. Total bay Sales for the Truman’s in OGP are 1,301…

    1st 62 Sold Averaged $201.00
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $204.81
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $205.93
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $192.91
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $193.37
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $193.64
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $195.57
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $214.75
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $225.36
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $222.94
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $237.11
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $243.05
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $240.99
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $245.65
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $260.90
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $215.29
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $206.12
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $213.72
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $254.52
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $260.89
    Next 59 Sold Averaged $264.05
    Last 59 Sold Averaged $280.21

    I’ve tracked the Eisenhower’s since 08/17/15. Total bay Sales for Eisenhower in OGP are 2,984…

    1st 215 Sold Averaged $206.68
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $190.01
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $181.08
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $169.49
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $165.77
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $164.73
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $160.19
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $153.62
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $159.39
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $156.52
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $152.27
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $124.68
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $109.95
    Next 208 Sold Averaged $88.86 *One Seller sold 170 @ $85.00
    Last 65 Sold Averaged $102.52

    I’ve tracked the Johnson’s since 10/27/15. Total bay Sales for the Johnson in OGP are 1,925…

    1st 150 Sold Averaged $96.79
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $94.92
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $87.71
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $81.82
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $78.00
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $72.00
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $73.20
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $72.21
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $70.87
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $72.18
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $70.74
    Next 150 Sold Averaged $70.88
    Last 125 Sold Averaged $70.69

  38. Sith says

    @NC Stacker – Then the credit card companies would then sue them because they never told them to expire the compromised credit cards. The Mint director would go before Congress to explain why they tried to hide the compromise, and he would be forced to resign, or thrown the CTO under the bus.

    This is an election year

    FYI Those private companies you mention as being responsible, rewarded their CEO’s for protecting their image, and profits while forcing the banks to absorb the cost.

    “Target has said that it was only after the U.S. Department of Justice notified the retailer about the breach in mid-December that company investigators went back to figure out what happened. What it hasn’t publicly revealed: Poring over computer logs, Target found FireEye’s alerts from Nov. 30 and more from Dec. 2, when hackers installed yet another version of the malware. Not only should those alarms have been impossible to miss, they went off early enough that the hackers hadn’t begun transmitting the stolen card data out of Target’s network. Had the company’s security team responded when it was supposed to, the theft that has since engulfed Target, touched as many as one in three American consumers, and led to an international manhunt for the hackers never would have happened at all.”

  39. Sith says

    @NC Stacker – What you say is true for a minor hack, but once Personally identifiable information (PII) or financial information is involved all bets are off.

  40. baldwin says

    @Yes But… I believe the enhanced uncirculated coin required a software upgrade to the mints systems that didn’t take place until 2013. The software drives the lasers used for etching and as such it didn’t exist in 2011.

  41. cagcrisp says

    Gold and Platinum Increase tomorrow?

    Platinum: 1 level and possibly 2 levels
    Gold: For an Increase we need AM fix to be $1,372.05 or Higher and the PM Fix to be above $1,350.00…

  42. Sith says

    @NC Stacker – Sorry for the multiple posts, but one last thing, the government is not beholden to stock holders, this they are not profit orientated. Then add in this case if the mint was hacked, that shutting down the mints web systems will cost them nothing, but a few sales, after all they have no competition, if you want the item its not like you can order their coins from the Perth Mint.

    FYI – The Government Accountability Office (GAO) just finished “Cyber Sprint.” I imagine that improving the Mint’s ( Department of the Treasury) password policy was one of the findings. Of course saying all this I could be wrong, the mint could have been hacked.

  43. KCSO says

    Gold rocketing through $1,367

    Platinum backing down off $1,175 from earlier this morning

    Price increases? If not this week, then next.

  44. data dave says

    I don’t believed the mint site was hacked. I was able to keep my same password since it already met the increased requirements. A lot of speculation with virtually no facts to support.

    On the Langbord family saga, I could never understand why they thought they could win against the government. If it was me, I would have only turned in one of them and then waited to see what would happen. If you win, you find some more. If you lose, you look at other options.

  45. cagcrisp says

    What a difference a Month makes…

    The 2016 Platinum Proof Launched 33 days ago. Current Mint Sales numbers show total sales of 9,285 coins.

    9,285 coins x $1,350.00 = $12,534,750 in Revenue.

    Fast forward to Today. At a Current Platinum spot price of $1.167.00 (anything above $1,150.00) the Mint would be charging $1,550.00 for the same coin. $200.00 pricing increase in a little over a month.

    9,285 coins x $1,550.00 = $14,391,750 in Revenue.

    Glass half Full, a collector/investor/flipper savings of $1,857,000…
    Glass half Empty, the Federal deficit will not be reduced by $1,857,000…

  46. Sith says

    @data dave – They didn’t think they could win, they thought the government would split the proceeds with them, but your right they should have turned in a single coin, then once they lost, they could have held an auction in Switzerland for the remaining 9 coins

  47. Jeff says

    cagcrisp says the Mint would be charging $1,550.00 for the same coin. $200.00 pricing increase in a little over a month. You know the funny think is people would not care and they would buy this trinket at almost any price.

  48. Give Me Da Money Plz says

    The Langbords broke the biggest rule in the book. They should have known the government was after those coins. People need to break the trance and wake up. If you are in possession of something that you think is worth lots of money, and government agents show up at your front door asking to “authenticate” it, DO NOT HAND IT OVER STUPID! Tell them to go and obtain a warrant from a judge and then get on the next flight to a country that does not have an extradition treaty.

    Anything that you say to government agents can be used and twisted against you in the most unimaginable ways possible and it is perfectly legal for police and for government agents to lie to you.

    The government does not care about you or your family. The government does what it is in its own best interests.

  49. cagcrisp says

    @Jeff, “You know the funny think is people would not care and they would buy this trinket at almost any price.”

    “There you Go Again…” That’s just Not correct…

    I have bought ONLY 2 offerings from the Mint this year. IF the mintages are correct (and Not Mint to Demand), I will buy ONLY 2 more offerings from the Mint this year. That’s it. Not correct mintages and I’m gone. I’m not Wed to any Mint offering.

    I have stated that I am NOT a fan of the SLQ and I will buy ONLY IF the mintages are within reason. Here are the reasons that I bought the $1,350.00 2016 Platinum Proof and they would NOT be the same reason to buy a $1,550.00 2016 Platinum Proof. (I emailed this Before Platinum Launch)…

    1. Either Gold is too high or Platinum is too low
    2. This is only the 2nd time in the past 30 years that Platinum has traded this big a discount to Gold
    3. In the past 10 years, on Average, Platinum has traded 34% Higher than Gold
    4. Currently Platinum in trading 24% Lower than Gold
    5. Look at the prices on the bay for a 1 oz. Platinum Proof for ANY American Eagle and see how that compares to $1,350.00
    6. You ONLY have 1 chance a year to get a Proof APE
    7. There is No bullion Platinum this year
    8. Since the inception of the 1997 APE this is the Largest spread between the price of Gold and Platinum in Favor of Platinum. Most of the time Platinum has been higher
    9. When the 2015 APE Launched Gold was $221 Higher than Platinum; Today Gold is $309 Higher than Platinum
    10. Forget about the foolishness concerning the 10k limit
    11. See #1 Again. Either Gold is too high or Platinum is too low

    Jeff, I don’t buy what I like. I buy to give away and I only buy what I think will be worth More than I paid for it years down the road.

    I bought the Winged Liberty Head dime and I’ve said many times that people are giving them away at $250.00.

    I don’t do Platinum, SO…I have no price target for Platinum. I just bought Because of the List above…

  50. cagcrisp says

    Speaking of the Winged Liberty Head dime, One of the major bay players has sold “287” of the ” 2016 W MERCURY DIME GOLD CENTENNIAL COMMEMORATIVE COIN WITH BOX/COA 16XB”

    In Early June was selling for $259.95, now Currently selling since mid-July for $269.00…

  51. Dustyroads says

    Now that the SLQ have been scheduled with no word yet about the unsold 1/10th oz. Mercs, is the Mint saying they are history?

  52. Sith says

    @Give Me Da Money Plz – Except that the Langbords sent the coins to the U.S. Mint to be authenticated, no Agents came knocking on their door.

    “The government was also convinced that Switt had gotten away with stealing the coins, even though he’d been identified as the architect of the scheme in a 1940s Secret Service investigation. Berke and the Langbords knew there was no way the Mint would willingly permit Switt’s family to keep the newly discovered stash…The Langbord family made one of history’s great gambles when they turned over those 10 1933 Double Eagles to the Mint for authentication… by baiting the government to bring a forfeiture action, Berke and the Langbords shifted the burden of proof to the government. In the best-case scenario for the Langbords, the government might have agreed to a settlement similar to the Farouk coin deal, in which the Langbords received compensation for the 10 1933 Double Eagles. But in the worst-case scenario, the government would have to prove its ownership of the coins based on 80-year-old documents and double hearsay evidence from long-dead investigators.”

    On July 20, 2011, a jury ruled unanimously in favor of the United States government concerning ownership of the ten additional double eagles. The court concluded that the circumstantial evidence proved that Israel Switt had illegally obtained the coins from the United States government, and that they are thus still government property

  53. Give Me Da Money Plz says

    @ Sith

    Still. I would have never sent them in. I would never have told anybody. I would have enjoyed the coins way too much. It would have been my little secret. To see them melted down or put in some museum would have broken my heart.

  54. Sith says

    @Give Me Da Money Plz – Its a catch 22, I would have done like data dave said, but even so this is like an art theft, but worst as the owner is the USA, not a musium. For example, the Mona Lisa is priceless, but ultimately proved to be less than worthless to Vincenzo Peruggia. All it’s theft did was get him 7 months in the pokey.

  55. Louis says

    I was able to get the USM to confirm the release dates that were in the e-mail many of us received.

  56. Sith says

    Sorry make that museum, not musium…oh and by the way I don’t think they ever had a chance, ultimately it comes down to rewarding theft, too bad Congress, and its cronies are not held to the same standard.

  57. Dustyroads says

    Mr. Langbord was a thief. A real thief has no problem with consulting with members of his family, thus bringing them into the crime. I wonder how many generations of this family has passed since they have really known about these coins. Shoot, they were hoping for millions.

  58. NC Stacker says

    @ DustyRoads “Now that the SLQ have been scheduled with no word yet about the unsold 1/10th oz. Mercs, is the Mint saying they are history?”

    The unsold Mercs are being melted down and made into a tribute coin to give to the Langbord family.

    @ Sith, valid points. I guess they don’t have to worry about SOX audits and at least we have the FOIA. 😉

  59. Jeff says

    @ DustyRoads “Now that the SLQ have been scheduled with no word yet about the unsold 1/10th oz. Mercs, is the Mint saying they are history?”

    Nope AP’s picked them up. Or HSN Huckster ..

  60. cagcrisp says

    @Dustyroads, the Alleged thief was Israel Switt. He was father to Joan Langbord. The Secret Service had investigated Mr Switt decades earlier but couldn’t prove anything. The 9-3 decision ruled that Mr. Switt had either stolen or embezzled the coins out of the Philadelphia Mint…

  61. earthling says

    Gold & Platinum are trying their best to make us happy. I’m happy. Now if Plat could climb back up to $2200 , or whatever plateau it was once on.

  62. Yes, But...You Can't Take It With You says

    Sith: At 2:33 PM you had a lengthy quote. You (and others on MNB) sometimes quote from other sources without giving attribution. This is bad policy for two reasons: (1) It doesn’t credit the original writer/publication and (2) it leaves the readers here at MNB at a disadvantage because we can’t evaluate the source. Please give credit where credit is due.

  63. Sith says

    @Yes, But…You Can’t Take It With You – I agree, but as with my discourse with the spelling Nazis, we are not writing a term paper. This is an informal blog, and a off topic conversation to boot. If you want detailed information, a polite request for the source as you have done should suffice.

    http://blogs.reuters.com/alison-frankel/2015/04/20/how-heirs-of-alleged-rare-coin-thief-won-gamble-against-u-s-mint/

    As a FYI placing URLs in your post can activate the anti-spam features of this blog, and in some case the links go towards competitor websites,. In the first case your post gets blocked, until it has been granted permission, as nobody wants to see a link for the newest penis enlargement pill, and in the second case it will get deleted.

  64. Yes, But...You Can't Take It With You says

    Sith – thanks for your response. Good summary article. Trying to keep it polite and not be the “MNB Police” but it does seem important to give attribution for the reasons I mentioned. Also, thanks for the scoop on using URL’s in this blog. I guess another way around is to simply state something like “I picked up this quote from Alison Frankel”. Anyway – all good. Thanks again.

  65. cagcrisp says

    Gold and Platinum Price Increases for Today?

    Boy oh Boy are the numbers CLOSE…

    the Averages on Gold are $1,349.15.

    The Averages on Platinum (without the AM fix) is $1,150.38. That would indicate a Two Level Price Increase,

  66. Sith says

    @Yes, But…You Can’t Take It With You – That is a very good point while grabbing a quote, just grab the authors name at the same time.

  67. cagcrisp says

    @KCSO, “So Cag, does that mean that my $1,350 American Platinum Proof will then be a $1,550 coin per the grid?”

    It appears to me that would be the case…

  68. cagcrisp says

    How Long has it been since we have seen a Double Price Increase on a Gold or Platinum product?

    Anyone?

  69. Brad says

    It’s been almost 5 years since a two-tier price increase if I remember correctly. In September 2011 the Mint suspended gold coin sales right after the Lucy Hayes FS coins debuted due to rapid price increases in spot gold. Sales were resumed a few days later two tiers higher. I’m not 100% on this, but I think that’s what happened.

  70. cagcrisp says

    @Brad, I think that is a Very good answer. I was thinking Mid-August of 2011 but it could have been September.

    Lucy Hayes came out September 1st 2011. Sales were suspended September 2nd…

  71. says

    Let’s see, I’ll take one of each of the silver lib medals (to go with my 2011 9/11 medal), two of the gold SLQ’s and 10 of the ASE proofs. When was the last time the mint released something on a Friday?

  72. says

    I was really hoping to see edge lettering in Script font and either proof-like or antiqued…

    Just not sure how visible it’s going to be in a capsule… Oh Well

    Thanks for the link Chris

  73. says

    Is it just me or is this 30th Anniversary ASE appearing not to be all that special.

    Don’t mean to be a Debbie downer, the edge lettering now just got lost on me, ahh, I’ll sleep on it. I’ll grab one anyway

  74. cagcrisp says

    @KCSO, “Is That All There Is?”

    to the 30th ASE.

    9 months for edge lettering. Million$ of lost revenue because Congress passed a bill in December that should have been passed in the summer.

    Lost revenue? yep. I buy Several Congratulation sets every year to give for birthdays or graduations. All birthdays and graduations have Long passed.

    Considering the Mint sells ~ 10,000 proof ASE’s/week (Most in Launch week) we will see if the Mint interprets the Congressional bill the same way on ending the 30th Anniversary as they did inn allowing NO 2015 ASE’s to be sold in 2016. In other words do All the 2016 ASE’s have to be Sold in 2016?

  75. NC Stacker says

    @KCSO “Is it just me or is this 30th Anniversary ASE appearing not to be all that special.
    Don’t mean to be a Debbie downer, the edge lettering now just got lost on me, ahh, I’ll sleep on it. I’ll grab one anyway”

    I think the edge lettering was an after thought and a short term fix to make this a “special” coin.

  76. data dave says

    I personal don’t like edge lettering at all. Its like a gimmick to make more room because the obverse and reverse were not used efficiently. Because of the way most coins are displayed in capsules or albums, the edges are not readily visible. If there is no difference in the front or back, I refuse to collect multiple issues based on the edge.

    For instance, what if the 30th anniversary legend could be in any position along the edge. Would people collect based on 90 degree difference, 45 degree difference, 2 degree difference? Upside down, right side up?

    But I guess that is just me. I would also rather have a new 5 oz puck rather than 5 more silver eagles.

  77. cagcrisp says

    Those of you that are on FB, Coin World had a really good video of the SLQ being made…

  78. Brad says

    I was wondering the same thing about whether or not the 30th Anniversary Eagles would only be sold during 2016. I hope that is the case, as it may allow them to remain on the lower mintage side and possibly retain some collector value.

    It will be kind of cool to have silver eagles with a smooth edge for the first time ever, but they actually look better with the reeded edge. Those reeds really allow the metal to shine! The edges somehow look duller with a smooth edge.

  79. DBR says

    @ Dustyroads

    Lol! No, I’m not wishing and I’m not President of Deutsch Bank. I’ve been itching to consume and collect. It’s been slim pickings lately. Nothing new released from the Mint as of late. I’m looking forward to the centennial gold designs on the SLQ and WLH.

    And when I’m presented with a choice between A and B or as in coin examples between S and W, I tell myself, “Why can’t I have both?”

    I passed on the APE’s so now I’m ready for continuous non-stop purchasing from now until the year’s end.

    Ever since I was shut out on the Truman C&C release, my purchasing strategy and tastes have become admittedly a little megalomaniacal. 🤑

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