Walking Liberty 2016 Centennial Gold Coin: Images, Mintage, and Household Order Limits


The Mint has released images of the Walking Liberty 2016 Centennial gold coin (shown above), and posted the official mintage limit of 70,000 and household order limit of 3 on the website. Pricing is not yet available. The coins (item number 16XA) will be available for purchase on November 17, 2016, at noon.

In other news, the following availability dates have been released: the American Silver Eagle 2016 1-ounce Uncirculated coin will be available on December 1; the Fort Moultrie 2016 quarter dollar three-coin set, December 5; the Fort Moultrie Uncirculated 5-ounce silver coin, December 8; and the annual Uncirculated dollar coin set, December 14.

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  1. DBR says

    Very nice. Looking forward to completing my set but I may have to fight and push my way to order one on opening day of sales to the public. I assume coins are actually sold on that release date and not pre-sold to large, influential vendors and TPG’s first.

    I’d be very disappointed if that was ever confirmed, only because labels on slabbed coins are marketed so shamelessly now and the coin is overshadowed. Just my reaction and observation.

  2. cagcrisp says


    It’s November 1st and we Have a completed product schedule for 2016.

    It’s November 1st and we Should have a completed outlined product schedule for 2017. We don’t necessarily need the exact day but we should have a working outline by month for 2017 offerings…

  3. Mark Rex says

    75 1/4 oz PR Gold Eagles remain in stock.

    in this big meeting with whatever clarify the air for the 2016 anniversary American Silver Eagles could be sold in 2017? Was it even address?

    I haven’t decided yet but I wanted to buy at least three of the walking liberty half dollar gold coin for myself, my four-year-old daughter and my two-year-old son to complete the sets. I think it may be cheaper to buy them on the secondary market graded instead. This could potential he back flyer with a quick sellout and a rise in price quickly.

  4. cagcrisp says


    That’s all I ask for. Run the clock down from 100 to 0…

    Then reset the clock…

  5. Larry says

    I think they should use the reverse that is on the bronze medal in the Regan C&C set on the ASE from now on. It’s time for a change, and I think that would be a good one.
    The gold WLH is tempting, I still think it will be less than the mints price in a year.

  6. Louis Golino, Author says

    CC- At the forum in Philly the Mint did release a list of key products to be issued over the next year broken down by FY quarter. No specific release date but lot more than we knew about 2016.

  7. Brad says


    Judging by the release date of December 14 for the Annual Uncirculated Dollar Coin Set (which contains the “burnished” 2016-W ASE), it appears the Mint does intend to sell the 2016 30th Anniversary Silver Eagles during 2017. There’s no way they would release a product like that one and only sell it for 18 days.

  8. The Real "Cool" Brad says

    “There’s no way they would release a product like that one and only sell it for 18 days.”

    There has been a lot of questionable decisions from the Mint this year, I wouldn’t put it past them.

  9. cagcrisp says

    @IPS_STUFF, You had asked me one time about when to get out of the stock market. I pretty much got out today.

    It’s all about risk/reward and today for ME the risk was too great…

  10. asherspapa says

    Is it certain that the Uncirculated Dollar Coin Set will continue an ASE that is unique to the set (burnished)? I have an enrollment for the UNC ASE and I don’t really want two of them.

  11. asherspapa says

    Also, why is the Gold WLHD smaller than a standard HD. Wasn’t the 2014 Gold Kennedy the same size as a standard HD?

  12. asherspapa says

    That’s what I thought, but I saw others referring to a “burnished” version.

  13. data dave says

    @asherspapa – I think the Mint Uncirculated version is burnished compared to the bullion version. That’s the only reason they can sell it for more than bullion.

  14. .John Q. Coinage says

    Oh Goody Boys Town & the Lion’s Club…..really? Not only does Congress do nothing, they have been authorizing such pointless commems, as with the past, when we get down to 25th Anniv. of Twitter, or like Rotary or 50 Years of VISA Card$ then end will be here…..the WLH is noce, but again @ approx. $1,900 an oz it should be so…..

  15. cagcrisp says

    16AK 2016 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – CMBRLND 18,295 +94
    16AL 2016 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – HARP FRY 17,487 +180
    16AM 2016 ATB SILVER UNC 5 OZ – ROOSEVLT 18,818 + 534

  16. cagcrisp says

    16CF 2016 NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CLAD UNC 17,126 +133
    16CG 2016 NATIONAL PARK SERVICE 3-COIN SET 13,247 + 88

    16CH 2016 MARK TWAIN GOLD PROOF 12,451 +22
    16CJ 2016 MARK TWAIN GOLD UNC 5,363 +5
    16CK 2016 MARK TWAIN SILVER PROOF 73,218 +395
    16CL 2016 MARK TWAIN SILVER UNC 24,734 +167

  17. cagcrisp says

    You have to wonder if last weeks LOW sales number for the Silver proof was recorded properly
    16EA 2016 AM EAGLE SILVER PROOF 1 OZ 435,847 + 11,558

    16EB 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 18,406 +140
    16EC 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ 4,650 + 34
    16ED 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/4 OZ 6,941 + 174
    16EE 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 1/10 OZ 18,289 + 220
    16EF 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD PROOF 4-COIN SET 13,490 +173
    16EH 2016 AM EAGLE GOLD UNC 1 OZ 5,743 + 29

    16EJ 2016 AM EAGLE PLATINUM PROOF 1 OZ 9,152 –

    16EL 2016 AM BUFFALO GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 20,085 + 93

  18. cagcrisp says

    UH10 2016 AMERICAN LIBERTY SILVER MEDAL (S) 12,176 (2)

  19. cagcrisp says

    JQ1 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 2,553 +1
    JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – TRUMAN 1,785 + 4
    JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – EISENHWR 1,873 +2
    JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – KENNEDY 6,303 + 10
    JQ7 2015 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 2,560 –
    JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – JOHNSON 1,686 + 2

    16SA 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – NIXON 2,299 + 3
    16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – NIXON 1,351 + 3
    16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – FORD 2,009 +8
    16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – FORD 1,291 +16
    16SE 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 2,949 +16
    16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 1,597 + 5

  20. cagcrisp says

    Another Dismal sales number for the SLQ

    Another Call to pull the SLQ offering instead of letting it die on the vine like the Gold Kennedy…

  21. earthling says

    The Walking Liberty illustrated up about actually looks good. But imagine how cool it would have been in Silver.

    Next opportunity I get to attend a Coin Show I’ll be getting a slabbed BU SILVER Walking Liberty Half. I always wanted one of those.

    Don’t need no Gold ones. 👽

  22. Sturgeon says

    “Not only does Congress do nothing, they have been authorizing such pointless commems”—-

    John–Really nothing to do with the worthiness of the design—It’s all politics as usual—If the coin can shovel premium money back into the sponsoring members district–It’s full steam ahead

  23. Hawkster says

    I’m not sure, Earthling, what you mean about imagining how cool the Walking Liberty would be in silver, as it was made in silver from 1916 – 1947. No need to imagine, just pick up a reasonably priced BU example from the 40’s.

  24. cagcrisp says

    I see where some of you guys favorite Mint has teamed up with a TPG to offer “The World’s first-ever gold & silver football shaped coin”

    Limited to 550 gold coins

    Another reason I don’t buy from this Mint

    Enjoy your Low Mintage Wonders…

  25. earthling says


    I mean if this current ( or soon to be ) “tribute” had been struck in Silver, instead of Gold. I remember getting Walkers as a kid so they are familiar to me in Silver circulated form . I do plan to go to a Coin Show soon so hopefully I’ll be able to find a nice slabbed BU or maybe even a Proof. While I’m at it I might also get a bunch of circulated SLQ’s. The SLQ’s I’d get as a Kid , were always dateless. Being so familiar with circulated Walkers and Mercs I don’t need any of those.

  26. Louis Golino, Author says

    Dusty beat me to it, Goat. That eBay coin was overpriced by $300. APMEX and other dealers have the proofs too for only a little more. I got a 1/4 oz proof for $380, which is a bullion price. I will probably cover this topic at the end of the week in my weekly column at CoinWorld.com with more info.

  27. Louis Golino, Author says

    If anyone sees good deals on 2017 Pandas, please let us know. I am aware of SD Bullion, BSAGC, and Panda America so far, but others will also have pre-orders soon (maybe at higher prices depending on what happens on Tues.).

  28. Louis Golino, Author says

    I don’t begrudge anyone who likes the RCM football and similar coins if they enjoy them. Let them have fun, and some of those unusual coins have held their values. I just have different tastes as sports is not my thing, and thankfully the kind of unusual coins I like tend to do very well (space, astronomy, etc. and some others). Like the new artificial intelligence coin, which is great.

  29. Hawkster says

    O.K., Earthling. Thanks. I assume you would have liked to see the centennial Walker struck in 99.9 silver (as the American Silver Eagles are). The vintage, circulating Walkers were, as I’m sure you know, struck in 90% silver. And they were surely very impressive coins. Back in the early 60’s, I received a relatively rare 1921 Walker as cafeteria change.

  30. Louis Golino, Author says

    I think the new RCM coin that uses glow in the dark tech to show what Canada looks like from space is pretty cool in fact.

  31. Teach says

    @cagcrisp – I don’t think anyone (THE MINT) is listening concerning your comments about pulling the SLQ. I still 100% agree with you, it should have happened already. I hope it sells out before the Reagan C&C set……only another 118 K.

  32. cagcrisp says

    @Teach, At last weeks Sales pace the Reagan C&C set will sell out in 29 weeks.

    At last weeks Sales pace the SLQ will sell out in 53 weeks…

  33. earthling says

    Rats. Why do they hold Coin Shows on Black Friday ? I can work Black Friday and get 3XPay. That’s obscene money especially if I do a 12 hr shift.

    So do I make monster money or take the day off and buy some Coins?


    maybe flip a coin ?

    Who am I kidding? I’ll work and just buy a cool coin from CRO. 👌

  34. Erik H says

    So we finally have our answer on the availability of sales of the 2016 ASE into 2017, “yes we can”.

  35. datadave says

    @cagcrisp – In reference to the ASE proof sales, last weeks numbers must have included all the initial returns as an offset. That would be another improvement the mint could make by listing returns separately than sales. As mentioned before on this blog, there always is a sales adjustment at about the 4-5 week mark after initial release.

  36. cagcrisp says

    @datadave, Agree Completely. The timing would be just right for the non-70’s to be returned.
    Agree Completely that I wish there was a mechanism to separate gross sales from net sales. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for that to happen though.

    With the New implemented sales and production report we have taken a step backwards because we No longer have the ability to have accumulative sales numbers over a span of months or years.

    Less transparency vs. more transparency…

  37. cagcrisp says

    New clock for Gold starts tomorrow. As the polls tighten, Gold moves up…
    …and the stock market drops…

  38. says

    That preliminary 2017 product schedule for the 1st quarter mentioned the unc silver eagle, but not individual proof silver eagle. Of course, it will still be available in the Limited Edition Silver Proof set & the Reagan C & C set. I wonder it that was just an oversight?

  39. Blair J. Tobler says

    @ Steve – It’s 1st quarter of fiscal year 2017, which translates to 4th quarter 2016 calendar year.

  40. Blair J. Tobler says

    @ cagcrisp and others – I completely understand your wanting the mint to pull the plug on the SLQ, but even selling only 383 units, it amounts to $180,000 in sales for one week. I just can’t see them pulling the plug, especially when it’s product already produced and sitting on a shelf.

  41. cagcrisp says

    @Blair J. Tobler, I understand that thinking and I agree that the Mint will not pull the plug AT THIS TIME. They WILL pull the plug at some time, because it will never sell out at 100,000.

    The problem I have with the analysis of the $180,000 weekly sales for the SLQ is it does not take into account all the Lost sales on the WLH (and future offerings) because of no positive secondary market for the SLQ.

    In my opinion the drop of 1,200,000 customers to 500,000 can be attributed to the fact we have been in a 5 year bear market for precious metals and there just have not been that many Mint items to make money on.

    With disposable income diminishing , those older people that have disposable income are decreasing and gimmicks will not work. You have to have a positive secondary market and the lack of SLQ sales will bleed over into the WLH.

    IF the SLQ had been offered at 100,000 with a HHL of 10 they would have been long sold out from the website and the WLH would have been a Launch day sell out with a mintage of 70,000 with a HHL of 3.

    There is No way to quantify the monetary effect, however, there will be a material affect on the WLH sales because of the SLQ.

    It has already happened. To what extent is yet to be determined.

    Proper mintage and household limits do matter to the Mint or it would not have been a major topic at the just concluded summit.

    The Mint just needs to man up to their mistake, cut their losses, and move on.

    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix, IF it is broke, fix it…

  42. Blair J. Tobler says

    Cag, I think the damage is already done as far as this release is concerned, so it seems to me the Mint won’t lose anything by keeping them on sale. I don’t believe killing it now will help the results for the WLH, especially with it’s fairly high mintage limit. I do agree they have to come up with a better scheme for mintages, HHL’s, release windows, etc. Their current method of blindfolding themselves and throwing a dart at the wall to see where it sticks obviously is working too well.

  43. cagcrisp says

    @Blair J. Tobler, I can’t say I disagree with anything you have said. The only thing I am saying is that under your approach the SLQ has no chance and if the Mint was to pull the SLQ it would have a Slim chance.

    My guess is the Mint will pull the SLQ within the next 10,000 sales. SO…we are talking $4.8 million in revenue and maybe a million in profit.

    I would think keeping the SLQ on sale (and other offerings that should have been pulled) will Eventually cost the Mint more than that, however, there is no way to quantify my beliefs.

    The Mint is Losing customers and since Gold/Silver is driving the bus, that is where the Mint needs to concentrate their efforts…

  44. achmed says

    same thing happens in Germany where prices for upcoming gold coins are fixed about 4-5 month before the real release date. Gold is going up and after the fixing it goes down. We do our orders about 4-5 months in advance and have to buy what we ordered. If price of gold goes down bad for us buyers. And gold NEVER was more expensive after that 4-5 months period. So no risk for the german mints (A,D,F,G,J)

  45. cagcrisp says

    Gold broke $1,300.00.

    Clock starts tomorrow. Can’t see Anything happening between now and Election that would cause it to drop below the $1,300.00 mark.

    SO…Even though the clock doesn’t start till tomorrow, I see the WLH now being priced at $915.00. The election could send it Much higher.

    At $915.00, a 70 grade will be even on the low end a $1,000.00 coin. With the History of the last 5 years it’s hard to buy a $1,000.00 1/2 coin and think you’re going to make money.

    You would be Much ahead just buying GLD or SLV…

  46. Goat says

    @ Dustyroads, Louis;

    Thanks, sometimes I get blinders on and don’t think, what a combination. Louis if you know the mintage’s could you let us know. MNB has many assets, again thanks to you both.

  47. Louis Golino, Author says

    Goat- for the BU gold Libs we won’t know for a while, but for the proofs the authorized max is 2100, including 500 in 5-piece sets and up to 1600 individual, which does not mean for sure there will be that many.

  48. says

    I realize my money could better spent on other gold coin/bullion, than on the WLH. But I have proof/unc gold eagles/buffalo’s, pre 1933 $20 Gauldens,/Liberty as well as Indian Head coins. I have $1, $2.5, $5 and $10 pre 1933 gold.

    But I don’t have a gold WLH, so I will but at least one because I want one and plan to keep it regardless of where gold may be 5 years from now.
    And as I said before, I may buyy two from the Mint, or wait a buy a NGC SP70 down the road for my second WLH.

    But yes, it seems likely, or at least possible, we will be above $1300 gold on November 17.

  49. says

    I got an email from APMEX….as I’m sure many of you do regarding a flash sale that ends at 4pm eat today ((I mention this because sometimes I miss these sales).

    Anyway, the sale is for a silver Libertad 5 oz bullion coin for $29.99/coin over spot…current prices are $123.70/check or $128.95 visit cc.
    And these have a mintage limit of 11,400….and include a capsule….so if you like these coins, it sounds like a pretty good deal.

    The only thing about this offer that is negative, is that you are limited to buy only 100 coins….dang

    For those of you interested in the Fort Moultrie 5 oz bullion, bayprecious metals on ebay has the best price….by cc…, but still about the same as JM Bullion via check. I bought one for $111.90 on ebay yesterday…now they are $113.43…..but this is a limited time offer by bayprecious metals, and will go up about $4 once this dell ends.

    But who knows if now is the time to buy as prices are rising every day, or should one wait?

  50. says

    @Dusty thanks…I used to own several Libertad proof sets in a wooden box, 1000 mintage And numbered coa.

    Sold them a couple of years ago.

    I did hold on to a 2009 5 oz proof…mintage of 5000.

  51. Dustyroads says

    Steve, You’re welcome. I’m guessing the Banco De Mexico is upping it’s output this year for all their products. 2013 and 2014 were better years for low mintage’s.

  52. gatortreke says


    Just want to say I just finished reading the last two parts in Moy series and wanted to thank you, enjoyed the insight into the behind the scenes operation of the USM.

  53. joe#2 says

    Sorry i didn’t purchase the gold enterprise coin from star trek when mcm ran that quick special. oh well. Now they offering over $5200 for 1 ounce gold enterprise coin, 1 5 ounce silver enterprise coin and the 1 ouncer. all ngc 70’s..

  54. cagcrisp says

    @johnas “one gold half sold on ebay per sale for 1250.00”

    Look at what Pre-Sale Standing Liberty quarter sold for on the bay vs. what it sells for currently on the bay…

  55. Old Big Bird says

    Someone a few weeks back stated that the Unc “S” ATB quarters for 2016 Shawnee was going to go over 1,000,000. At this point I do not think any of the 2016 ATB Unc “S” will ever go over 1,000,000. Of course we never really know how many the MINT produced, for they will not give out production/mintage numbers. They only get out sales and you need a Freedom of Information Act to try and get mintage numbers.

    Just look at the 2015 mint and proof sets, they are still selling them. Even 2010 ATB Unc sets!

    At about 79,000+ sales on the SLQ, they will continue to sell them all the way through 2017.

    A bigger loser if the 2016 $1 Coin & Currency set which is sitting at 41,597 which is pitiful at best.

    Just some idle thought based on today’s sales numbers

  56. Dustyroads says

    Old Big Bird, If you’re referring to the “circulation quality” “S” AtB quarters, I have the mintage’s and would be happy to post them.

  57. Mint News Blog says

    @Goat, @Dustyroads — Here’s where I make a shameless plug for the Whitman Encyclopedia of Mexican Money, volume 2, which covers modern coinage (including Libertads and their mintages: https://goo.gl/NUUWHV). The author is Don Bailey, who of course owns the site you linked to. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

    (P.S. — I don’t plan to drop in on your conversations with book plugs, as a rule. I just happen to have a very soft spot for Don and Lois Bailey, and for this encyclopedia series.)


    Sometimes I do not know which is worse gold, and silver prices or regular coins. I was looking to purchase rolls of JFK half dollars for my children, but with a markup of 60% forget it. This makes bullion a better purchase.

  59. says

    @johnaz….are you referring to the WLH Gold? When I do a search on “2016 gold walking liberty half”, I only see seven auctions with one sold on 10/30 for $1255…boy, did he Overpay!

    One seller currently has 4 available at $1010 or best offer and he has not sold any. And these have been on sell for over a week.

    The lack of interest in pre-sales says don’t expect to make money on these coins….of course things could change if a quick sellout happens.

    I only bought one SLQ as the HHL and mintage doomed it.

    But I did well on the dime….pre-sales were crazy….and about 10 days before release, I pre-sold nine coins for $320 each….I bet they hate me now.

    But pre-sales are sometimes a good indication of interest….and pre-sales for the WLH are about as lackluster as any coin I’ve seen. No profit here unless an unexpected quick sellout.

    It will be interesting to see where gold/silver prices go this month….and what to expect from prices next year….buy now or wait. My strategy is both…buy some now and some later…i.e. dollar cost averaging

    Good luck to all.

    So again, this is an overpriced coin, but if you like it….go for it

  60. Dustyroads says

    Steve, Thanks to posters here, here you will be able to see in real time if a sell out is going to happen. If it does happen, you can act.

  61. Louis Golino, Author says

    joe#2- the best star trek coin is the silver delta and it is under $100. comes in a great presentation/display case too.

  62. says

    Well I thank everyone for their comments… Interesting that gold droped back down to under $1300… $1297.50

    And silver dropped from a high of $18.82 to $18.47….markets will open again in about 1 minute

  63. Mint News Blog says

    The 1-ounce platinum Proof Eagle recently got a price increase from $1,300 to $1,350, even though it’s unavailable. I wonder if that means they’re about to release the 850 or so remaining in its mintage limit — or maybe they’re adjusting the price for form’s sake, based on recent bullion values, even though they don’t intend to issue any more? I’ll be interested to know what you seasoned market-watchers think. — Diana

  64. Throckmorton says

    Speaking of low mintage wonders………I just picked up a 2015 Swiss Shooting Medal, mintage of 1,200.

  65. cagcrisp says

    @Mint News Blog , That ‘s normal operating procedures for the Mint. It doesn’t matter whether a coin is unavailable or not, If the grid pricing changes, the mint’s website changes on Wednesday…

  66. says

    @Diana…great observation. But my opinion is the Platinum proof will not go on sell again. The Mint also updates the price of the gold diime….they will not go back on sell either.

    Anyway, that’ just my opinion….but I’d be pleasantly surprised if the Proof platinum went back on sell…,but, it will not happen.

  67. data dave says

    @Old Big Bird – In response to your Shawnee S quarter comment, I currently have it at 988K, it sold 2K last week and probably has about 20 weeks left. I think it will make it to 1M. I think the low mark might be Cumberland which is only at 928K right now and sold 3K last week. It will be close with that one. I still think the Mint should release any of the extras into circulation and do it in a way that spreads them around the country, like a handful per huge bag that they ship to the major distribution points.

  68. cagcrisp says

    New Gold clock starts Today.

    AM Fix is $1,293.00

    Currently Gold is around $1,287.00

    Parliament is going to have to vote on Brexit.

    Both of these are trending in the right direction (For Me)…

  69. 1958 Chevrolet Bel Air says

    It would have been nice if the mint made this in silver and it would havelooked nice if a silver one was graded MS70 and also the mint should have made clad ones for general circulation.

  70. data dave says

    OT – Possible new low mintage for silver proof sets. The 2012 has the crown right now with 395K. 2015 is sitting at 381K with 9 weeks left (assuming they take it off the site on 12/31/2016). In addition 2012 had an extra 45K LESPS sold but 2015 has no LESPS at all. 2016 sets are at 300K and will probably come close to these same levels. I wouldn’t really push proof sets, but sales of the silver set seem to be holding up better than the regular set. The other thing you get with this 2015 set is possibly the lowest mintage of the Presidential proof dollars.

  71. Old Big Bird says

    @Dustyroads – I to have been collecting the mintages of the Unc “S” ATB that are only sold in rolls from the mint going back to 2012, and the P&D back to 2010. As of 10/31/16 These are just a few of the items that I have tracked in my spreadsheets for years.

    2016 Shawnee 988,280
    2016 Cumberland 927,940
    2016 Harpers Ferry 913,260
    2016 Roosevelt 842,100

    So it is my opinion that none of the 2016 Unc “S” ATB quarters will hit the 1,000,000 mark.

    2012 was the best year with an average of approximately 1,400,000. And the numbers have been getting lower and lower each new ATB quarter that comes out.

    Of course that is if the US Mint is not sitting on a pile of ATB “S” rolls. You can not get a good mintage number from them. But thanks for the offer to supply the figures.

  72. Goat says

    @Diana @Dustyroads;

    Yes to the Whitman Encyclopedia Of Mexican Money. I have volume 1 and 2 , with volume 3 on reserve. Very well put together.

    Dustyroads I also use, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertad_(coin) , little easier for a quick view of a year/size. Current year info is much needed. Since year 2000, any gold (proof/unc) is scarce and proof silver could fall into that statement as well if people flood to that market someday .

  73. Old Big Bird says

    @data dave – Yes in October they sold 11,700 with October 9th being the biggest week of 6,640. But with all of the last minute items up for sale based on the Mints schedule and many of them being larger dollar items sales on other lower priced items might suffer. The only thing making these quarter unique is the fact that they are not in general circulation and anyone wanting a full set will have to go shopping for them.

    I do understand your point thought it might generate more interest

  74. Dustyroads says

    Old Big Bird, I have to admit, I don’t keep track of monthly sales for the quarters, only the figures when they are going to be removed. I have been wondering if these would ever see below the million mark, looks like they’re headed in that direction.

  75. Mint News Blog says

    @Goat — Glad to hear it, and I’ll be sure to pass your kudos along to the Baileys. Volume 3 is well underway; in addition to being a good all-around book, it’s going to have some juicy images that haven’t previously been published elsewhere. What are your thoughts on products like coin folders for Mexican coins — is there enough of a market in the U.S. for a new line of them?

  76. says

    Just read that the Mint is contemplating producing a 225th anniversary four piece American Liberty Silver Medal Set in late 2017, with four different finishes from all four production facilities.. Probable mintage would be double that of the 2016 medal

    Also they might produce a 2018 Reverse Proof set from the San Francisco mint

    Anyone else seen this story,thanks

  77. data dave says

    ATB P Puck Sales by Year:

    2010 – 133.947 K
    2011 – 99.300 K
    2012 – 79.526 K
    2013 – 99.378 K
    2014 – 128.430 K
    2015 – 93.068 K
    2016 – 90.881 K (current sales plus 17.5K for Fort Moultrie)

    Excluding 2010 (first year hype) and 2014 (subscription discount) and 2012 (low year due to high prices), gives you 4 data points in the 90K range. Sales have fallen some, but so have most Mint sales during that time. Hard to tell what might happen during the last 4 years of the program and whether the Mint can keep the price premium reasonable.

  78. .John Q. Coinage says

    I am not sure the “S” mint ATBs will ever have a real jump in value. I have for YEARS got BU rolls @ the bank, but of late, no one wants them, no one cares about them, and the S mint stuff is for collectors, who bought from the USM if they wanted some. I still buy & got the TR 25c from SF, why I do not know. Dealers offer $25 or $26 for a bag of the$e. Quite surprising TR bullion puck has not sold more. They Pucks had picked up a bit of late but stagnant metals prices create no incentive, end of the year duldroms?? Election nervousness? Wait a few days…..our best choices are 2 like 70 years old`s….w0w

  79. The Real "Cool" Brad says

    Wily, at the numismatic forum they mentioned this set in their slides. They recently released slides to all participants and the new slides did not show the four medal set. At least I could not find them. This makes me think that maybe they are reconsidering this set.

  80. cagcrisp says

    @data dave, “2012 (low year due to high prices)” . Actually 2012 prices were much cheaper than 2010 prices. All 2010 P pucks were launched at $279.95 and the first 4 pucks in 2012 were launched at $204.95 and the 5th was launched at $229.95.

    Here is the same ‘data’ spun a completely different way:

    Gross revenue by P puck per yearly Launch:

    2010 $37,498,462.65
    2011 $23,179,760.00
    2012 $16,679,478.70
    2013 $16,354,546.10
    2014 $18,261,909.50 (assuming subscription discount)
    2015 $13,955,546.60
    2016 $13,547,682.60 (assuming your 17.5 guesstimate)

    SO…from my point of view ( with the exception of the first 4 offerings in 2014) gross revenue has declined with lowering of prices.

    ATB P puck sales are the text book case of price inelasticity. P puck prices have fallen 46% from 2010 (All 2010 P pucks were sold in 2011) and yet with the price Drop, actual raw coin sales have dropped also.

    What you want is what happens with bullion ASE’s. Bullion ASE’s gross revenues have Increased as prices have decreased.

    Bullion ASE’s have moved in a positive direction and P pucks have moved in a negative direction…

  81. cagcrisp says

    Competitive market for Third Party Graders…

    Collectors Universe Inc., (CLCT) . . It offers independent coin authentication and grading services under the Professional Coin Grading Service brand (PCGS)…

    CLCT just released results of Q1 FY17 that ended September 30th 2016.

    Here are some of my observations. Some in ” “are from the just released 10-Q.

    1. Stock has decreased approximately 26% in the past 3 months. Currently $16.62 down 8.53% Today.
    2. Net income for Q1 FY17 is $1,581,000, down $350,000 Q1 FY17 vs. Q1 FY16
    3. “A lower average service fee earned on the authentication and grading of moderns coins, arising from our previously disclosed more competitive and focused marketing programs for modern coins, that we introduced in January 2016”
    4. “Five of our coin authentication and grading customers accounted, in the aggregate, for approximately 14% of our total net revenues in both the three months ended September 30, 2016 and 2015.”
    5. “Authentication and grading fees accounted for approximately 86% of our service revenues in the three months ended September 30, 2016. The amount of those fees and our gross profit margins are primarily driven by the volume and mix of coin and collectibles sales and purchase transactions by collectibles dealers and collectors, because our authentication and grading services generally facilitate sales and purchases of coins and other high value collectibles by providing dealers and collectors with a high level of assurance as to the authenticity and quality of the collectibles they seek to sell or buy. Consequently, dealers and collectors most often submit coins and other collectibles to us for authentication and grading at those times when they are in the market to sell or buy coins and the other high-value collectibles, that we authenticate and grade.”
    6. Coin revenue increased +$658,000 (7.1%) from corresponding Q1 2016 vs. Q1 2015
    7. Actual coins units processed +166,300(38.4% ) from corresponding Q1 2016 vs. Q1 2015
    8. “The net increase in coin authentication and grading fees of $879,000 in the three months ended September 30, 2016 reflected (i) increased world coin fees of $689,000 or 59.7%, which includes a $342,000 or 65% increase in coins fees earned from our operation in China; (ii) increased coin trade show fees of $194,000 or 9.2%, reflecting revenues from one show that straddled the fourth quarter of fiscal 2016 and the first quarter of fiscal 2017; (iii) increased vintage fees of $111,000 or 3.5% and (iv) lower modern coins revenues $115,000 or 5.1% reflecting a 29% increase in the number of modern units authenticated and graded in this year’s first quarter at a lower average service fee, arising from our previously disclosed more competitive and focused marketing programs for our modern coin business, that we introduced in January 2016.”

    My conclusion: Coin margins are getting Squeezed. Revenue increased $658,000 whereas coins processed increase 166,300…

  82. says

    @cagcrisp….thanks for the info on PCGS.

    While they said their top 5 customers accounted for 14% of net revenue, I would of thought it would of been 25-30%.

  83. earthling says

    Rhodium is not an easy metal to make Coins from. No Mint has ever done it, unless on a very small trial basis. If the US Mint would crank out a few Rhodium Coins, I’d be in line, with a smile.

    Need press? Do the Rhodium.

  84. Peter says

    Regarding the mixed results from CLCT. As a customer (and a stockholder) I have expressed serious concerns to them regarding their lack of respect towards small collectors in favor of their bigger customers.
    Their favoritism towards the big guys leaves us small guys feeling 2nd rate. They do it at shows when you submit, and it continues in the form of much slower turn times.
    If they want to continue to grow their business, they need to be more even-handed in their customer relations.

  85. Fred762 says

    Why not just go ahead and return to 90% silver and 22 karat gold coinage….and of course silver and gold certificates, [redeemable at face value in silver/gold]…like we used to have> Worked well for 150 years.

  86. Silver Savior says

    I think the coin is beautiful but I just can’t see paying these prices for gold when I can get so much more silver that ironically is more rare for investment than gold and is used up in industry.

  87. So Krates says

    earthling says, “Rhodium is not an easy metal to make Coins from. No Mint has ever done it…”

    VERY few people will buy a coin made from Rhodium. WAY less than will buy Palladium which the study commissioned and ignored by the US Mint concluded would be a fiscal loser.

    Baird & Co. Mint makes a variety of sizes of Rh bars. I think Pamp Suisse also makes a 1 oz Rhodium bar.

    The Cohen Mint made Rh coins for years but I believe they closed a few years ago due to the owner’s health. They can still be found on the secondary market.

    If you are considering Rh as an investment, FIRST I would make sure you are completely set with all the gold, silver, platinum and palladium you need. Then if you still have a burning to desire to be in this ultra-thin/wide spread market then buy a few 1 oz. Baird bars.

  88. Gary Lane says

    Just a bit off topic. I am quite curious as to why the Kennedy half dollar was 3/4oz and the new Liberty half dollar is only a 1/2oz? It would seem to me they should be the same.
    Thank you

  89. Gary Lane says

    I guess my post did not make it out there. My question is why is the WLH only a 1/2 oz of gold whereas the Kennedy half was 3/4 oz? The same half dollar coin with 1/4 oz less gold. I will be purchasing one as the dime and quarter both graded SP 70 ultra proof. I am hoping the half does the same. But I still don’t understand why the Kennedy half is still is 3/4 oz and the LHD is only a 1/2 oz. can anyone explain this tome please?
    Gary Lane

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