U.S. Mint’s January 2017 Calendar Begins to Fill In; Two Product Roll-Outs Remain for 2016

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The Mint has set its sales dates for January 2017. On January 5, the 2017 America the Beautiful Quarters Silver Proof Set (17AP) will debut, with the 2017 Birth Set (17RD) and Happy Birthday Coin Set (17RE) coming available January 10.

On January 18, the Mint’s first collectible coins of the year—the Lions Club International 2017 Centennial Proof (17CH) and Uncirculated (17CJ) silver dollars—will be released. These will be followed on January 25 by the 2017 Native American dollar rolls, bags, and boxes.

Prices and images for the above items are not yet available.

Meanwhile, the Mint’s final product offerings of 2016 are set to roll out this week. The first is the 2016 Annual Uncirculated Dollar Coin Set (16RB), which will be available tomorrow (Dec. 14) at noon. Priced at $49.95, the set includes three Uncirculated 2016 Presidential $1 coins (Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, and Ronald Reagan), all from the Philadelphia Mint; one Uncirculated 2016 Native American $1 coin from the Denver Mint; and one 2016 American Eagle 1-ounce silver Uncirculated coin, from the West Point Mint.

And in a hoped-for (but not necessarily expected) move, the Mint has announced that at noon on Thursday, December 15, it will make the remaining 2016 Mercury (Winged Liberty) Dime Centennial gold coins (16XB) available for purchase. The initial supply of coins sold out almost immediately after the coins went on sale April 21. That left 8,904 strikes of the mintage limit of 125,000 in the void. Collectors who’ve been hoping the remaining coins would be released can now take another bite at the apple. This time around, the coins will cost slightly less ($200 instead of $205), but the household order limit will be much tighter: only one per household, as opposed to 10 in the initial offering.

The supply of available coins will likely be sold as fast as the Mint’s computers can process the orders. However, some collectors are asking how many of the newly available stock are returns. While Mint News Blog can’t say for sure, here are a few numbers to consider.

  • The maximum number of coins reported sold was 122,510, on the April 24 Mint report.
  • The sales figures were adjusted downward over the next few months as the books were audited and customers made returns. The lowest number reported, 116,096, was released on September 11, and has remained steady since then.
  • The number of coin reported sold—122,510—minus the 116,096 last reported suggests that 6,414 coins were returned. This is a tricky figure, however. It doesn’t include (1) how many “sales” were never delivered due to credit-card issues, delivery-address issues, and so forth; (2) how many customers were on the waiting list and were able to get coins after the inventory was depleted; (3) how many coins were struck but withheld from sales to handle later returns; or (4) how many of the returns were due to collector disappointment in the strike, finish, size, packaging etc., as opposed to noticeable flaws.
  • For the sake of argument, let’s say 5,500 coins were returned with visible flaws. Thus, of the 8,904 ostensibly remaining in the maximum mintage, about 62% would returns and about 38% would be first-time sales.

Obviously this is a very rough estimate, and leaves out a host of factors. Moreover, not all “noticeable flaws” are equal. A hairline scratch in the reverse field might be a deal-breaker for one collector, but for another, it might not matter in the least.

Another question going around is whether the new HHL is subject to previous orders—that is, if you bought any coins in the first round of sales, are you eliminated from this round? Michael White, in the Mint’s Office of Corporate Communications, writes, “The Household Order limit of 1 pertains to this re-release of the Mercury Dime Centennial Gold Coin.” (Italics are his.) Collectors who ordered previously “can still order one more.”   ❑

Click here for Louis Golino’s U.S. Mint exclusive report on the Mercury Dime Centennial Gold Coin, published on Coin Update in April.


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  1. scott says

    I have been out of the loop for a while.when will the next price change for gold possibly occur? thanks.

  2. cagcrisp says

    @scott, It’s a week by week pricing. Thursday through Wednesday is where the data is pulled from. It will NOT be tomorrow. A new clock starts Thursday morning…

  3. cagcrisp says

    16XA 2016 WALKING LIBERTY 24K GOLD .5OZ 58,682 + 1,674
    16XB 2016 MERCURY DIME 24K GOLD .1OZ 116,096 –
    16XC 2016 STANDING LIBERTY 24K GOLD .25OZ 84,625 + 577

  4. cagcrisp says

    SOME are chasing the NPS uncirculated ( I don’t think it matters)…

    16CA 2016 NATIONAL PARK SERVICE GOLD PROOF 4,683 + 74
    16CB 2016 NATIONAL PARK SERVICE GOLD UNC 3,984 + 285
    16CC 2016 NATIONAL PARK SERVICE SILVER PROOF 60,592 +1,716
    16CD 2016 NATIONAL PARK SERVICE SILVER UNC 20,213 +306
    16CE 2016 NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CLAD PROOF 38,503 + 942
    16CF 2016 NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CLAD UNC 18,525 + 455
    16CG 2016 NATIONAL PARK SERVICE 3-COIN SET 14,133 + 212

    16CH 2016 MARK TWAIN GOLD PROOF 12,874 +113
    16CJ 2016 MARK TWAIN GOLD UNC 5,504 + 48
    16CK 2016 MARK TWAIN SILVER PROOF 76,709 +1,058
    16CL 2016 MARK TWAIN SILVER UNC 25,846 +234

  5. cagcrisp says

    A LOT bigger number than I wanted for the uncirculated ASE…

    16EA 2016 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ 510,009 + 18,754

    16EB 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 20,778 +361
    16EC 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ 5,124 + 66
    16ED 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/4 OZ 7,136 + 1 Gone, Gone, Gone
    16EE 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/10 OZ 20,835 + 535
    16EF 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 4-COIN SET 15,168 + 253

    16EG 2016 AM EAGLE SILVER UNC 1 OZ 158,120 + 23,195

    16EH 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD UNC 1 OZ 6,480 +226

    16EJ 2016 AM EAGLE PLATINUM PROOF 1 OZ 9,151 –

    16EL 2016 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 21,733 +335

  6. cagcrisp says

    16SA 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – NIXON 2,396 + 22
    16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – NIXON 1,441 + 12
    16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – FORD 2,137 + 30
    16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – FORD 1,384 +15
    16SE 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 3,169 +53
    16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 1,693 +20

    JQ1 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 2,571 + 8
    JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 1,796 +5
    JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – EISENHWR 1,892 +3
    JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – KENNEDY 6,382 + 20
    JQ7 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 2,593 +11
    JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 1,700 + 3

  7. cagcrisp says

    Fort Moultrie…2nd Lowest first week sales in Years. Only Bombay Hook is lower in Years. NOT good IF you believe in the “P” pucks. Free shipping on non subscription orders and that’s all you got…

    16AK 2016 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – CMBRLND 18,720 +43
    16AL 2016 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – HARP FRY 18,389 + 261
    16AN 2016 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – FT MOULTRIE 14,582 +14,582

  8. cagcrisp says

    16PA 2016 REAGAN COIN & CHRONICLES SET 38,632 + 838

    16RA 2016 AMERICAN $1 COIN & CURRENCY SET 45,206 +715

    16RC 2016 LIMITED EDITION SILVER PROOF SET 30,315 +3,233

  9. says

    According to MNB:
    Michael White, in the Mint’s Office of Corporate Communications, writes, “The Household Order limit of 1 pertains to[i] this[/i] re-release of the Mercury Dime Centennial Gold Coin.” (Italics are his.) Collectors who ordered previously “can still order one more.”

    I feel confidant that Michael White has precisely no clue about how the Mint’s website has been programmed to accept/ reject orders. I encourage readers to post their status (e.g., already bought one or more from the Mint) and their result of the attempt to order another one..

  10. Dustyroads says

    SW2 2015 SILVER PROOF SET 384706 +859

    If the 2015 Silver Proof Set is pulled at the beginning of January, it very well may sell fewer than the all time low 2012 sets with only 395,443 sold.

  11. Mike the Greek says

    I guess I’ve gone sour on proof sets. Oh, I love the beauty of the coins all right. It’s just, they don’t seem to appreciate in value much. I can still get sets from years and years ago for what seems like a very low price. Of course you get into sets in the 60’s or earlier and they go up a lot; those seem pretty cool to me.

    So I’ve stopped buying yearly sets because they just don’t seem to appreciate in value.

  12. Dustyroads says

    1936 3,837
    1937 5,542
    1938 8,045
    1939 8,795
    1940 11,246
    1941 15,287
    1942 21,120
    1950 51,386
    1951 57,500
    1952 81,980
    1953 128,800
    1954 233,300
    1955 378,200
    1956 669,384
    1957 1,247,952
    1958 875,652
    1959 1,149,291
    1960 1,691,602
    1961 3,028,244
    1962 3,218,019
    1963 3,075,645

  13. Mike the Greek says

    I’ve never seen proof sets go for that much, so relatively recently. I’ve seen older sets go for that. There’s a proof set from a long time ago listed right there near the link you sent that’s pretty cheap. Is it because it’s a low mintage set?

    Is it worth it then to buy the Silver Edition Proof sets? They seem like they are appreciating in value…thoughts?

  14. Dustyroads says

    2003 1,125,755
    2004 1,175,934
    2005 1,069,679
    2006 1,054,008
    2007 875,050
    2008 763,887
    2009 697,365
    2010 585,401
    2011 574,175
    2012 395,443
    2013 419,720
    2014 429,493

  15. Dustyroads says

    Mike,
    Now you see why I made the post above. I don’t know about the LESPS, I don’t buy them. The 2012 sold very well because it contained the half dollar and dime which were lows.

  16. Mike the Greek says

    Thanks Dustyroads. Oddly after many times posting my last comment is “awaiting moderation.” Strange.

  17. Dustyroads says

    Mike,

    Yes, It happens to me too.

    Keep in mind when looking at the other 2012 silver proof sets in the above ebay ad that they are active auctions and not for sale at those prices.

  18. cal g. says

    @Dustyroads…DID the 2012 Silver Proof Set END sales 12-31-2012? I would think that would be your big clue for 2016’s closing time.
    I don’t order anymore proof sets, I got so discouraged by the tiny, yet visible struck through lines on most coins, and, ALWAYS in the worst possible spot on the coin. They looked like little reflective “worms” on the fields……..Would love to donate a freakin air cleaner to the Mint for their pressing rooms, which would purify the air.
    NOT buying a gold dime thursday…with my luck, I’d get someone’s returned coin, with, yep, you know what on it.

  19. So Krates says

    OT

    PEOTUS met with Ray Lewis, Jim Brown and Kanye West yesterday, but refuses 85% of the Intelligence PDBs.

  20. data dave says

    @Dustyroads – I have been following the proof set sales for quite a while. I definitely think the silver has held up much better than the regular. The other thing that makes the 2015 a possible winner is that there are no LESPS from that year to add to the total of silver coins (mainly the half) that people collect individually. You also get the proof dollars and 2015 might be the low mark for them also. But as others have stated on this blog you have to be careful about chasing new lows every year.

  21. Zaz says

    2017 product list looks pretty weak, a sign of the times to come, meh items for meh times. The high relief gold might be only good thing next year. I’ve given up on the Mint entirely even for the basic proof products.

    Seriously, the only thing on the horizon that’s exciting is the 5oz silver curved proof for the 50th moon landing. Legislation is signed in the house and senate. Just needs a signature from the POTUS. You know the PEOTUS would easily veto this bill because of a disrespect for and an ignorance of history as well as trimming the fat from Washington.

  22. cagcrisp says

    IF you are purchasing/selling any precious metals be quite aware of the Fed meeting announcement around 2PM ET today.

    25 Basis point move is built into Every market. A 50 basis point move is less than a 10% probability and would unnerve the market.

    Gold/Silver will react negatively to a 50 basis point move OR a Yellen statement to the effect “we will be more aggressive” in 2017.

    The market has a schedule that they believe the Fed will follow . Any deviation +/- to the market Expectations has the potential to whipsaw the precious metals market…

  23. Ryan says

    Looks like my rhodium is flying today! I wonder what that has to do with the fed meeting? Every market in the world is so backward right now, up is down and down is up.

  24. Ryan says

    Received my Trans Siberian egg “coin” today! Amazingly beautiful coin but, I will say that the plastic capcel has lines where it comes to gather almost like a plastic Easter egg and the lines cover some of the intricate detail of the coin or make it harder to see. The coin itself is VERY intricate, I’ll have to view it with a loop later tonight.

  25. earthling says

    I got a wild hair today and decided I DID want another Gold ” Mercury” after all. Drove to the McDonalds in a big rush. Got online with their WiFi and proceeded to be all frustrated for a good 15 minutes because I just could not find the silly coin on the site. Finally I did find it …. then realized it wasn’t on sale until tomorrow!

    Gah. I guess when I went on vacation my brain went on vacation also.

    I just love being out of SE Michigan. Delaware may be a bit boring but at least it’s relatively free of the scamdoggs that populate the alleyways, hallways and streets up there in Dumptroit/Detoilet/Bankruptsy City.

  26. says

    Ryan..why did you and when did you to invest in the most unpredictable pm.

    Do you realize it was $10,000/oz in 12/08 and dropped to $1000 a year later?

  27. cagcrisp says

    Fed raised 25 basis points as expected. Maybe 3 rate increases in 2017 instead of 2 and GLD sold off marginally…

    GLD was up $.50 …

    …And now it’s marginally Down…

  28. Ryan says

    Yes that exactly why I bought it! The supply side is very low so it can’t correct when demand rises, that’s what gives it the massive boom and bust cycles. It’s impossible to predict the how or why rhodium will rise so I looked at history and it’s the same price as it was in the late 70’s early 80’s and the cheapest it’s ever been when you factor in inflation. I started buying a little over a year ago slowly when the price would drop I’d buy a few ounces. I’m now holding 60 oz’s and if the prices stay low or take a lower dip then I’m willing to get to 100 oz max. It’s speculative but far less risk than stocks right now IMO. The average price over the past 30 years is 2,000 or so, so just if I reach average I will more than double my money.

  29. earthling says

    I found an article once about some guy in GM that pretty much drove Rhodium to its high point. Seems like Rhodium is a very thinly traded material with a really large buy/sell spread. There are also a few places that sell Iridium and Ruthenium now. Talk about exotic Commodities.

    For hedge positions Gold and Silver will always lead the pack.

  30. Ryan says

    Right, rhodium is not a hedge it’s a metal that trades like a volatile stock. The benefit of rhodium over a volatile stock is when it’s low you can buy with both hands without the fear of it going bankrupt like a company.

  31. JARHEADnFLORIDA says

    I purchased the winged liberty dime on the secondary market, and it cost me $100.00 more. Really wanted this in my collection, to go with my gold buffalos of the same size. Planning on passing this on to my son, and daughter.

  32. Ryan says

    Provident metals, eBay, but only buy from the big dealers like MCM or PCE or you can buy direct from the Baird mint in the U.K. The only brands are Baird mint and now PAMP has really nice bars.

  33. qlipoffs says

    It would be nice if the mint gave priority to those that signed up for the ‘notify me when back in stock’ notice for the mercury dime.

  34. Ryan says

    Anyone thinking about buying rhodium should keep in mind that it can just as easily go to $400 as $5000 but if you don’t need the cash right away at some point in your life it will be significantly higher than today.

  35. Ryan says

    I originally got into platinum group metals as a way to get in on the low rand. I was thinking of buying a house in South Africa last year because the prices were insanely cheap but I didn’t want to have maintenance costs and odd political risks so I figured the rand moves with commodities and especially platinum metals since it’s one of the only places on earth to get them. The other thing that further pushed me into them was a lot of chatter about how platinum metals will be abundant in the future because we won’t be driving combustion engine cars an we’ll get all the platinum, palladium and rhodium we need from space. I figured with sentiment that low and prices this low how much worse could it get, I find that as soon as everyone can give you a reason to not be in something that’s the best time to buy.

  36. says

    Ryan, are you buying Baird 1 oz in asset card, unique serial #, etc. MCM is selling them for $929.95 on ebay. Provident is a good bit higher.if you use a cc.

    Not knowing much about Radium, I did some research. It is a member of the platinum family, but much rarer. However 80% of it is used in auto’s catalytic converters and alloyed with either platinum or palladium. It is also sometimes plated over silver jewelry because it is non-corrosive.

    So, you must be very financially secure with other assets, as Radium is not for novice investors imo

  37. So Krates says

    There’s gotta be a cheaper way to take a $100K long position in rhodium. Provident has a $180 spread on 1 oz. Baird bars. That means if the price of rhodium is the same when you sell as when you bought your 100 bars you will lose $18,000 off the top. Or another way to look at it would be that rhodium has to increase by 18% in order to break even. Either way… Ouch!

  38. Ryan says

    Right I buy bonds, stocks and ALL precious metals just in different ratios and at different times. Right now I only own one stock because this massive move up gave me a chance to take profits on all of my stock holdings which was about 20 companies. I’m not buying into this market anymore, even if it rips for the next year I guess I’ll just miss it but I’m protecting the gains I’ve already made. I buy precious metals and bonds every month, bonds in set numbers and metals when the price or mood strikes me. I buy physical rhodium 1 oz Baird or PAMP

  39. Ryan says

    There’s one rhodium etf but I don’t buy etfs. The price is high because rhodium is very brittle and difficult to work with. Its not the premium but where it’s going, if it hits 10k again in your lifetime the premium will not have mattered. It’s the rarest precious metal in the world, I’ll take the physical thank you .

  40. Ryan says

    The other thing is when rhodium moves it moves fast both up and down. 18% could be covered in 3 days. It’s up almost 9% today…..might be down 9% tomorrow .

  41. .John Q. Coinage says

    The mint website is now like olley olley oxen free, you need to search & play around to find stuff. That is good for mint sale$… I bet they’ve had 1,000 calls & said “Oh really…want to buy a 24kt gold Walker”
    “….or a “Raygun C&C set, it’s “close” to a sellout” (they actually said that!) By the way, it seems as if the medals available has been cut 88%…..? huh

  42. So Krates says

    @ Ryan – You are right. The premium is high, and it does not matter. The SPREAD is the problem. It is inversely related to the size and liquidity of the market. Remember…

    Buy what you like…get paid back what they like

  43. Ryan says

    Right, my hope is that when it runs people will do anything they can to get some. Look at forum posts about precious metals when it was at 10k, people tripping over themselves to buy because people are stupid! You don’t buy ANYTHING at all time highs! “But this time it’s different” no it’s not

  44. Dustyroads says

    Could there be a variety in the unc. (burnished) coins?

    Both of the coins I have from the Mint have a rub area on the reverse immediately above 1 OZ.
    Someone apparently tried to remove from the die two small dimples, but were unable to. Both small dimples are raised.

  45. fmtransmitter says

    qlipoffs says
    DECEMBER 14, 2016 AT 3:01 PM

    It would be nice if the mint gave priority to those that signed up for the ‘notify me when back in stock’ notice for the mercury dime.

    100%agree!!!!!!!!!!!!

  46. fmtransmitter says

    art says
    DECEMBER 14, 2016 AT 9:52 AM

    Does the Mint even know that their website is screwed up due to missing products on various pages?

    For the 25th time, it is not the Mint, they don’t even look at the website.,It is a contractor that needs to be drained from the swamp IMHO

  47. fmtransmitter says

    For those that want the dime tomm, TYPE IN 16XB in the search box EARLY to find the product, easiest way is to have the item code/# when trying to navigate that horrible website…

  48. Numismatrix says

    “Could there be a variety in the unc. (burnished) coins?”

    Best to send Ken Potter an e-mail with photos. He is well
    knowledgeable and respected in the field and would ID it..

  49. joe#2 says

    These remainder dimes the Mint will be selling 2morrow will probably be “problem” coins sent back and/ or credit card returns… hmmmmmmmmmmm

  50. says

    You can also find the dime by clicking on “coins, gold coins, then select the price of gold coins between $100 & $250…only the 1/10 oz proof gold eagle and the Mercury dime show up.

  51. Dave SW FL says

    Merc Dime – Also find it in the product schedule with date April 21

    Could not help myself andordered the Twain proof silver dollar. Opened today. Worth every cent paid – a beautiful coin, IMHO.

  52. says

    Has anyone been buying the 2016 Annual Uncirculated Dollar set? It does include the burnished 30th anniversary coin with edge lettering.

  53. Buzz Killington says

    I am really enjoying @Ryan’s posts, which are a great reminder that the idea of amassing “wealth” is a more complicated one that it first appears.

    I do, however, take issue with the idea that it would easy to unload 100 ozs. of physical Rhodium if the price were to reach $10K/oz. again. For my own edification, I would be very interested to hear how it would be done, even with difficulty.

    As with Rhodium specifically, the fact that it was once $10K/oz. does seem to put a floor under it, because there will always be people who say “what if that happens again?” I still *vividly* remember thinking that I should put $10K in Sirius stock when it was at 10c, but I lost my nerve, because I thought the market surely knew something I didn’t. I console myself by thinking that if I were a risk-taker to that degree, I probably would have lost back all of my gains on other moves. But how sweet it would have been to multiply my money by 400x (not 400%, but 400 TIMES) on the name of Howard Stern….

  54. Dustyroads says

    Are people still having problems with the Mint website?

    I did have problems yesterday, but they are gone as of now. Everything is visible and smooth at the site.
    Maybe clearing your cookies will help.

  55. Ryan says

    @buzz killington

    It’s a fools errand to try and buy the exact bottom and sell the exact top. My plan is to start selling into strength maybe an ounce a week when it gets over 3k which is over 200% on my money. If it dips lower after that I just would stop selling. If I sell enough to get my initial investment back I can just sit and see what it does knowing that I’m playing with house money or house rhodium

  56. Ryan says

    Because high prices over the long term are usually exceeded in the future it wouldn’t surprise me to see rhodium at 20k per oz sometime in the next 30 years but even if it only got to 3k it still beats a 30 year bond right now

  57. Buzz Killington says

    @Ryan —

    I didn’t understand you to mean that one can perfectly time the market. Selling a small object for $10K is just not that easy, even one a time. It is over the PayPal limit — and even if it wasn’t, what happens when the Buyer claims it wasn’t received? Do I complete this transaction in person, in cash? The idea of that makes me nervous, too. I would be nervous as a buyer, too. I have a pretty good idea of what a real AGE looks like, but it would be easy to sell me fake Rhodium bullion.

    Logistically, it is possible to sell an ounce of metal for $3K, using credit cards and Registered Mail, but that is also not without its risks. As the price goes up, those risks multiply.

    But I do appreciate your posts, and your creative thinking. But I am also interested in the logistics of your plans, in addition to the theory.

  58. Ryan says

    I wouldn’t sell on eBay to a person just to a bullion dealer. Purchases far in excess of 3k are executed every day and precious metals are always liquid buying and selling kilos of gold and 100 oz bars of silver are common place. Rhodium is less liquid than gold or silver but there are always buyers especially when prices are on the rise. I don’t buy precious metals to prepare for some imagined doomsday scenario if that’s what you’re driving at. I never buy precious metals from people on eBay only large dealers. If you look with an extremely long view and think about how much easier it is to buy and sell anything since the rise of the internet, I would think that in the future it will only become easier.

  59. So Krates says

    Just as D Rittenhouse suggested, Michael White doesn’t actually know how the HHL will be applied.

  60. cagcrisp says

    “Household Order Limit includes previous purchases”

    It means those that have ordered before will have to use One of the Multiple accounts previously set up when the Mint went to HHL of 1 for the SLQ.

    Those that want to subvert the HHL will find a way to “Work Around ”

    It makes it harder for some and more determined for others. There will Still be a Lot of buyers that will not get an order in…

  61. cagcrisp says

    The purpose of my above post is for those that are wanting to get a Winged Head Liberty dime today.

    Don’t get lulled into complaincy that because previous orders will NOW be counted against you , that somehow Demand will slack off.

    It Will Not. There STILL will be 10 time as many buyers as coins available and you are STILL going to have website problems and STILL MANY MANY people will get shut out….

  62. cagcrisp says

    Dollar Index hit 14 year High

    Don’t fight the tape. 1 more planned Fed rate increase in 2017 than the market planned and IF Trump gets the fiscal stimulus that Obama didn’t get, the Fed MAY be behind the curve with 3 rate increases.

    One year ago, some of us predicted the price of Gold for 2016. I expected 3 rate increases in 2016. I didn’t expect the expanded negative interest rates worldwide or Brexit. Without those things, at least one more rate increases would have already happened by now.

    Now the rate increases will happen in 2017 IF the economy continues to improve…

  63. A&L Futures says

    SPOT Silver – $16.18
    SPOT Gold – $1,131.70
    SPOT Platinum – $916.30
    SPOT Palladium – $725.00

  64. Buzz Killington says

    @Ryan —

    I was *not* accusing you of being a prepper — far from it. In theory, I know that the logistics for selling physical items is exponentially more difficult than executing electronic trades of securities.

    I have never sold anything to a bullion dealer, but I’ll admit to skepticism about what price they will actually pay, knowing they are the only game in town. APMEX’s published “buy” prices are proviso’ed out of any meaning (only for transactions of over $10K, and only if we need the item).

    Still, I imagine myself with a Halliburton briefcase full of rhodium bars worth $10K each, and thinking how much more convenient it is (though possibly illusory) to own wealth on paper.

    There is no doubt that these transactions have to occur, and I’m sure there are people who do it, and make money. In thinking about it, I am curious about the details of how it works in actual practice.

    As for your predictions of the future, I certainly hope you are right that safer ways to execute transactions of valuable items are developed in time. For now, I am reading about how thieves are drilling through the roofs of strip-mall banks to get into the poorly constructed vaults, and I am less sure that technology will provide all the answers, while I remain hopeful that it can.

  65. data dave says

    For followers of the presidential dollar series, it looks like the Lyndon Johnson P mint will be the lowest of all issues. It has current sales of 2.331M and the next lowest is the Ford P mint at 2.422M. But I believe there is a data problem in that the mint states that the 250 dollar P mint box sold out at 4688 which is 2000+ lower than any other president. Also Johnson is the only issue to sell more D mint than P mint. I think the numbers are wrong and they actually sold another 500K in the P mint 250 dollar boxes. Or maybe someone just stole a bunch of boxes and they don’t want to say that. So with all of that being said, I think the true sales of the Johnson P are closer to 3M.

  66. earthling says

    One has to wonder whether mintage even matters on these Presidential Dollars. The Coins are poorly planned with the ” touch it today – watch it turn brown next week” finish. There may be a few Collectors out there but ultimately I’d say demand will always be far less than the supply.

    Once in a while I spend a few, fresh out of rolls. They do attract attention but probably not enough to inspire anyone to become a buyer.

  67. Ryan says

    Deals on bullion are few and far between today, no desperation by dealers. Maybe they have enough money from Holiday sales of numismatics to hold out and see if better prices come. Last year between Christmas and new years I was able to buy gold at spot on eBay because of the desperation.

  68. says

    @Buzz…APMEX has a minimum “sell to them” of $1000, not $10,000.

    On 12/5 I sold APMEX 2 1oz buffalo bullion coins for $1190 each. There site said their buy price was $1195….I asked about that and was told that price were for purchases by them of over $10,000.

    So wow, I got onlyy $5 less per coin than a $10,000 sell to them. Their listed buy price for random year 1 oz bullion buffaloes is $20 over spot, or $15 over spot sells between $1000 and $9,999.99

    You can’ beat that!

  69. says

    Two days ago we saw the following report at http://mintnewsblog.com/remaining-mercury-dime-2016-centennial-gold-coins-available-for-purchase-on-december-15/#comment-257227

    Mint News Blog says
    DECEMBER 13, 2016 AT 4:01 PM
    @cagcrisp and others, I just heard back from Michael White at the Mint. He wrote, “The Household Order limit of 1 pertains to this re-release of the Mercury Dime Centennial Gold Coin.” (Italics are his.)
    In reply to my specific question, “Will an earlier 2016 order of a gold Mercury commemorative count against one’s household order limit, or can collectors still order one more?” he wrote, “Collectors can still order one more.”

    But then today we find the following note within the Mercury Dime Centennial Gold Coin product page in the Mint’s catalog::
    Household Order Limit includes previous
    purchases of this product

    How is someone like Michael White able to keep his job at the Mint? He could have responded to Mint News Blog request with either nothing or with the promise to look into the matter. Instead, he apparently chose to simply make something up. Unbelievable!

  70. Throckmorton says

    Received my Ft. Moultrie 5 ouncers yesterday. Quality was atrocious. One had numerous “grease” spots. I’ll call it grease but not quite sure. The second coin’s reverse rim has 360 degrees of abrasion (are the still using a file to get the correct weight?). The third appears to have had something in the die because there are several little craters that were struck in to the coin.

    I hope whoever is buying collector items from the USM is looking at them before they salt them away. My theory continues to be that quality has been sacrificed in a rush to fulfill the 2016 production schedule.

  71. Buzz Killington says

    Thank you for sharing your experiences with selling to APMEX. I never tried to sell to them. It is good to know that the $10K buy price is not very different from a real selling price, at least for items that are in demand.

    @Ryan you are totally right about buying frenzies that go on when a price is running up. Everyone knows “buy low, sell high” but it is not put into practice by very many. Patience is the name of the game.

  72. Mint News Blog says

    I’ve emailed Michael White about the discrepancy between the Office of Corp. Communications’ info and the website catalog manager’s info; not sure whether he’ll have a chance to respond before noon. If I were hoping to buy one of these coins, I’d give it a try regardless, since we can’t be sure who has the correct information. Personally speaking, I wouldn’t be in a hurry to cast aspersions on anyone at the Mint — unless someone has inside information, there’s simply no telling where the communication has broken down, and what factors (including budgetary restraints, technological limitations, personalities, outdated policies, and so forth) play a role.

    Side note: As someone mentioned previously, the surest way to get to find a coin is to go to the homepage, click on “Product Schedule,” and scroll down until you get to the coin you want.

  73. gatortreke says

    @MNB

    from https://catalog.usmint.gov (the saved link I use to access the website), a search for 16XB takes me right to the sale page for the WHL coin, seems this save a step in the process, just don’t start at http://www.usmint.gov. I think someone else mentioned this as well.

    If there was truly a change to the HHL policy from what Michael White declared earlier this week, perhaps they read this blog and after due consideration, changed their mind. Who really knows at this point.

  74. data dave says

    So when does the HHL kick in when I try to buy one? When I put it in my cart? When I try to finalize the sale? When they go to ship it? I have never hit the limit before and would like to know how it works.

  75. data dave says

    Also, it would be interesting to find out if those who previously purchased 10 will break the software check because the limit was reduced to 1. Does the software key on billing or shipping address?

  76. says

    It appears to me that the Mint catalog now displays products correctly when choosing any of the subcategories under Shop like, e.g., Coins (by type) or Coin Programs (by name).

  77. Dustyroads says

    Who shut the thread down??

    cagcrisp says- “who is holder of US debt”

    Yes, I know the answer to that, and it has been on my mind for more than a while…

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